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The NFL caves: the Ravens to open on the road, preserving the O’s-White Sox September 5 game

Mar 22, 2013, 4:00 PM EDT

That conflict in which the Baltimore Ravens wanted to open up at home on September 5 but couldn’t because the Orioles and White Sox were playing that same night? The NFL caved:

Man, Roger Goodell loses another high-profile showdown. Someone check on Michael Silver, will ya? Based on what he wrote on Tuesday, I feel like he’s watching his dad get beat up or something.

  1. chill1184 - Mar 22, 2013 at 4:04 PM

    Piss off Goodell your powers are meaningless against MLB. Good job Orioles

    • hep3 - Mar 22, 2013 at 4:48 PM

      “You need to just move the game. It will be better for all.” Bud Selig using Jedi Mind Tricks against a weaker foe.

      I can’t believe I really posted that.

  2. proudlycanadian - Mar 22, 2013 at 4:05 PM

    What is the NFL?

    • DelawarePhilliesFan - Mar 22, 2013 at 4:17 PM

      It’s a halfway house for felons

    • Panda Claus - Mar 22, 2013 at 5:36 PM

      It’s kind of like the CFL, only better. :)

  3. gerryb323 - Mar 22, 2013 at 4:10 PM

    Apparently the O’s were willing to bump up the game (allegedly). Statement from the Ravens:

    “The Ravens greatly appreciate the willingness of the Orioles to adjust the start of their game in an effort to make this sports spectacular happen. But, in the end, anticipated problems with parking, rush-hour traffic, plus crowd and car congestion around Oriole Park and M&T Bank Stadium, will keep the doubleheader from taking place.”

  4. illegalblues - Mar 22, 2013 at 4:11 PM

    this makes me so happy

  5. dowhatifeellike - Mar 22, 2013 at 4:13 PM

    It would have been cool to walk across the parking lot from one game to the other, but yes, a logistical nightmare for the entire area. Glad the O’s didn’t bend over backwards.

  6. number42is1 - Mar 22, 2013 at 4:15 PM

    The season hasn’t started and already the O’s are 1-0!

  7. DelawarePhilliesFan - Mar 22, 2013 at 4:16 PM

    Lets see:

    A) trying to publically shame the Orioles and White Sox into something they had no vested interest in what so ever
    B) turning up the volume so that any friendly accomodation by the O’s would look like weakness
    C) acting haughty the whole time
    D) Prentending that NFL Opening Night is a long tradtion (I have Sneakers that are older then that game)

    What went wrong?

    • pauleee - Mar 22, 2013 at 5:39 PM

      Sneakers!? Man, you just dated yourself.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Mar 22, 2013 at 6:19 PM

        Setec Astronomy? Mean anything to you guys…

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Mar 22, 2013 at 8:34 PM

        Well what do peopel call them these days? My 7 year old daughter calls them Sneakers.

        I thought about saying “version of Outlook that is older” (seriously, I did), but that sounded tooo nerdy. So I stuck with sneakers. Or athletic footwear, orwhatever the cool kids call it these days ;)

  8. guppies66 - Mar 22, 2013 at 4:18 PM

    World Series ratings just plummeted. Going to lose to Sunday Night game between Chiefs and Cardinals.

  9. chacochicken - Mar 22, 2013 at 4:19 PM

    I hope the O’s sent Roger a letter like the reply the Zaporozhian Cossacks sent to the Ottoman sultan.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reply_of_the_Zaporozhian_Cossacks

    • ugglasforearms - Mar 22, 2013 at 5:26 PM

      Thanks for the link. Still laughing at “…and thou canst kiss us thou knowest where!”

  10. dolphindubs - Mar 22, 2013 at 4:20 PM

    It’s not how many punches you throw that determines what type of man you are, but rather how many punches you take.

    Bucket List Item #214: Use that saying in a fitting manner sometime. Check!

  11. DelawarePhilliesFan - Mar 22, 2013 at 4:21 PM

    P.S. Everyone jump over to PFT and take a victory lap!

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/22/ravens-orioles-cant-reach-a-deal-for-thursday-opener/

    • voteforno6 - Mar 22, 2013 at 4:24 PM

      Yeah, I had to correct some douchebag Redskins fan who claimed that the Nats would never dare schedule a game at the same time as the ‘skins.

      • nineroutsider - Mar 22, 2013 at 4:40 PM

        The one thing that PFT has no shortage of is Douchebags. Also, beware…there has never been a message board as censored as PFT. I think all of the comments flow into the NFL office first and our approved there.

        Well played MLB…well played!

      • jm91rs - Mar 22, 2013 at 11:21 PM

        You have to ignore logicalvoices on that site. Saying illogical things is kind of his schtick

    • illegalblues - Mar 22, 2013 at 4:46 PM

      jesus christ, that commenting sections attracts absolute trash. i feel dumber after wading through that muck.

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Mar 22, 2013 at 4:50 PM

        Yes, but if the folks on HBT all start posting on PFT, then the intelligence level will go up….well, go up a little…..or stay the same….or perhaps go down.

        Oh screw it, we won, they lost. Everyone get on their case!!!

      • illegalblues - Mar 22, 2013 at 4:58 PM

        i think we’re all just cool hangin’ out here. i like it here

    • underageerotica - Mar 22, 2013 at 5:23 PM

      I’d like to point out that the PFT folks do not represent all football fans. Check out this thread in the in the NFL section of reddit.

      http://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/1atdo1/ravens_cant_reach_compromise_with_orioles_sb/

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Mar 22, 2013 at 5:29 PM

        My gloating not with standing, I would never, ever for one minute associate PFT with football fans. I suspect most Ravens fans don’t give a flying hoot about opening at home – 8 home games 8 road games no matter what.

        The team and the league wnat the money, the fans don’t really care

  12. blazertop - Mar 22, 2013 at 4:22 PM

    Way to go MLB and the Orioles!
    You were there first.

  13. bowwserr - Mar 22, 2013 at 4:23 PM

    No offense (if this post doesn’t get deleted, that is), but the NFL should have won this one. It’s one of 16 games for the defending champion Ravens. One of 162 for the “Sometimes they’re ok, sometimes they’re terrible, and no one ever really cares” Orioles. Is Bud really THAT much of a hardass? Ask the Baltimore fans which one they’d prefer. I love both sports equally and hate both teams just as much, but the defending NFL champs opening the season, at home, has been pretty cool to see recently and I wish it could continue.

    • Kevin S. - Mar 22, 2013 at 4:29 PM

      This isn’t PFT, posts don’t get deleted for differing opinions, but not the NFL should not have one this one. MLB had the date first, and moving the game up would have been much more of a hardship since both teams fly in from different cities after night games on Wednesday. What hardship do the Ravens and Patriots suffer by playing Wednesday night?

      • voteforno6 - Mar 22, 2013 at 4:33 PM

        I doubt it was a hardship on the part of the teams. The league, however, would probably take a revenue hit, since ad buys on Wednesdays are probably less than on Thursdays. That’s assuming that NBC would even agree to move the game to Wednesday night, which I doubt.

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Mar 22, 2013 at 4:38 PM

        I have to agree with my good friend Kevin (heh-heh). The NFL easily could have played the game on Wedensday – they played on Rosh Hashsanh last year!

        The NFL never ever understood – this is not MLB’s problem at all, and by amping up the volume while askign for a favor, they made it LESS likely the O’s and White Sox would do them a favor, since it hit a point that any accomodation would loook like weakness.

      • nineroutsider - Mar 22, 2013 at 4:43 PM

        Seriously, only PFT has an API of the comments flowing into the NFL HQ office for approval. HBT is so much better about censorship. Also the quality of writing is superior as is the intelligence levels of the fans and writers.

      • bowwserr - Mar 22, 2013 at 5:33 PM

        Very good point. They suffer no hardship at all. And I’m right there with the rest of you: why do the NFL any favors? But my comment wasn’t about helping the NFL or hurting the MLB; it had everything to do with me wanting to see something that could turn into a really cool tradition (yes, I know. It’s not yet a tradition so it doesn’t count. As if baseball has existed forever and every single one of yall were born with the words to “Take Me Out to the Ballgame” permanently chiseled into your brain. Give me a break.). And can anyone please explain to me what kind of hardship the Orioles/Sox would suffer by simply postponing the game, as every MLB team does MULTIPLE times a season due to weather? Doesn’t really seem to break their banks or backs then….why is this different?

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Mar 22, 2013 at 5:56 PM

        And can anyone please explain to me what kind of hardship the Orioles/Sox would suffer by simply postponing the game

        Correct me if I’m wrong, but this is the only trip that the ChiSox make to Baltimore, so if they rescheduled the game they’d have to find a time when both teams had a free date, later in the season, where both teams would be inconvenienced. Never mind that the baseball game was scheduled first.

        Now, explain what hardship the NFL is facing? There are 7 days in the week and the NFL could showcase this game in any other 6 of them. They opened the season on Wednesday last year, so where’s the problem? They opened the season during the first night of Rosh Hashanah last year, when there wasn’t a problem. What’s stopping the NFL from opening on Fri or Saturday night?

      • voteforno6 - Mar 22, 2013 at 7:36 PM

        My guess is that, more than anything, this has to do with the NBC contract. Most likely, the NFL is locked in to that Thursday night slot. They will never admit, though, that money drives many of their decisions.

    • dowhatifeellike - Mar 22, 2013 at 4:30 PM

      Ask MLB how much they care about the NFL getting what they want. Go ahead. I’ll wait here.

      Playing out a schedule as written and as planned is far more important than any feel good home opener nonsense.

    • voteforno6 - Mar 22, 2013 at 4:31 PM

      It’s not just up to the Orioles. The White Sox and the player’s union would’ve had to agree as well. Besides, why should MLB bend over backwards and take a revenue hit, just to accommodate another sports league? This was a problem created by the NFL. They could’ve requested that date in Baltimore, as they did in other cities, but they didn’t. Instead of owning up to their mistake, they tried to bully their way out of the situation. The NFL behaved like petulant children, and got their behinds swatted as a result.

    • paperlions - Mar 22, 2013 at 4:32 PM

      This is HBT, not PFT. Posts here aren’t deleted because the management disagrees with them.

      • historiophiliac - Mar 22, 2013 at 5:08 PM

        Yeah, you have to *earn* it with crazy racism or something.

  14. shukey11 - Mar 22, 2013 at 4:27 PM

    Even better if the game gets rained out that day. oh that would be something

  15. sgtr0c - Mar 22, 2013 at 4:34 PM

    The only thing the nfl loses is the location. Everything else will be a major win for them on the opening game of the 2013. What do you think the ratings difference will be between the MLB and nfl games?

    MLB kinda just looks like the jerk kid who takes his ball home so no one can play.

    • zzalapski - Mar 22, 2013 at 4:49 PM

      Why would MLB give a shit about NFL ratings? MLB isn’t hurting for advertising revenue.

      • sgtr0c - Mar 22, 2013 at 5:05 PM

        50k will watch the Reds/Ori, 1 billion will watch the nfl game. Maybe that’s why they should care.

      • Kevin S. - Mar 22, 2013 at 5:09 PM

        Even allowing that your numbers are hyperbole, MLB doesn’t care. They’re doing just fine, thank you.

      • pauleee - Mar 22, 2013 at 5:47 PM

        Really? 1 billion people? Aside from people in the states (and US military personnel around the world) no other country watches or cares about American football.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Mar 22, 2013 at 5:58 PM

        1 billion will watch the nfl game.

        Umm, no. This isn’t the World Cup Finals were talking about here. This is about opening night in the NFL. Looking at these numbers from last year*, and someone correct me if I’m wrong, but unless the viewers are going to increase by a factor of 50, you are way off on the 1B mark…

        http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2012/09/06/tv-ratings-wednesday-nfl-season-opener-down-but-still-dominates-night-big-brother-so-you-think-you-can-dance-fall-plus-dnc-coverage/147493/

    • nightman13 - Mar 22, 2013 at 5:15 PM

      @sgtr0c

      Now I’m a much bigger football fan than baseball, but I respect baseball and their fans more than football fans. That being said…

      * The NFL is being sued into oblivion for covering up the effects of concussions.
      * The NFL is trying to expand to 18 games strictly for money purposes and those two game will kill the NFL
      * The NFL is potentially facing a lawsuit from one of their owners that will expose collusion and could rob them of their anti-trust exemption
      * The NFL still isn’t HGH testing and Congress has noticed.

      MLB is enjoying plenty of success in the meantime and here’s a history lesson for you. baseball was the king of sports until they got greedy and labor strife and the fallout opened the door for the NFL to take over. Which sport looks more likely to face a collapse in the next few years based on the above? It sure isn’t MLB.

      • sgtr0c - Mar 22, 2013 at 6:23 PM

        :)hahaha

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Mar 22, 2013 at 10:47 PM

        Yep! Consider (and btw, I am not anti-football):

        – In 1970, there was ONE player in ALL of football that weighed 300 pounds. Today’s average weight of a OL = 311 pounds (its steroids, and there will be hell to pay someday)
        – Barry Bonds is MLB public enemy #1 because he is an asshole and he took steroids to set an all time record. Ray Lweis is a hero despite….well, its all public record (the pendulum is going to sway against felon NFL players)
        – MLB Teams are taking flack because pitchers rarely go complete games. The NFL players get concussions playing in 25 point blowouts with 2 minutes remaining (10 billion dollar class action suit?)

        Football has at leats 50 years to go until they can match what baseball has done. Good luck.

  16. sdelmonte - Mar 22, 2013 at 4:40 PM

    I still don’t get why they couldn’t do both at once. The Mets and the US Open share the same parking lots and subway station for at least one weekend a year.

    • yogibear77 - Mar 22, 2013 at 5:31 PM

      It’s the parking plus the traffic in this area sucks as it is. Streets closed all over the city for repairs + rush hour = nightmare. Even still, it wasn’t solely up to the O’s. The White Sox and Players Union would had to have signed off on this and I don’t think they were going to. Sticky any way you look at it.

  17. bmorelikeme - Mar 22, 2013 at 4:52 PM

    As someone who is apparently very rare around these parts, I’m a huge fan of both sports, specifically the Orioles and the Ravens. I’m pretty pissed that something couldn’t have been worked out. Granted it’s not an age old tradition, it still would’ve been great for the city of Baltimore to host the opening game of the NFL season. Something the Ravens earn via the championship last year.

    I feel like $ and egos from both sides got in the way of something special for the city of Baltimore.

    • bravojawja - Mar 22, 2013 at 5:05 PM

      What was stopping them from opening at home on Sunday, the day God intended pro football to be played? Thursday night is for bad college football and reminiscing about the old NBC comedy schedule.

      • nightman13 - Mar 22, 2013 at 5:17 PM

        Awesome and awesome

  18. albertmn - Mar 22, 2013 at 5:03 PM

    If the NFL is worried, they should either request MLB not schedule any potential conflicting teams at home that Thursday, or be willing to have the champ potentially start on the road some seasons. But, do most fans really care about who plays that first Thursday, as long as it isn’t 2 bottom feeder teams (like most of the late season Thursday games)?

  19. underageerotica - Mar 22, 2013 at 5:23 PM

    I’d like to point out that the PFT folks do not represent all football fans. Check out this thread in the in the NFL section of reddit.

    http://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/1atdo1/ravens_cant_reach_compromise_with_orioles_sb/

  20. pbastille - Mar 22, 2013 at 5:34 PM

    I’m both an O’s fan and a Ravens fan — I own Ravens season tix and attend a half dozen or so O’s games a year. The O’s have a bit of an image problem in Baltimore thanks to their ownership, and making a switch here would’ve been a nice step towards fixing that. Hopefully the Os will be relevant again this year, but odds are they won’t be. With the Ravens on tv that night, the Os will be lucky to draw 5,000. I did a quick look of weekday September games at OPACY againjst non-rivals in Sept of 2011 and they were averaging between 10-15K. In terms of NFL vs MLB, this was a big MLB win. In terms of the Baltimore sports fan, though, this feels like everybody loses. That day was going to be a huge party.

  21. Kevin Gillman - Mar 22, 2013 at 6:13 PM

    A big win for MLB.

  22. ddjesus - Mar 22, 2013 at 6:21 PM

    Forum/comment section territory wars are kind of sad, and by constantly stroking your own ego’s you guys aren’t exactly the sparkling beacon of maturity you claim to be.

  23. philliesblow - Mar 22, 2013 at 6:32 PM

    Orioles would have moved the game if Ray Lewis hadn’t retired. But since he isn’t around to kill anyone they weren’t going to back down.

  24. tseekins - Mar 22, 2013 at 6:33 PM

    What a tool Angelos is. I love me some Orioles, but, um, maybe a bit of respect for you neighbor? You know, the ones who WON last year. The O’s WILL be better this year, but i doubt that giving up 1 home game (or heaven forbid SWAP the series) will truly harm their season.

    This just goes to prove how classless that organization has become.

  25. eagles512 - Mar 22, 2013 at 7:19 PM

    Why not Wednesday like last year?

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