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No moment of silence for Hugo Chavez at Team Venezuela’s exhibition game vs. the Marlins

Mar 5, 2013, 10:27 PM EDT

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You’ve probably heard that Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez died this evening at the age of 58.

If you didn’t think we would try to find a baseball angle in this, you’re probably not a very frequent reader of HardballTalk. And shame on you for that.

Craig Davis of the South Florida Sun-Sentinel describes the scene before Tuesday night’s 2013 World Baseball Classic warmup game between the Marlins and Team Venezuela in Jupiter, Florida:

The death of the controversial Venezuelan leader after a battle with cancer was announced a couple hours before the nation’s entry in the World Baseball Classic faced the Marlins at Roger Dean Stadium.

A Marlins spokesman said all parties involved in the exhibition, including Major League Baseball, agreed to not have the moment of silence for Chavez.

The Venezuelan flag in the stadium was lowered to half staff for a few minutes, then raised again.

Hector Rodriguez, Venezuela’s minister of sports, called the team and told them to “concentrate on sports and leave political stuff out.”

“He was a man of baseball,” Team Venezuela manager Luis Sojo said of Chavez. “He was always aware of the team and who was on it. He was the first call I got in the morning during the tournaments in 2006 and 2009. He lived for baseball.” Perhaps there will be some kind of tribute once actual WBC games get underway.

Venezuela faces the Dominican Republic on Thursday night, Puerto Rico on Saturday evening and Spain on Sunday afternoon. Those are the teams in Pool C. Their games are being played in San Juan, Puerto Rico.

  1. barrywhererufrom - Mar 5, 2013 at 10:41 PM

    Obama.sent.his condolences

    • Kevin S. - Mar 5, 2013 at 10:44 PM

      Heads of state typically do that when other heads of state die.

      • raysfan1 - Mar 5, 2013 at 10:53 PM

        As they should, it’s only polite.

      • sailcat54 - Mar 5, 2013 at 11:08 PM

        So, the right wing lunatic fringe trolls baseball sites, too?

      • heyblueyoustink - Mar 6, 2013 at 8:26 AM

        Right wing Fringe? You know why I hate far leftists just a little more that far rightists? One tells me i’m going to hell, which is fine, the other tells where i’m wrong or not thinking correctly all the goddamn time. Which frankly, is annoying.

      • sailcat54 - Mar 7, 2013 at 12:49 AM

        Heyblue, maybe people tell you what to think because you’re obviously so bad at it.

    • aceshigh11 - Mar 5, 2013 at 11:07 PM

      Your name says it all, you grotesquely stupid, ignorant, racist cocksucker.

      • historiophiliac - Mar 5, 2013 at 11:46 PM

        /mentally debates being the one to defend oral sex….nope, pass

      • blacksables - Mar 6, 2013 at 3:22 AM


      • paperlions - Mar 6, 2013 at 6:55 AM

        Yeah, I’m disappointed too, if seems like someone should have stepped up to defend fellatio.

      • cowboysoldiertx - Mar 6, 2013 at 7:01 AM

        This world needs cocksuckers. I’ve dated some young women who really only had that going for them!

      • Chris Fiorentino - Mar 6, 2013 at 7:33 AM

        Teddy Cullinane: I’ve never seen Crash so angry. And frankly, sports fans, he used a word that’s a no-no with umpires.

        Millie: Crash must’ve called the guy a cocksucker.

        Annie: Mmmmm. How romantic.

      • barrywhererufrom - Mar 6, 2013 at 10:08 AM

        aceshigh11 what’s with the hostility? Where does race play into this? To embrace Chavez which Obama did is disgraceful. Chavez murdered his own people because they oppossed him. Did you agree with that? Is that something that the US should stand for? Well when you can’t debate you name call. It’s something that Obamanites love to do when you kill them with facts.

      • barrywhererufrom - Mar 6, 2013 at 10:25 AM

        I have to say I love that my screen name pisses off so many be called a bither is really amusing. I know I am a Conservative so with that name makes me a birther..actually I couldn’t be any further from that. I believes Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii. I just love the hysteria that some obama supporters’ show in response to it. It shows the true spirit of hatred on their part. When his college records are sealed you say nothing. Did you ever think to question who this guy is? I did. I will continue to question his policies because we are all getting screwed by them. Do you have a clue what Obamacare is going to do to our economy? I think not. When you can have people on here that defend Chavez I know that their is no coming back for you. It would take at least many years of unemployment for you to realize that maybe Keynsian-Obamanomics doesnt work. But I know I said too much now call me a name and let our country burn..

      • stlouis1baseball - Mar 7, 2013 at 12:21 PM

        “you grotesquely stupid, ignorant, racist cocksucker.”

        “It’s getting tiresome, but I just remind myself that most of them are old, fat, ignorant, ruddy-faced white guys with high blood pressure who won’t live to see 2016…and I laugh, and laugh…”

        Remind me again…(you phuqing hypocrite). Who is stupid, ignorant and hate-filled?
        Oh…that’s right. Those that oppose your view(s).
        Speaking of which…I have actually seen you openly request others take their own lives.
        For what? Opposing your views?
        Stay hypocritical Aces. And above all else…keep it classy.

  2. barrywhererufrom - Mar 5, 2013 at 10:48 PM

    Chavez was an evil dictator ..I am sure we same thing when Castro.dies…obama.never met a.dictator he didn’t like

    • Kevin S. - Mar 5, 2013 at 10:51 PM

      Yeah, he just loooooooooved Muammar Gaddafi.

      • aceshigh11 - Mar 5, 2013 at 11:09 PM

        Republicans sure are taking the reelection hard so far.

        They’re even more hateful, angry and psychotic than usual.

        It’s getting tiresome, but I just remind myself that most of them are old, fat, ignorant, ruddy-faced white guys with high blood pressure who won’t live to see 2016…and I laugh, and laugh…

      • sfbookreviews - Mar 6, 2013 at 4:25 AM

        For “aceshigh11”:

        Are you smart enough to see the irony when you lump millions of people into one ignorant “they’re all hateful, angry and psychotic” while at the same time laughing and laughing because you think most of them will be dead in three years?

        And I won’t go into how lazy and pathetic it is to make such an all-encompassing statement to begin with. Despite what your ignorance is telling you, not everyone on the right shares the stupidity of the birthers.

      • skids003 - Mar 6, 2013 at 7:44 AM

        aces, not all of us think we are better than those who don’t share our beliefs , as you seem to . You don’t know what’s best for me, but you all think you do.

        It never ceses to amaze me at how liberals are all about being equal and tolerant, yet they are the first to be hateful and talk down to those who don’t believe as they do. Very intolerant.

    • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Mar 5, 2013 at 10:56 PM

      Dictator? Sure. Evil? Not so much. He did a lot for impoverished Venezuelans in terms of providing healthcare, education, etc. but was a divisive leader because of it. The rich generally don’t care for social reformers.

      • Francisco (FC) - Mar 6, 2013 at 6:47 AM

        You have no idea and I don’t have the time to educate people who aren’t interested in hearing about it.

      • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Mar 6, 2013 at 10:50 AM

        No, I’m always interested, have at it.

      • barrywhererufrom - Mar 6, 2013 at 10:04 AM

        1943mrmojorisin..i am sure your college professor ponitifcated on the greatness of socialism, communism. Yeah Chavez wasn’t a bad guy..are you kidding me? He imprisoned and killed his opposition. I am sure some leftist in this country would love to do the same here. No wonder you guys love Obama so much. If someones policies are far left and in Chavez’s case-ultra left you have no problem with the murder of innocent people..

      • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Mar 6, 2013 at 10:52 AM

        Unfortunately he didn’t do anything that other Latin American regimes haven’t or wouldn’t do to their opposition. By historical standards he can hardly be considered evil on the same scale as the North Koreans. So while I’m not condoning suppression of dissent I’m also not letting those actions obscure what good Chavez did during his reign.

      • Francisco (FC) - Mar 6, 2013 at 11:11 AM

        He did a lot for impoverished Venezuelans in terms of providing healthcare, education, etc.
        90% of this is smoke and mirrors and/or unsustainable. The point for Chavez was not improve the poor’s lot for its own sake, the point was to curry their favor to get all the votes, since it’s the largest base in the country. Last year was a case in point: They openly offered dishwashers or other fantastic appliances and dangled the prospect of new homes at rock-bottom prices. One week after the election they cynically scaled back all home building efforts (because duh such an effort was financially unsustainable) to the point people won’t see the promised housing for years if ever. They got a massive loan from the Chinese to finance the election campaign. Now the man is dead and the terms of the Chinese loan are hideous to the point that whatever oil Venezuela sells to China $40 per barrel are lopped off the price to help pay for the debt.

        Right now healthcare is severely rundown with Hospitals telling patients they need to bring their own supplies (very basic things like alcohol, cotton and so forth) because they have nothing (corruption is rampant and a black market sucks whatever supplies hospitals get). My aunt works for one of the children’s hospitals and they tried to get her to accept a shipment of needles that were not sterilized, packages ruptured and smelled awful, who knows where those came from. She pretty much rejected the shipment as unsanitary (and I’m sure those fellows simply whisked the shipment to a different hospital with a more pliant doctor).

        Education is terrible to the point Venezuela has withdrawn from international testing systems to avoid the embarrassment, there are simply not enough good educators and the ministry is more concerned with ideological indoctrination than math, literature and sciences. Future generations are not getting good basic primary and secondary school education. How will these children prepare themselves for their future?

        Simply doling out petro-money is not “Social Reform”, it’s called political clientlism and Chavez perfected the art to the point that he made sure his followers knew which side their bread was buttered on (in many elections pro-government candidates made un-subtle hints that if they did not win their election – governor/mayor/etc – resources for that institution would not be forthcoming, talk about political blackmail). If anything the law on a new social security system tabled all the way back from 1998 has yet to get through the National Assembly, they have bigger fish to fry.

        So back to the original point: whatever “good” Chavez has done, chop off the accomplishment by 90% and in any case all the bad FAR outweighs the “good”.

      • wareagletampa - Mar 6, 2013 at 11:25 AM

        Sure we read what your favorite white college professors who have never been to Venezuela had to say. I’m sure you’ve never been as weel so for you to speak as though you are an expert is laughable. I have never been, but I go to the source. No one I have ever met from Venezuela had anything good to say about Chavez. In fact they are hopeful for their relatives in Venezuela now that he is gone. Here is some perspective from a Venezuelan:

        Tell this guy how great Chavez was. Tell all Venezuelans how you know better than they do based on 2nd hand opinions of people who have never been.

    • dondada10 - Mar 6, 2013 at 1:07 AM

      My fucking lord, the period is not that complicated. It goes at the end of a sentence. Not after arbitrary words in the sentence.

      The worst thing we could’ve done as a society is show morons the ellipsis. They try to shoehorn it into every group of words available.

      • jarathen - Mar 6, 2013 at 7:43 AM

        The way people use ellipses drives me nuts. It happens a lot in text messages. I’ll say, “See you tonight at the movie!”, and they’ll reply, “OK….”

        What on earth are you trying to say?

    • carbydrash - Mar 6, 2013 at 9:43 AM

      AHh, what it must be like to live in such a simple world.

      Chavez was extremely popular across much of South America. It certainly wasn’t universal, he was an extremely polarizing figure. He did many positive things in Venezuela…the economy was in the gutter when he took over on a long downward trend that was eventually turned into growth. He instituted many programs to aid the poor in his country and put a hard foot down on multi-national corporations exploiting his country. Oh…and he probably was fairly elected. He was overwhelmingly popular with the poor of Venezuela…

      That being said, yes, there are *a lot* of very bad things about Hugo Chavez. His increasing paranoia about the Western world after the 2002 coup attempt, his oppression of opposition that grew stronger and stronger by the year, suppressing dissent through intimidation…whether he was a net gain or negative for Venezuela is up for debate.

      But, let’s remember that the world is not such a simple place. Chavez was not Saddam Hussien or Castro. Chavez did not have positive relations with the United States under the Obama administration. A majority of Venezuela supported his presidency. I don’t think he was a good guy, but he certainly wasn’t the cartoon monster many have made him out to be.

    • jimmymarlinsfan - Mar 6, 2013 at 11:12 AM

      You realize the USA has a long and proud history with installing dictators to control people we fear, right? This history goes farther back than 2009. I know, i know, neo cons are terrible with facts

      • skids003 - Mar 6, 2013 at 12:16 PM

        Not quite like liberals, who make up their facts as they go.

      • jwbiii - Mar 6, 2013 at 12:54 PM

        “We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality.”
        – Karl Rove

  3. eagles512 - Mar 5, 2013 at 11:35 PM

    The world is now a better place.

    • blacksables - Mar 6, 2013 at 3:24 AM

      Shouldn’t we wait to see who takes over first? Germany thought National Socialism was the answer to the problems of the Wiemar Republic. How’d that work out for them?

      • blacksables - Mar 6, 2013 at 3:28 AM

        That’s not in support of Chavez.

        The Cubans thought they would be better off under Castro.

        The Russians thought Lenin was going to be better than the Czar.

        Some people preferred the new Darren over the old Darren on Bewitched.

        Just saying, until you know who the replacement is, you shouldn’t necessarily be happy the old one is gone.

      • jimmymarlinsfan - Mar 6, 2013 at 11:18 AM

        Um, for the most part, Cubans are better off under the Castro brothers than they were under Bautista

      • skids003 - Mar 6, 2013 at 12:17 PM

        That’s not what the Cubans I know tell me.

  4. clevelandschronic2 - Mar 5, 2013 at 11:41 PM

    Love how when this guy dies it instantly becomes another way for u losers to bitch about obama. U losers sure did love george bush for ignoring the world trade center threats, starting 2 wars(1 of the wars being iraq because his daddy couldnt get rid of saddam when he was president in the late 80s-early 90s) not doing anything for katrina and plenty more but yeah its obamas fault it rains,snows or if u cant get off your ass to get a job. U people are pathetic.

    • cosanostra71 - Mar 6, 2013 at 12:53 AM

      Right, so because someone doesn’t like Obama, they automatically must support Bush? Newsflash: the two are cut from the exact same cloth.

      • jimmymarlinsfan - Mar 6, 2013 at 11:20 AM

        Um, no. Obama isn’t a damn moron who’s daddy did everything for him

      • skids003 - Mar 6, 2013 at 12:18 PM

        Right, his mama did everything for him.

      • cosanostra71 - Mar 6, 2013 at 12:28 PM

        oh thanks jimmy, you found the one difference. Bush had a famous father and Obama didn’t.

    • mj2sexay - Mar 6, 2013 at 1:09 AM

      It’s actually single-minded ignoramus types like you that believe Obama is any different. Where was his Sandy response? He took a couple of pictures with Governor Fatso (a disgusting political ploy by them both) and then bounced to go do something more important then helping his constituency like winning another re-election. Get your head out of your ass.

      • paperlions - Mar 6, 2013 at 7:03 AM

        The difference in the Fema response to Sandy and Katrina were night and day. Of course, to suggest that most of the credit or blame for either should go to Obama or Bush is rather silly. You, too, should probably get your head out of your ass.

      • barrywhererufrom - Mar 6, 2013 at 10:15 AM

        mj2away-Right on! I live in New York in an area that was devasted by Sandy. A dog and pony show for election purposes. Gov. Fatso will be a non-entity when he tries for the RNC nomination. We still have homes devasted by Sandy where I live. Gov. Cuomo has done nothing. The 12-12-12 project where celebrities came out and donations where made have not made its way to effected areas. The only avenues of help came from neighbors helping neighbors. When you look at FEMA money I was offered 340 dollars to recondition my boiler. I lost my washer and dryer and boiler. I had over 4 feet of water in my house. FEMA loans are predicated on your credit. If you have bad credit you receive a lower interest rate. You really cant make this stuff up..

      • phillyphannn83 - Mar 6, 2013 at 11:15 AM

        FYI, I’m a firefighter in NJ and right at the Jersey Shore and I can tell you first hand, the Sandy response was exemplary from FEMA and that is because Obama declared it a federal emergency before it really was one. Someone in DC had this thing called foresight and it worked incredibly well. There were people from FEMA already in Jersey before the sh*t hit the fan and they’re STILL here! For someone to suggest the Sandy response is comparable to Katrina is beyond laughable. Please, before you make idiotic and baseless assertions like that, do some research. Try to find and provide the rest of us with some proof to your claim. Provide us a link to some form of criticism of the Sandy response because everything I’ve seen and experienced supports the contrary.

        And Paperlions… all you need to do is look at what FEMA stands for to know you’re wrong. FEMA is FEDERAL emergency support and they cannot take part is ANY disaster relief until it is declared a federal emergency; just like there is support at the state level that cannot take effect until a state of emergency is declared. The ONLY person who has the authority to declare a FEDERAL state of emergency is the POTUS. FEMA response is directly attributed to him.

  5. eagles512 - Mar 5, 2013 at 11:49 PM

    Not a real big political guy but how can anyone talk about Obama getting blamed for too much when his supporters and he himself blame Bush for everything.

    • phillyphannn83 - Mar 6, 2013 at 11:22 AM

      Its easy because Bush Jr. has gone down as the worst President this nation has ever seen. No other President turned the largest budget surplus into the largest budget deficit during their term(s). And before you chalk that statement up to me being a democrat…I’m not. I’m a registered Independent because BOTH those parties have flaws so why pigeon-hole myself into partisan, one-sided views. Personally I believe that having two dominant political parties is the largest detriment to society because people get too tied to their party allegiances and it taints their views on the issues and they look at them through either red or blue glasses, rather than clear ones.

      • skids003 - Mar 6, 2013 at 12:20 PM

        The only reason he supposedly is the worst ever is because liberals have convinced themselves he was, and still blame all the failings of this administration on him. The current Prez is quickly catching Carter as the worst ever, if history is ever written as it should be, with facts instead of liberal spins.

  6. wareagletampa - Mar 5, 2013 at 11:50 PM

    Not going to complain about Obama, but ClevelandChronic who do you expect to take you seriously with a name like that? Also, anyone who is claiming that Chavez was a “good guy” crack open a history book because you sound very ignorant. Ask anyone FROM Venezuela what they think of Chavez. Under him the murder rate skyrocketed to one of the highest in the world. Poverty rate went down, yet inflation put all of those people right back into poverty. THE HUMAN RIGHTS WATCHLIST says enough. He was not a “head of state” he’s a notch below Ahmadinejad and Kim Jong Ill. A small notch.

    • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Mar 6, 2013 at 12:15 AM

      Almost as bad as those two lunatics? You’re certainly not one to be accusing people of coming of as misinformed ignoramuses.

      • Francisco (FC) - Mar 6, 2013 at 6:51 AM

        You’re not far behind, the situation is more nuanced but generally speaking he’s correct.

    • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Mar 6, 2013 at 12:16 AM

    • jarathen - Mar 6, 2013 at 8:02 AM

      I only know one person from Venezuela (lives here now), and he hates his guts.

      • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Mar 6, 2013 at 10:54 AM

        I can just picture someone in Venezuela saying, “I only know one person from America and he thinks Obama is a ruthless dictator.”

  7. j0esixpack - Mar 6, 2013 at 12:02 AM

    Sports does have the ability to rise above political differences.

    I suppose we should now send Ambassador Worm info Venezuela to further improve relations now

  8. Ben - Mar 6, 2013 at 12:21 AM

    There’s not much good to say about Chavez, but if any US president was was half as worried about poverty as Chavez was, we’d all be in a better world.

    • heyblueyoustink - Mar 6, 2013 at 8:22 AM

      And murder, let’s not forget about that. lots and lots of killing human beings. Can’t make an omelette without breaking a few eggs, eh?

      • carbydrash - Mar 6, 2013 at 9:49 AM

        I’m confused….are you talking about the US or Hugo Chavez when it comes to killing humans?

    • Francisco (FC) - Mar 6, 2013 at 10:14 AM

      It’s easy to be worried about Poverty, doing something about it and making it stick is an entirely different scenario.

  9. mj2sexay - Mar 6, 2013 at 1:17 AM

    Leave it to some of the whack jobs on this site to glorify a dictator who oppressed the civil rights of his own people each and every day. Do you idiots even know that this was a man that amassed MASSIVE personal wealth from stealing from his own people? Keep living in your fantasy world, where you accuse some of the successful in this country for doing exactly what this antisemitic asshat did every day of his life.

    • carbydrash - Mar 6, 2013 at 9:52 AM

      Huh? Whose glorifying Chavez on this site? I know a lot of people are saying it’s a bit more complicated that just saying “he’s a monster!”…especially when he was democratically elected, extremely popular among the poor and instituted tons of social reforms. I think that stuff is all good. I think the repressing dissent is extremely awful…I’m certainly not defending it, and I doubt any of the so called A”glorifyers” here do. I’m just not a simpleton and am able to recognize that there is some complexity to things in the world.

  10. necr0philia - Mar 6, 2013 at 1:22 AM

    What’s sad is most Americans ( I’m American but knows the truth) believe that this man was evil and anti American. But my friends this is only what you learned from the media. Really do some research and you will see the truth. It’s all a bunch of political lies that has corrupted us all and kept most in the dark. I’m not here to start an argument just here to say that it’s sad people hate a man they know nothing about except what the main stream media tells them. RIP from an American born and raised!!

    • mj2sexay - Mar 6, 2013 at 1:25 AM

      An ally of Ahmadinejad. You’re right! He’s a great guy!

    • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Mar 6, 2013 at 1:58 AM

      I feel sorry for lots of you Americans. One of the bubble-headed bleach blondes on Fox spews a bunch of partisan rhetoric and half the country takes it as gospel.

      • skids003 - Mar 6, 2013 at 12:22 PM

        And MSNBC and their propaganda machine spews it and the other half believes!!

    • jimmymarlinsfan - Mar 6, 2013 at 11:28 AM

      Hugo Chavez also gave Venezuelan oil to poor people in the United States with the help of Joe Kennedy. Isn’t that amazing? A poor country offering and giving help to the richest country in the world that often refuses to help the poor

  11. clevelandschronic2 - Mar 6, 2013 at 1:44 AM

    So wareagletampa so my name on here makes all the points i said less true. Next time i need to make a log in name i’ll check to make sure you’re ok with it.

  12. jetsfan79 - Mar 6, 2013 at 6:56 AM

    Clevelandchronic, stfu and know something about something before bitching, Obama is an idiot, the country is more in debt than ever, his healthcare plan is a joke and if you don’t have healthcare in 2016 when the government taxes you for not having it you won’t like Obama, this country is on the verge of collapsing under this free spending idiot. The Cleveland browns will always suck more than the jets, Hugo sucked, Obama sucks, and the browns and Indians and cavaliers all blow obamas ass

  13. chill1184 - Mar 6, 2013 at 7:06 AM

    Statists don’t deserve moments of silence but people like Chavez, Ortega and other left statists got into power because of US government meddling in Latin America aka the Monroe Doctrine. They were able to convince their people that free market capitalism is just a “cover” for US/European imperialism/colonialism and that Latin American style socialism was the path to “peace and prosperity”. Same can be said for some of the long time African dictators such as Robert Mugabe (however Latin American socialism rhetoric doesn’t push the race factor like Mugabe does). This however does not completely absolve Chavez, he was a monster in his own right.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if chickenhawk conservatives or chickenhawk liberals start to push to “help” Venezuela in this time of “crisis”

  14. hojo20 - Mar 6, 2013 at 7:58 AM

    Obama knows nothing about baseball.

    Announcer: Who is your favorite White Sox player?
    Obama: Uhhhhhhh…(non-answer follows)

    • historiophiliac - Mar 6, 2013 at 9:15 AM

      In all fairness, if he had said Pierzynski, people on here would’ve gone nuts w/ that.

    • jlovenotjlo - Mar 6, 2013 at 3:26 PM

      He also referred to the blue seated, high upper deck, pre-renovation Comiskey Park of the 90s and early 00s as ‘the old Comiskey Field’. It’s the same stadium ya dork they just renovated. And it’s not Comiskey Field! Southsider my ass learn how to throw a baseball.

      He’s alright though

  15. simon94022 - Mar 6, 2013 at 9:30 AM

    The morons who are praising Chavez will also be praising Fidel Castro in a couple of years, citing his make-believe contributions to “literacy” and “health care”, as if these thugs were Mother Theresas.

    • carbydrash - Mar 6, 2013 at 9:54 AM

      …about that:

    • dexterismyhero - Mar 6, 2013 at 11:04 AM

      I wonder if they also agree with the Venezuelan Government that we gave Chavez cancer.

  16. irishdodger - Mar 6, 2013 at 10:31 AM

    Not an Obama fan, but to drag him into this debate is for another site. Chavez was a statist dictator. He DID send lots of his own people to prison camps. His socialistic views were a front to get dictatorial power. Promise to feed the poor or redistribute the wealth and all the campus lefties will start wearing t-shirts w/ the dictator’s image made out of hemp. The war on drugs has nothing on the war on poverty. They should have ceased decades ago.

  17. eagles512 - Mar 6, 2013 at 12:33 PM

    I will say that Bush would be 100 times better for our economy than Obama-even if you disagree with him on other things.

  18. barrywhererufrom - Mar 6, 2013 at 2:59 PM

    Not a fan of christy but unlike the mayor and governor of Louisiana suring katrina. Hw had his ducks in a row and asked for help from the federal govt. In lousiana that was not the case

    • barrywhererufrom - Mar 6, 2013 at 3:10 PM

      Mayor Negron-Chocolate City forever-of New Orleans and the incompetent Gov. of Lousiana dropped the ball and people died because of it. Before the storm hit the federal govt offered help and they said no..that was their right. To live through what i did in New York we weren’t prepared for it at all. It’s a disgrace!

  19. necr0philia - Mar 6, 2013 at 8:36 PM

    People from the left People from the right and those in-between. Have you not really seen the REAL problem? The problem is not a Democrat or Republican President. Not Bush vs Obama. This will all continue as long as America uses the Federal Reserve as its source of money. The President doesn’t control anything he is just a face. Our #1 need is to ban the Reserve for life. We tried that once with a real President (the last real one we had) and he was Murdered by those who wanted the Reserve to stay. They real ones in charge are splitting this country up by Red vs Blue! It’s so sad you guys don’t and can’t see the truth. I beg you to do more research. Our country depends on it.

  20. dezolationangel - Mar 6, 2013 at 11:33 PM

    Chavez destroyed his economy by selling oil cheap to countries like Russia and China to finance his programs for the poor. Hard to imagine considering that Venezuela has the largest oil reserves in the world. As far as Bush ignoring the 9/11 warnings just remember that all the planning for that started on Clinton’s watch. I’m not a Republican and sure as hell not a Democrat. I am a huge baseball fan though. Had to throw that in considering this is a baseball blog!

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