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Roy Halladay’s velocity has people worried again

Mar 7, 2013, 10:15 AM EDT

Philadelphia Phillies pitcher Roy Halladay wipes his head during a workout at the team's MLB spring training in Clearwater

For the second straight spring Roy Halladay‘s low velocity readings are an issue.

Last spring Halladay brushed off those concerns, but sure enough his fastball averaged just 90.6 miles per hour last season compared to 92.0 in 2011 and 92.6 in 2010. He posted a 4.49 ERA that was his worst since 2000 and was limited to 25 starts because of a shoulder injury.

And now?

David Murphy of the Philadelphia Daily News reports that Halladay topped out at 88 miles per hour yesterday and worked mostly in the 86-88 range. It’s not uncommon for velocity readings to be lower than usual early in spring training as pitchers build up their arm strength, but at age 35 and coming off shoulder problems it might be time to wonder if the Cy Young-caliber Halladay we’ve consistently seen for the past decade is gone for good.

  1. darthicarus - Mar 7, 2013 at 10:30 AM

    The decline came awful fast for Halladay, which is rather disappointing since he seemed like a good guy and was a dominant pitcher for a while there. Now queue up the Phillies hate & how this serves them right and the day can continue.

    • fanofevilempire - Mar 7, 2013 at 11:28 AM

      I think the Phillies got the best of Doc already, he logged a lot of miles on that arm.
      The Phillies have a lot tied up in two older pitchers. I think the Phillies are headed
      to a few tough seasons ahead.

      • gmfw7 - Mar 7, 2013 at 11:43 AM

        you’re right about everything, except one major point. halladay needs to reach something like 220 innings this year for his contract to get picked up next year. if he isn’t his dominant self, that’s a goal he likely won’t reach, so the phillies only have big money tied up in one older pitcher after this season. and even though he’s old, cliff lee didn’t show any signs of decline last year.

      • chadjones27 - Mar 7, 2013 at 1:42 PM

        Hire Jamie Moyer to teach him how to pitch.

        You’re right, that hurt my brain typing it.

  2. mayortito - Mar 7, 2013 at 10:40 AM

    It’s all about the motion in the ocean and hitting the right spot.

    • mayortito - Mar 7, 2013 at 10:41 AM

      Please refer to Greg Maddux for evidence.

      • professormaddog31 - Mar 7, 2013 at 11:44 AM

        Greg didn’t have a consistent 90+ fastball, though.

        It will be interesting to see if Doc can convert to a purely finesse pitcher. If he can stay in the mid 80′s but is able to paint the corners a little more finely, I think he’ll be okay. But there will be a learning curve.

      • bigleagues - Mar 8, 2013 at 1:27 PM

        It has nothing to do with the style of pitcher they are. 34-36 seems to be the age at which dominant SP’s hit the wall physically. The body undergoes subtle but profound physiological changes at that age. Especially guys like Halladay and Maddux who had 30+ Starts and 220+ IP for 10 years straight or more leading right up to age 35 or so.

        This is not to say that they can’t make adjustments, get healthy for a couple more years and roll out another dominant season or two, but it’s just more difficult for them to do so.

  3. humanexcrement - Mar 7, 2013 at 10:42 AM

    Methinks the Phillies are Phucked.

    • heyblueyoustink - Mar 7, 2013 at 10:47 AM

      You don’t think Doc is a smart enough pitcher to learn how to pitch on slighly diminished velocity?

      Hmmmm, care to make a wager?

      • professormaddog31 - Mar 7, 2013 at 11:50 AM

        I’m sure he can. In fact, I know he can. The question is how long will it take him to get acclimated to pitching without the security of a high velocity fastball? Will it be a rather seamless process, or will he struggle with it for a few months?

      • heyblueyoustink - Mar 7, 2013 at 12:42 PM

        I think he might have spent the offseason working on that very thing. We’re not talking about Carlos Zambraindead here.

      • chadjones27 - Mar 7, 2013 at 1:54 PM

        I’m not a big fan of stupid nicknames, but Zambraindead. I dig it.
        On a much more relavant topic though, he’s essentially in the last year of his contract and has to prove himself for another team. He’s a machine in regards to work ethic, but, if he spent his offseason trying to get his arm strength up, it may be a recent realization that he’s not going to have his fastball. This could (I repeat, could) be a rough couple of months coming up.

    • dwdive - Mar 7, 2013 at 11:04 AM

      Methinks you are a phucking idiot.

      • fanofevilempire - Mar 7, 2013 at 11:24 AM

        oh gosh, stop cussin.

    • fanofevilempire - Mar 7, 2013 at 11:25 AM

      oh my gosh, you philthy mouth.

    • bbk1000 - Mar 7, 2013 at 2:04 PM

      haha….regardless of rooting interest this should get a thumbs up….

  4. Walk - Mar 7, 2013 at 10:46 AM

    Halladay changed his throwing motion early in his career, specifically his arm angle. When he first came up i believe he had almost a straight overhand motion often compared to an iron mike pitching machine. He changed his arm angle to get more movement sacrificing a bit of velocity. He might be a little slower now but i think for a pitcher his age he is still going to do well and still be hard to hit.

  5. randygnyc - Mar 7, 2013 at 10:59 AM

    Mayo- sure, use THE aberration as an example.

    • PhillyPhanAnalysis - Mar 7, 2013 at 12:32 PM

      We are talking about Halladay, the best pitcher of the 2000′s decade, so comparing him to one of the best pitchers in the 90′s who used movement instead of velocity to get guys out would be a fitting comparison in my estimation.

      • djpostl - Mar 7, 2013 at 12:52 PM

        Even with his declining years Randy Johnson was far better in 2000s lol.

        2000s stats: 10 seasons, 143-78, 3.34 ERA, 287 games, 1885.1 IP, 1616 hits, 2182 Ks

        Major awards: NL Cy Young (2000, 2001, 2002); 2001 World Series MVP; ERA titles (2001, 2002); led NL in strikeouts (2000, 2001, 2002, 2004).

        vs Halladay:

        2000s stats: 10 seasons, 139-69, 1883.1 IP, 1400 Ks, 3.40 ERA

        Major awards: 2003 Cy Young

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Mar 7, 2013 at 1:02 PM

        Assuming you are looking at years 2000-2009, there’s a few other pitchers that had better years than Halladay. Randy Johnson definitely, on the strength of his years in Ari and Santana even sitting in the bullpen his first two years. I’d maybe take Roy over Schilling only due to the IP difference which isn’t as big as it seems considering Schilling retired after ’07 and missed two years.

      • PhillyPhanAnalysis - Mar 7, 2013 at 5:42 PM

        Ok so you can cherry pick stats if you wanna support your analysis that “Even with his declining years Randy Johnson was far better in 2000s lol.” But if you look at the entire decade and use sound logic, there really isn’t much of a difference except that RJ definitely has more K’s, which is to be expected since the guy threw 100mph for much of his career. The difference between the other stats is pretty small, even the ones you pointed out, like ERA. Here is a comparison of 2000-2009 from fangraphs if you wanna see it all…without the cherry picking of course…

        http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2009&month=0&season1=2000&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=60,1303

        Also, their W-L records, when you look at the actual Win% it goes against what you are saying…

        Pitcher
        Win% (2000-2009)

        Halladay
        66.8%

        Johnson
        64.7%

        Help me out, which is better?

        Other notable stats for those who don’t click the link…

        Pitcher
        FIP
        ERA
        BABIP
        BB/9
        HR/9
        HR/FB
        GB%
        fWAR

        Halladay
        3.32
        3.40
        .293
        1.79
        0.72
        10.3
        56.2%
        53.8

        Johnson
        3.13
        3.34
        .298
        2.31
        1.01
        12.1
        43.2%
        55.7

        Yes, I know that some of those stats had Johnson leading, but my point is that the difference was small. It goes to show that RJ was not by far better than Doc throughout the 2000′s.

        And don’t get me wrong, I think that Randy Johnson was much more dominant than Doc ever was from 2000-2002 and 2004 because he was a strikeout pitcher, but as far as pitchability goes, Doc was always better. You could see that once Johnson didn’t have his best fastball anymore…say from 2005-2009. There is a reason that all those accolades you pointed out stopped during the second half of the decade. Take a look at the stats from 2005-2009, which is 5 seasons, or HALF of the decade that this debate is about.

        http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2009&month=0&season1=2005&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=60,1303

        And again for those of you that don’t click the link, some notables…

        Pitcher
        Inn
        ERA
        FIP
        BB%
        ERA-
        FIP-
        tERA
        fWAR

        Halladay
        1072
        3.01
        3.26
        4.0%
        67
        74
        3.58
        30.6

        Johnson
        767.1
        4.28
        4.00
        6.1%
        97
        91
        4.00
        14.0

        As you can see, Halladay was much better than RJ throughout the second half of the 2000′s. And interestingly enough, if you remove just one year (2000, an outlier for Halladay where he had a 10.64 ERA in just 67.2 innings) which was before he really learned how to pitch, the results tilt back to Halladay’s side with the strikeouts being one of the few exceptions.

        http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2009&month=0&season1=2001&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=60,1303

        I think that if we are talking about careers, then Johnson most certainly gets the nod. The guy pitched over a span of 3 different decades and 20+ years, becoming dominant in the early 90′s and, with the exception of a few outlier seasons, dominated until 2004. The thing is, I’m solely speaking to the best pitcher from 2000-2009, and I simply can’t put him in front of Halladay because of those last 5 seasons.

        Other than 2000, Halladay was as consistent as anybody I have ever seen in one decade, and did it without throwing 100mph. Instead, he learned how to pitch with pinpoint accuracy and intelligence which, in my opinion, was unparalleled in that decade.

        If I have failed to sway your opinion, then I suppose we must agree to disagree. Thanks for the debate though, I live for this shit. haha

      • PhillyPhanAnalysis - Mar 7, 2013 at 5:48 PM

        Not sure why my html tables didn’t come out right, sorry if they are hard to figure out. They were supposed to be lined up correctly.

  6. dwdive - Mar 7, 2013 at 11:03 AM

    Not sure what this guy is talking about? This is the first negative story about Roy all of spring training. All the reports and stories I’ve read say that his velocity is better than last years, and that he’s looked pretty good so far. Besides, Halladay healthy and pitching at 80-85% of his Cy days, is still pretty damn good. Wonder what the headlines will be when this team is fighting with the Nats for the division and making the playoffs?

    • djpostl - Mar 7, 2013 at 12:53 PM

      So am I. Since it won’t happen anywhere outside of your head lol.

      They’ll be fighting for third place.

      • dwdive - Mar 7, 2013 at 2:52 PM

        This team is 16 months removed from a 102 win season. 2 of their Ace’s missed a 3rd of their starts and their 2 best hitter didn’t play half the season. This team was soo banged up with the perfect storm of injuries and just plain bad luck with the bullpen, it was almost unbelievable that they even climbed back to 81-81. This team is fully healthy, other than D Young, and he’s probably going to be a Platoon/Depth guy in the OF anyways. With Howard, Utley, Rollins, Halladay, Lee, and M Young, all healthy and looking pretty good in spring training thus far, this team will compete with the Nats for the Div and at the very least get a Wild Card PO spot. Not to mention is looks like D. Brown is finally looking like this is going to be his break-out season and prove why he’s been their best prospect for the past 2 and half yrs. Add Revere in Center, Adams as the set-up man, and young pitching prospects ready to contribute in the Pen as well as the rotation, this team will compete. I’m amazed that the media and the rest of you dopes buy into the Braves. Their rotation isn’t any better than last yr, they lost Bourne, Prado, and Chipper. You think the WAY over-rated Upton brothers make up for losing them guys, AND make them better than last years team? Good luck with that. Neither one has ever really hit for average (outside of 1 season for Justin), they strike out 350 times a yr combined, and have average power (less than 20 HR’s a yr). Neither one walks enough to exploit teams with their speed, and they gave up way too much money, picks, and prospects to acquire the 2 of them. You will see, give it a month or 2 of the season, and the Upton brothers will prove that the Braves are as over rated as they are.

      • djpostl - Mar 7, 2013 at 5:55 PM

        Cry me a river. Good teams overcome adversity. The Phillies lost around 1400 player days to injuries last year. The O’s lost same amount…made playoffs. The Yankees lost 1800 (including Pettite for six weeks, CC on two DFL stints, Robertson for over a month, Chamberlain for half a season, Mo for the entire season…and that just covers the pitchers) yet they won the division.

        The Phillies had a rough go of it but other teams had it just as bad (or worse) and still made it into October baseball.

        The Phillies need their “aces” to be aces and not get hurt for so much as a couple weeks. Unlikely.

        Their offense is a shadow of what it used to be.

        Utley is one groundball away from the DL.

        Howard is looking good this spring..but it’s spring.

        The bullpen is pretty much crap. Papelbon’s deal was the dumbest thing handed out in some time because there were no less than 15 or so closers/former closers on market.

        The Nationals (not my team) are going to run laps on the Phils & the Braves will be better than them too.

      • PhillyPhanAnalysis - Mar 7, 2013 at 5:47 PM

        Time will tell…

      • PhillyPhanAnalysis - Mar 7, 2013 at 7:53 PM

        Wow djpostl, there are so many things wrong with that comment it is ridiculous.

        We missed the two most important offensive pieces on the team for pretty much the first half of the year. Just going by how many player days the team missed doesn’t even approach sensible reasoning.

        And gee, what do you know, when we got Utley, Howard, and Doc back, we played the rest of the year on a pace that would win about 95 wins throughout 162 games. Coincidence? I doubt it.

        Howard and Utley being in the lineup changes the way that every other player in the lineup is pitched, in turn making them more effective. Howard wasn’t even close to being 100% and he still had what, 14 homers and 56 rbi’s in 71 games?

        Then to the point about the bullpen. Last year we ended up having to rely on a lot of young arms in high leverage situations. We lost 13 games in which we entered the 8th inning with a lead, and that number jumps to 20 when you include going into the 8th inning tied. The second half of the season we had a couple guys brought up from Triple A and Bastardo started throwing MUCH better in the 2nd half.

        1st half- 5.34 ERA, .725 OppOPS, 1.465 WHIP
        2nd half- 3.09 ERA, .581 OppOPS, 1.029 WHIP

        Aumont, Valdes, Horst, and DeFratus did pretty good in the latter portions of the year as well. So with all those young guys getting some much needed experience, and the Phils adding one of the best setup men in baseball, our bullpen will be pretty damn good this year.

        Papelbon was definitely overpaid, but that doesn’t change the fact that he is one of the best closers in baseball. Now that we have Adams to solidify the 8th, I would bet that we would have held 10 of those 13 leads that we lost in the 8th inning last year. That would have made us a 91 win team, and in the playoffs, even with all the other problems we had.

        Say what you want, because you obviously have no idea whats going on with the Phillies, but you will see soon enough.

        By the way, if the Nats aren’t you’re team, then who is? The Mets, Braves? Marlins?

      • djpostl - Mar 12, 2013 at 5:57 PM

        Yeah that resurgence had nothing to do with a schedule flush with games versus sub-.500 teams lol. Astros, marlins & Mets featured heavily in that thing last 2+ months.

        How’d Doc look today?

      • PhillyPhanAnalysis - Mar 12, 2013 at 7:18 PM

        1 game out of how many? In spring training? Good one, I’ll be sure to (yawn) listen to what you are saying.

        Get a life. It wouldn’t have matter if it was today or 2 months from now. If Halladay had a bad day you were gonna come back and say it proves your point, yet it proves nothing, except that you don’t know baseball of course.

      • djpostl - Mar 17, 2013 at 3:32 PM

        How’d he look today? And what are you smoking with “one game”? His ERA is over 7.00 this spring. He had one good game, the rest have been pure shit.

      • PhillyPhanAnalysis - Mar 17, 2013 at 3:38 PM

        Wow, you really are a hater, arent you?

        But if I must, he didn’t actually look that bad today for the one inning he was out there. But his face was redder than normal so maybe they are telling the truth about the stomach virus. Pap seems to have the same thing.

        The fact of the matter is, they still have not said anything about an injury. If he is healthy, he will be fine.

      • djpostl - Mar 23, 2013 at 5:33 PM

        Any excuses for his craptastic performance today? Versus minor leaguers no less?

        I would point out that being objective doesn’t make you a hater but it would fall on deaf ears.

        I like Halladay. I think he’s a great teammate, an exemplary talent, a hard worker and carries himself the way a big leaguer should.

        But I have eyes and am not blinded by being a Phillies fan.

        He’s not right. He is NOWHERE near what we’ve grown accustomed from him.

        And that is bad news for the Phillies.

        Open your eyes.

      • PhillyPhanAnalysis - Mar 23, 2013 at 5:36 PM

        Think what you want. Everyone has a right to an opinion. Some are just more knowledgable than others.

        Lemme know what you feel in June. Til then, get away from me kid, you’re bothering me.

      • djpostl - Apr 3, 2013 at 9:02 PM

        Ahem. How’d Halladay look tonight?

      • PhillyPhanAnalysis - Apr 3, 2013 at 9:19 PM

        There was good and bad. Velocity was up a tick, had 9 K’s, but when he missed his spots, it was over the middle of the plate.

        His curve and change looked good, though, and if he can get control of his fastball he will be just fine.

        Keep pointing the bad out in the beginning of the season. You probably believed the world was gonna end last December. Was that you I saw on “doomsday preppers” the other day?

        We are still here, and Halladay has time to figure out his issues. So like I said in my last response to your snarky ass comment, get back at me in JUNE, not after his first outting. Don’t you have a bunker to build?

      • djpostl - Apr 8, 2013 at 8:01 PM

        With each start we keep coming back to the same conversation. Me pointing out that Halladay just isn’t sharp, his pitches don’t have that nasty “heavy as a bowling ball” action to them…and you in denial.

      • PhillyPhanAnalysis - Apr 8, 2013 at 10:04 PM

        If that is what you have been getting from this ongoing commenting, you may be even more inept than I originally thought.

        If he is telling the truth, and he is 100% healthy, then it has to be mechanical. Would I rather him not have to work through such a thing on the big stage? You’re damn skippy. Can he? If anyone can, it’s him.

        Don’t worry, unlike you, I’ve watched every single pitch, instead of just looking at his line waiting to be a snarky little wanker.

        Am I worried? Sure, I am. Am I going to overreact after his second start if he is still saying he is healthy and half of his pitches look great and the other half are terrible? That is a resounding no.

        Don’t get me wrong here, I’m not expecting a miraculous return to ace type stuff, but I would also be surprised if he can’t bring himself back to being a productive #3 starter pitching out of the #2 spot to keep the lefties broken up.

        Now, if there is an issue he isn’t mentioning with his shoulder, then he may never get back to even #3 stuff, but I don’t know that, so I have to keep thinking it is mechanical. If you actually watch him pitch you will see that he is not repeating, but that would be too much for you, I know.

        Oh yeah, is it June yet? How is that bunker coming along?

      • PhillyPhanAnalysis - Apr 20, 2013 at 2:08 AM

        (Crickets chirping)

      • PhillyPhanAnalysis - Apr 25, 2013 at 1:36 PM

        Haven’t heard anything from you in a while. Wonder why…?

      • dwdive - Mar 7, 2013 at 8:38 PM

        djpostl– you obviously are just a troll and really don’t have any idea of injuries suffered by this team last yr. You can try and skew whatever numbers you want with missed games or whatever other nonsense you are trying to blab about, but NO team lost their 2 best hitters for more than half a season, NO team lost 2 Cy Young candidates for almost half of the season either. Not to mention a number of other starters missing games, like Polly, Ruiz, Rollins, and Worley. Seriously, you are an idiot, and you will see this season. Braves will be fighting for third place while the Nats and Phillies are fighting for the Div. Nobody is running circles around this team, not as healthy as they are right now.

  7. brandonmckenna76 - Mar 7, 2013 at 11:14 AM

    The article didn’t mention that he beat Strasburg yesterday with four, shutout, two-hit innings. Knowing how to pitch is infinitely more important than velocity. And Doc is the master.

    • lingsched - Mar 7, 2013 at 12:03 PM

      This was the Nationals lineup yesterday:

      Span
      Lombardozzi
      Rendon
      Moore
      Brown
      Marrero
      Rivero
      Skole
      Solano

      How many of those guys will be out there on opening day?

      • tuberippin - Mar 7, 2013 at 5:11 PM

        1/3 to 1/2 of that lineup

    • djpostl - Mar 7, 2013 at 12:56 PM

      Lol because wins matter…ESPECIALLY in spring training.

      Nobody looks at wins lol. If they did Seattle and KC would be odds on favorites to win it all this year.

      Spring is arm strength, developing a feel for your offspeed stuff etc…

      You literally see days where a guy throws 60% of his pitches as curves just to work on it, ignoring the actual in-game situation entirely.

      Hitters pick up on it then start getting some good rips and it appears that a guy “got shelled”.

      • PhillyPhanAnalysis - Mar 7, 2013 at 5:56 PM

        please keep brushing the phils under the rug like they don’t exist, that will just make it all the sweeter every time we win.

        I’m not saying we will overtake the Nats for the division, and honestly, I don’t care. If we get into the playoffs, and I really do think we will, watch out.

        But yeah, you’re right, Halladay is cooked. Stick a fork in him.

  8. carbydrash - Mar 7, 2013 at 11:26 AM

    Doc is hitting the age of uncertainty. He’s coming off an injury, a season in which he had by far his worst ERA since he was 23 and is entering his late 30s. I’m pretty confident he will still be a good pitcher, but the concerns about his velocity and future performance do have a foundation in reality. It’s not a slight to say that a 36-year-old coming off injury, the 2nd worst year of his career with declining velocity *probably* isn’t going to be the same Cy Young caliber guy he was.

  9. mungman69 - Mar 7, 2013 at 11:28 AM

    Doc is still on a spring training Halliday.

  10. gmfw7 - Mar 7, 2013 at 11:49 AM

    as a phillies fan i don’t like to hear that his velocity has dropped, but the author of this article left out a few really important points. 1. halladay’s struggles last season were a combination of lost velocity and a shoulder problem which he claims had him over-throwing from unusual arm slots and not being able to spot his pitches as well. 2. doc is healthy, and even if his fast ball is between 89-91, he will have a much better year than last. 3. with that 86-88 fastball, doc absolutely shut down the nationals regular lineup for 4 innings yesterday. in fact, he made a few guys look flat out silly with swings and misses on his off speed stuff. 4. if it’s true, and doc is cooked, he won’t reach the required number of innings this year, and his contract won’t get picked up next season, so that’ll be $25 million coming off the phillies books to add a couple arms. the phillies are far from “phucked”.

    • kinggw - Mar 7, 2013 at 12:24 PM

      Halladay shut down the Nationals regular lineup, dont think so. There was no Desmond, Espi, Zim, Harper, Werth, LaRoche, Suzuki or Ramos. The only starter was Span.

      I wouldnt get too excited over Halladay dealing to a bunch of guys headed for Syracuse in a few weeks.

      • PhillyPhanAnalysis - Mar 7, 2013 at 12:36 PM

        He did make Span look silly one more than a couple pitches. Isn’t he a contact hitter? He wasn’t making very good contact, if any, on most swings.

      • kinggw - Mar 7, 2013 at 12:50 PM

        Halladay didn’t strike him out, so he must’ve done something right.

      • gmfw7 - Mar 7, 2013 at 2:36 PM

        you’re right, i didn’t look at the box score and didn’t realize how many regulars were out of the line-up. seems silly that they wouldn’t have the regulars playing in a game with doc and strasburg pitching, spring or not. still though, the rest of my comment stands as is. no matter who was in the line-up for the nats yesterday, halladay looked excellent regardless of his fastball velocity. anyone who disagrees with that is an idiot.

      • PhillyPhanAnalysis - Mar 7, 2013 at 6:36 PM

        No span didn’t strike out, but he swing and missed a couple times, and on his first ground out in the first inning he was swinging at a pitch by his ankles and weakly grounded it to Howard. Halladay’s pitches are moving as much, if not more, than they ever have from what I can see.

    • djpostl - Mar 7, 2013 at 12:58 PM

      You have an odd opinion on what the Nationals “regular line-up” is. Hint: Read a friggin’ boxcsore THEN comment

      • gmfw7 - Mar 7, 2013 at 2:32 PM

        you’re right it wasn’t their regular line-up. my apologies. however the rest of my comment still holds water.

  11. PhillyPhanAnalysis - Mar 7, 2013 at 12:41 PM

    Did anybody saying Halladay is done or the “Phillies are phucked” watch the game yesterday? His stuff was filthy. His change up was dropping off a table and his command was ridiculous. With what I saw yesterday I don’t think the regular lineup would have had that much better of results. They certainly would have done a little more, but not as much as most of you are implying when you state that it wasn’t even against the regulars.

    I’m telling you, his stuff was sick as malaria yesterday, in a good way.

  12. sportsdrenched - Mar 7, 2013 at 2:33 PM

    Always good to see “passionate” Philly fans coming in here to replace the ones that left or were banned.

    Anyway, “Not Cy Young Caliber” can still be “really good” and is certainly not “phucked”.

    • dwdive - Mar 7, 2013 at 2:58 PM

      Exactly my point. It’s not like the guy is in the mid 80′s with no movement on his fastball. He will be in the 89-92 range when the season starts and his ball has really good movement on it thus far. This is the 1st negative article on Halladay coming out of spring training this yr. Like I said earlier, even a healthy Doc at 85% of his Cy Young yr, is still a very good pitcher and far from Phucked. Lots of Philly hate this offseason and spring training so far. They still have a lot of talent on that roster, even if some of them are 32-34 yrs old…

      • PhillyPhanAnalysis - Mar 7, 2013 at 8:06 PM

        Up until yesterday’s game all the reports were saying that his velocity was right where it should be. It is totally understandable that it was down a tick or two on his 3rd appearance. Hamels looked like his velocity was down a little too the other day. I’m not worried about it at all. He looked sharp as hell. Let all the haters that are seeing the Phillies do relatively well this spring and are getting a little anxious deep down try to pump their chests up by trying to break down Phillies fans hopes.

        Guess what, it won’t work. We know when our team is doing good and when they aren’t. I feel a lot better now than I did before spring training. I know it is only spring training, but Halladay is healthy, Howard is healthy and hitting, Utley is healthy and hitting, Dom Brown is mashing, etc etc.

        I love having a logical rebuttal for all these guys that cherry pick stats that don’t even make sense or just use totally ridiculous premises for their reasons why the Phillies won’t succeed this year. They are really gonna hate it when we slide back into the playoffs for the 6th year out of 7.

  13. jpash42 - Mar 7, 2013 at 6:30 PM

    Every article I have read from David Murphy is negative. I’ll worry when the real games start.

    • bbk1000 - Apr 9, 2013 at 6:36 AM

      They have started, are you worried yet? The best pitcher in the division is Matt Harvey….

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