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Roy Halladay’s depressing spring training ends on a mediocre note

Mar 28, 2013, 4:17 PM EDT

Phillies pitcher Halladay takes a breather during a workout before a MLB spring training baseball game with the Yankees in Clearwater

One can only hope that Roy Halladay has a different gear for the regular season than he’s had this spring, because it hasn’t been all that encouraging. Jim Salisbury of has the wrapup from his final outing:

The righthander pitched 4 1/3 innings and allowed eight hits and two runs before leaving the game at his prescribed limit of 96 pitches.

Halladay has struggled much of the spring with ineffectiveness and diminished velocity. On the plus side, his velocity was better Thursday. His fastball sat between 88 and 90 mph, according to one scout, and he touched 91 mph. The pitcher’s command, however, was an issue. He was consistently up in the strike zone and at one point threw 10 balls in an 11-pitch stretch.

He walked two and struck out six. For the spring, Doc posted a 6.06 ERA in 16 and a third innings while allowing 21 hits while walking nine and striking out 16.

Silver lining: many have said that Halladay spent much of the spring trying to build up arm strength, so maybe being fine was not his primary goal.  The scary part: a lot of people say that about spring training.

  1. Last Road Reviews - Mar 28, 2013 at 4:45 PM

    I’m not a Philly fan. Mets. But Doc is a great pitcher and will be fine. Even with a lower velocity he’ll have to make adjustments but should figure it out.

    With some injuries last year he’s working his way back. If these games counted there should be concern. But a lot of proven players have rough springs and play great in the season. And how many guys dominate in the spring and come the season struggle.

    I’d only be concerned if he was trying to make the team and was pitching poorly

  2. evanwins - Mar 28, 2013 at 5:01 PM

    Bias Alert: I’m a Phillies fan.

    It’s funny how prior to this outing everyone put all this inportance on his FB velocity and the fact he wasn’t getting swings-and-misses yet in this outing he had a ton of swings and misses and his FB velocity was markedly improved. It’s like critic whack-a-mole, if you cna’t complain about one thing, find something else.

    He didn’t throw a single change up all game. Important for what it indicates.

    The 2nd run should have never happened as that baserunner was WAY out when he went to second on his single. It wasn’t even close.

    On the bad side, 2 runners were thrown out stealing which saved Halladay some pitches and kept him out of more trouble.

    In all I don’t expect him to get worse. If you look at him as a #3 behind Hamels and Lee, he’s still going to be one of the best 3’s in the game.

  3. darthicarus - Mar 28, 2013 at 5:02 PM

    I don’t think this is a case of a pitcher learning to pitch with less velocity. The writing is there on the wall, he was once a dominant pitcher but his recent injuries have made him just an average/mediocre pitcher. I was a fan of the guy and hoped he would have a good spring to give himself confidence heading into the season but based on his outings this year I just don’t see him being “Roy Halladay” anymore…at least not the Halladay from a few years back.

    As I’ve said here before, his dramatic fall from excellence is shocking but unfortunately it happens.

  4. ronmexicoswartcream - Mar 28, 2013 at 5:07 PM

    Craig, you should just post a link to Salisbury’s page or just let you walk and hire him. Halladay will be fine btw. He’s obviously just taking it easy, it’s spring training.

    • nolanwiffle - Mar 29, 2013 at 11:03 AM


  5. stercuilus65 - Mar 28, 2013 at 5:51 PM

    Thumbs down all you want but he is washed up. It’s not like 2012 was “spring training”.

  6. ramrene - Mar 28, 2013 at 6:14 PM

    “Halladay was throwing between 88-90 mph”, that’s the range Greg Maddux worked in regularly throughout his career and he was the winningest pitcher since the Korean War. This really puts things in perspective.

    Maddux was one bad @ss pitcher.

    Good luck to Doc.

  7. chc4 - Mar 28, 2013 at 6:26 PM

    Did anyone see Halladay get shelled late last year after his DL stint? Sorry but he’s shot. And no wonder… he has a ton of IPs on that arm. It happens. Philly fans acting like it’s no big deal are humorous. He is a lot like the rest of that team (Howard, Utley, Rollins, Young)… on the wrong side of 30, broken down and way overpaid.

    • ryanrockzzz - Mar 29, 2013 at 7:37 AM

      I dont think most Philly fans are acting that way at all. I mean, if you live around here you’d see that most are probably way overconcerned about this. He has to be able to make at least 20-25 starts for this team to win, and he has to win 12-13 of those starts.

      And Howard is having a fine spring. Same with Young Rollins and *Gasp* Utley. God forbid a player over 30 gets hurt, then everyone thinks they are done. You realize Howard has never been seriously hurt before last year, and has put up insane power numbers each year?

      Now overpaid, I’ll give ya that one. But that’s what happens when you have a nucleus that stays together over time. As a Phillies fan, I can live with that.

      • paperlions - Mar 29, 2013 at 7:59 AM

        Howard hasn’t put up “insane” power numbers since 2009.

  8. Stiller43 - Mar 28, 2013 at 8:08 PM


    I dont claim to know a lot about baseball, but i would think someone that tops out at a relatively low range and has success means they have great control. If you can blow people away like aroldis chapman, you dont need great control. I would think if chapman loses his velocity to a more normal range, he’d get shelled because he hasnt had to control pitches very well before.

    Maybe its similar with doc?

  9. rje49 - Mar 28, 2013 at 8:21 PM

    96 pitches in 4 & 1/3 innings? What’s so good about that? Dice-K does that in a flat 4.0 all the time!

  10. schmedley69 - Mar 28, 2013 at 8:26 PM

    Here’s hoping that Roy makes a lot of the people writing him off look like fools.

  11. bigdinla - Mar 28, 2013 at 9:40 PM


    You can not compare Doc and Maddox. They are two,completely different pitchers. Halliday uses a plus fastball and a plus slider to make hitters miss. Maddox used a lot of different speeds and pin point accuracy. Apples and Oranges.

    • mercyflush - Mar 29, 2013 at 7:16 AM

      Halladay doesn’t throw a slider.

  12. jcmeyer10 - Mar 28, 2013 at 10:30 PM

    Just depends on how gritty he is. I mean, he’s got the beard but he’s not a utility infielder, which dramatically reduces his grit.

    I mean, his GAR (or ARG, is that still only for the Bucs?) has to be around 2.7 and that ain’t going to cut it this year.

  13. illegalblues - Mar 28, 2013 at 11:24 PM

    There’s really no doubt in my mind that Halladay will have a decent year. Even at 88-90, which is where I think he’ll sit this year, he has the command and movement to get hitters out. That’s not even taking in account that his split/change has become a really great pitch over the last few years. Once the regular season is underway, he’ll be fine.

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