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MLB’s Rob Manfred says there’s no discussion about eliminating non-player pensions

Mar 20, 2013, 6:28 AM EDT

Yesterday Adam Rubin reported that MLB owners are poised to vote to eliminate the pension plan which covers non-uniformed employees. Last night Bob Nightengale tweeted thusly:

 

“No discussion” is an interesting way to put it. That could mean it’s not happening. It could mean that it’s something being considered among owners without Manfred or MLB in the loop. It could mean that it’s all on paper.

Given the importance of this issue to so many working people in MLB offices and out scouting in the fields, perhaps a statement affirmatively saying that their pensions are secure would be the way to go, if that is indeed the case.

  1. polonelmeagrejr - Mar 20, 2013 at 6:51 AM

    I can see why Craig would be paranoid about the wording of the statement. The guys that own the teams are not for some poor guy striving to say in the middle classs. After all, I recall the worst President of the last 70 years was owner of the Rangers at one point

    • lewp - Mar 20, 2013 at 7:31 AM

      Well polon, I bet you didn’t think he was the worst president on 9/11 though right?

      • paperlions - Mar 20, 2013 at 7:43 AM

        Huh?

      • historiophiliac - Mar 20, 2013 at 7:44 AM

        I did.

      • abaird2012 - Mar 20, 2013 at 7:56 AM

        Yes, he looked positively Lincolnesque as he listened to the nice lady read that story about the frolickinng barnyard critters and wished he’d attended even one of those security briefings …

      • 2077james - Mar 20, 2013 at 7:59 AM

        I remember him looking like a frightened little boy sat in that classroom.

      • jarathen - Mar 20, 2013 at 8:10 AM

        9/11 did not inspire my confidence, and the ensuing rest of the term, including a brilliantly fiendish fear play that secured the 2004 election (by saying what happened under one president could only be prevented by keeping THE SAME MAN in office), shook loose any shred of confidence I had left.

      • heyblueyoustink - Mar 20, 2013 at 8:27 AM

        Jimmy Carter has him beat by a mile if you want to talk inept all around.

        And while Bush the lesser may have been something of a disappointment, and far from the fiscal conservative he was supposed to be, and generally incompetent, just from an indepenent citizen’s point of view, he never passed a memo authorizing, out loud and proud, military action on American citizens, essentially judge, jury, and executioner.

        I mean that power is always there anyway, but no one in 237 years actually had the audacity to put it on paper. Only the empire that ruled these lands previous would do such a thing.

      • cur68 - Mar 20, 2013 at 9:01 AM

        Sorry to break into your neverending national angst over “who’s the worst president EVER” but I find myself feeling kind of skeptical that Jimmy Carter is being held up as “more inept than Bush the lesser”.

        I’m only mildly aware of Carter’s term in office, but it was overshadowed by the Iran Hostage Crisis, if I recall. A crisis brought to a close within 20 minutes of Reagan winning the election. Highly suspicious, given that considerable evidence indicates that Reagan’s people saw to it the hostage crisis continued long enough to sink to Carter.

        Ultimately though, Carter is viewed internationally as the face of Democratic Reform, free elections and international aid. His reputation internationally is unimpeachable. So much so that he won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2002. All in all I can recall no lingering or lasting effects of Carter’s presidency. In effect, the only impression left is that, after being your president, he went on to conduct himself and represent your country in a manner that would make me damn proud to claim him as a citizen of my own land. I am stunned that anyone would view him as inept.

        Bush the Lesser? The biggest gormless twit to hold office since the kid who didn’t know how to wipe properly took over our neighbourhood treehouse based on body alone 35 years ago. Little B hasn’t done much of anything for anyone but himself since leaving office. While in office he oversaw the ruination of your economy, the ruination of your international reputation, sheer ineptitude in the handling of natural disasters, left you with laws designed to invade your privacy & limit your access to legal counsel, and embroiled your nation in two armed conflicts.

        I’m not sure who you Americans go to when they want their presidents evaluated by an outsider in the hopes for objectivity, but the comparisons between Carter and Bush do NOT come down in Bush’s favour AT ALL if you’re asking this foreigner.

      • historiophiliac - Mar 20, 2013 at 9:21 AM

        Favorite Andy Rooney quote: George W Bush wasn’t our best president by 41.

      • zzalapski - Mar 20, 2013 at 9:24 AM

        http://www.theonion.com/articles/i-got-what-america-needs-right-here,11356/

        Jimmy Carter’s greatest failure as President was marketing. Alas.

      • heyblueyoustink - Mar 20, 2013 at 9:51 AM

        Cur, I respect you incredibly, and I don’t have the time, being i’m at work, to cite errs of Jimmy Carter, both pre and post president, but his economic policies were on par as pathetic when it came to any of the worst Presidents in history, his human rights efforts led to the support of and installment of some who turned out to be dictators, and he admitted being attacked by a Rabbit.

        As far as our image goes:

        http://www.migrationinformation.org/USFocus/display.cfm?ID=730

        Bush’s second term seems to see a steady rise in the immigration rates. “Kind of like we hate what you stand for, can we get in?”

      • carbydrash - Mar 20, 2013 at 10:13 AM

        Really? On the 10th Anniversary of the Iraq War you want to defend Bush?

        Sure, he lied to get us into a war that killed 5,000 Americans and a few hundred thousand civilians, but hey…dude…9/11!

        I know people dying and hating gay people is super awesome and I don’t want to take that away from you, but remaining delusional so far after the fact would be laughable if it weren’t so harmful.

        Believe in whatever political ideology you want, but don’t make excuses when someone from your side has done irrevocable harm to this and other nations at a terrible, terrible price.

      • Francisco (FC) - Mar 20, 2013 at 10:31 AM

        Cur, don’t mention Carter to free-thinking Venezuelans. The man has a, shall we say, tarnished reputation when it comes to elections.

      • heyblueyoustink - Mar 20, 2013 at 12:48 PM

        @FC Not only Chavez, but a bunch others who turned out to be pretty awful human beings. All “pals” of his.

        And I just used the facts to show that while it is the perception that our image is all kinds of tarnished, the facts are people still want to live here, regardless of what buffoon is in office.

        And Carby, i’m far from a right winger, never liked the decision to go to war, thinks any two human beings should be able to wed, regardless of any reason, it’s none of my business ( though when you look at the divorce rate, makes you wonder why you would want to other than insurance), and am kind of into the Libertarian thing.

        On that note, Carter got his hands into everything and royally screwed up half of everything he touched.

      • stlouis1baseball - Mar 21, 2013 at 3:34 PM

        Lewp. Wonderful question. I shake my head at the hypocritical anti-Bush crowd in today’s world. On 9/11 they were all over his jock. Yep…all over his jock. Dude could do now wrong. Patriotism was at it’s highest. Now? Short memories.

    • stlouis1baseball - Mar 21, 2013 at 3:35 PM

      As I recall…the worst President of the last 70 years was very recently a community organizer in the State of Illinois.

      There…fixed that for you.

  2. chill1184 - Mar 20, 2013 at 8:36 AM

    I wonder what brought up all the elimination of pension talk in the first place. This whole episode is why I support 401ks over pensions.

  3. jm91rs - Mar 20, 2013 at 8:37 AM

    Nothing like a little pension talk to bring out the left and right nutjobs on HBT. Keep em coming Craig, 80 comments on yesterday’s story. Write a story about the fall of unions and maybe we can break a record.

  4. mybrunoblog - Mar 20, 2013 at 9:34 AM

    I believe the NFL got away from their non uniformed employees having pensions. They now use 401k’s with a matching funds type deal in place. Many private companies (and some govt agencies too) have gotten away from pensions. The idea of a pension upon retirement is like the VCR or a pay phone. Outdated and going away.

  5. yousuxxors - Mar 20, 2013 at 10:30 AM

    carter is the reason why reagan had a good term. it was iran and inflation that sunk carter because he couldnt cure it in before his term ended. it was carters fed reserve chairman who put us in a recession on purpose to fix inflation that reagan got all the credit for. it was carters deregulation that spurned growth that reagan and cronies took to far thus essentially causing our current crisis with the help or clinton/bush/greespan. if carter got reelected he would of webt dowb as one of the best. only good thing reagan did was end communism but by putting on us in tons of debt and causing 911 by ignoring stan.(not just him both bushs and clinton to)

    • mybrunoblog - Mar 20, 2013 at 10:32 PM

      Hah hah that’s pretty funny. You write great comedy. Letterman could use you.

  6. sdemp - Mar 20, 2013 at 10:47 AM

    Manfred. . . also known as human shit.

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