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Touring the Citi Field Amway

Mar 7, 2013, 9:00 AM EST

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We recently talked about Amway putting in a store at Citi Field. Howard Megdal, the man who first reported that development, took a tour of the place and wrote it up for Sports on Earth.  And he had an epiphany:

 I think I know why the connection has resonated so much … Both the devotees of the New York Mets and Amway are being asked to believe in a product, a present, a future, without very much data to support it.

Zing.

It’s a good writeup, especially if like me you’re skeptical of the Mets and/or multi-tiered marketing or whatever pyramid schemes call themselves to make it seem like they’re pyramid schemes.

  1. chill1184 - Mar 7, 2013 at 9:13 AM

    Megdal is such a broken record it’s not even funny at this point. Its funny though since Amway also sponsors the Red Wings, San Jose Earthquakes, LA Sol and owns the naming rights the arena that the Orlando Magic plays. However since those silly things are facts, clowns like Megdal, Deadspin and others they’re omitted from their “writings”. I’m not surprised though, since screaming at the top of one’s lungs sells more than facts. Just ask our “leaders” in Washington D.C.

    However one can also can be tied to writers’ personal politics. Amway is widely known to support conservative politicians and within it’s own culture is built on religious right principals. Not that I support any of that being a libertarian and all, all I care is that Amway pays their rent that was set by Wilpon.

    • nategearhart - Mar 7, 2013 at 10:04 AM

      I don’t follow; what does Amway’s sponsoring those other teams have to do with their relationship with the Mets?
      And are you saying that people who claim to not like/trust pyramid schemes are actually just not into their politics/religion?

      • chill1184 - Mar 7, 2013 at 10:20 AM

        Because of Amway’s previous controversy, Megdal and other agenda driven propagandists attempt to create a narrative that the team is working with another criminal. When in fact the Mets aren’t only team to have a business relationship with Amway. When Amway’s scandal broke out you didnt hear “writers” claim for the other teams to drop their partnerships with Amway. It was just shrugged off and everyone moved on. However since the Mets the media wants to scream to any moron who will listen that the team is still working with criminals post Madoff.

        The political angle is just another theory I’m throwing around. I don’t know Megdal’s politics but given the reaction to when Bill Mahr bought a share of the team it wouldn’t surprise me that a particular writer’s politics would be apart of said agenda.

      • mrfloydpink - Mar 7, 2013 at 10:40 AM

        “Megdal and other agenda driven propagandists”

        So, let me get this straight. You believe that when Howard Megdal wakes up in the morning, his first thought is not:

        “What would make a good story?” or “What angle could I cover that would generate interest/page views?” or “What are my readers interested in?”

        but instead:

        “What can I do today in order to stick it to the Mets?”

        Is my understanding correct?

      • chill1184 - Mar 7, 2013 at 11:24 AM

        @mrfloydpink

        Anyone who follows the joke that mainstream “journalism” has become knows that negatively and sensationalism sells and creates page views. Megdal is no different from clowns like Joel Sherman and John Heyman other than the amount of exposure he gets vs Sherman and Heyman.

        In addition in MLB for the media the Mets are an easy target despite the problems with fellow big market teams; 1. Boston Red Sox (Valentine vs players fight, 2011 collaspe, first losing season since 97, etc) and 2. Pittsburgh Pirates (two decades of losing seasons). However the Red Sox and Pirates have it’s defenders in the MSM, the Mets do not. Its easier to mess with the kid thats alone than the kid who at least one or two close friends.

        For further on my point I would ask you to read these two pieces

        http://paullebowitz.com/blog/?p=7905

        http://paullebowitz.com/blog/?p=7892

    • paperlions - Mar 7, 2013 at 10:52 AM

      Didn’t read the story, did you? Because Megdal mentions other Amway affiliations and wonders why no one cares about those but they do about the “store” at Citi Field.

      There isn’t anything in Medgal’s story that isn’t factual, and it is fairly informative within the context of both the Mets current situation and the continuing scam that is Amway.

      Feel free to point out where he is factually wrong. Right now, you are just complaining because you don’t like the facts.

      • davidsteadson - Mar 7, 2013 at 10:59 AM

        Actually there’s a lot in Megdal’s articles that aren’t factual. I’ve tried pointing that out in comments both in the capital new york article, and his new sportsonearth article and the comments are not being posted. I challenged him on twitter about this and he claims ignorance. The sportsonearth comments are handled via disqus and require active deletion on the part of whoever has control over comments on his website.

      • paperlions - Mar 7, 2013 at 11:01 AM

        Okay, which facts in this article are not facts?

      • chrisny3 - Mar 7, 2013 at 6:37 PM

        The best one can say about Megdal is that he endlessly warps the truth. But at times his information is in fact incorrect or highly misleading. For example, here are two examples from his latest article:

        He’s managed to hold on so far, getting help from Major League Baseball, then a bridge loan from Bank of America in November 2011, then by selling minority shares in the team in March of 2012 to raise $240 million, then by borrowing additionally against SNY in December 2012 for another $160 million.

        This implies that the Mets went deeper into debt in December, yet that can’t be ascertained from what has been reported. The $160 million was actually part of a refinancing of existing debt — at lower monthly costs and interest rates — and the media even speculated the excess $160 million the Mets owners got back might have been used to draw down other debt. Anyone who understands finance knows that refinancing at a lower interest rate is a good thing. Moreover, the banks won’t let you refinance unless your house is in order to begin with. Leave it up to Megdal to try to turn it into a negative. While he didn’t lie, he misled, failing totally to put the $160 million into the proper context of a favorable refinancing.

        One person who didn’t think they would be able to was Irving Picard, trustee for the Bernie Madoff victims … So what happened? Picard determined, with full forensic evidence from Wilpon, both business and personal, that he simply didn’t have the money to pay if Picard won at trial.

        This is hilarious spin from Megdal, who says this was the reason Picard capitulated. Yet Picard said in his statement that he didn’t get the financial documents from the Mets owners until after the settlement was made. So he didn’t know their exact cash flow at the time he gave in.

        The reason Picard capitulated was more likely due to the fact the federal judge presiding over things had cut the lawsuit to a fraction of what it originally was, had called the plaintiff’s case “weak,” and was openly skeptical of many of Picard’s claims in the other lawsuits he was handling. I think Picard saw the writing on the wall and didn’t want to risk a total loss. So he settled for a pittance of the original amount in the suit, and the Mets owners essentially won. Since Megdal had invested so much emotion and effort in a Picard victory, it’s been hard for him to accept this, and so he’s been in Spin City ever since.

        These are just two areas where I think Megdal has misled or written incorrect information. You want more? I have other issues with that article, but I didn’t want to write a thesis.

        Since you think I work for the Wilpons, I know you’ll dismiss anything I say. So just read what Joe DeCaro, the owner of Mets Merized Online, one of the most popular Mets websites, had to say today about Megdal’s latest effort:

        It’s a wonderful 450 words, but the problem was that the piece was more like 3,247 words and the rest of it was the same old “Bernie Madoff – Irving Picard – CRG – Bankruptcy – Gloom & Doom” tirade we’ve all come to expect from Howard seemingly once a week …

        I think of him now as the Mets version of Geraldo Rivera. His claim to fame was getting 30 million viewers to watch him open Al Capone’s secret vault only to find a few empty bottles of wine after a year long build-up. It still made for good television, but I still can’t see what Megdal’s end game is with the Mets and their owners.

        And here’s a comment about Megdal left by one fan in response to Joe DeCaro that I think is particularly spot-on:

        It’s almost as if he needs to prove that all his earlier speculations will eventually be proven right while explaining why he was just temporarily wrong regarding his initial assessment of how the Picard situation would end up.

        In any case it seems his fixation with the Wilpons waiting for the day the can’t pay their debt has reached Moby Dick levels but I know he is not alone in that fixation so as long as he has an audience I guess he will continue to write about it.

        And, yet another Mets fan:

        Clearly Megdal has some sort of mental issues and is fixated on the demise of the Wilpons. He is like their una-bomber only instead of exploding packages he writes explosive articles. Both are destructive and undeserved. As long as people keep buying what he’s shoveling he will continue on his course because his ego is bigger than Mr. Met’s head and that’s what drives him more than the facts.

        Yes, there are a few Mets fans who still buy into Megdal’s BS, but even many of the Wilpons critics have grown tired of Megdal’s empty rants.

        It seems that those like yourself and Craig — fans of other teams who like to troll Mets fans — are Megdal’s biggest fans these days. If he has an itch, he can always depend on Craig to come running and scratch it for him.

        You guys can keep on scratching if you want … while many Mets fans will simply mock him. Ahab. The Unabomber. Geraldo Rivera! LOL.

      • davidsteadson - Mar 8, 2013 at 2:48 AM

        Paperlions,

        I managed to get some comments in regarding Megdal’s claims over on the SportsOnEarth article (http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/42361768/) before a moderator admitted deleting my earlier comment and threatening to delete any more if I comment again. You can read what I wrote there before that happened. I had one more to write regarding his claims about the Amway class action settlement, which show some blatant misrepresentations of the facts. Frankly I think the problem is he simply believed his source, Robert FitzPatrick, who fed him his usual BS.

    • thebadguyswon - Mar 7, 2013 at 12:31 PM

      If Craig was responsible, and not biased, he would point out Howard Megdal’s past with the Mets. But alas….

  2. chacochicken - Mar 7, 2013 at 9:16 AM

    Its good to be pharaoh.
    I think during home night games David Wright should come in early and give demonstrations and say how happy he is to be part of the Amway family.

    • historiophiliac - Mar 7, 2013 at 9:43 AM

      There should be some kind of 7th inning stretch demonstration too, yes?

      • fanofevilempire - Mar 7, 2013 at 11:14 AM

        free sample bags,,,,,,,,,,,,, whoooooooooo hoooooooooooo

      • historiophiliac - Mar 7, 2013 at 12:42 PM

        I think that would be A LOT better than the Indians’ Bil-Jac giveaway night.

  3. heyblueyoustink - Mar 7, 2013 at 9:24 AM

    If they make Tobi Vail a cashier, I might just pay a visit,

  4. temporarilyexiled - Mar 7, 2013 at 10:21 AM

    Does it count double if you show the plan to fans sitting next to you at the game?

    • jwbiii - Mar 7, 2013 at 5:55 PM

      No, but you get half off your tickets if you bring friends or family.

  5. thebadguyswon - Mar 7, 2013 at 12:30 PM

    For full disclosure, you should provide some background on Howard Megdal, and his agenda, first.

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