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	<title>Comments on: Quote of the Day: Undermining The Basis of the WBC Edition</title>
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		<title>By: chip56</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 18:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, well then that&#039;s stupid.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, well then that&#8217;s stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: Francisco (FC)</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Francisco (FC)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 03:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I should clarify that when I referred to Guyana I was talking about the Esequibo Territory which was a source of dispute between Britain and Spain (later Venezuela and Britain). Before that Guyana was actually... wait for it... Dutch! You know, those people who never colonized anything.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should clarify that when I referred to Guyana I was talking about the Esequibo Territory which was a source of dispute between Britain and Spain (later Venezuela and Britain). Before that Guyana was actually&#8230; wait for it&#8230; Dutch! You know, those people who never colonized anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Francisco (FC)</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Francisco (FC)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 02:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, it&#039;s like the more you post the more off you get. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Because Curacao, which is a sovereign country&lt;/blockquote&gt;
They are as sovereign as the state of California. Foreign Policy and Defense fall under the purview of Kingdom. It is a constituent country of the Kingdom which is a big difference from sovereign. Not that it matters much, just pointing out how off the rails you are getting. This one is on par with people from St. Bart not being French.

&lt;blockquote&gt;…and for the record. The Dutch NEVER colonized Curacao. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Yes they did, Colonization doesn&#039;t preclude occupation. Spain landed in 1499, they enslaved the local population relocating a number of them and then lost interest when they couldn&#039;t find gold or any valuables.

Sure, everything in the Caribbean was &quot;Spaniard&quot; in the 16th and 17th Century. The Dutch claimed the island for their own later in the 1600s, established a city and made hay. You make it sound like they attacked and sacked a Spanish city or something. They took islands and built forts to defend their own trade interests, which inlcuded slavery yes, not sure why you bring that up? I mean they certainly didn&#039;t have a monopoly on it. The rest of the European nations engaged in it quite willingly. Did you include that tidbit to cast them in some unfavorable light? If it&#039;s for completest sake you should mention that all this happened while they fought Spain for their own Independence at the same time.

Basically when I compare the contributions of the Dutch vs that of Spain, the Dutch had far more impact than Spain. They actually DEVELOPED the place, which is the point of COLONIZATION. Spain could have cared less. It&#039;s the big #1 Reason Guyana is English rather than Spanish. The same thing happened there. It was a nominal territory of Spain. Britain took over and occupied it, and then they settled and colonized the empty areas. By YOUR logic the fine people from Guyana were never Colonized by Britain and were in fact colonized by Spain. But we know that&#039;s not the case.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Make up whatever fantasy you want&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I&#039;m not making up fantasies. Facts are facts. Curacao is part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands. Fact. The people there are Dutch citizens of the Kingdom. Fact. Although Curacao could have insisted on participating as their own country they are instead participating in the WBC as the Netherlands alongside countrymen from different parts of the Kingdom (Holland/Aruba/Dutch Descendants) Fact.

If you want to criticize that the Netherlands Teams leans heavily on people from Curacao that&#039;s fine, it doesn&#039;t make it any less Team Netherlands however because that&#039;s the country they are representing in the tournament.

If anything I&#039;m amused that you have blind spot. It&#039;s like arguing with a young Earth Creationist.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, it&#8217;s like the more you post the more off you get. </p>
<blockquote><p>Because Curacao, which is a sovereign country</p></blockquote>
<p>They are as sovereign as the state of California. Foreign Policy and Defense fall under the purview of Kingdom. It is a constituent country of the Kingdom which is a big difference from sovereign. Not that it matters much, just pointing out how off the rails you are getting. This one is on par with people from St. Bart not being French.</p>
<blockquote><p>…and for the record. The Dutch NEVER colonized Curacao. </p></blockquote>
<p>Yes they did, Colonization doesn&#8217;t preclude occupation. Spain landed in 1499, they enslaved the local population relocating a number of them and then lost interest when they couldn&#8217;t find gold or any valuables.</p>
<p>Sure, everything in the Caribbean was &#8220;Spaniard&#8221; in the 16th and 17th Century. The Dutch claimed the island for their own later in the 1600s, established a city and made hay. You make it sound like they attacked and sacked a Spanish city or something. They took islands and built forts to defend their own trade interests, which inlcuded slavery yes, not sure why you bring that up? I mean they certainly didn&#8217;t have a monopoly on it. The rest of the European nations engaged in it quite willingly. Did you include that tidbit to cast them in some unfavorable light? If it&#8217;s for completest sake you should mention that all this happened while they fought Spain for their own Independence at the same time.</p>
<p>Basically when I compare the contributions of the Dutch vs that of Spain, the Dutch had far more impact than Spain. They actually DEVELOPED the place, which is the point of COLONIZATION. Spain could have cared less. It&#8217;s the big #1 Reason Guyana is English rather than Spanish. The same thing happened there. It was a nominal territory of Spain. Britain took over and occupied it, and then they settled and colonized the empty areas. By YOUR logic the fine people from Guyana were never Colonized by Britain and were in fact colonized by Spain. But we know that&#8217;s not the case.</p>
<blockquote><p>Make up whatever fantasy you want</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not making up fantasies. Facts are facts. Curacao is part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands. Fact. The people there are Dutch citizens of the Kingdom. Fact. Although Curacao could have insisted on participating as their own country they are instead participating in the WBC as the Netherlands alongside countrymen from different parts of the Kingdom (Holland/Aruba/Dutch Descendants) Fact.</p>
<p>If you want to criticize that the Netherlands Teams leans heavily on people from Curacao that&#8217;s fine, it doesn&#8217;t make it any less Team Netherlands however because that&#8217;s the country they are representing in the tournament.</p>
<p>If anything I&#8217;m amused that you have blind spot. It&#8217;s like arguing with a young Earth Creationist.</p>
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		<title>By: paperlions</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paperlions]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 01:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[...and for the record.  The Dutch NEVER colonized Curacao.  It was a spanish colony/property for nearly 150 years until the Dutch took it by force and used it as a stop as they became leaders in the slave trade]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and for the record.  The Dutch NEVER colonized Curacao.  It was a spanish colony/property for nearly 150 years until the Dutch took it by force and used it as a stop as they became leaders in the slave trade</p>
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		<title>By: paperlions</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paperlions]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 01:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By that logic, every other Caribbean island should be playing for Spain.  There is nothing Dutch about the Curacao culture.  It is more &quot;American&quot; than it is Dutch.  The entire team is freaking Caribbean.  There is one guy in the lineup not born in the Antilles, and he is batting 8th.  Make up whatever fantasy you want, but this WBC game (and the finals) will be all-caribbean.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By that logic, every other Caribbean island should be playing for Spain.  There is nothing Dutch about the Curacao culture.  It is more &#8220;American&#8221; than it is Dutch.  The entire team is freaking Caribbean.  There is one guy in the lineup not born in the Antilles, and he is batting 8th.  Make up whatever fantasy you want, but this WBC game (and the finals) will be all-caribbean.</p>
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		<title>By: Francisco (FC)</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Francisco (FC)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 19:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Puerto Ricans are more American than those from Curacao are Dutch.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
You&#039;re ignoring the fact that the Dutch colonized the island and contributed to its cultural heritage since 1634. To this day you can observe Dutch architecture in Wilemstad. Being Dutch is very much part of Curacao today which is a reflection of their institutions and history.

Puerto Rico was a Spanish colony that was forceably taken away by the United States and converted into a dependent territory at the turn of the 20th Century.

If anything it&#039;s the other way around: Curacao is more Dutch than Puerto Rico is American.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Puerto Ricans are more American than those from Curacao are Dutch.</p></blockquote>
<p>You&#8217;re ignoring the fact that the Dutch colonized the island and contributed to its cultural heritage since 1634. To this day you can observe Dutch architecture in Wilemstad. Being Dutch is very much part of Curacao today which is a reflection of their institutions and history.</p>
<p>Puerto Rico was a Spanish colony that was forceably taken away by the United States and converted into a dependent territory at the turn of the 20th Century.</p>
<p>If anything it&#8217;s the other way around: Curacao is more Dutch than Puerto Rico is American.</p>
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		<title>By: gmfw7</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gmfw7]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 19:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[two completely different songs, chief. nice try though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>two completely different songs, chief. nice try though.</p>
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		<title>By: blacksables</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[blacksables]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 19:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hey, paper, how come you&#039;re okay with Puerto Rico doing the same thing? It most definitely is not an independent country.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey, paper, how come you&#8217;re okay with Puerto Rico doing the same thing? It most definitely is not an independent country.</p>
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		<title>By: tc4306</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tc4306]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 17:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The WBC is like WAR metric theory:
Both are cool
Both are fun
Both are terribly flawed
Neither tells us anything of importance.
But there is nothing wrong with things that are cool, fun, flawed and unimportant.
Here&#039;s lookin&#039; at you Taylor Swift.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The WBC is like WAR metric theory:<br />
Both are cool<br />
Both are fun<br />
Both are terribly flawed<br />
Neither tells us anything of importance.<br />
But there is nothing wrong with things that are cool, fun, flawed and unimportant.<br />
Here&#8217;s lookin&#8217; at you Taylor Swift.</p>
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		<title>By: Francisco (FC)</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Francisco (FC)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 16:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Paper it&#039;s not what you want it to be, it&#039;s what it IS. When Curacao decides to field its own team for the WBC we&#039;ll call it that. Meanwhile that roster is representing the entire kingdom because that&#039;s how they decided to compete as. It&#039;s why the WBC has listed them as Netherlands. Kindly respect that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paper it&#8217;s not what you want it to be, it&#8217;s what it IS. When Curacao decides to field its own team for the WBC we&#8217;ll call it that. Meanwhile that roster is representing the entire kingdom because that&#8217;s how they decided to compete as. It&#8217;s why the WBC has listed them as Netherlands. Kindly respect that.</p>
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		<title>By: Stiller43</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stiller43]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 16:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Especially this time of year when all of the other baseball being played consists of meaningless exhibitions.&quot;

You mean like the meaningless exhibitions called the WBC?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Especially this time of year when all of the other baseball being played consists of meaningless exhibitions.&#8221;</p>
<p>You mean like the meaningless exhibitions called the WBC?</p>
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		<title>By: paperlions</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paperlions]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 15:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Because Curacao, which is a sovereign country, is carrying that team, and calling it the Netherlands is silly.  Athletes from Curacao do not compete for the Netherlands in the Olympics or in soccer, as they have previously been the &quot;Netherlands Antilles&quot; and in London were considered &quot;independent athletes&quot; as the entity lost its Olympic status after its dissolution....but they still do not compete as Dutch....because they aren&#039;t.  Puerto Ricans are more American than those from Curacao are Dutch.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because Curacao, which is a sovereign country, is carrying that team, and calling it the Netherlands is silly.  Athletes from Curacao do not compete for the Netherlands in the Olympics or in soccer, as they have previously been the &#8220;Netherlands Antilles&#8221; and in London were considered &#8220;independent athletes&#8221; as the entity lost its Olympic status after its dissolution&#8230;.but they still do not compete as Dutch&#8230;.because they aren&#8217;t.  Puerto Ricans are more American than those from Curacao are Dutch.</p>
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		<title>By: Francisco (FC)</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Francisco (FC)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 15:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Paper, it&#039;s still called Netherlands, of which Curaçao is but one piece, please use it in the future. There are several actual players in that roster that come from Europe. Loek Van Mil for example, was born in a village outside Rotterdam. Others are of dutch descent while being born in Canada, US, DR, etc. Two other players are from Aruba. So, uh no. the semi-finals are NOT all island nations. The Kingdom of the Netherlands is a mix, and while obviously Curaçao has the lion&#039;s share, there&#039;s a signifcant chunk (11 players) that don&#039;t come from there.

I think you&#039;re doing a disservice when you keep insisting on calling the Netherlands team Curaçao. You&#039;re always big on Facts, why do you have so much trouble swallowing this one?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paper, it&#8217;s still called Netherlands, of which Curaçao is but one piece, please use it in the future. There are several actual players in that roster that come from Europe. Loek Van Mil for example, was born in a village outside Rotterdam. Others are of dutch descent while being born in Canada, US, DR, etc. Two other players are from Aruba. So, uh no. the semi-finals are NOT all island nations. The Kingdom of the Netherlands is a mix, and while obviously Curaçao has the lion&#8217;s share, there&#8217;s a signifcant chunk (11 players) that don&#8217;t come from there.</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re doing a disservice when you keep insisting on calling the Netherlands team Curaçao. You&#8217;re always big on Facts, why do you have so much trouble swallowing this one?</p>
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		<title>By: dnc6</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dnc6]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 14:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you orel. The WBC has garnered a hell of a lot more interest in baseball in China and Brazil (anyone disagree that those are two markets that you need to appeal to in the near future?) than there was ten years ago. Thats the measure that matters. Not who exactly makes the finals.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you orel. The WBC has garnered a hell of a lot more interest in baseball in China and Brazil (anyone disagree that those are two markets that you need to appeal to in the near future?) than there was ten years ago. Thats the measure that matters. Not who exactly makes the finals.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Fiorentino</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Fiorentino]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 14:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Because MLB isn&#039;t in the crapper like the NHL was when they decided to allow the players to play in the Olympics for a marketing ploy.  If you have a solid sport, with a solid following, then you don&#039;t need any gimmicks like shutting the season down for 3 weeks right in the middle of the year to play in the Olympics.  The NBA does it because it is the off-season.  MLB likes the WBC more than the Olympics because it can be controlled by MLB and played during the Spring Training.  

If MLB was going to allow their players to play in the Olympics, then they would have done it before letting baseball be eliminated as a sport.  Right now, there is no reason whatsoever to allow MLB players to play in the Olympics.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because MLB isn&#8217;t in the crapper like the NHL was when they decided to allow the players to play in the Olympics for a marketing ploy.  If you have a solid sport, with a solid following, then you don&#8217;t need any gimmicks like shutting the season down for 3 weeks right in the middle of the year to play in the Olympics.  The NBA does it because it is the off-season.  MLB likes the WBC more than the Olympics because it can be controlled by MLB and played during the Spring Training.  </p>
<p>If MLB was going to allow their players to play in the Olympics, then they would have done it before letting baseball be eliminated as a sport.  Right now, there is no reason whatsoever to allow MLB players to play in the Olympics.</p>
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		<title>By: orelmiraculous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[orelmiraculous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 14:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Holy Jesus, I can&#039;t believe I didn&#039;t address this quote yet either:

&quot;For starters, it’s not globalizing baseball in a basic sense, because as Twitter friend @yakyunightowl noted last night: [the two countries in the semifinals have been playing baseball for a long time].&quot;

So let me get this straight, Craig.  You are arguing that the WBC doesn&#039;t globalize baseball, and your proof of this is that two teams WHO HAVE REACHED THE SEMIS (!) have been playing baseball for a long time? Of course they have! That&#039;s why they were able to reach the semis!  

Your logic, apparently, is that if none of the final four teams in the WBC come from countries where baseball is new, then the tournament is failing to globalize the game.  You&#039;re smart enough to realize how flawed that thinking is, I hope.

Have you considered the impact of the WBC in China?  With baseball out of the Olympics, literally the only reason China even has a national baseball program is to compete in the WBC.  No WBC, no baseball development in the world&#039;s largest country.

And hell, lets just look at the Netherlands, even though, as stated above, they&#039;ve been playing baseball since 1911.  At the 2009 WBC, do you know how many members of the Dutch media covered the second round after they beat the Dominicans?  1.  Do you know how many members of the Dutch media are in San Francisco covering tonight&#039;s game?  14.  That&#039;s a direct example of baseball being grown in a country specifically because of the WBC.

Craig, reading your posts about the WBC is just like reading all the articles by NFL writers about baseball&#039;s declining TV ratings.  You know, the ones you bend over backwards to discredit by pointing out that they have an agenda and are ignoring certain metrics to support it.  You&#039;ve built your own narrative around the WBC, and you&#039;re cherry picking facts and anecdotes to support it.  Its a stunning lack of self-awareness from someone who usually eviscerates that kind of writing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy Jesus, I can&#8217;t believe I didn&#8217;t address this quote yet either:</p>
<p>&#8220;For starters, it’s not globalizing baseball in a basic sense, because as Twitter friend @yakyunightowl noted last night: [the two countries in the semifinals have been playing baseball for a long time].&#8221;</p>
<p>So let me get this straight, Craig.  You are arguing that the WBC doesn&#8217;t globalize baseball, and your proof of this is that two teams WHO HAVE REACHED THE SEMIS (!) have been playing baseball for a long time? Of course they have! That&#8217;s why they were able to reach the semis!  </p>
<p>Your logic, apparently, is that if none of the final four teams in the WBC come from countries where baseball is new, then the tournament is failing to globalize the game.  You&#8217;re smart enough to realize how flawed that thinking is, I hope.</p>
<p>Have you considered the impact of the WBC in China?  With baseball out of the Olympics, literally the only reason China even has a national baseball program is to compete in the WBC.  No WBC, no baseball development in the world&#8217;s largest country.</p>
<p>And hell, lets just look at the Netherlands, even though, as stated above, they&#8217;ve been playing baseball since 1911.  At the 2009 WBC, do you know how many members of the Dutch media covered the second round after they beat the Dominicans?  1.  Do you know how many members of the Dutch media are in San Francisco covering tonight&#8217;s game?  14.  That&#8217;s a direct example of baseball being grown in a country specifically because of the WBC.</p>
<p>Craig, reading your posts about the WBC is just like reading all the articles by NFL writers about baseball&#8217;s declining TV ratings.  You know, the ones you bend over backwards to discredit by pointing out that they have an agenda and are ignoring certain metrics to support it.  You&#8217;ve built your own narrative around the WBC, and you&#8217;re cherry picking facts and anecdotes to support it.  Its a stunning lack of self-awareness from someone who usually eviscerates that kind of writing.</p>
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		<title>By: seattlenative57</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 14:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For the record:

Lynyrd Skynyrd:  Freebird

John Lennon:  Free As A Bird]]></description>
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<p>Lynyrd Skynyrd:  Freebird</p>
<p>John Lennon:  Free As A Bird</p>
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		<title>By: melogrooves</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[melogrooves]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 14:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The WBC might suck for a lot of Americans due to the fact that the USA Team has not being able to win the tournament in their 3 tries.  Anyways it awsome to see MLB players jump up of excitment everytime their team gets a clutch hit or scores a run.  Money, talent long term contacts and good press can take you long ways.  You can&#039;t buy passion for the game while representing your country.   Lots of Americans take that for granted.  When they lose, they make excuses.... The best players were not there, not the right timing (spring training) or the tournament does not matter.   Players are high paid professionals, they should be ready if they sign up for these types of events.   SMH]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The WBC might suck for a lot of Americans due to the fact that the USA Team has not being able to win the tournament in their 3 tries.  Anyways it awsome to see MLB players jump up of excitment everytime their team gets a clutch hit or scores a run.  Money, talent long term contacts and good press can take you long ways.  You can&#8217;t buy passion for the game while representing your country.   Lots of Americans take that for granted.  When they lose, they make excuses&#8230;. The best players were not there, not the right timing (spring training) or the tournament does not matter.   Players are high paid professionals, they should be ready if they sign up for these types of events.   SMH</p>
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		<title>By: unclemosesgreen</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 14:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, I just had to let that out.  But while we&#039;re here, lets settle something else.  &quot;Free as a Bird&quot; is a crappy demo tune that John Lennon wrote and got posthumously remixed and released as a &quot;Beatles&quot; song in a shameless cash grab.

I just had to get in a Lynyrd Skynyrd reference first.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I just had to let that out.  But while we&#8217;re here, lets settle something else.  &#8220;Free as a Bird&#8221; is a crappy demo tune that John Lennon wrote and got posthumously remixed and released as a &#8220;Beatles&#8221; song in a shameless cash grab.</p>
<p>I just had to get in a Lynyrd Skynyrd reference first.</p>
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		<title>By: unclemosesgreen</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 14:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[- Now what song is it you all want to hear?
- FREEEEEBIIRRRRDDD!!!!

I swear I&#039;m not making this up, Freebird was my prom song.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>- Now what song is it you all want to hear?<br />
- FREEEEEBIIRRRRDDD!!!!</p>
<p>I swear I&#8217;m not making this up, Freebird was my prom song.</p>
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		<title>By: paperlions</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 14:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That isn&#039;t true.  Everyone recognizes that the winner of the NCAA tournament is not the best team in the country, they are just the winner of the tournament...people love the tournament because it is fun, because so many people have ties to schools/conferences....and because the tournament takes place at the end of a season in which fans have followed their team the entire time.  The WBC just comes out of no where as far as most fans are concerned.....plus, compared to the tournaments you are trying to compare it to, a huge % of the best players choose not to play because there are more important baseball games for them....in contrast, there are no more important games for NCAA basketball players.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That isn&#8217;t true.  Everyone recognizes that the winner of the NCAA tournament is not the best team in the country, they are just the winner of the tournament&#8230;people love the tournament because it is fun, because so many people have ties to schools/conferences&#8230;.and because the tournament takes place at the end of a season in which fans have followed their team the entire time.  The WBC just comes out of no where as far as most fans are concerned&#8230;..plus, compared to the tournaments you are trying to compare it to, a huge % of the best players choose not to play because there are more important baseball games for them&#8230;.in contrast, there are no more important games for NCAA basketball players.</p>
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		<title>By: dwrek5</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 14:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[WBC is such a volatile subject, doesn&#039;t need to be...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WBC is such a volatile subject, doesn&#8217;t need to be&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: orelmiraculous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[orelmiraculous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 13:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Essentially, yes.  Anything that reduces the sample size is a flawed method of determining a champion.  In most sports, that means playoffs that are much shorter than the regular season.  In the BCS, that means relying on just 12 regular season games.

All of these systems are deeply flawed at crowning the true champion.  Only the WBC gets constantly degraded for it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Essentially, yes.  Anything that reduces the sample size is a flawed method of determining a champion.  In most sports, that means playoffs that are much shorter than the regular season.  In the BCS, that means relying on just 12 regular season games.</p>
<p>All of these systems are deeply flawed at crowning the true champion.  Only the WBC gets constantly degraded for it.</p>
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		<title>By: chip56</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 13:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re essentially saying any playoff format is flawed but that a system that doesn&#039;t have a playoff format (BCS) is flawed too?

So what would work for you - team with the best record at the end of the season is the champion and that&#039;s that?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re essentially saying any playoff format is flawed but that a system that doesn&#8217;t have a playoff format (BCS) is flawed too?</p>
<p>So what would work for you &#8211; team with the best record at the end of the season is the champion and that&#8217;s that?</p>
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		<title>By: chip56</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chip56]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 13:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fun but ultimately meaningless - so essentially the WBC is the internet blogger of baseball tournaments.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fun but ultimately meaningless &#8211; so essentially the WBC is the internet blogger of baseball tournaments.</p>
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		<title>By: chip56</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 13:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s also the television aspect of it. If you put the WBC in the middle of the season then the World Series won&#039;t be played until mid-November where it will be swallowed up by the NFL.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s also the television aspect of it. If you put the WBC in the middle of the season then the World Series won&#8217;t be played until mid-November where it will be swallowed up by the NFL.</p>
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		<title>By: orelmiraculous</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 13:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We get it, it&#039;s a flawed method to determine the best baseball country in the world.  Here is an inexhaustive list of sports tournaments that are also terrible at determining &quot;true&quot; champions:

NCAA Tournament
NFL Playoffs
MLB Playoffs
BCS
The World Cup
Any Olympic team sports event

When a 15 seed beats a 2 seed on Thursday, are you going tweet about the NCAA tournament being a joke because of small sample size?

I can&#039;t stand the constant need of a certain faction of the baseball media to constantly bitch about the flaws of the WBC, while mostly ignoring everything that is great about it. This is what&#039;s becoming of the American sports media in the internet age:  we&#039;d rather bitch and snark about something rather than enjoy it for what it is.

Craig, you say that the WBC is fun and cool, and yet you guys can hardly be bothered to actually write about the coolest part about it: the games themselves which have been phenomenal.  If you can&#039;t complain about it, its not worth your attention.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We get it, it&#8217;s a flawed method to determine the best baseball country in the world.  Here is an inexhaustive list of sports tournaments that are also terrible at determining &#8220;true&#8221; champions:</p>
<p>NCAA Tournament<br />
NFL Playoffs<br />
MLB Playoffs<br />
BCS<br />
The World Cup<br />
Any Olympic team sports event</p>
<p>When a 15 seed beats a 2 seed on Thursday, are you going tweet about the NCAA tournament being a joke because of small sample size?</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t stand the constant need of a certain faction of the baseball media to constantly bitch about the flaws of the WBC, while mostly ignoring everything that is great about it. This is what&#8217;s becoming of the American sports media in the internet age:  we&#8217;d rather bitch and snark about something rather than enjoy it for what it is.</p>
<p>Craig, you say that the WBC is fun and cool, and yet you guys can hardly be bothered to actually write about the coolest part about it: the games themselves which have been phenomenal.  If you can&#8217;t complain about it, its not worth your attention.</p>
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		<title>By: heyblueyoustink</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 13:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I dunno, I think they could have some pre-lims during spring training to make the mid summer tourney a bit shorter ( kind of how hockey does it ), and as far as the money goes, since MLB would have to step aside for a couple of weeks, the WBC would have no competition in the middle of the summer from a television point of view.

That could lead to bigger and better prime time TV money, of which MLB, because of it&#039;s concession, could ask for.

In other words, money for taking a couple of weeks off. And they could get by with three game series I think or the round robin as it is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno, I think they could have some pre-lims during spring training to make the mid summer tourney a bit shorter ( kind of how hockey does it ), and as far as the money goes, since MLB would have to step aside for a couple of weeks, the WBC would have no competition in the middle of the summer from a television point of view.</p>
<p>That could lead to bigger and better prime time TV money, of which MLB, because of it&#8217;s concession, could ask for.</p>
<p>In other words, money for taking a couple of weeks off. And they could get by with three game series I think or the round robin as it is.</p>
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		<title>By: 410baltimore</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 13:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And it&#039;s called, &quot;Freebird&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And it&#8217;s called, &#8220;Freebird&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: moe0594</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 13:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Echo &amp; the Bunnyman!!!!]]></description>
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