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The Mets outfield could be historically bad

Mar 22, 2013, 7:01 PM EDT

Kirk Nieuwenhuis, Rob Brantly AP

ESPN’s Adam Rubin reports that Mets GM Sandy Alderson doesn’t have any plans to bolster a very weak outfield:

Sandy Alderson said there is no cavalry coming to the rescue in the outfield. That means it will be Lucas Duda, Collin Cowgill, Marlon Byrd, Mike Baxter and Jordany Valdespin in the outfield in some configuration to open the season in all likelihood, as long as Valdespin isn’t pressed into infield duty by injuries.

“We’re going to go with the guys we have,” Alderson told Newsday about the outfield.

Last season, the Mets had the fifth-worst-hitting outfield in the big leagues going by weighted on-base average (wOBA), found at FanGraphs. The average wOBA for an NL outfield last year was .327; the Mets were found at .309. Their outfield has only gotten worse.

Since 1990, only seven outfields have been so weak as to post a wOBA under .300:

Season Team OF wOBA
2010 Mariners .299
1992 Padres .299
1992 Angels .296
1993 Marlins .294
2012 Mariners .293
2012 Astros .287
2011 Mariners .276

Of the five outfielders the Mets plan to use on their 25-man roster, only Duda (.325 wOBA) is expected to have any proficiency with the bat, according to Dan Szymborski’s ZiPS projection system. It is going to be a long year in Queens.

  1. thebadguyswon - Mar 22, 2013 at 7:08 PM

    Bad….but it should at least be funny.

    • Old Gator - Mar 22, 2013 at 7:37 PM

      Oh yes. There are going to be some games between the Mutts and the Feesh this season that ought to rival any of Lord Buckley’s most absurd routines. For example, they might perform one that could be called “The Schnozz” after Ike Davis, a cat so sweeet, sooooo cooool, that when he laid down a bunt, it just stayed there….

      • thebadguyswon - Mar 22, 2013 at 8:28 PM

        Mets-Marlins 2013
        – Redefining Must-See TV

      • tellyspop - Mar 23, 2013 at 8:14 AM

        “Hipsters, flipsters and finger-poppin’ daddies,
        Knock me your lobes!
        I came here to lay the Mets out,
        Not to hip you to them.
        The bad jazz that a cat blows
        Wails long after he’s cut out,
        The groovy is often stashed with their frames.
        So don’t put da Mets down….”

        I dig infinity too.

    • fanofevilempire - Mar 22, 2013 at 7:43 PM

      Mets suck!

      • thebadguyswon - Mar 22, 2013 at 8:29 PM

        Yeah….your geriatric wonders should be fantastic this year. Hurry up…let Cashman know that Eddie Murray is considering coming out of retirement!

  2. kvanhorn87 - Mar 22, 2013 at 7:15 PM

    As bad as Philadelphia’s?

    • spudchukar - Mar 22, 2013 at 7:31 PM

      Yeah, the Brown, Revere, and Mayberry might give them a run for their money.

      • thebadguyswon - Mar 22, 2013 at 7:34 PM

        Really? Come on man. I’m a Mets fan and no fan of Philly, but their OF is ten times better. Let’s be objective.

      • Old Gator - Mar 22, 2013 at 7:34 PM

        With the Wilpoons in charge, it doesn’t surprise me that the Mutts are going to be this awful. I gotta say, though, that the idea of such an anemic Feelies lineup is really going to take some getting used to.

    • chill1184 - Mar 22, 2013 at 7:41 PM

      The Mets outfield can at least boast that it’s 100% Free of Anti-Semites

      • jerze2387 - Mar 22, 2013 at 9:34 PM

        IDK..ive heard things about marlon byrd…and lucas duda may be german…

  3. sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Mar 22, 2013 at 7:25 PM

    Wright may miss time, Murphy may miss time, and Davis has been none too sturdy himself. So I guess what I am saying is, at least the infield won’t be showing up the outfield by comparison.

    On the other hand, with a few lucky breaks (Wright’s health, David consistency, Duda gets his 30 knows that people were predicting last spring, Cowgill lives up to his prospect hype) the team could be respectable.That might mean a .500 record, but respectable nonetheless.

    • thebadguyswon - Mar 22, 2013 at 7:35 PM

      M aybe…..doubt it though.

  4. oztotten008 - Mar 22, 2013 at 7:26 PM

    Is this the year the Mariners bust off of this list, btw?

  5. jcoan59 - Mar 22, 2013 at 7:33 PM

    So wait they get rid of roughly 650 PAs of under .300 wOBA and they are going to get worse?

    • jcoan59 - Mar 22, 2013 at 7:35 PM

      things* not the 2nd they

  6. proudlycanadian - Mar 22, 2013 at 7:58 PM

    I have seen worse Mets outfields. They were really really bad in the early years of the franchise.

  7. uuddlrlrbastart - Mar 22, 2013 at 8:22 PM

    I certainly don’t expect the outfield to be good by any stretch, but with properly utilized platoon splits, I wouldn’t expect historical awfulness. Assuming Terry Collins knows what that is.

    • thebadguyswon - Mar 22, 2013 at 8:30 PM

      That’s a huge assumption.

  8. warpd - Mar 22, 2013 at 8:44 PM

    Gotta hand it to the Mariners, not only have they set the bar with a wOBA of .276, they also managed to keep it under .300 for three consecutive years from 2010-12. That Zduriencik hiring is certainly paying dividends.

  9. lja76 - Mar 22, 2013 at 9:44 PM

    i dont get it. last yr we had the same outfield minus bay and torres. how can we be even worse? maybe if anything on the defense. but offense? really?

    • lja76 - Mar 22, 2013 at 9:47 PM

      just fyi, atleast the mets were never on that list of the worst wOBA under .300. at least we have one silver lining

    • paperlions - Mar 22, 2013 at 10:11 PM

      Hairston was easily their best OF last year and he’s gone. Baxter also hit better than anyone else that’s left….is even going to get playing time?

  10. paperlions - Mar 22, 2013 at 10:15 PM

    Bill, just want to say thanks for the use of wOBA….this feels like a historical moment in HBT posts that shouldn’t be ignored. Worth noting though that wOBA is NOT park adjusted, which is one reason you get so many Mariners/Padres/Marlins listed.

  11. gbar22 - Mar 22, 2013 at 10:29 PM

    But don’t worry Sandy is the man with the master plan. At this rate the Royals will make the playoffs before the Mets see .500 again.

  12. kev86 - Mar 22, 2013 at 11:00 PM

    Brutal. Should never get this bad. Wilpons did this.

  13. mottershead1972 - Mar 23, 2013 at 8:36 AM

    I thought bobby Bonilla and Jason bay were in their outfield… They’re on their payroll!

  14. buffalomafia - Mar 23, 2013 at 10:30 AM

    How hard is it to play the outfeild?

  15. scoocha - Mar 23, 2013 at 2:55 PM

    They’ll be better than suggested since the NL is historically worse every year.

  16. mrznyc - Mar 23, 2013 at 6:31 PM

    Get used to stories like this because until Fred and Jeff are gone this is all you’re going to read about the Mets.. What I don’t get is Selig. He forces McCourt out of LA because he’s an admitted jerk, but the Wilpons who most belivve to be criminal are allowed to stay. What does Fred have on him? Did Bud have his fingers in the Madoff pie along with Fred and Jeff? Just askin’.

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