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	<title>Comments on: Report: MLB is &#8220;actively going after&#8221; any players linked to the Biogenesis clinic</title>
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		<title>By: gloccamorra</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gloccamorra]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 00:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;hCG does have legitimate uses in men with low testosterone, but I’m not sure if it’s covered under the Therapeutic Use Exemption.&quot;

You can get an exemption, but you have to ask first, and renew the request every year, which is dumb since like blood pressure medicine, you need to take it continuously. 

Edinson Volquez was busted while on the DL for Tommy John because he couldn&#039;t find the non-banned drug the Reds doctor had him on, and his doctor in the DR put him on the restricted drug. MLB knew what he was being treated for and that he couldn&#039;t pitch for another 6 months anyway, and let him serve his suspension on the DL. But he was suspended because he didn&#039;t ask first.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;hCG does have legitimate uses in men with low testosterone, but I’m not sure if it’s covered under the Therapeutic Use Exemption.&#8221;</p>
<p>You can get an exemption, but you have to ask first, and renew the request every year, which is dumb since like blood pressure medicine, you need to take it continuously. </p>
<p>Edinson Volquez was busted while on the DL for Tommy John because he couldn&#8217;t find the non-banned drug the Reds doctor had him on, and his doctor in the DR put him on the restricted drug. MLB knew what he was being treated for and that he couldn&#8217;t pitch for another 6 months anyway, and let him serve his suspension on the DL. But he was suspended because he didn&#8217;t ask first.</p>
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		<title>By: badintent</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[badintent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Mar 2013 06:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t tell Mel Gibson about sacrificial victime. His movie had so many Inca hearts being cut out , I thought he was drunk and screaming about Jews.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t tell Mel Gibson about sacrificial victime. His movie had so many Inca hearts being cut out , I thought he was drunk and screaming about Jews.</p>
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		<title>By: beefytrout</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[beefytrout]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Mar 2013 06:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reading is fundamental.

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/8963926/documents-south-florida-clinic-heart-mlb-performance-enhancing-drugs-investigation-link-five-baseball-players

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/eye-on-baseball/21733162

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/report-gio-gonzalez-passed-post-biogenesis-drug-test-193054217--mlb.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading is fundamental.</p>
<p><a href="http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/8963926/documents-south-florida-clinic-heart-mlb-performance-enhancing-drugs-investigation-link-five-baseball-players" rel="nofollow">http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/8963926/documents-south-florida-clinic-heart-mlb-performance-enhancing-drugs-investigation-link-five-baseball-players</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/eye-on-baseball/21733162" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/eye-on-baseball/21733162</a></p>
<p><a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/report-gio-gonzalez-passed-post-biogenesis-drug-test-193054217--mlb.html" rel="nofollow">http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/report-gio-gonzalez-passed-post-biogenesis-drug-test-193054217&#8211;mlb.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: vivabear</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vivabear]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Mar 2013 05:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s hard to say, I don&#039;t think MLB ever issued any kind of official explanation or report. The info out there suggests Manny had a 4:1 T/E ratio - which is out of the normal range. An investigation ensued, and they didn&#039;t really need to go any further than finding he had a prescription for HCG, banned without a TUE by MLB. To me, he technically failed the test - but appartenty no illegal substance was identified in his system.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard to say, I don&#8217;t think MLB ever issued any kind of official explanation or report. The info out there suggests Manny had a 4:1 T/E ratio &#8211; which is out of the normal range. An investigation ensued, and they didn&#8217;t really need to go any further than finding he had a prescription for HCG, banned without a TUE by MLB. To me, he technically failed the test &#8211; but appartenty no illegal substance was identified in his system.</p>
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		<title>By: echech88</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[echech88]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Mar 2013 04:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So then Braun&#039;s has been as well, right?

Because apparently whatever Gio says is true and could in no way be in his own desire to protect himself against suspension.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So then Braun&#8217;s has been as well, right?</p>
<p>Because apparently whatever Gio says is true and could in no way be in his own desire to protect himself against suspension.</p>
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		<title>By: joerymi</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[joerymi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Mar 2013 02:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Going hard after a 28 year old career minor leaguer. Cute. Ryan Braun and A-Rod must be trembling in their boots.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Going hard after a 28 year old career minor leaguer. Cute. Ryan Braun and A-Rod must be trembling in their boots.</p>
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		<title>By: baseballer28</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[baseballer28]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Mar 2013 01:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He should get 50 for beng on those documents.  Washington Nationals bunch roided f tards.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He should get 50 for beng on those documents.  Washington Nationals bunch roided f tards.</p>
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		<title>By: baseballer28</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[baseballer28]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Mar 2013 01:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gio Gonzalez IS a roider.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gio Gonzalez IS a roider.</p>
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		<title>By: beefytrout</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/16/report-mlb-is-actively-going-after-any-players-linked-to-the-biogenesis-clinic/comment-page-1/#comment-457231</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[beefytrout]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Mar 2013 01:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It means that from almost the very beginning of this story, it&#039;s been public knowledge that Gio Gonzalez&#039;s ties to Biogenesis had nothing to do with PED&#039;s.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It means that from almost the very beginning of this story, it&#8217;s been public knowledge that Gio Gonzalez&#8217;s ties to Biogenesis had nothing to do with PED&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Mar 2013 23:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;but there need not be a failed test to suspend a major league player as part of the drug program. It happened to Manny his first suspension.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Are you sure about this?  All the reports I&#039;m finding via google mention a failed drug test (with some noting that they found artificial testosterone as well).  hCG does have legitimate uses in men with low testosterone, but I&#039;m not sure if it&#039;s covered under the Therapeutic Use Exemption.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>but there need not be a failed test to suspend a major league player as part of the drug program. It happened to Manny his first suspension.</p></blockquote>
<p>Are you sure about this?  All the reports I&#8217;m finding via google mention a failed drug test (with some noting that they found artificial testosterone as well).  hCG does have legitimate uses in men with low testosterone, but I&#8217;m not sure if it&#8217;s covered under the Therapeutic Use Exemption.</p>
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		<title>By: historiophiliac</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[historiophiliac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Mar 2013 22:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I took Ancient Greek from a Jesuit -- it was tough (and no free thinking there). lol  Agreed on the generalization though.

BTW, it looks like OKC might lose their Astros affiliation.  That stinks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I took Ancient Greek from a Jesuit &#8212; it was tough (and no free thinking there). lol  Agreed on the generalization though.</p>
<p>BTW, it looks like OKC might lose their Astros affiliation.  That stinks.</p>
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		<title>By: bigharold</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bigharold]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Mar 2013 22:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Never underestimate the stupidity and hubris of an entrenched bureaucracy.  

Yeah, they could be that stupid.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never underestimate the stupidity and hubris of an entrenched bureaucracy.  </p>
<p>Yeah, they could be that stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: stairwayto7</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stairwayto7]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Mar 2013 22:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Suspends whites and Latinos but not blacks?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suspends whites and Latinos but not blacks?</p>
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		<title>By: stex52</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stex52]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Mar 2013 21:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That probably sounded a little more harsh than it was, philiac. I confess to a certain affinity for the Jesuits. They were always the scholars and adventurers who got themselves in trouble for a little too much free thinking.

But no generalization is perfect over 500 years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That probably sounded a little more harsh than it was, philiac. I confess to a certain affinity for the Jesuits. They were always the scholars and adventurers who got themselves in trouble for a little too much free thinking.</p>
<p>But no generalization is perfect over 500 years.</p>
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		<title>By: jdouble777</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jdouble777]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Mar 2013 20:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What does that even mean?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does that even mean?</p>
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		<title>By: paperlions</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paperlions]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Mar 2013 20:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Exactly.  MLB does not need a failed test, just documented and verified evidence that you took a banned substance.  Of course, the Biogenisis stuff is not verified....and suspending a guy because he lied to you about a personal relationship is 12 kinds of bullshit.....there isn&#039;t a single owner or MLB administrator that could survive a month without getting suspended for lying to fans or politicians about their business or profits....bunch of fucking hypocrites.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly.  MLB does not need a failed test, just documented and verified evidence that you took a banned substance.  Of course, the Biogenisis stuff is not verified&#8230;.and suspending a guy because he lied to you about a personal relationship is 12 kinds of bullshit&#8230;..there isn&#8217;t a single owner or MLB administrator that could survive a month without getting suspended for lying to fans or politicians about their business or profits&#8230;.bunch of fucking hypocrites.</p>
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		<title>By: thebadguyswon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thebadguyswon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Mar 2013 19:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I bet that reporter from a couple weeks ago nailed it.  And that Braun, Cano, Gio are going down for 50.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bet that reporter from a couple weeks ago nailed it.  And that Braun, Cano, Gio are going down for 50.</p>
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		<title>By: bla bla bla</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bla bla bla]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Mar 2013 19:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So having one&#039;s name scrawled on a piece of notebook paper equates to being &quot;linked to by documents&quot;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So having one&#8217;s name scrawled on a piece of notebook paper equates to being &#8220;linked to by documents&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: cur68</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cur68]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Mar 2013 19:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[MLB must have something. I certainly hope they can&#039;t do this without some evidence of guilt. Handwritten notes of someone with a medical degree from Belize, self-written aggrandizing, misspelled, overblown biographical &quot;press releases&quot;, and who&#039;s reported stories don&#039;t match up date-wise or fact-wise isn&#039;t compelling evidence. I could do better than Anthony Bosch&#039;s notes on this very website with some google work and a knowledge of doping. 

If it turns out that Bud &amp; Co. are railroading this kid based solely on Bosch&#039;s notes . . . well, I&#039;m failing to see how someone with access to a lawyer could fail to bring suit and have an excellent case against MLB. 

MLB has lawyers and they MUST know this. Ergo, they must have some real evidence beyond Bosch&#039;s notes. If they don&#039;t . . . they are asking for Braun 2.0. They can&#039;t be THAT stupid . . . can they?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MLB must have something. I certainly hope they can&#8217;t do this without some evidence of guilt. Handwritten notes of someone with a medical degree from Belize, self-written aggrandizing, misspelled, overblown biographical &#8220;press releases&#8221;, and who&#8217;s reported stories don&#8217;t match up date-wise or fact-wise isn&#8217;t compelling evidence. I could do better than Anthony Bosch&#8217;s notes on this very website with some google work and a knowledge of doping. </p>
<p>If it turns out that Bud &amp; Co. are railroading this kid based solely on Bosch&#8217;s notes . . . well, I&#8217;m failing to see how someone with access to a lawyer could fail to bring suit and have an excellent case against MLB. </p>
<p>MLB has lawyers and they MUST know this. Ergo, they must have some real evidence beyond Bosch&#8217;s notes. If they don&#8217;t . . . they are asking for Braun 2.0. They can&#8217;t be THAT stupid . . . can they?</p>
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		<title>By: tominma</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tominma]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Mar 2013 18:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Iont believe there was ANY evidence that the sample was tampered with!! There was only the assertion that because of sloppy and late delivery of the sampleto the lab,  it MAY have been tampered with. Reasonable doubt!!  NOBODY except BRaun has ever beaten a suspension for a failed drug test. As for me,  NAIL ALL THE CHEATERS! And NO HOF induction until after theyr&#039;e dead!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iont believe there was ANY evidence that the sample was tampered with!! There was only the assertion that because of sloppy and late delivery of the sampleto the lab,  it MAY have been tampered with. Reasonable doubt!!  NOBODY except BRaun has ever beaten a suspension for a failed drug test. As for me,  NAIL ALL THE CHEATERS! And NO HOF induction until after theyr&#8217;e dead!</p>
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		<title>By: sdemp</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sdemp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Mar 2013 18:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[MLB only hurts themselves by continually trying to bust players for PED&#039;s. Obviously if you test positive you should be penalized,  but to take extreme measures to prove a point is a bit ridiculous.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MLB only hurts themselves by continually trying to bust players for PED&#8217;s. Obviously if you test positive you should be penalized,  but to take extreme measures to prove a point is a bit ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: icanspeel</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Mar 2013 18:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, good info]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, good info</p>
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		<title>By: bigharold</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bigharold]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Mar 2013 18:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Could it be that he wasn&#039;t a client if theirs?  Nah, that couldn&#039;t be it.  And, why let logic and reason into the mix anyway?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could it be that he wasn&#8217;t a client if theirs?  Nah, that couldn&#8217;t be it.  And, why let logic and reason into the mix anyway?</p>
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		<title>By: bigharold</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bigharold]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Mar 2013 17:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While there is a certain &quot;whipping boy-ness&quot; to this action it is not without benefit.  

To a certain extent you have a well healed group of players pitted against the entrenched bureaucracy, to wit MLB.  On the one hand monied, motivated, quick to react group of free lancers that are more than willing to engage in a pharmaceutical &quot;arms race&quot; with each other and on the other hand you have a stodgy bunch of businessmen that can only react to developing PED protocols.  And frankly, MLB&#039;s primary interest in fighting PED abuse is to protect the reputation of their cash cow business so as to keep the cash flowing in and franchise values increasing.  Against that background MLB will always be playing catch up, .. they&#039;ll always be Wiley E. Coyote to the players Road Runner, .. Bugs Bunny to MLB&#039;s Elmer Fudd....  

It would appear that MLB is taking the approach that they will change the culture of players using PEDs before they get to the majors and develop the resources and gain the protection of the union, .. hence the seemingly harsh punishment.  If so, the strategy isn&#039;t without merit.  One of the key components of the reduction of smoking in society is getting to potential smokers before they become smokers.  Not the cleanest analogy but it fits.  The fact is the union, which will not even protect clean players from PED abusers, has consistently bested MLB so why lock horns with them again?  Why not do what is doable and hopefully more clean players will get into the big leagues that will not only not use PEDs but will add pressure to get abusers to stop?  

The bottom line, there are two question to be asked;
1. Did the minor leaguer in fact break the rules?
2. Are the sanctions allowable under his contract?

If the answers are yes than I&#039;ve little sympathy for him.  And, if this incident causes him to not make the majors then he likely never had the mental toughness in the first place or was only marginal prospect at best.  Personally, I&#039;m tired of reading about PEDs and as long as the sanctions are evenly applied I&#039;m all for strict enforcement.  I&#039;d rather not wonder if I&#039;m watching baseball or some elaborate bio-chemical experiment. When it comes to PEDs in baseball to paraphrase Mao, .. kill one to scare 1000.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While there is a certain &#8220;whipping boy-ness&#8221; to this action it is not without benefit.  </p>
<p>To a certain extent you have a well healed group of players pitted against the entrenched bureaucracy, to wit MLB.  On the one hand monied, motivated, quick to react group of free lancers that are more than willing to engage in a pharmaceutical &#8220;arms race&#8221; with each other and on the other hand you have a stodgy bunch of businessmen that can only react to developing PED protocols.  And frankly, MLB&#8217;s primary interest in fighting PED abuse is to protect the reputation of their cash cow business so as to keep the cash flowing in and franchise values increasing.  Against that background MLB will always be playing catch up, .. they&#8217;ll always be Wiley E. Coyote to the players Road Runner, .. Bugs Bunny to MLB&#8217;s Elmer Fudd&#8230;.  </p>
<p>It would appear that MLB is taking the approach that they will change the culture of players using PEDs before they get to the majors and develop the resources and gain the protection of the union, .. hence the seemingly harsh punishment.  If so, the strategy isn&#8217;t without merit.  One of the key components of the reduction of smoking in society is getting to potential smokers before they become smokers.  Not the cleanest analogy but it fits.  The fact is the union, which will not even protect clean players from PED abusers, has consistently bested MLB so why lock horns with them again?  Why not do what is doable and hopefully more clean players will get into the big leagues that will not only not use PEDs but will add pressure to get abusers to stop?  </p>
<p>The bottom line, there are two question to be asked;<br />
1. Did the minor leaguer in fact break the rules?<br />
2. Are the sanctions allowable under his contract?</p>
<p>If the answers are yes than I&#8217;ve little sympathy for him.  And, if this incident causes him to not make the majors then he likely never had the mental toughness in the first place or was only marginal prospect at best.  Personally, I&#8217;m tired of reading about PEDs and as long as the sanctions are evenly applied I&#8217;m all for strict enforcement.  I&#8217;d rather not wonder if I&#8217;m watching baseball or some elaborate bio-chemical experiment. When it comes to PEDs in baseball to paraphrase Mao, .. kill one to scare 1000.</p>
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		<title>By: vivabear</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vivabear]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Mar 2013 17:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Um...not gonna take time to cite anything, but there need not be a failed test to suspend a major league player as part of the drug program. It happened to Manny his first suspension. Bosch&#039;s dad wrote him a prescription for a banned substance. No failed test they had him for intent to use.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um&#8230;not gonna take time to cite anything, but there need not be a failed test to suspend a major league player as part of the drug program. It happened to Manny his first suspension. Bosch&#8217;s dad wrote him a prescription for a banned substance. No failed test they had him for intent to use.</p>
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		<title>By: historiophiliac</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[historiophiliac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Mar 2013 17:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Depends on the place and time, stex.  The Dominicans started the Spanish Inquisition, but the Jesuits joined in later -- especially re: Mexican Inquisition...but I was just being funny. :(]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Depends on the place and time, stex.  The Dominicans started the Spanish Inquisition, but the Jesuits joined in later &#8212; especially re: Mexican Inquisition&#8230;but I was just being funny. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: jwbiii</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jwbiii]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Mar 2013 17:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nothing. There&#039;s a section in the Joint Drug Agreement that covers this. A player can&#039;t be punished multiple times for  the same use. I think any of these players could make a very reasonable argument that the Biogenesis records were for the purchases which caused him to fail his test. It&#039;s paragraph 3.H Multiple Disciplines for the Same Use, if you&#039;re interested.
 
http://www.bizofbaseball.com/docs/2012-16MLB-MLBPAJointDrugProgram.pdf
 
The only player who I am aware of who tried to use this defense was Neifi Perez, who was suspended twice for stimulants in 2007. The Medical Testing Officer&#039;s opinion was that the stimulant he has busted for the first time would have washed out of his system by the time he failed his second test.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing. There&#8217;s a section in the Joint Drug Agreement that covers this. A player can&#8217;t be punished multiple times for  the same use. I think any of these players could make a very reasonable argument that the Biogenesis records were for the purchases which caused him to fail his test. It&#8217;s paragraph 3.H Multiple Disciplines for the Same Use, if you&#8217;re interested.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bizofbaseball.com/docs/2012-16MLB-MLBPAJointDrugProgram.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.bizofbaseball.com/docs/2012-16MLB-MLBPAJointDrugProgram.pdf</a></p>
<p>The only player who I am aware of who tried to use this defense was Neifi Perez, who was suspended twice for stimulants in 2007. The Medical Testing Officer&#8217;s opinion was that the stimulant he has busted for the first time would have washed out of his system by the time he failed his second test.</p>
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		<title>By: weaselpuppy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[weaselpuppy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Mar 2013 17:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqgZnvfJ9Jg]]></description>
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		<title>By: historiophiliac</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[historiophiliac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Mar 2013 17:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What a show!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a show!</p>
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		<title>By: weaselpuppy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[weaselpuppy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Mar 2013 17:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, the Inquisition&#039;s here, and it&#039;s here to staaaaaaaaaaaaayyyy!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, the Inquisition&#8217;s here, and it&#8217;s here to staaaaaaaaaaaaayyyy!</p>
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