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Kyle Lohse “continues to ask for” $14-$15 million annually

Mar 24, 2013, 1:51 PM EDT

Jeff Passan of Yahoo! Sports reported last week that free agent Kyle Lohse was asking for a three-year, $45 million contract as recently as early March. And that asking price apparently hasn’t dipped much:

The main reason Lohse hasn’t found a home yet is because signing him requires the forfeiture of a top draft pick, but the asking price has surely played a significant role. With only one week to go until the first pitch of the regular season, Boras may have to get creative. The Rangers, Brewers, Angels and Rockies have all been linked to the 34-year-old Lohse this offseason, but there has been no serious movement toward a deal.

Lohse posted a 2.86 ERA and 1.09 WHIP in 211 innings (33 starts) last season for the Cardinals.

  1. ugglasforearms - Mar 24, 2013 at 1:56 PM

    Should have taken that $13.3 million.

  2. uyf1950 - Mar 24, 2013 at 1:57 PM

    Most recently I read that Boras was seeking Ryan Dempster type money for Lohse. Regardless if it’s 2 years or 3 years at somewhere in the neighborhood of $14MM per. I still don’t see a team willing to sign him,. At 34 years old and requiring a team to surrender their draft pick. With the amateur draft only about 9 weeks away Lohse better come down in his demands if he want to pitch before the middle of June.

    • ugglasforearms - Mar 24, 2013 at 2:07 PM

      And drop Boras, imo.

  3. markofapro - Mar 24, 2013 at 2:07 PM

    Fire Boras

  4. brewcrewfan54 - Mar 24, 2013 at 2:16 PM

    So lets see, rather than get paid maybe $10 or $11 million a season he’s going to sit at home and not get paid anything at all? Riiiiiiiiiiiight.

    • woody82986 - Mar 24, 2013 at 2:28 PM

      I know his situation is also caused by the draft pick debacle but his asking price and refusal to come down on it reminds me of Latrell Sprewell. “I got a family to feed!”

      • brewcrewfan54 - Mar 24, 2013 at 2:32 PM

        Ha! That sounds about right!

    • flcounselor - Mar 25, 2013 at 3:28 PM

      No, Lohse is going to pitch for our team and get $33 million. What do you have to say about Boras now?

  5. 13arod - Mar 24, 2013 at 2:19 PM

    if i was the GM of the rockies i wuld have signed him already the ranked last in pitching

  6. xerocc - Mar 24, 2013 at 2:20 PM

    He isn’t worth that, no wonder he isn’t signed. The draft pick loss just makes it that much greater of a price that its understandable nobody wants to pay it

  7. uwsptke - Mar 24, 2013 at 2:21 PM

    At this point with the draft 9 weeks away, and the likelihood that he wouldn’t be available for the first few weeks of the season, why would any team forfeit a first round pick for what would amount to maybe five extra starts?

  8. onbucky96 - Mar 24, 2013 at 2:21 PM

    Scott Boras strikes again. As a baseball fan, I hate Scott Boras.

    • js20011041 - Mar 24, 2013 at 2:34 PM

      Why? Other than extracting the maximum amount of money from the owners, what does Boras do that angers you?

      • ugglasforearms - Mar 24, 2013 at 2:41 PM

        Looks like he gave Lohse some bad advice on this one. “Don’t worry Kyle, any team would be glad to give up a draft pick to get you.”

      • js20011041 - Mar 24, 2013 at 2:51 PM

        Well, I can’t speak to this specific situation. I don’t know who is pushing the idea of Lohse holding out for $14 million annually. If it’s Boras, he’s hurting his client. If it’s Lohse, then he’s being unreasonable and will suffer the consequenses of that. What I don’t understand though is this blind hatred of Boras as if he’s doing anything to hurt the game or to hurt fans. The wealthy old men in the suits that run baseball are the ones that fuck taxpayers and fans six ways from Sunday.

      • brewcrewfan54 - Mar 24, 2013 at 3:05 PM

        I’ve also always wondered why people blame Boras so much. Ultimately it is the players choice to whether or not to sign. Boras certainly drives a hard bargain but that’s his job. The owners don’t haveto five in and in this instance they haven’t. Agents work for the player, the player doesn’t have to do what the agent advises.

      • paperlions - Mar 24, 2013 at 3:19 PM

        Yep, anyone that hates Boras for doing a good job of representing his clients just doesn’t understand the business of baseball. When they say “I hate Scott Boras”, they may as well be saying, “Man, I wish more of the dollars I spend on baseball stayed in the pockets of the owners instead of going to all these players I cheer for.”

      • tfbuckfutter - Mar 24, 2013 at 5:03 PM

        By driving up the cost for drafted players, he badly hurts the game.

        By making it so the worst franchises can’t draft the top talent because they can’t afford to gamble on the salaries he will demand, he badly hurts the game.

        By extracting those contracts for unproven players, who often time flame out, he damages the franchises who took the risk, and that badly hurts the game.

        By driving up the price for top tier draft picks, he is forcing them down the draft list, still getting the pay, but making them end up on teams like Detroit, instead of teams like Kansas City, which is the entire point of the draft.

        Not to mention by pushing salaries higher and higher, he impacts the pocket of FANS (granted, the owners are greedy assholes too, but costs being kept down in all areas keep ticket prices down).

        Scott Boras is bad for baseball. He is good for his clients, and he is good for the players as a whole because he can get middling guys like Kyle Lohse in excess of $10,000,000 a year after ONE career season at the age of 32….but he is AWFUL for the game as a whole, and the fans.

        The fact that anyone who works half a year playing a game makes more than the GDP of many small countries is absolutely absurd. Frankly the fact that any professional athlete makes more than $100,000 or $200,000 is absurd based on the actual work they do.

      • paperlions - Mar 24, 2013 at 5:28 PM

        Against, you don’t understand the business of baseball if you thing Boras is responsible for ANY of those things.

        Player salaries have nothing to do with ticket prices. Tickets are priced for what the market will bear. Many of the things you cite are just opinions, as it isn’t clear at all that many of them are anything close to correct.

        You are blaming Boras for the fact that MLB owners have a horrible profit sharing scheme in their cartel. It isn’t Boras’ fault that teams in great markets don’t want to share their profits with teams from smaller markets….just like it isn’t Boras’ fault that teams in those markets have monopolies enforced by MLB which allows for those differences in profits.

      • tfbuckfutter - Mar 24, 2013 at 5:35 PM

        I gave blame to the owners for their part.

        But again, if you think Boras (and his ilk, but he leads the pack) hasn’t driven player costs to absurd levels, and if you think that has no impact on ticket pricing, you’re crazy.

        Do you not remember JD Drew demanding $10,000,000 to sign in 1997 at Boras’ behest? Granted, that was for a multi-year deal….but just for comparison’s sake, Oakland’s entire TEAM salary in 1997 was $12 million. And that included Mark McGwire.

      • js20011041 - Mar 24, 2013 at 7:33 PM

        Player salaries have absolutely nothing to do with ticket prices. Between local and national TV money as well as revenue sharing, there isn’t a single team in baseball that isn’t profitable before you even take into account ticket sales. If fans want ticket prices to drop, then STOP BUYING TICKETS! If fans want concession prices to drop then STOP BUYING CONCESSIONS! The owners charge those prices because they know we’ll pay them.

      • tfbuckfutter - Mar 24, 2013 at 7:36 PM

        The cost of everything impacts the price of everything.

      • paperlions - Mar 24, 2013 at 7:47 PM

        No, the market affects the price. Player salaries are driven by the fact that fans will pay that much to watch baseball….not the other way around. In short, you have your cause backwards. Fans willingness to pay has lead to high salaries, not the other way around.

      • tfbuckfutter - Mar 24, 2013 at 7:58 PM

        Counter argument: Free agency led to players getting higher paydays, not the gouging of the fans (initially).

        Some owners realized they could draw more fans by having bigger name players…..THEN once the attendance was maximized that is when the prices started rising.

        Salaries rose before tickets. My point though is that, as I mentioned, the cost of everything involved in running a franchise affects the price of tickets. Yes the owners work to keep their profit margin, but everything affects the bottom line.

      • tfbuckfutter - Mar 24, 2013 at 8:01 PM

    • flcounselor - Mar 25, 2013 at 3:30 PM

      Hate on Boras all you want, but he did his job well. Lohse = 3 years, $33 million.

  9. bjbeliever - Mar 24, 2013 at 2:26 PM

    At this point he might as well just keep himself ready and wait for the draft to pass. Without having to give up that pick there will be more interest and guaranteed more than a few teams will be re-evaluating their starting rotation then as well.

  10. hustleandflomax - Mar 24, 2013 at 2:28 PM

    Reminds me of Cousin Eddie being unemployed for seven years because he was holding out for a Management position.

  11. icanspeel - Mar 24, 2013 at 2:34 PM

    Title should be “Kyle Lohse “continues to ask for” $14-$15 million annually and continues to have no job”

  12. historiophiliac - Mar 24, 2013 at 2:49 PM

    Man, I would never back any of you in a game of chicken.

  13. paperlions - Mar 24, 2013 at 3:21 PM

    I wish I could get a contract that agreed to pay me $14-15M over the next 200 years ($70-75K/year).

    • historiophiliac - Mar 24, 2013 at 3:22 PM

      You’re the worst negotiator ever. You’d be dead for the better part of your contract. smh

      • paperlions - Mar 24, 2013 at 3:23 PM

        So….what you are saying is that it would be good for me short-term but would bite me in the ass long-term?

      • historiophiliac - Mar 24, 2013 at 3:25 PM

        That’s beyond long-term. That’s like a dynastic fuck-up there.

      • historiophiliac - Mar 24, 2013 at 3:43 PM

        PS I don’t know if that would even be good for you short term b/c $75K will not buy what it does now in 20 years.

  14. timcast12 - Mar 24, 2013 at 3:33 PM

    Baseball sucks

    • historiophiliac - Mar 24, 2013 at 3:37 PM

      You’re right! How did I not see this before?! I am utterly persuaded by your argument, Sir. I’m freeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  15. cintiphil - Mar 24, 2013 at 4:20 PM

    Yes, Phil is back.

    No I don’t hate Boras, however the problem with him is that he thinks this is still the 70’s, when ball players were grossly underpaid, and the owners had the upper hand on every contract. Now it is much different but he still insists that the teams over pay all of his guys because they are getting cheated somehow. I don’t see it, and the overpaying of players leads to the high cost of cable and satalite T-V prices, game ticket prices and high cost of beer, hot dogs, on and on. If you can’t see that, then you are living in a fantacy. No mater what the players are paid, the owners are going to make money, or not present the game. So, after the cost of players, travel and all expenses, the owners are still going to make the percentage of profit they need to keep the games going. IF THERE IS NO PROFIT, WHY INVEST ALL OF THE TIME AND MONEY THEY DO NOW? And, they get the profit from you and me and everyone who pays to watch the games. They do not get it from T-V or and advertisers. They ultimately get it from US. I used to go to at least 15-20 games a year, but now I can not afford that. Also, I had to cancel my direct T-V contract because that was too high, so I watch much less B-B than I used to . I can still watch Fox Saturday baseball, but that is about it. Is that good for the game? You tell me. Oh, by the way, Lohse is not worth 14 mil a year for multiple years.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Mar 24, 2013 at 10:57 PM

      don’t see it, and the overpaying of players leads to the high cost of cable and satalite T-V prices, game ticket prices and high cost of beer, hot dogs, on and on. If you can’t see that, then you are living in a fantacy.

      Not sure how many times it can be said, but NO NO NO NO NO. That’s not how it works. If you run a business, and you constantly sell out of a product, it’s bad business to not continually increase the price of said product until the supply/demand line equalizes. That’s what happens in sports. Owners will continually push the cost of tickets higher, because as long as they continue to sell out, the owners will continue to make more and more money.

      None of that has to do with increasing salaries. It’s econ 101, supply and demand.

      • cintiphil - Mar 25, 2013 at 4:24 PM

        Really? How is it that Albert went to the Angels after they agreed to sign a new T-V contract? Who do you think is going to pay for the T-V contract? THE PEOPEL WHO SUBSCRIBE TO THE CABLE. WISE UP!

  16. officialgame - Mar 24, 2013 at 5:40 PM

    This is a joke. Boras pulled the same crap with Ryan Madsen who turned down 40M from the Phillies. He eventually signed a 1 year deal with the Reds for around 8M then proceeded to blow out his arm and still isn’t fully recovered. Boras cost Madsen millions. Now along comes Lohse and he is doing the same thing. Good luck. As far as I am concerned Lohse can stay home and rot.

    • latrops - Mar 25, 2013 at 11:15 AM

      I can’t stand Boras, but it isn’t his fault. Players know that Boras is going to play hardball. They sign with him because his tactics often result in better deals. It doesn’t always work, of course. Ryan Madson is a good example of what could happen when you reject what is offered in favor of attempting to find a better deal elsewhere….but Ryan Madson also agreed to reject good offers in favor of the potential larger payday in the future. He gambled and lost. He is the one who had more to gain/lose than Boras, but followed the typical Boras gameplan.

    • flcounselor - Mar 25, 2013 at 3:34 PM

      3 years, $33 million for Lohse.

      You would have left $20 million on the table. I guess now even you will admit that you’d suck as an agent.

  17. thebadguyswon - Mar 24, 2013 at 6:58 PM

    Hi Kyle! Here’s a 50 pound bag of salt you can pound!

  18. ranoversquarells - Mar 24, 2013 at 7:43 PM

    Overrated … I wouldn’t pay him more than 8 mill per year

  19. officialgame - Mar 24, 2013 at 8:28 PM

    Salaries absolutely play a part in ticket prices. Think of salaries as “cost of goods sold'”. When your cost go up you pass it on to the customers. Player salaries have risen faster then all other operating cost combined. Fortunately for baseball income via mega TV deals has increased dramatically but not in every single market.

    • flcounselor - Mar 25, 2013 at 3:35 PM

      Then how come college football tickets cost so much when the salaries are free?

      • cintiphil - Mar 25, 2013 at 4:27 PM

        THAT IS A CROC. Salaries in College football are paid to the coachs, recruiters and leave a large profit for the schools. That is where the dollars go.

  20. kelshannon19 - Mar 24, 2013 at 8:30 PM

    Boras is an Asshat. When the Stros drafted Carlos Correa and Lance McCullers, he praised the Astros for what they are doing, for getting creative and basically netting two first rounders. Now he says they are bad for baseball bc they don’t sign top dollar free agents during a rebuilding phase? You of all people should not be talking about integrity.

  21. djjackson81 - Mar 25, 2013 at 2:01 AM

    Boras is high and probably gonna keep Kylemfrom pitching at all with this crap

  22. stlouis1baseball - Mar 25, 2013 at 10:44 AM

    When anyone posts “player salaries have no bearing on ticket prices” I immediately wonder if they typed those words with a straight face. Riiight…no bearing whatsoever. And concessions aren’t affected either. Parking? Nope. Player salaries carry no weight on that either. It’s just those greedy old white men in the suits who have no feelings. Who don’t carry about the little guy who has to save up for three months to afford seats in the upper deck. And to make matters worse…those poor fans have to risk their lives ducking helicopters in the process. Oh…the humanity.

    Owners = responsible for everything bad in baseball.
    Agents and/or Players = responsible for everything good in baseball and nothing bad in baseball.

    When you break it down like this it really helps simplify things. As an added bonus…you use your brain far less as well.

    • flcounselor - Mar 25, 2013 at 3:39 PM

      Has a team ever lowered it’s prices when a big money player left?

      Of course not. Because salaries have no bearing on prices.

      Please study economics 101. You will learn that the law of supply and demand repealed says that the owners will charge as much as the market will bear.

      • stlouis1baseball - Mar 25, 2013 at 6:06 PM

        Thanks Mr. Obvious. Supply and demand mostly dicated prices. Yes. This is the case for tickets to a game…tickets to the ballet…tickets to a concert…the price of Alcohol…etc…
        I am not arguing this point.
        I am merely stating that player salaries also have an impact. And very much so.
        But yeah…let’s blame it on the Owners. Much easier that way. Fits right into our OCCUPY mindset.

  23. latrops - Mar 25, 2013 at 10:54 AM

    For most of his career, Lohse has been mediocre at best. He has been very good over the last two years, but do you pay 14+ million a year to a guy in his mid 30’s who had a career record below .500 and a career ERA near 5 at this time in 2011? You really think he keeps this up away from St. Louis? I sure wouldn’t bet on it.

    • flcounselor - Mar 25, 2013 at 3:41 PM

      You don’t need to because the Brewers did: 3 years $33 million.

      Boras knew what he was doing for his client.

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