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Evan Longoria called out in ninth for overtaking Ben Zobrist on double

Apr 4, 2013, 6:21 PM EST

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A potential ninth-inning rally for the Rays was sabotaged in Thursday’s game against the Orioles when Evan Longoria was ruled to have passed Ben Zobrist on the basepaths on what otherwise would have been a double.

Down 6-2, the Rays had runners on first and second with none out and Longoria up. Longoria hit a long fly to left-center that barely escaped Adam Jones and Nate McLouth and rolled all of the way back into center field. Zobrist, who was on first, was unsure if it would be caught and headed back to first base to tag up. After the ball got away, Zobrist and Longoria were practically side-by-side running towards second, though Zobrist did get there first.

It appeared the end result of the play was an RBI double, with Longoria on second, Zobrist on third and Sean Rodriguez having scored. However, the umpires then called Longoria out for having overtaken Zobrist.

Whether Longoria in fact did that was never quite clear. From the Rays’ camera behind the action, it didn’t look like Longoria ever truly overtook him, but the angle wasn’t very good. It was also unclear how any of the umpires made the call when all seemed focused on the ball in the outfield. Regardless, it wasn’t the best of ideas for Longoria to try to keep pace with him.

After the play, Orioles closer Jim Johnson retired two of the next three batters to end the game at 6-3.

  1. Loose Changeup - Apr 4, 2013 at 6:24 PM

    COOTBLAN

  2. vallewho - Apr 4, 2013 at 6:26 PM

    Looked like an old Devil Rays play…

  3. fukpittsburgh - Apr 4, 2013 at 6:28 PM

    They were still down by 3 runs with Jim Johnson on the mound. Let’s get real here.

    • djpostl - Apr 5, 2013 at 12:49 AM

      With one less out, two runners in scoring position, a pretty mediocre spring and no double play in order. Me thinks you’re the one who should be gettin real.

      • fukpittsburgh - Apr 5, 2013 at 6:37 AM

        They were still down by 3 runs with Jim Johnson on the mound. Let’s get real here.

    • calexan5 - Apr 6, 2013 at 3:23 PM

      Don’t act like you wouldn’t be saying the same thing if you were batting and Rodney, who if I recall had a better year than Johnson did, was on the mound

  4. chacochicken - Apr 4, 2013 at 6:34 PM

    As I noted in the Shields post earlier, I think Longoria is probably a dumbass.

  5. aaron229 - Apr 4, 2013 at 6:35 PM

    The Orioles broadcast had better replays, the first base umpire called Longoria out about half way to second base.

    • cktai - Apr 5, 2013 at 5:23 AM

      The MASN guys said that the first base umpire was watching the runners and called the out immediately, and that the second base umpire was tracking the ball.

      I compared the two commentaries and have to say that I put my faith in the MASN guys as they noticed that Longoria was out immediately at 3:04:50 “The ball bounces of the wall. Oh Longoria passed the runner. Longoria went by the runner in front of him and I think has been called out” That was even before McLouth threw the ball back to the infield. One of them was obviously watching the play and saw where the umpire was looking.

      the TB guys on the other hand didn’t seem to know why Maddon was arguing with the umpire until they saw Longoria walk back to the dugout somewhere at 3:06:00. I am not sure how they can claim anything about where the umpire was looking when they weren’t looking at the play themselves.

      • cktai - Apr 5, 2013 at 5:27 AM

        Which is not to say that it was the correct call btw. The first base umpire could have still made an error while he was watching the play. He didn’t have a great angle to begin with.

      • calexan5 - Apr 6, 2013 at 3:25 PM

        Yeah, go check out the rankings for most biased commentators in baseball, your MASN guys are at the top, check out where the Rays are

      • cktai - Apr 7, 2013 at 12:48 PM

        That may be so, but what I was pointing out was that they actually saw the play, so they were in a better position to judge the position and the point of sight of the first base umpire than people who only watched the replay.

  6. nineroutsider - Apr 4, 2013 at 6:46 PM

    I look forward to seeing the highlight; I’ve never seen that called before. Why even try to run side-by-side and tempt the umpires? What a dumbshit!

    • hittfamily - Apr 4, 2013 at 9:08 PM

      They weren’t side by side. Zobrist was exactly betweer first and second. Longoria took a wide turn around first and was going to take a long turn around second. He was more than halfway to second when he saw Zobrist, and never passed him. The umps jobbed him. They were all watching a deep fly ball off the fence. The ump who made the call had his back turned to the runner.

      If anyone is to blame, it is Zobrist. There is no need to tag up in a 6 to 2 game. He needs to try to score on that play, not try to advance one base. Longoria had no Idea Zobrist would be jogging back to first, as he should not have been.

      • evanwins - Apr 5, 2013 at 12:01 AM

        “The umps jobbed him”
        Lot of that going around early in the season. Michael Young will tell ya.

      • cktai - Apr 5, 2013 at 5:24 AM

        As I replied above, everything seems to indicate that the first base umpire was watching the runners and the second base umpire was watching the ball.

      • psl1196 - Apr 5, 2013 at 1:54 PM

        Zobrist is not to blame. Basic baseball here…they were down 4 runs. His run didn’t matter, the guy standing on deck has to score too if you are going to tie it up. He should take no chances. Based on that Longoria should have some idea that Zobrist wouldn’t be rounding 2nd, shouldn’t he? Either way, the statement “He needs to try to score on that play” isn’t very well thought out. He really needs to not get thrown out.

      • mjparlin - Apr 5, 2013 at 2:39 PM

        They both were to blame. If we’re talking basic baseball then it should be known that Zobrist should have been about halfway down the basepath due to how deep the ball was hit and the fact that it would be easy for him to get back to 1st if the ball was caught. On the other hand it is Longoria’s responsibility to know where the runner in front of him is.

      • hittfamily - Apr 5, 2013 at 4:16 PM

        ““He needs to try to score on that play” isn’t very well thought out. He really needs to not get thrown out”

        Then why the fuck was Zobrist trying to tag up. He should have been standing on second waiting to see if the ball is caught or not. Instead, he was sprinting back to first and was 15 feet off of first base when the ball hit the wall. He was trying to tag up, which he should not have been doing in a 6-2 game. His run didn’t matter as you stated. There is no difference between Zobrist being on second or 1st. But Longoria’s run did matter. Longoria should have had a triple, and the tying run is now in the batters box.

        Don’t say “basic baseball here” and “not well thought out”. You are wrong. Under no circustance should a player attempt to tag and go to second in the 9th inning of a 6-2 game. If the player is camped under it, he is unnecessarily risking an out. If he isn’t camped under it, he is holding up the batter from potentially advancing. Go back to coaching tee ball bro, and leave baseball strategy to the adults.

  7. dowhatifeellike - Apr 4, 2013 at 6:47 PM

    Rays definitely got jobbed there. I hate to see my team win like that.

  8. elwaysmilehighdenver - Apr 4, 2013 at 6:51 PM

    I thought this kind of thing only happened in my grandsons tee ball games!

  9. ireportyoudecide - Apr 4, 2013 at 6:52 PM

    Looked like a bad call, it was close. Problem is the ump who called it wasn’t even watching them when they showed the replay. He guessed.

    Human Error! Sure is fun.

    • cktai - Apr 5, 2013 at 5:26 AM

      He called Longoria out immediately which seems to indicate that he was watching the runners rather than the ball. That makes sense as umpire crews have rules about who watches what during plays. The first base umpire watches the runners as the second base umpire goes out and watch the ball.

  10. ireportyoudecide - Apr 4, 2013 at 6:53 PM

    Also what did Longoria say that was so aweful he’s suddenly become A-Rod on here? I read the comment and I think people are drawing conclusions that weren’t there in the quote.

    • paperlions - Apr 4, 2013 at 8:52 PM

      Not really. He pretty much said that the attitude of Shields and Upton were problems and that it was good that they were gone. That is pretty much the definition for both being wrong and being an ass.

      • hittfamily - Apr 4, 2013 at 9:11 PM

        No. He never said it was good that they were gone. His point was that it is good to have all traces of the “Devil Rays” gone. He likely thinks the same about Wade Boggs, Fred McGriff, and Jose Canseco.

      • paperlions - Apr 4, 2013 at 9:40 PM

        Bull. Shit.

        Quote:

        There was a lot of history with B.J. and Shields in this organization, and I think there were some things that were tough for them to get beyond,” Longoria said. “They were really the only ones that were left in here that were here before the Rays were in 2008 when we started to be the team that we are now. I think some of those things kind of stuck around, and as much as you try to instill the new way, some of those things, it was tough to get some of those thoughts out of their head.

        “And so, I think, obviously they were great players, but as far as an overarching belief in what we try to do here, I think with the new people that we have now, it’s a completely new belief in what we’re trying to do here. I don’t know if that came out the right way. I’m not trying to be negative in any way, obviously, but I think with the personalities that we brought in, we really from Day One in spring training, were all on this same page, and same belief that now Tampa Bay is a destination where as before it wasn’t really.”

        He clearly states that there were lingering problems with their belief in what the Rays were trying to do, which can really mean nothing other than they had attitude problems….and it is complete bullshit.

      • hittfamily - Apr 4, 2013 at 10:22 PM

        Relax Bro. Also, copying and pasting something that doesn’t mention anything you said is kind of foolish.” He pretty much said that the attitude of Shields and Upton were problems and that it was good that they were gone.”

        He also said it was nothing personal, and no where does he mention attitude, or glad they are gone. I’d imagine there was more to it than was published, like a prelude to the statement or a justification to the statement. I read it as they still had lingering affects of “the d-rays way” (whatever that is). BJ I get. As to why he brought Shields into it, I don’t know, but I’d speculate it was a way to justify their positive outlook on the season. Most players say “they were a big part of the team, and will be hard to replace”. Longoria chose to talk about how free agents actually want to come play for the Rays, and how they can finally move on from the Devil Rays days. Eloquent: no. Malicious: I don’t think so.

  11. 13arod - Apr 4, 2013 at 8:55 PM

    he anybody watched that game longo didn’t pass him

  12. coryfor3 - Apr 4, 2013 at 9:04 PM

    Upton and Shields must’ve been in charge of base running for the game. This isn’t the new Rays way.

  13. Jeremiah Graves - Apr 4, 2013 at 9:39 PM

    Sure doesn’t sound like the “Rays Way” to me…

  14. dowhatifeellike - Apr 4, 2013 at 11:26 PM

    What is this “Ray’s Way” people are mentioning? They didn’t seem to be playing any differently than they did last year. Are they bunting less?

  15. sophiethegreatdane - Apr 5, 2013 at 12:45 AM

    O’s fan here. Rays got jobbed on the call. It still would have taken another four runs to win the game (minimum) so I doubt it cost the Rays a W. Still though, from what I saw it was a bad call. It goes around.

  16. raysfan1 - Apr 5, 2013 at 10:24 AM

    In other news, Evan Longoria has discovered that one poorly worded statement can cause a person to be portrayed as a pariah and that teapots can brew tempests. As a result, he has enrolled in the “Derek Jeter How to Never Offend Anyone Ever” course. Lesson 1 was “Anything that can be construed controversially will be.” Lesson 2 was how to craft pablum statements that mean nothing but satisfy media members. He is being forced to memorize the following: “Of course it’s always tough to replace someone like (player name). However, it’s a business, people come and go. I really like our team’s chances this year as long as we all give 110% and take it one game at a time.”

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