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	<title>Comments on: Cardinals discuss extension with Adam Wainwright&#8217;s agent</title>
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		<title>By: historiophiliac</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/21/cardinals-discuss-extension-with-adam-wainwrights-agent/comment-page-1/#comment-460216</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 13:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[...maybe it&#039;s better to say seasonal yahtzee.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;maybe it&#8217;s better to say seasonal yahtzee.</p>
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		<title>By: historiophiliac</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/21/cardinals-discuss-extension-with-adam-wainwrights-agent/comment-page-1/#comment-460214</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 13:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sure, rub it in.  It was 80* last weekend and we are supposed to get sleet in the am tomorrow with a high in the 40&#039;s.  We don&#039;t have winter so much as a season martini (shaken).  My friend in western MA said he&#039;s gotten tons this year too.  I do miss the snow.  It&#039;s pretty -- especially out that way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, rub it in.  It was 80* last weekend and we are supposed to get sleet in the am tomorrow with a high in the 40&#8242;s.  We don&#8217;t have winter so much as a season martini (shaken).  My friend in western MA said he&#8217;s gotten tons this year too.  I do miss the snow.  It&#8217;s pretty &#8212; especially out that way.</p>
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		<title>By: paperlions</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 12:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We got snow again on Tuesday and on the 3rd day of spring, it still covers everything.  Winter isn&#039;t letting go this year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We got snow again on Tuesday and on the 3rd day of spring, it still covers everything.  Winter isn&#8217;t letting go this year.</p>
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		<title>By: paperlions</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 12:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Indeed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: historiophiliac</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[historiophiliac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 12:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s the Nolan Ryan effect. But, he and Barry Switzer do sell a lot of stuff they know nothing about.  That is the nature of endorsements/PR.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s the Nolan Ryan effect. But, he and Barry Switzer do sell a lot of stuff they know nothing about.  That is the nature of endorsements/PR.</p>
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		<title>By: paperlions</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/21/cardinals-discuss-extension-with-adam-wainwrights-agent/comment-page-1/#comment-460136</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 11:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, fans that have no evidence whatsoever that Ripken is capable of such a thing...being good at hitting/catching a ball  running a front office, scouting, and building an organization.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, fans that have no evidence whatsoever that Ripken is capable of such a thing&#8230;being good at hitting/catching a ball  running a front office, scouting, and building an organization.</p>
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		<title>By: paperlions</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 11:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Except, of course, there is plenty of evidence to support the value perspective....whereas you are just fabricating this &quot;low-balling&quot; theory because your favorite player didn&#039;t get everything he wanted.  Feel free to list all of the players you think the Cardinals have not re-signed that they should have because they low-balled them.  I have a feeling the list will look like this:

Pujols
Wainwright (pending)

The team you see on the field now, that is the result of a well run organization.  You are right, people come to see the players (and if you had paid any attention, you would remember me saying that exact same thing many times), but the collection of players on the field represent a process (which usually has little to do with owners and more to do with the program the GM has installed).

Again, I have repeated said that even the worst owner makes more money than the best player will during his career.....but that has little to do with how much the Cardinals are willing to spend on players.  To me, that argument is more about owners begging the public for money to build/upgrade stadiums than it is about player spending.  It is their business, they can spend money as they wish....just don&#039;t come begging taxpayers for handouts.  At this point in time they have one of the worst TV deals and they are paying off stadium debt.  All I read in your post is &quot;waaaaa, they won&#039;t spend more money to keep the players I love&quot;.

It should already be obvious to you that you were wrong about re-signing Pujols....and you are still bitching about it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except, of course, there is plenty of evidence to support the value perspective&#8230;.whereas you are just fabricating this &#8220;low-balling&#8221; theory because your favorite player didn&#8217;t get everything he wanted.  Feel free to list all of the players you think the Cardinals have not re-signed that they should have because they low-balled them.  I have a feeling the list will look like this:</p>
<p>Pujols<br />
Wainwright (pending)</p>
<p>The team you see on the field now, that is the result of a well run organization.  You are right, people come to see the players (and if you had paid any attention, you would remember me saying that exact same thing many times), but the collection of players on the field represent a process (which usually has little to do with owners and more to do with the program the GM has installed).</p>
<p>Again, I have repeated said that even the worst owner makes more money than the best player will during his career&#8230;..but that has little to do with how much the Cardinals are willing to spend on players.  To me, that argument is more about owners begging the public for money to build/upgrade stadiums than it is about player spending.  It is their business, they can spend money as they wish&#8230;.just don&#8217;t come begging taxpayers for handouts.  At this point in time they have one of the worst TV deals and they are paying off stadium debt.  All I read in your post is &#8220;waaaaa, they won&#8217;t spend more money to keep the players I love&#8221;.</p>
<p>It should already be obvious to you that you were wrong about re-signing Pujols&#8230;.and you are still bitching about it.</p>
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		<title>By: historiophiliac</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/21/cardinals-discuss-extension-with-adam-wainwrights-agent/comment-page-1/#comment-460132</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[historiophiliac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 11:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And, yet, I know O&#039;s fans who dream of Cal Jr taking over the franchise to improve it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, yet, I know O&#8217;s fans who dream of Cal Jr taking over the franchise to improve it.</p>
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		<title>By: paperlions</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/21/cardinals-discuss-extension-with-adam-wainwrights-agent/comment-page-1/#comment-460131</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 11:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, kind of like that.

I think a lot of players, especially stars, find that they need an adjustment period between playing and coaching or doing front office work.  Their entire life has been training and playing....then suddenly, they don&#039;t do that anymore.  It has to be hard.

The Cardinals have a long history of bringing back any player that wants to be involved.  Their ST assistants are literally a cross section of Cardinal history.  Of course Pujols would have been welcomed to try anything he was interested in trying, but there is no reason to commit to a 10 year contract to pay him to do something he had never done before 10 years before he would have been doing it.  That is just....weird.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, kind of like that.</p>
<p>I think a lot of players, especially stars, find that they need an adjustment period between playing and coaching or doing front office work.  Their entire life has been training and playing&#8230;.then suddenly, they don&#8217;t do that anymore.  It has to be hard.</p>
<p>The Cardinals have a long history of bringing back any player that wants to be involved.  Their ST assistants are literally a cross section of Cardinal history.  Of course Pujols would have been welcomed to try anything he was interested in trying, but there is no reason to commit to a 10 year contract to pay him to do something he had never done before 10 years before he would have been doing it.  That is just&#8230;.weird.</p>
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		<title>By: historiophiliac</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/21/cardinals-discuss-extension-with-adam-wainwrights-agent/comment-page-1/#comment-460130</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[historiophiliac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 11:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, I&#039;m not much with the fishing.  I don&#039;t have the fortitude.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I&#8217;m not much with the fishing.  I don&#8217;t have the fortitude.</p>
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		<title>By: historiophiliac</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/21/cardinals-discuss-extension-with-adam-wainwrights-agent/comment-page-1/#comment-460128</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[historiophiliac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 11:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kind of like Giambi wanting to walk into being a manager? lol  Well, business isn&#039;t brain surgery.  He could probably do something promotional.  I think I&#039;ve worked for dumber people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kind of like Giambi wanting to walk into being a manager? lol  Well, business isn&#8217;t brain surgery.  He could probably do something promotional.  I think I&#8217;ve worked for dumber people.</p>
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		<title>By: paperlions</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paperlions]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 11:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eh, there are crazy people everywhere....but yeah, people are usually embarrassed by the local crazies.  I guess this means you&#039;ve never spent a sunday afternoon at a noodling weigh-in, huh?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eh, there are crazy people everywhere&#8230;.but yeah, people are usually embarrassed by the local crazies.  I guess this means you&#8217;ve never spent a sunday afternoon at a noodling weigh-in, huh?</p>
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		<title>By: historiophiliac</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[historiophiliac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 11:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok, Bubba.  You confused me for a minute. In my experience, flyfishermen don&#039;t bait or noodle.  It probably cracks you up b/c they are crazy Okies.  Embarrassing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, Bubba.  You confused me for a minute. In my experience, flyfishermen don&#8217;t bait or noodle.  It probably cracks you up b/c they are crazy Okies.  Embarrassing.</p>
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		<title>By: paperlions</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paperlions]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 11:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One thing to remember is that players really have no idea at all what it is like to coach or do PR as a job.  Most teams will bring guys in to be special assistants in ST to see if a player enjoys the work.  If they enjoy it and show aptitude for it, then some arrangement will be made.  It is like your institution signing you to a deal that has you become head of food services in 10 years....totally different job, just because it is with the same institution doesn&#039;t mean it is something you&#039;ll want to do or be good at.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing to remember is that players really have no idea at all what it is like to coach or do PR as a job.  Most teams will bring guys in to be special assistants in ST to see if a player enjoys the work.  If they enjoy it and show aptitude for it, then some arrangement will be made.  It is like your institution signing you to a deal that has you become head of food services in 10 years&#8230;.totally different job, just because it is with the same institution doesn&#8217;t mean it is something you&#8217;ll want to do or be good at.</p>
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		<title>By: paperlions</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paperlions]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 11:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nope, that show cracks me up.  I am a flyfisherman....but I grew up in the midwest, fishing for bass, bluegill, crappie, and catfish.  Plus, I just appreciate local cultures and traditions.  Those guys use a crazy method to catch huge freaking fish....it&#039;s pretty cool.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope, that show cracks me up.  I am a flyfisherman&#8230;.but I grew up in the midwest, fishing for bass, bluegill, crappie, and catfish.  Plus, I just appreciate local cultures and traditions.  Those guys use a crazy method to catch huge freaking fish&#8230;.it&#8217;s pretty cool.</p>
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		<title>By: spudchukar</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spudchukar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 08:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think you are fooling yourself with this &quot;value&quot; talk.  It is all subjective.  If the Cards brass can low-ball they will.  Its not as if they would go to a player who is asking for a certain amount and come back to them and say we feel your asking price is too low, you actually have more value than you think so we are going to offer you more.

My point is Baseball is loaded.  Load-Ed!!, as Ron White would say.  Some franchises are wealthier, some more generous.  Some have great TV deals, some only so-so, but even the lower market teams are pocketing hundreds of millions.

Never, I repeat, Never in the modern era has a MLB team been a financial failure, and Good Lord knows many have tried.

As I have said before, nobody goes to a game to watch an owner, own.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you are fooling yourself with this &#8220;value&#8221; talk.  It is all subjective.  If the Cards brass can low-ball they will.  Its not as if they would go to a player who is asking for a certain amount and come back to them and say we feel your asking price is too low, you actually have more value than you think so we are going to offer you more.</p>
<p>My point is Baseball is loaded.  Load-Ed!!, as Ron White would say.  Some franchises are wealthier, some more generous.  Some have great TV deals, some only so-so, but even the lower market teams are pocketing hundreds of millions.</p>
<p>Never, I repeat, Never in the modern era has a MLB team been a financial failure, and Good Lord knows many have tried.</p>
<p>As I have said before, nobody goes to a game to watch an owner, own.</p>
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		<title>By: spudchukar</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spudchukar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 08:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If I misread your comment then I apologize profusely.  I reread every word three times before I replied, and am still confused by it, but as clarified, I will call it my bad.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I misread your comment then I apologize profusely.  I reread every word three times before I replied, and am still confused by it, but as clarified, I will call it my bad.</p>
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		<title>By: forsch31</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[forsch31]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 05:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pujols wasn&#039;t underpaid by the Cardinals for years. When he signed that contract, it was a record deal for somebody with that amount of major league experience. It was the richest contract the Cardinals had handed out to anybody, and Pujols was just the ninth player in major league history to have gotten a $100 million contract. and he was the quickest to get one. He had played only three full seasons in the majors at the time of the deal, and he was under club control for three more years. The deal actually was a risk for the team; the idea that Pujols somehow got gyped by the Cardinals and gave them a &quot;hometown discount&quot; with his first contract is completely false.

In Pujols&#039; own words (from 2010): &quot;I know people talk about my contract, but when I signed my contract in 2003, 2004, whenever it was, people are talking about that now being a bad contract. But you know what? When I signed my contract back then, the Cardinals didn&#039;t have to do that but they did it. And it was one of the best contracts at the time.....You can compare my contract now to Manny Ramirez, (Mark) Teixeira, A-Rod, whoever you want, and it looks bad, but you know what, they were free agents and I wasn’t. I only had three years in the league and the Cardinals pretty much did me a favor, signing me for $100 million.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pujols wasn&#8217;t underpaid by the Cardinals for years. When he signed that contract, it was a record deal for somebody with that amount of major league experience. It was the richest contract the Cardinals had handed out to anybody, and Pujols was just the ninth player in major league history to have gotten a $100 million contract. and he was the quickest to get one. He had played only three full seasons in the majors at the time of the deal, and he was under club control for three more years. The deal actually was a risk for the team; the idea that Pujols somehow got gyped by the Cardinals and gave them a &#8220;hometown discount&#8221; with his first contract is completely false.</p>
<p>In Pujols&#8217; own words (from 2010): &#8220;I know people talk about my contract, but when I signed my contract in 2003, 2004, whenever it was, people are talking about that now being a bad contract. But you know what? When I signed my contract back then, the Cardinals didn&#8217;t have to do that but they did it. And it was one of the best contracts at the time&#8230;..You can compare my contract now to Manny Ramirez, (Mark) Teixeira, A-Rod, whoever you want, and it looks bad, but you know what, they were free agents and I wasn’t. I only had three years in the league and the Cardinals pretty much did me a favor, signing me for $100 million.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: historiophiliac</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[historiophiliac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 03:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[lmao!  I&#039;m gonna start calling you bubbalions!  The Bassmaster tourney was just here.  I thought you were a fly fisherman.  Are you playing with me?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lmao!  I&#8217;m gonna start calling you bubbalions!  The Bassmaster tourney was just here.  I thought you were a fly fisherman.  Are you playing with me?</p>
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		<title>By: historiophiliac</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 02:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe, but it hasn&#039;t changed much so far...but there could be reasons for that, I guess.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe, but it hasn&#8217;t changed much so far&#8230;but there could be reasons for that, I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: paperlions</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 02:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some....maybe....but I would be shocked if in 20 years what you wanted out of life wasn&#039;t different that what you want now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some&#8230;.maybe&#8230;.but I would be shocked if in 20 years what you wanted out of life wasn&#8217;t different that what you want now.</p>
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		<title>By: historiophiliac</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 02:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No offense, but I don&#039;t think Pujols is your average player and there&#039;s always someone who ups the contract ante.  He was one of the best players in the game for years and it had to hurt to make less than Jeter when he was the contemporary face of the Cards.  I think he signed the contract when he was young believing that having proven his dedication to the team, they would keep him long term &amp; have a place later.

FYI, I know what I want to do the rest of my life.  Some people do know what they want.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No offense, but I don&#8217;t think Pujols is your average player and there&#8217;s always someone who ups the contract ante.  He was one of the best players in the game for years and it had to hurt to make less than Jeter when he was the contemporary face of the Cards.  I think he signed the contract when he was young believing that having proven his dedication to the team, they would keep him long term &amp; have a place later.</p>
<p>FYI, I know what I want to do the rest of my life.  Some people do know what they want.</p>
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		<title>By: historiophiliac</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 02:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know that show.  What is it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know that show.  What is it?</p>
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		<title>By: paperlions</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 02:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not to change the subject....but....do you ever watch Mudcats?  Love that show.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to change the subject&#8230;.but&#8230;.do you ever watch Mudcats?  Love that show.</p>
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		<title>By: paperlions</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 02:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What &quot;lower pay&quot;?  He never gave some discount.  He signed a $100M deal after playing only a couple of years because he wanted to avoid risk.  It is greedy to expect to both avoid risk and maximize dollars, that just doesn&#039;t happen when you have no negotiating leverage.

Again, no one that is 10+ years from retirement insists on a 10-year long personal services contract.  No one.  Sure, he could ask for such a thing, but he shouldn&#039;t have been surprised that the Cardinals didn&#039;t want to make a 20 year long commitment.  No team does such things.

I get the impression that he though, &quot;I&#039;m Albert Fucking Pujols.  You NEED me.  You&#039;ll give me everything I want or I&#039;ll leave.&quot;  Well, bye.  Enjoy living 1/2 your year away from your family.  Being a relative no body in that town and never being the most popular player on your team again.  But hey, enjoy having made $350M in stead of only &quot;$310M, I&#039;m sure that makes it all worth it.

A lot of people say they want to do something for the rest of their lives...that usually isn&#039;t true, as they simply can&#039;t anticipate how they will change through time....which is why no one signs life time contacts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What &#8220;lower pay&#8221;?  He never gave some discount.  He signed a $100M deal after playing only a couple of years because he wanted to avoid risk.  It is greedy to expect to both avoid risk and maximize dollars, that just doesn&#8217;t happen when you have no negotiating leverage.</p>
<p>Again, no one that is 10+ years from retirement insists on a 10-year long personal services contract.  No one.  Sure, he could ask for such a thing, but he shouldn&#8217;t have been surprised that the Cardinals didn&#8217;t want to make a 20 year long commitment.  No team does such things.</p>
<p>I get the impression that he though, &#8220;I&#8217;m Albert Fucking Pujols.  You NEED me.  You&#8217;ll give me everything I want or I&#8217;ll leave.&#8221;  Well, bye.  Enjoy living 1/2 your year away from your family.  Being a relative no body in that town and never being the most popular player on your team again.  But hey, enjoy having made $350M in stead of only &#8220;$310M, I&#8217;m sure that makes it all worth it.</p>
<p>A lot of people say they want to do something for the rest of their lives&#8230;that usually isn&#8217;t true, as they simply can&#8217;t anticipate how they will change through time&#8230;.which is why no one signs life time contacts.</p>
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		<title>By: historiophiliac</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 02:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That is, of course, my opinion -- being close personal friends and all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is, of course, my opinion &#8212; being close personal friends and all.</p>
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		<title>By: historiophiliac</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 02:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Because he *wanted* to be a Cardinal his whole career.  He wanted that reciprocal relationship and I think that&#039;s why he was willing to take the lower pay.  I think he thought there was a commitment there.  I think it really disappointed him that the mgmt didn&#039;t feel the same about him.  If you know he&#039;s going to be there til the end anyway, why not get the contract out of the way?  Then there&#039;s clarity on both sides.  He brought them a lot of goodwill &amp; PR.  I don&#039;t think it was a Cleveland-LeBron thing for him really.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because he *wanted* to be a Cardinal his whole career.  He wanted that reciprocal relationship and I think that&#8217;s why he was willing to take the lower pay.  I think he thought there was a commitment there.  I think it really disappointed him that the mgmt didn&#8217;t feel the same about him.  If you know he&#8217;s going to be there til the end anyway, why not get the contract out of the way?  Then there&#8217;s clarity on both sides.  He brought them a lot of goodwill &amp; PR.  I don&#8217;t think it was a Cleveland-LeBron thing for him really.</p>
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		<title>By: paperlions</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 01:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is there any other player in the majors that is 5+ years from retirement and has a personal services contract with his team already?  To me, that is just weird...what&#039;s the rush?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there any other player in the majors that is 5+ years from retirement and has a personal services contract with his team already?  To me, that is just weird&#8230;what&#8217;s the rush?</p>
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		<title>By: paperlions</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 01:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eh.

I don&#039;t think there was a reason to commit to a post-career position when he obviously still wants to play for 10 years.  What&#039;s the rush?  Why lock into a life-time deal that one or both sides may regret?

Teams sign a lot of guys to long-term deals, some work out in their favor, some do not....as soon as players like Vernon Wells start giving 75% of their pay back....I&#039;ll be all for players like Pujols getting &quot;backpay&quot;.  Can&#039;t just have it one way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eh.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think there was a reason to commit to a post-career position when he obviously still wants to play for 10 years.  What&#8217;s the rush?  Why lock into a life-time deal that one or both sides may regret?</p>
<p>Teams sign a lot of guys to long-term deals, some work out in their favor, some do not&#8230;.as soon as players like Vernon Wells start giving 75% of their pay back&#8230;.I&#8217;ll be all for players like Pujols getting &#8220;backpay&#8221;.  Can&#8217;t just have it one way.</p>
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		<title>By: historiophiliac</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 01:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Personally, I think they underpaid him for years and then weren&#039;t interested in giving him a little backpay so they could keep him there as face of the organization.  Also, I don&#039;t think they were interested in keeping him with the organization after his playing days were over -- and that&#039;s the part that seemed really stupid to me.

I probably shouldn&#039;t have this discussion with you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I think they underpaid him for years and then weren&#8217;t interested in giving him a little backpay so they could keep him there as face of the organization.  Also, I don&#8217;t think they were interested in keeping him with the organization after his playing days were over &#8212; and that&#8217;s the part that seemed really stupid to me.</p>
<p>I probably shouldn&#8217;t have this discussion with you.</p>
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