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Kyle Lohse to sign with the Brewers

Mar 25, 2013, 12:30 PM EDT

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UPDATE: Nightengale says it’s three years, $33 million.

UPDATE: No official word on the contract yet but Tom Haurdricourt is hearing three years, $30 million. Which isn’t terrible for a guy like Lohse, methinks. Although giving up the draft pick to a division rival makes this a lot harder to take.

12:30 PM: I guess that “will pitch for food” Kyle Lohse has been carrying around Phoenix for the past couple of weeks has finally paid off: Jon Heyman reports that Lohse is going to sign with the Brewers.

It’s a good match, even if Milwaukee has to give up its first round pick — the 17th overall pick — this June. The Brewers rotation is shaky on paper and has been even more shaky than that during spring training.

Lohse is coming off a 16-3, 2.86 ERA in 33 starts with St. Louis. Many worried about how that would translate in the American League or in a tougher division. Now he doesn’t have to worry about either of those.

  1. brewcrewfan54 - Mar 25, 2013 at 12:35 PM

    The Brewers lousy pitching this spring made this deal no surprise.

    • Kleinz 57 - Mar 25, 2013 at 12:37 PM

      Its a short-sighted one though with a farm system as barren as theirs. Not a savvy move, Doug Melvin.

      • schuch10 - Mar 25, 2013 at 12:43 PM

        Of course it is short-sighted. We only have Aoki, ARam, Hart, and Weeks for a few more seasons. Try and win now, rather than develop a player for years. Also, we are loaded with young SP in the minors. People were “shocked” last year by how our youngsters performed and they will be once again.

      • brewcrewfan54 - Mar 25, 2013 at 12:49 PM

        While short sighted maybe, at least Lohse is a proven MLB starter even though I think his numbers last year were a bit of a fluke. You never know what ya may end up with in the draft. And I would bet this move was more forced on Melvin by ownership than anything else.

      • scatterbrian - Mar 25, 2013 at 1:34 PM

        You don’t really rebuild your farm system with a 17th pick. Check out the 17th picks over the years, not exactly littered with talent:

        http://www.baseball-reference.com/draft/?overall_pick=17&draft_type=junreg&

      • brewcitybummer - Mar 25, 2013 at 1:55 PM

        This is what pisses me off about my fellow Brewers fans. They read about the Brewers farm system on some Brewers fan site and conclude its loaded. Its not. They have 15 or so interesting guys. That’s a far cry from being “loaded” but you won’t know that unless you actually read about other teams and find out what a loaded farm system is. The brewers have one of the worst farm systems in baseball and 15 interesting guys. Those two things are not mutually exclusive. And Brewers fans would know that if they actually followed baseball as a whole and not just the Brewers.

      • ghostfishhunter - Mar 25, 2013 at 2:28 PM

        Scatterbrian, you could say that about basically any pick that’s not #1 overall, and it’s not even like #1 is a guaranteed lock. 17 has still pulled Hamels and Halliday among others.

      • scatterbrian - Mar 25, 2013 at 3:58 PM

        Perhaps ghost, but there is a big drop-off between the top pick, 2-5, and the rest of the first round. Sure, you might find a Halladay or Hamels down at 17, but since the Halladay draft in 1995, there are five guys who never got out of the minors and a few more who have done little to nothing. Point is the 17th pick isn’t so valuable or guaranteed (none are, actually) that you absolutely cannot give it up to upgrade your team for three seasons.

    • polonelmeagrejr - Mar 25, 2013 at 2:52 PM

      Lohse seems like a Brewer to me.

  2. jarathen - Mar 25, 2013 at 12:36 PM

    Good fit for both sides. Lohse stays in the NL and the Brewers get an arm. Wonder what the terms were.

  3. randygnyc - Mar 25, 2013 at 12:37 PM

    Wow, going to wait to see what the money looks like, but the brewers didn’t give up a pick for a one year deal. Looks like the magician performed more tricks in the face of regressive disadvantages.

    • uyf1950 - Mar 25, 2013 at 1:08 PM

      No, they gave up a pick (the 17th in the draft) for what will be a 37 year old in the final year of that 3 year deal.

  4. uyf1950 - Mar 25, 2013 at 12:42 PM

    Personally I think the Brewers are crazy. But let’s see what the actual deal is for. BTW, Thank you Brewers the Yankees 3 picks are now #s: 26, 31 and 32

    • brewcrewfan54 - Mar 25, 2013 at 12:54 PM

      And ya got Vernon Wells!

      • uyf1950 - Mar 25, 2013 at 1:06 PM

        Brewcrewfan, your comment reminds me of something that I still remember to this day. Basically it’s “if your friend jumped off a building would you”. So your rational is because the Yankees are signing Wells it’s ok for the Brewers to sign a 34 year old Lohse for 3 years/$33MM plus a potential $1MM performance bonus plus losing their 17 pick in the draft. Somehow that logic escapes me. In any case have a good day.
        BTW, Wells is what I will call a filler player someone just expected to hold down the position until Granderson returns sometime in early May. Can you say the Brewers expect the same of Lohse.

      • brewcrewfan54 - Mar 25, 2013 at 1:10 PM

        I was just joking around man.

      • uyf1950 - Mar 25, 2013 at 1:12 PM

        My apologies if that’s the case. But I’m sure you realize across the blogs Yankee fans have been taking a lot of chit about that deal.

      • buggieowens - Mar 25, 2013 at 2:56 PM

        perhaps the thumbs-down and the “chit” is for Yankees fans who turn all baseball related news into Yankee-related news…just sayin’…

    • spudchukar - Mar 25, 2013 at 1:04 PM

      Hopefully for the Yanks the picks turn out better than the over-hyped “Killer B’s”.

      • uyf1950 - Mar 25, 2013 at 1:10 PM

        Better to have them and hope they do then not have and wish you did.

      • spudchukar - Mar 25, 2013 at 1:13 PM

        Uh, yeah, that is hard to argue with, by the way UYF, my good buddy, what is the current status of the B’s?

      • uyf1950 - Mar 25, 2013 at 1:25 PM

        Betances is in ST camp with the Yankees. He’s actually pitched a few good games. Control has been his problem He’s looked better in ST but obviously that’s not a very big sample size. But if you want my opinion that’s at least reason for hope. He will start the season in Triple A.

        Banuelos was injured last year. Has been rehabbing and is expected to start the season in Double A because of the missed time. But he was doing good before the injury. I except him baring any setbacks this year to make the rotation if not at the start of the 2014 season sometime during that season. The good part is he just turned 22 on March 13.

  5. spudchukar - Mar 25, 2013 at 12:45 PM

    Glad to see Lohse get his due, but he will be hard pressed to replicate his 3 year excellence in St. Louis, in that park and infield defense. I haven’t seen enough of Segura at SS, but Ramirez, Weeks, and Hart all project to be sub-par. Still, he is a major upgrade over everyone but Gallardo, and might solidify 3rd place in the NL Central, small consolation that that is.

    • jarathen - Mar 25, 2013 at 1:01 PM

      I followed Segura in the Angels’ system, and it seems that he will eventually move off of SS, but he should be fine there for several years yet.

      • spudchukar - Mar 25, 2013 at 1:05 PM

        Not exactly an exhilarating endorsement, but thanks for the info.

    • nightman13 - Mar 25, 2013 at 1:53 PM

      Hart was phenomenal at 1B last year considering he was making a midseason switch

  6. padraighansen - Mar 25, 2013 at 12:46 PM

    Two ways to look at this – first, the Brewers need quality arms now, and they’ve hit and missed on 1st round picks since Jack Zduriencik went to Seattle….so maybe it’s not as much of a gamble as originally thought. Second, the success rate of other Dave Duncan reclamation projects once they leave STL has not been stellar….so hopefully a team option for the 3rd year?

    • spudchukar - Mar 25, 2013 at 12:52 PM

      If the 30 mil figure is accurate, I doubt the 3rd year is an option.

    • brewcrewfan54 - Mar 25, 2013 at 12:52 PM

      They were missing on pitchers in the draft when Jack Z was here so nothing changed in that department.

      • uwsptke - Mar 25, 2013 at 12:55 PM

        Jack Z was terrible when it came to drafting arms (hell, he didn’t even want Gallardo. Melvin had to overrule him), but was really great at drafting hitters with limited defensive value.

  7. beefytrout - Mar 25, 2013 at 12:50 PM

    FINALLY!!! No more “Lohse to Rangers?” nonsense. He was never ever ever going to the Rangers. Ever.

    • tcb2nyc - Mar 25, 2013 at 1:17 PM

      Actually, I think the Rangers were interested, but just glad they didnt do it.

      Thank you, Brewers, for taking this guy off the market before my favorite team made the mistake of doing it!!!

  8. uwsptke - Mar 25, 2013 at 12:53 PM

    What’s the definition of insanity again? I guess we didn’t learn our lesson from the Suppan and Wolf deals, so hopefully the money isn’t outrageous.

    I’m guessing that by allowing Gomez to sign an extension just one year away from free agency was a “I’ll scratch your back” move by Boras, and this was the Brewers returning the favor. They do seem to be one of the rare teams to be on somewhat friendly terms with Boras.

    • brewcrewfan54 - Mar 25, 2013 at 1:08 PM

      They did draft Boras’s son last year but I think he chose to go to college instead of signing. Onto the Lhose deal, I hate losing that pick also but with the way the pitching has gone this spring they didn’t have mich choice unless they wanted to basically be out of it on opening day. Rodgers can’t hit 90mph on the gun, Fiers has stunk, Narveson isn’t much better and Estrada as our 2 is a scary thought. Unfortunately this had to be done.

      • kollin7 - Mar 25, 2013 at 3:47 PM

        Sure Estrada maybe isn’t ready to be an opening day #2, but I, and others around the organization, really like him. Has great potential. Posted a 1.88 ERA in Spring Training.

      • brewcrewfan54 - Mar 25, 2013 at 4:28 PM

        Yeah I shouldn’t have been so negative about Estrada because I actually like him. I just think that him making his first starting rotation as a 2 is more scary for the rotation as a whole then him individually. Should have written that a little clearer.

  9. okwhitefalcon - Mar 25, 2013 at 12:53 PM

    Countdown to fellow Cards fans salivating over compensatory pick.

    • paperlions - Mar 25, 2013 at 1:30 PM

      I assume you started that countdown at zero.

      • okwhitefalcon - Mar 25, 2013 at 1:41 PM

        T Minus Zero indeed.

        HPGF’s already scouring pre-draft boards like shoppers on Black Friday.

  10. Kevin S. - Mar 25, 2013 at 12:54 PM

    Next time people are crowing about how Boras screwed over a client, I’m sure they’ll forget about how they crowed about this one, just like they forgot about crowing over Fielder, Soriano and others.

    • sportsdrenched - Mar 25, 2013 at 1:12 PM

      Who is saying this? We hate Boras because he jams up our teams for more money when more money isn’t deserved, or achievable by that franchise.

      His business model for what he does is, and the value to his clients is brilliant

      • Kevin S. - Mar 25, 2013 at 1:18 PM

        Really? Go back and read any of the recent Lohse threads. There was plenty of anti-Boras schadenfreude (sp?) over his continued unemployment.

      • paperlions - Mar 25, 2013 at 1:34 PM

        Boras works for his clients, not the other way around. Boras’ clients get to make all of the decisions. There is a reason that he has such a long client list, because if a guys wants top dollar, he can help….but not all of his clients are huge hold outs.

      • flcounselor - Mar 27, 2013 at 2:26 AM

        Are you blind?

        It sure seems there are more posts from people saying how much they hate Bors than about any other topic on this board.

    • forsch31 - Mar 25, 2013 at 1:33 PM

      Of course, back when he turned down the Cardinals’ qualifying offer of $13.3 million, Lohse wanted 4 or 5 years, not 3. As recently as last week, Lohse and Boras were still demanding $45 million over 3 years. Most teams reportedly said they didn’t believe that Lohse was worth more than $10-$12 million per year on a 4-year contract, and that’s pretty much what he got, a year less. And he had to miss nearly all of Spring Training to get it.

      Don’t think Broas can qualifying this as Fielder-esque win.

      • bougin89 - Mar 25, 2013 at 2:44 PM

        Big difference between Fielder and Kyle Lohse. Fielder is a premier talent, Lohse is not. Just because Boras was demanding wayyy too much money for Lohse doesn’t mean he expected/could actually get that. I think most people would say the Brewers overpaid rather than got Kyle Lohse on the cheap. In that regard it’s hard to say this wasn’t a win for Boras.

        Honestly, 4 years and 60 million for Kyle Lohse(assuming that was their original asking price)…no effing way he was going to see that kind of money.

      • flcounselor - Mar 27, 2013 at 2:28 AM

        That is you best shot?

        With all the naysayers and Boras haters mocking him for turning down the qualifying offer, Boras “only” got $20 million more for his client?

        That’s all you’ve got?

  11. uwsptke - Mar 25, 2013 at 1:04 PM

    “UPDATE: No official word on the contract yet but Tom Haurdricourt is hearing three years, $30 million. Which isn’t terrible for a guy like Lohse, methinks. Although giving up the draft pick to a division rival makes this a lot harder to take.”

    Craig, correct me if I’m wrong, but under the new CBA I thought the team that loses the free agent no longer directly receives the signing team’s draft pick but instead gets a sandwich pick after the 1st round. So St. Louis wouldn’t get #17, but rather something like #33.

    • spudchukar - Mar 25, 2013 at 1:08 PM

      Craig only said the Brewers were going to lose the #17 pick, but you are correct the compensatory pick comes later.

      • spudchukar - Mar 25, 2013 at 1:14 PM

        28th is the reported draft position for St. Louis. Can another Wacha be around by then?

  12. chacochicken - Mar 25, 2013 at 1:04 PM

    So that scorpion venom was some kind of neuro-toxin, huh?

    • nightman13 - Mar 25, 2013 at 1:57 PM

      Nah, unless he also got stung before the Wolf and Suppan signings

  13. mvp43 - Mar 25, 2013 at 1:27 PM

    Yes, its a risk but sometimes you have to take a chance on these guys. The money is reasonable for a guy coming off a decent year. The draft pick doesn’t bother me because at 17 they’d be looking at a pitcher who would’ve seen the field for who knows how long.

  14. gibbyfan - Mar 25, 2013 at 1:31 PM

    As a cards fan I like this a lot—-didnt want to see him go to Texas —My hope is the Cards can make a deadline deal for their stud shortstop—-Maybe Waino and a prospect—Just something I’m thinking could happen —-

    • paperlions - Mar 25, 2013 at 1:37 PM

      You might want to come up with another scenario. Wainwright has nearly zero trade value right now, and will have less at the trade deadline. Teams won’t be giving up anything useful for a 2 month rental and the right to bid against a dozen other teams to pay top dollar.

      • gibbyfan - Mar 25, 2013 at 2:00 PM

        not sure about that Paper —-Texas has big dollars and a good starting SS—If they are in the hunt and Waino is having a good year I think it ‘s a possibility —-Cards have given up some decent players for deadline deals —not saying they wouldnt have to sweetent the pot bu JP could be a quality SS for long time to come—-

      • paperlions - Mar 25, 2013 at 2:20 PM

        I am not saying he wouldn’t be tradeable….just that his value will not even register on the scale of value required to trade for Andrus or Profar. Any trade will only be for the remainder of 2013…after that, the team will have to pay Wainwright full value (meaning more than any of the other 29 teams) to keep him.

      • paperlions - Mar 25, 2013 at 2:26 PM

        To put it another way, if the Cardinals offered Wainwright and Miller for Profar today, the Rangers would turn them down flat. They might not even make that deal for Andrus.

      • gibbyfan - Mar 25, 2013 at 3:37 PM

        have to agree with the Texas fan who said they would do even up JP for Miller in a heartbeat –

      • paperlions - Mar 25, 2013 at 3:49 PM

        You can agree with Texas fans that say that……and I would love that deal….but there is no way any sane baseball person would trade Profar for Miller….hell, there is no pitching prospect that by himself could get you Profar. You are horribly undervaluing Profar….SS with plus glove, hitting, and power are super rare and super valuable….and also far less prone to career death by injury.

      • historiophiliac - Mar 26, 2013 at 12:43 AM

        So, even swap for Jhonny Peralta?

    • okwhitefalcon - Mar 25, 2013 at 5:09 PM

      gibbyfan – No jackassary on my part intended here, but what the hell your obsession with dealing Waino?

      He’ll either sign or play out the string and test the FA waters – it’s that simple.

      • paperlions - Mar 25, 2013 at 5:39 PM

        Exactly. I don’t think there is anything that could convince the Cardinals to trade him….there would be too much loss of goodwill among the fans and in the locker room.

      • gibbyfan - Mar 25, 2013 at 8:33 PM

        Your probably right Falcon –I am a little occupied with the Waino situation because I am so pleased with the way the cards have done things and would like to see them continue—I know if Waino is going to want more than he is worth (cant blame him) and hope the Cards dont sign him if that is the case—yet, I dont want to see them wind up with nothing ala AP—But, unfortunatly that could happen……

  15. officialgame - Mar 25, 2013 at 1:33 PM

    You have to Boras credit for one thing, like PT Barnum he knows their is a sucker born every minute.

  16. Francisco (FC) - Mar 25, 2013 at 1:41 PM

    Many worried about how that would translate in the American League or in a tougher division. Now he doesn’t have to worry about either of those.

    It can be argued that the subtraction of the Astros has made the Division tougher but that’s me being facetious.

  17. onbucky96 - Mar 25, 2013 at 3:31 PM

    Ugh. A Boras guy? He’ll be released in 2yrs. Like Suppan and Wolf before him.

  18. thebadguyswon - Mar 25, 2013 at 3:41 PM

    Wow….have fun with that Melvin. Might want to brush up that resume. Forfeit a pick for that guy and pay him that much?! Holy crap. What an idiot.

  19. leshon42 - Mar 25, 2013 at 4:54 PM

    Better hope can play LF and Hit HR when Braunie gets suspended..

  20. sfm073 - Mar 25, 2013 at 5:07 PM

    Thank you brewers from a cardinal fan. You’ll get a over the hill pitcher that will never perform like he did in St. Louis and we’ll draft a future allstar.

  21. sfm073 - Mar 25, 2013 at 5:44 PM

    Scatterbrain your logic is pretty goofy. The cardinals just a few years ago drafted a top 5 prospect with the 19th pick. You act is if there are only a certain amount is players that can be drafted at 17 and most of them aren’t any good.

  22. tonyc920 - Mar 25, 2013 at 6:27 PM

    Good Gods, this is like road rage on a webpage ? The story is about the Brewers. St Louis fans, go find something better to flap your lips about. I can’t wait to line up against the Cards w/Lohse on the mound. Then you’ll shut up. The Cards will be MLB’s biggest disappointment for 2013.

  23. jkaflagg - Mar 25, 2013 at 11:43 PM

    Thank heavens ! The integrity of the game is saved, just $12 million less than hoped for by Boras & company….

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