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	<title>Comments on: Rafael Furcal on injured elbow: &#8220;It&#8217;s not getting better&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: gostlcards5</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 22:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Defensively, I think he has been above average at worst since coming in the end of 2011.  Admittedly, I do NOT know anything about Furcal&#039;s defensive numbers, so the stats could prove me wrong on this, but I am not sure I would say his defense has been &quot;awful&quot; since he came to StL.  I watch a lot of games, and maybe I&#039;m only going by the &quot;eye test&quot;, but I have watched him make plays and have arm strength going to 1B that average MLB shortstops don&#039;t/can&#039;t.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Defensively, I think he has been above average at worst since coming in the end of 2011.  Admittedly, I do NOT know anything about Furcal&#8217;s defensive numbers, so the stats could prove me wrong on this, but I am not sure I would say his defense has been &#8220;awful&#8221; since he came to StL.  I watch a lot of games, and maybe I&#8217;m only going by the &#8220;eye test&#8221;, but I have watched him make plays and have arm strength going to 1B that average MLB shortstops don&#8217;t/can&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: stlouis1baseball</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 16:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;You can’t make someone have surgery! Shesus, talk about unreasonable employer demands.&quot;
I understand this.  I also feel if I am paying a dude millions upon millions nothing short of &quot;personal favors&quot; is unreasonable.  After all...who signs the checks?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You can’t make someone have surgery! Shesus, talk about unreasonable employer demands.&#8221;<br />
I understand this.  I also feel if I am paying a dude millions upon millions nothing short of &#8220;personal favors&#8221; is unreasonable.  After all&#8230;who signs the checks?</p>
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		<title>By: stlouis1baseball</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stlouis1baseball]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 16:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not crazy.  Just frustrated with the &quot;wait and see approach they are taking.&quot;  Working out wonderfully.  As for Pete Kozma...what the hell?  Is he a family member?  LOL!
Dude played admirably for 5 or 6 hugely critical minutes.  I thank him for that.
Now...we will get a taste for a full season.  As I stated...happy...happy...joy...joy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not crazy.  Just frustrated with the &#8220;wait and see approach they are taking.&#8221;  Working out wonderfully.  As for Pete Kozma&#8230;what the hell?  Is he a family member?  LOL!<br />
Dude played admirably for 5 or 6 hugely critical minutes.  I thank him for that.<br />
Now&#8230;we will get a taste for a full season.  As I stated&#8230;happy&#8230;happy&#8230;joy&#8230;joy.</p>
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		<title>By: okwhitefalcon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[okwhitefalcon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 16:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lots of Furcal talk from Joe Strauss on the Morning After radio show today, good stuff.

Scroll to Segment 2, listen here:

http://www.insidestl.com/insideSTLcom/RadioShows/TheMorningAfter/tabid/88/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/10213/Mondays-Show-Audio---The-Weekend-That-Was-Locally.aspx]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of Furcal talk from Joe Strauss on the Morning After radio show today, good stuff.</p>
<p>Scroll to Segment 2, listen here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.insidestl.com/insideSTLcom/RadioShows/TheMorningAfter/tabid/88/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/10213/Mondays-Show-Audio---The-Weekend-That-Was-Locally.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.insidestl.com/insideSTLcom/RadioShows/TheMorningAfter/tabid/88/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/10213/Mondays-Show-Audio&#8212;The-Weekend-That-Was-Locally.aspx</a></p>
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		<title>By: okwhitefalcon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[okwhitefalcon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 16:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All the organization can do is suggest a path of rehab/surgery to the player, it&#039;s the players call on getting (or not getting) cut on or not.

As for the Kozma-naut and everything he&#039;s done thus far in his 6 year career (less a few weeks in September last year does) it does point in the direction of a &quot;giant ball of suckiness&quot;.

I&#039;m pulling for him for sure I just think it&#039;s going to be a massive case of overexposure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the organization can do is suggest a path of rehab/surgery to the player, it&#8217;s the players call on getting (or not getting) cut on or not.</p>
<p>As for the Kozma-naut and everything he&#8217;s done thus far in his 6 year career (less a few weeks in September last year does) it does point in the direction of a &#8220;giant ball of suckiness&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pulling for him for sure I just think it&#8217;s going to be a massive case of overexposure.</p>
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		<title>By: historiophiliac</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 15:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Are you crazy?  You can&#039;t make someone have surgery!  Shesus, talk about unreasonable employer demands.  And, lay off Kozma.  He&#039;s young, and he&#039;s not a giant ball of suckiness or anything.  You could have much worse to work with.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you crazy?  You can&#8217;t make someone have surgery!  Shesus, talk about unreasonable employer demands.  And, lay off Kozma.  He&#8217;s young, and he&#8217;s not a giant ball of suckiness or anything.  You could have much worse to work with.</p>
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		<title>By: stlouis1baseball</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 14:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This situation is alreaady pissing me off.  Dude should have had the surgery.  We discussed this on HBT previously.  And now...look.  I get that Furcal only has what....2...maybe 3 decent years left.  I understand he would lose an entire season.  Now he is going to lose this season AND it&#039;s going to linger into next year.  Why the hell didn&#039;t the Cardinals brass make the call?  Why was it Furcal?  If I am paying a dude...he works for me.  He is going to do what I feel is in the best interest of the team.  And surgery was in the best interest.  Bad decision by everyone involved. 
Now?  Pete Kozma! 
Happy...Happy...Joy...Joy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This situation is alreaady pissing me off.  Dude should have had the surgery.  We discussed this on HBT previously.  And now&#8230;look.  I get that Furcal only has what&#8230;.2&#8230;maybe 3 decent years left.  I understand he would lose an entire season.  Now he is going to lose this season AND it&#8217;s going to linger into next year.  Why the hell didn&#8217;t the Cardinals brass make the call?  Why was it Furcal?  If I am paying a dude&#8230;he works for me.  He is going to do what I feel is in the best interest of the team.  And surgery was in the best interest.  Bad decision by everyone involved.<br />
Now?  Pete Kozma!<br />
Happy&#8230;Happy&#8230;Joy&#8230;Joy.</p>
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		<title>By: denny65</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 07:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey, Cards, you can have the Mariners&#039; Brendan Ryan (he came up through your organization, after all). No, really, you can have him back.  Cheap.  No, wait, the Ms will pay you! 

Of course, you don&#039;t expect him to actually, you know, hit, do you? He&#039;s a g-o-o-d shortstop, really, wide ranging and all that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Cards, you can have the Mariners&#8217; Brendan Ryan (he came up through your organization, after all). No, really, you can have him back.  Cheap.  No, wait, the Ms will pay you! </p>
<p>Of course, you don&#8217;t expect him to actually, you know, hit, do you? He&#8217;s a g-o-o-d shortstop, really, wide ranging and all that.</p>
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		<title>By: swmocardsfan</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 03:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@jwbiii, you are correct.  Rest and rehab was the plan from the beginning...however the type of injury he had is the injury that the Tommy John surgery has proven successful in repairing, and it was ignored.  Like I said, I respect Furcal&#039;s choice to decline surgery, but there has to be a plan B in a situation like this if St. Louis expects to contend again in the NL.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@jwbiii, you are correct.  Rest and rehab was the plan from the beginning&#8230;however the type of injury he had is the injury that the Tommy John surgery has proven successful in repairing, and it was ignored.  Like I said, I respect Furcal&#8217;s choice to decline surgery, but there has to be a plan B in a situation like this if St. Louis expects to contend again in the NL.</p>
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		<title>By: okwhitefalcon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[okwhitefalcon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 03:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mo obviously thinks Cedeno is a better insurance policy than anything they&#039;ve got in house which is scary at best, I think we&#039;re in for a heavy dose of he and Kozma for the time being.

The Furcal signing never really bugged me too much, it&#039;s hardly a crippler contractually and was a calculated risk but it sucks it&#039;s that it looks like they&#039;ll have to eat the remainder.

Between he and Carpenter they&#039;re looking at around 20 million bones - or about 17+ % of their payroll going to non contributors.

The Cards definitely have issues, beyond the middle infield quandary (although excited about the kids) I&#039;m still not sold on their starting pitching - too much unknown and alot of fragility.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mo obviously thinks Cedeno is a better insurance policy than anything they&#8217;ve got in house which is scary at best, I think we&#8217;re in for a heavy dose of he and Kozma for the time being.</p>
<p>The Furcal signing never really bugged me too much, it&#8217;s hardly a crippler contractually and was a calculated risk but it sucks it&#8217;s that it looks like they&#8217;ll have to eat the remainder.</p>
<p>Between he and Carpenter they&#8217;re looking at around 20 million bones &#8211; or about 17+ % of their payroll going to non contributors.</p>
<p>The Cards definitely have issues, beyond the middle infield quandary (although excited about the kids) I&#8217;m still not sold on their starting pitching &#8211; too much unknown and alot of fragility.</p>
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		<title>By: rmfp1978</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 01:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And I agree with a lot of stuff you post people have difference of opinion sometimes dont mean you have to come off like a tough guy. As far as holliday goes he does out perform his contract in the regular season idk his stats in the post season im sure you guys know them nothing standa out for me as memorable but thats not even my beef w him. He just lost me when he was complaining about the scheduling last season before they played the mets and then the next two days he was out with mysterious back problems. I get it your tired take a break and this might be the organizations fault but it seems like everytime he has an injury they say its just a minor problem like his thumb and then hes off for a significant amout of time and dont bring up how fast he returned from his apendectomy because thats what the media does &quot;ive never seen a player return that fast after having an appendix removed&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I agree with a lot of stuff you post people have difference of opinion sometimes dont mean you have to come off like a tough guy. As far as holliday goes he does out perform his contract in the regular season idk his stats in the post season im sure you guys know them nothing standa out for me as memorable but thats not even my beef w him. He just lost me when he was complaining about the scheduling last season before they played the mets and then the next two days he was out with mysterious back problems. I get it your tired take a break and this might be the organizations fault but it seems like everytime he has an injury they say its just a minor problem like his thumb and then hes off for a significant amout of time and dont bring up how fast he returned from his apendectomy because thats what the media does &#8220;ive never seen a player return that fast after having an appendix removed&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: saints97</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 01:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the four years prior to Minnesota putting Hardy on the trading block, Hardy averaged 128 games per season and he was 28. In the four years prior to St. Louis giving Furcal $13 million for two years, he had average 92 games per season and was 34. 

And if you are comparing their defense, then, again, I am speaking different languages. They are not even close.

Over their careers, Furcal has a slight edge offensively, but it is not the gap you apparently think it is.

You guys can cherry-pick Furcal&#039;s numbers all you want, but the fact remains that his offense and defense have been pretty awful since joining the Cardinals. And that was totally predictable. Not as predictable as Theriot&#039;s rotten defense, but it was predictable. 

And I never said Mo did a bad job in general. All I said was that he has not done well (crapped out) on middle infielders. You seem to disagree, but you have not shown me a good middle infield move that he has made.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the four years prior to Minnesota putting Hardy on the trading block, Hardy averaged 128 games per season and he was 28. In the four years prior to St. Louis giving Furcal $13 million for two years, he had average 92 games per season and was 34. </p>
<p>And if you are comparing their defense, then, again, I am speaking different languages. They are not even close.</p>
<p>Over their careers, Furcal has a slight edge offensively, but it is not the gap you apparently think it is.</p>
<p>You guys can cherry-pick Furcal&#8217;s numbers all you want, but the fact remains that his offense and defense have been pretty awful since joining the Cardinals. And that was totally predictable. Not as predictable as Theriot&#8217;s rotten defense, but it was predictable. </p>
<p>And I never said Mo did a bad job in general. All I said was that he has not done well (crapped out) on middle infielders. You seem to disagree, but you have not shown me a good middle infield move that he has made.</p>
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		<title>By: paperlions</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 00:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[FWIW, I said you would be a douche if you were only willing to assign blame for short-comings but not credit for the wealth of things that the Cardinals have done well the last several years.  You are the one that decided you the characterization fit.

You won&#039;t find many people more critical of the Cardinals than I am, but I am also fair in my criticisms within the context of possible actions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW, I said you would be a douche if you were only willing to assign blame for short-comings but not credit for the wealth of things that the Cardinals have done well the last several years.  You are the one that decided you the characterization fit.</p>
<p>You won&#8217;t find many people more critical of the Cardinals than I am, but I am also fair in my criticisms within the context of possible actions.</p>
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		<title>By: paperlions</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 00:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Go find the HBT post for the Cards signing of Cedeno, I called it a waste of $$ and a roster spot (just like the signings of Wiggington and Choate, all 3 are a waste of spots on the roster).

You still haven&#039;t suggested what else could have been done.  You ripped Furcal for being injury prone and then suggested Hardy, well....Hardy can&#039;t hit and at the time the Cardinals signed Furcal, Hardy had not played in 130 games/season since 2008.  Texas won&#039;t trade Andrus.  Colorado won&#039;t trade Tulo.  Who else is available at SS?  In case you haven&#039;t noticed, the SS position at the MLB level is crap these days.

Last year, Cardinal shortstops were actually mid-of the pack production-wise.  They were 11th with a wRC+ of 96, but 23rd on defense (based on UZR).  For all the whining, they&#039;re SS haven&#039;t been all that much worse than those on other teams.  In terms of fWAR, Cardinal SS were just as good as those on the teams in the WS last year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go find the HBT post for the Cards signing of Cedeno, I called it a waste of $$ and a roster spot (just like the signings of Wiggington and Choate, all 3 are a waste of spots on the roster).</p>
<p>You still haven&#8217;t suggested what else could have been done.  You ripped Furcal for being injury prone and then suggested Hardy, well&#8230;.Hardy can&#8217;t hit and at the time the Cardinals signed Furcal, Hardy had not played in 130 games/season since 2008.  Texas won&#8217;t trade Andrus.  Colorado won&#8217;t trade Tulo.  Who else is available at SS?  In case you haven&#8217;t noticed, the SS position at the MLB level is crap these days.</p>
<p>Last year, Cardinal shortstops were actually mid-of the pack production-wise.  They were 11th with a wRC+ of 96, but 23rd on defense (based on UZR).  For all the whining, they&#8217;re SS haven&#8217;t been all that much worse than those on other teams.  In terms of fWAR, Cardinal SS were just as good as those on the teams in the WS last year.</p>
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		<title>By: paperlions</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 00:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah, yes....now you are definitely revising history.  When Hardy was available, he hadn&#039;t played 130 games in a season since 2008, and he generally hit for crap year in and year out.....as bad as Furcal was offensively last year, largely because he was hurt, a healthy JJ Hardy was far worse at the plate.  Hardy isn&#039;t really an upgrade over the Cardinals&#039; current options.  Another guy that can&#039;t hit, and that plays some good defense when he&#039;s healthy.

Yes, the Cardinals have not made the best decisions at SS the last few years...in part because there have not been many good decisions to be made.  The position is a disaster at the MLB level right now.  But blasting Mo for not over-paying for a modest upgrade at SS while ignoring all the things he has done right (including not overpaying an aging 1B), is myopic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, yes&#8230;.now you are definitely revising history.  When Hardy was available, he hadn&#8217;t played 130 games in a season since 2008, and he generally hit for crap year in and year out&#8230;..as bad as Furcal was offensively last year, largely because he was hurt, a healthy JJ Hardy was far worse at the plate.  Hardy isn&#8217;t really an upgrade over the Cardinals&#8217; current options.  Another guy that can&#8217;t hit, and that plays some good defense when he&#8217;s healthy.</p>
<p>Yes, the Cardinals have not made the best decisions at SS the last few years&#8230;in part because there have not been many good decisions to be made.  The position is a disaster at the MLB level right now.  But blasting Mo for not over-paying for a modest upgrade at SS while ignoring all the things he has done right (including not overpaying an aging 1B), is myopic.</p>
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		<title>By: jwbiii</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 00:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rest and rehab seemed to be the plan from the beginning.
 
&lt;blockquote&gt;Rafael Furcal will NOT undergo surgery to repair damaged ligament in elbow. &lt;a href=&quot;https://twitter.com/search/%23STLCards&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;#STLCards&lt;/a&gt; hopeful he can recover with 4-6 weeks of rest.&#8212; Jenifer Langosch (@LangoschMLB) &lt;a href=&quot;https://twitter.com/LangoschMLB/status/241969263232049152&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;September 1, 2012&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rest and rehab seemed to be the plan from the beginning.</p>
<blockquote><p>Rafael Furcal will NOT undergo surgery to repair damaged ligament in elbow. <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23STLCards" rel="nofollow">#STLCards</a> hopeful he can recover with 4-6 weeks of rest.&mdash; Jenifer Langosch (@LangoschMLB) <a href="https://twitter.com/LangoschMLB/status/241969263232049152" rel="nofollow">September 1, 2012</a></p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: saints97</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[saints97]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Mar 2013 23:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In fairness, you were probably wrong with whatever you said about Matt Holliday.

I hear a lot crap talked about the guy, yet he has over-performed his contract by a large margin so far.

The people crapping on Holliday now are probably the same people who thought Jason Bay was the better free agent LF that offseason. Oops.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fairness, you were probably wrong with whatever you said about Matt Holliday.</p>
<p>I hear a lot crap talked about the guy, yet he has over-performed his contract by a large margin so far.</p>
<p>The people crapping on Holliday now are probably the same people who thought Jason Bay was the better free agent LF that offseason. Oops.</p>
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		<title>By: saints97</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[saints97]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Mar 2013 23:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agreed on our minor league options (though they are all better than Cedeno, most likely), but I also don&#039;t think you have to have an all star at every position. I just don&#039;t like seeing a large financial commitment (for multiple years) on a guy with no ceiling and an obvious injury risk.

It&#039;s too bad Brendan Ryan was trouble in the clubhouse, because a superstar glove (with no ability to hit) for low dollars is probably perfect for this team. And say what you want about his bat, he&#039;s probably the best defensive SS in the game right now.

I don&#039;t blame anyone for the lack of a quality SS on this team - good SS are very hard to find. I just don&#039;t like signings like Furcal and Cedeno. That money (not that it is a lot for Cedeno, but he has a track record of being terrible) would be much better put to use in signing bonuses for international free agents.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed on our minor league options (though they are all better than Cedeno, most likely), but I also don&#8217;t think you have to have an all star at every position. I just don&#8217;t like seeing a large financial commitment (for multiple years) on a guy with no ceiling and an obvious injury risk.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s too bad Brendan Ryan was trouble in the clubhouse, because a superstar glove (with no ability to hit) for low dollars is probably perfect for this team. And say what you want about his bat, he&#8217;s probably the best defensive SS in the game right now.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t blame anyone for the lack of a quality SS on this team &#8211; good SS are very hard to find. I just don&#8217;t like signings like Furcal and Cedeno. That money (not that it is a lot for Cedeno, but he has a track record of being terrible) would be much better put to use in signing bonuses for international free agents.</p>
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		<title>By: rmfp1978</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Mar 2013 23:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If anyones a douche its paperlions. He results to acting like a tough guy behind a computer screen when anyone critisizes the cardinal organization. Dont ever say anything about holliday he&#039;ll go gangster on his keyboard]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anyones a douche its paperlions. He results to acting like a tough guy behind a computer screen when anyone critisizes the cardinal organization. Dont ever say anything about holliday he&#8217;ll go gangster on his keyboard</p>
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		<title>By: swmocardsfan</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/03/rafael-furcal-on-injured-elbow-its-not-getting-better/comment-page-1/#comment-450554</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[swmocardsfan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Mar 2013 22:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Imagine that...surgery recommended to fix this injury is ignored and now it isn&#039;t healed???  Who would have freaking thought it?  I bleed Cardinal red, but this is totally on management.  I respect Furcal&#039;s right to refuse the surgery and try an alternative method to fix the injury, but Mo has to have someone on standby if that gamble craps out and Ronny Freaking Cedeno nor the Kozma-naut are the right answer.  The middle infield has been rough for years and we have been able to get by, but the Central is getting tougher because the Reds are built to last as much as I hate to admit it and the Pirates are making improvements, so the Cards are going to have to invest.  Kolten Wong is going to be a great middle infielder but he could still be a year or so out and Matt Carpenter, as talented as he is, will have struggles adjusting to second base if that is truly what Matheny goes with.  Could be a long up and down year for Cards fans...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagine that&#8230;surgery recommended to fix this injury is ignored and now it isn&#8217;t healed???  Who would have freaking thought it?  I bleed Cardinal red, but this is totally on management.  I respect Furcal&#8217;s right to refuse the surgery and try an alternative method to fix the injury, but Mo has to have someone on standby if that gamble craps out and Ronny Freaking Cedeno nor the Kozma-naut are the right answer.  The middle infield has been rough for years and we have been able to get by, but the Central is getting tougher because the Reds are built to last as much as I hate to admit it and the Pirates are making improvements, so the Cards are going to have to invest.  Kolten Wong is going to be a great middle infielder but he could still be a year or so out and Matt Carpenter, as talented as he is, will have struggles adjusting to second base if that is truly what Matheny goes with.  Could be a long up and down year for Cards fans&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: astrozac</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[astrozac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Mar 2013 22:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cedeno, Kozma, Descalso, Jackson, there are plenty of mix and match possibilities, where you don&#039;t have to immediately go get another shortstop or second baseman...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cedeno, Kozma, Descalso, Jackson, there are plenty of mix and match possibilities, where you don&#8217;t have to immediately go get another shortstop or second baseman&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: okwhitefalcon</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Mar 2013 22:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think you maybe right on Garcia but I don&#039;t he&#039;s any sort of long term solution on the major league level either.

I think it&#039;s fairly obvious they&#039;re going to have to go outside the organization on this one, until then it&#039;s alot of Band Aids on a compound fracture at short.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you maybe right on Garcia but I don&#8217;t he&#8217;s any sort of long term solution on the major league level either.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s fairly obvious they&#8217;re going to have to go outside the organization on this one, until then it&#8217;s alot of Band Aids on a compound fracture at short.</p>
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		<title>By: saints97</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[saints97]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Mar 2013 20:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I actually think that Garcia may have passed Jackson on the organizational depth chart. 

But no matter how you cut it, they paid $13 million for experience, and nothing more. Furcal is/was done being a productive Major Leaguer. His defense has been horrific for several years, and his offense is bad, too. All teams have that available to them internally for league minimum.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually think that Garcia may have passed Jackson on the organizational depth chart. </p>
<p>But no matter how you cut it, they paid $13 million for experience, and nothing more. Furcal is/was done being a productive Major Leaguer. His defense has been horrific for several years, and his offense is bad, too. All teams have that available to them internally for league minimum.</p>
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		<title>By: okwhitefalcon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[okwhitefalcon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Mar 2013 20:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mo knew the risks (as did we all around here) of signing Furcal at at an overpay and to think he didn&#039;t have the foresight to see this as a likely scenario is just goofy.

He knows what he has internally (and please - no Ryan Jackson talk, he&#039;s not even on the radar unless Kozma and Cedeno fall off the face of the earth) and that&#039;s what they&#039;ll do with unless something happens on a trade front.

This team has some great strengths and gaping flaws in the middle infield, nothing we didn&#039;t know going in really.

Starting pitching could be a major issue as well, they&#039;re extremely thin in innings eaters and experience.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mo knew the risks (as did we all around here) of signing Furcal at at an overpay and to think he didn&#8217;t have the foresight to see this as a likely scenario is just goofy.</p>
<p>He knows what he has internally (and please &#8211; no Ryan Jackson talk, he&#8217;s not even on the radar unless Kozma and Cedeno fall off the face of the earth) and that&#8217;s what they&#8217;ll do with unless something happens on a trade front.</p>
<p>This team has some great strengths and gaping flaws in the middle infield, nothing we didn&#8217;t know going in really.</p>
<p>Starting pitching could be a major issue as well, they&#8217;re extremely thin in innings eaters and experience.</p>
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		<title>By: spudchukar</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spudchukar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Mar 2013 19:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Correct you are Saints, about the dates that is, but that is about it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correct you are Saints, about the dates that is, but that is about it.</p>
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		<title>By: saints97</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[saints97]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Mar 2013 19:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not spending $13 million on value you already had in house was an option. In fact, it was the better option.

I am sure you hate advanced metrics, but Pete Kozma (who I realize played over his head), provided more value in about a month last year than Furcal did in 5 months. And, yes, that includes his hot start.

You can claim I am using &quot;revisionist history&quot; (I am revising nothing, by the way), but I didn&#039;t like the signing when it happened. I was okay with the trade for him, because we gave up nothing and HAD to replace Theriot, who was beyond awful.

You guys keep asking what Mo could have done - what options did he have? Well, he could have traded for JJ Hardy instead of trading for Theriot back in 2010. Now blast me for 20/20 hindsight, but you guys are the ones who were demanding alternatives.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not spending $13 million on value you already had in house was an option. In fact, it was the better option.</p>
<p>I am sure you hate advanced metrics, but Pete Kozma (who I realize played over his head), provided more value in about a month last year than Furcal did in 5 months. And, yes, that includes his hot start.</p>
<p>You can claim I am using &#8220;revisionist history&#8221; (I am revising nothing, by the way), but I didn&#8217;t like the signing when it happened. I was okay with the trade for him, because we gave up nothing and HAD to replace Theriot, who was beyond awful.</p>
<p>You guys keep asking what Mo could have done &#8211; what options did he have? Well, he could have traded for JJ Hardy instead of trading for Theriot back in 2010. Now blast me for 20/20 hindsight, but you guys are the ones who were demanding alternatives.</p>
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		<title>By: spudchukar</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spudchukar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Mar 2013 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Was it a risk. Yep, you bet.  But by your own admission, what were the other options.  As my earlier posts indicate, he does not have an &quot;injury-riddled past&quot;, and granted you did state recently.  But I believe the Cards had to go to the 13 mil in order to secure him.  Just recognizing the market is scarce still avoids the obvious.  There were no better options.  So when your back is to the wall, sometimes you have no other choice but to overpay, particularly when it is a position as vital as SS, on a team that has the bucks, and is a viable contender.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was it a risk. Yep, you bet.  But by your own admission, what were the other options.  As my earlier posts indicate, he does not have an &#8220;injury-riddled past&#8221;, and granted you did state recently.  But I believe the Cards had to go to the 13 mil in order to secure him.  Just recognizing the market is scarce still avoids the obvious.  There were no better options.  So when your back is to the wall, sometimes you have no other choice but to overpay, particularly when it is a position as vital as SS, on a team that has the bucks, and is a viable contender.</p>
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		<title>By: saints97</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[saints97]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Mar 2013 18:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Spud, you may want to re-check your dates there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spud, you may want to re-check your dates there.</p>
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		<title>By: spudchukar</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spudchukar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Mar 2013 18:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, talk about cherry-picking!  Furcal played for 2 months for St. Louis in 2012, hitting 7 HRs, 4 steals and posted a 102 OPS+, and solidified the SS position, that was floundering.  Then in 2013, he got off to a great start in April and May before the elbow injury, where he levied .811 and .833 OPS+ and was named to the NL 2012 All-Star squad, so it wasn&#039;t just me who thought he was performing admirably.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, talk about cherry-picking!  Furcal played for 2 months for St. Louis in 2012, hitting 7 HRs, 4 steals and posted a 102 OPS+, and solidified the SS position, that was floundering.  Then in 2013, he got off to a great start in April and May before the elbow injury, where he levied .811 and .833 OPS+ and was named to the NL 2012 All-Star squad, so it wasn&#8217;t just me who thought he was performing admirably.</p>
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		<title>By: natslady</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[natslady]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Mar 2013 18:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please not Pete F&#039;ing Kozma.   Please not Pete F&#039;ing Kozma.   Pretty please?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please not Pete F&#8217;ing Kozma.   Please not Pete F&#8217;ing Kozma.   Pretty please?</p>
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