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Phillies draw fewer than 40,000 for first time since 2009

Apr 7, 2013, 9:40 AM EDT Phillies beat writer Todd Zolecki provides the numbers:

39,475 is still a fine total and one that most organizations would be ecstatic about, but this was on a Saturday night and it was only the Phillies’ second home game. So it’s easy to imagine the situation worsening.

The Phillies will carry a 2-3 record into Sunday afternoon’s series finale against the Royals.

  1. no14mike - Apr 7, 2013 at 9:47 AM

    Those buses from DC to Philly could become a reality.

  2. joejaws75 - Apr 7, 2013 at 10:03 AM

    Anyone from D C comes to Philly I would suggest body armour. We are not as hospitipal to out of Towners

    • sire2334 - Apr 7, 2013 at 11:27 AM

      Been there done that….no issues. It’s funny how I’ve heard you guys complain on Mikey Miz’s show about how you guys just get a bad rap yet you decide to play internet tough guy.

      I live in Philly and rep all DC teams every time I go to a game and I can tell you that aside from good natured trash talk I’ve had no issues.

      As a matter of fact I would consider Fedex Field worse. Not just for out of towners but just in general. There seems to be always something going on.

    • alexo0 - Apr 7, 2013 at 11:31 AM

      With out-of-towners being identified through their ability to spell and use correct grammar.

      • sire2334 - Apr 7, 2013 at 11:48 AM

        LMAO! Getting a lesson on grammer by a Phan!? I’m sorry sir but when I comment on boards I dont do so to show off my education…From internet tough guys to internet professors….What can you Phans NOT do?!

      • historiophiliac - Apr 7, 2013 at 11:55 AM

        LMAO! Perhaps, sire, you should attempt to show off some reading comprehension.

  3. 13arod - Apr 7, 2013 at 10:08 AM

    maybe it was because the royals aren’t a good team nobody wants to see the phills face the royals

  4. greymares - Apr 7, 2013 at 10:17 AM

    that’s still 35,000 more than showed up in Atlanta and New York.with all their so called great fans.

    • paperlions - Apr 7, 2013 at 10:34 AM

      So defensive. NY was on the road, it was 1,000 more than showed up in Atlanta, and NO ONE says the Braves have great fans.

      • Old Gator - Apr 7, 2013 at 10:53 AM

        Anyone want to take overs and unders for the Feesh home opener tomorrow? Is it possible to have negative attendance if you’ve actually sold three or four corporate boxes? Will Scrooge McLoria and the Chihuahua empty the retirement homes on South Beach to fill some seats?

        Oh…sorry. The retirement homes were yuppified out of existence a generation ago, weren’t they?

      • paperlions - Apr 7, 2013 at 11:33 AM

        Thanks. Always looking for new health food recipe’s.

        I have tried a number of rats (rodents), some are okay: capybara is fantastic, nutria is okay (we made milanesitas with it), squirrel is obviously wonderful, agouti are also fantastically tasty…beaver is not particularly good….oh, and Dolichotis is fantastic….I guess I wouldn’t be opposed to “rodent breath”, but rat breath would be insulting (they, Rattus, smell so bad on the inside and outside, I could never bring myself to try one).

      • historiophiliac - Apr 7, 2013 at 11:17 AM

        The attendance for the Yankees game was 42,453, but mostly Detroit fans. Oh, you meant the Mets? Well, you know…Miami.

        OG, I think that getting a return from Loria on negative attendance would be a futile effort. Enjoy your Baseball of the Absurd down there.

      • paperlions - Apr 7, 2013 at 11:27 AM

        NY has two teams?

      • historiophiliac - Apr 7, 2013 at 11:43 AM

        I think we have paper on the record as not being fond of beaver, and thank god I don’t eat much breakfast after that rodent vittles breakdown.

      • spudchukar - Apr 7, 2013 at 11:53 AM

        PL, gotta go with Cuy!

      • paperlions - Apr 7, 2013 at 12:08 PM

        Never tried one, never worked in a place where you could trap/shoot one.

      • Old Gator - Apr 7, 2013 at 12:29 PM

        I’ve had capybara too – got some Venezuelan friends who swear by it, especially as an Easter meal – and much enjoyed it. I also love squirrel – the game pie at Christiana Campbell’s Tavern at Colonial Williamsburgh was fantastic. Must add rabbit as a marginal rodent.

        But I’m afraid that beaver always was and always will be my favorite, from my senior year of high school onwards.

    • Chip Caray's Eyebrows - Apr 8, 2013 at 12:15 AM

      Braves had 45,000 at today’s game, dipshit. I’m not going to sit here and claim they’ll draw like that all year and especially not on weeknights, but you still might want to consider developing some fresher material.

  5. hojo20 - Apr 7, 2013 at 10:17 AM

    I guess the 1980 World Series rematch didn’t appeal to the fans.

    • Old Gator - Apr 7, 2013 at 10:55 AM

      Is anyone except me who saw that series still alive? When I peruse the Yahoo blogs, I get the impression that the Rage Virus has wiped them all out.

  6. creek0512 - Apr 7, 2013 at 10:35 AM

    What? I thought interleague play was supposed to drive up attendance?

    • Old Gator - Apr 7, 2013 at 11:02 AM

      I like to think that it was just a demonstration of contempt by Feelies fans, who appreciate real baseball, for designatedhitterball. Yeah, yeah, I know a lot of you guys don’t like to mix politics with sports but there are just times when you got to take a position, you know?

      • jwbiii - Apr 7, 2013 at 11:46 AM

        Irrelevant. The Phillies’ fans were treated to John Lannan whiffing and bunting. No doubt they found this thrilling, coming from a career .277 hitter (that’s OPS, not BA).

  7. lancer255 - Apr 7, 2013 at 10:37 AM

    You just really like to tick off Philly fans. “It gets worse from here” really dude. Get a life.

    • aceshigh11 - Apr 7, 2013 at 10:50 AM

      Only a few short years ago, when it seemed the Phillies appeared to be a lock to win the World Series, you Phans had the run of these boards, and bullied and shouted down everyone who didn’t bow down and grovel before their greatness.

      And now where are they all? A bunch of fair-weather “Phans” who slunk away in shame when their team stopped dominating. I think that’s pretty cowardly.

      • Old Gator - Apr 7, 2013 at 10:59 AM

        Aces, 39, 475. I repeat: 39,475. And that’s on a bad day against an awful team. Here in Macondo, that number would be as hypothetical as the fifty millionth integer of π. Feel free to troll the kishkes out of Feelies fans for their attitude, but for their loyalty? Even I can’t bring myself to stretch that far.

      • aceshigh11 - Apr 7, 2013 at 11:18 AM

        I was referring specifically to the Phans on HBT, Gator, not the fans at the ballpark.

        Remember how overbearing they were here just 2-3 years ago? Now most of them are gone.

      • chill1184 - Apr 7, 2013 at 11:14 AM

        Phillies fans are experiencing five years worth karmic build up for their arrogance and outright douchebaggery. They havent experienced trolling to them in so long they cant handle it. However dont worry cheese-steaks the moronic Ministry of Truth and its cohorts of clowns, ner-do-wells and dunces in the rest of the MSM sports media will still continue to ride your jock. They’re not ready to jump onto the Nationals bandwagon yet

        To quote Mitt Romney hair enthusiast and Chief Propagandist for the Ministry of Truth show Baseball Tonight Karl Kravech “Not buying the Phillies are dead”

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Apr 7, 2013 at 3:53 PM

        “A bunch of fair-weather “Phans” who slunk away in shame …..referring specifically to the Phans on HBT”

        Well, first off – I do not at all accept the notion that HBT participation is an indicator of fandom. That said – except for Hallday’s Biceps (who was banned by Craig), who exaclty slunked away? Heck, there are times I wish Phillies fans would NOT respond and say what they say on here.

        This thread has twice as many replies as a thread about an excieitng Braves win. I don’t see that Phillies fans are staying quiet on HBT. Your perspective may differ :)

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Apr 7, 2013 at 5:13 PM

        who exaclty slunked away?

        Not saying slunked(?) away, but J5 and Fiorentino have been absent as of late, and they were some of the original posters here for the Phillies contingent. There’s also a ton in the old “Ryan Howard 250+ comment” threads you don’t see around much, unless they all changed their nicks.

    • Chip Caray's Eyebrows - Apr 8, 2013 at 12:18 AM

      He got you, anyway. Has to be considered at least somewhat successful trolling.

  8. schmedley69 - Apr 7, 2013 at 10:45 AM

    The second home game of the year is typically one of the lowest attended games of the year in most cities, so I wouldn’t read too much into it. That being said, coming off a bad 2012, the way that the Phillies played in the first 4 games probably didn’t do too much to entice the casual fan to walk up and buy tickets on a Saturday night. Blowing a 4-run lead in the home opener and getting torched by a bad team, 13-4, tends to leave a bad taste in your mouth.

    The Phillies attendance will probably be directly proportional to the their win-loss record this season, because with very few exceptions in the history of MLB, winning attracts fans, and losing drives them away. It’s a pretty simple formula.

    • Old Gator - Apr 7, 2013 at 11:00 AM

      Yes, and its results are reproducible, touchstone concept of empirical method. I’ve attempted a similar experiment here in Macondo and can confirm your results.

  9. gallaghedj311 - Apr 7, 2013 at 11:17 AM

    Sadly, I have to say that a good number of my fellow Philadelphia fans are fair weather fans. Especially the ones attending games…..

    Remember Delaware valley, booing can only hurt your team. But it’s absolutely within your right to boo, and hurt the team. It’s just not intelligent.

  10. mungman69 - Apr 7, 2013 at 12:47 PM

    Phillies fans are great fans. ONLY 39,475? On a cool night? Against Kansas City. Interleague play is a joke. Phillies fans don’t know anyone on Kansas City. Boy, what a rivalry this will become. Who comes to town next? Seattle?

  11. xmatt0926x - Apr 7, 2013 at 12:48 PM

    I love when people talk about “fair weather fans” when one of the few fan bases in baseball who sell like crazy have an “off night” with just under 40,000 fans. So please explain this to me. If the Phillies fans are fair weather fans for not selling out then what are the fans of every other franchise who never had a sellout streak to talk about to begin with? So are the fans of every franchise fair weather fans?After all they never sell out their parks to begin with. I don’t get it. How about we just live in reality and realize that sellout streaks were probably inflated to begin with for teams like the Phillies and the Redsox. In the end the same small group of teams that have generally put a decent product on the field consistently will draw around 3 million and have lively ballparks on a nightly basis. I find it amazing that any team can get mostly middle class people to drop $200 bucks or so to take a family to the game multiple nights a season. When a team starts to drop off it’s probably realistic that the fringe fans who really just went for the fun factor and aren’t hardcore fans would drop off.

  12. randygnyc - Apr 7, 2013 at 12:52 PM

    I think I’ve told this story so I’ll make it brief. During the 2009 WS, I took my daughter to the final game. She was 7. Drunk phillie fans (20,s and males) insisted on trying to fight with every Yankee fan they could and liberally used profanity. Even directed at children, including my 7 year old. They were eventually removed. Without explicit details, I’ll just add, it was the ugliest public behavior I’ve EVER seen in 47 years.

    • indaburg - Apr 7, 2013 at 1:35 PM

      I’m sorry your daughter was exposed to that kind of behavior. Not the defend Philly phans–yes, some can be very rude–but I’ve also seen nasty behavior by Yankee fans, Mets fans, Red Sox fans, Rays fans and so on. No fan base has a complete monopoly on jerks. Shoot, back in 2008, a visibly pregnant me was treated rudely by a vendor at Yankee Stadium for daring to ask politely at a beverage stand if they sold water. I know, the nerve of me.

      • historiophiliac - Apr 7, 2013 at 2:34 PM

        I hate to say it, but some of the best heckling I’ve witnessed was Braves fans against the Rays.

      • historiophiliac - Apr 7, 2013 at 2:40 PM

        Wait, maybe it was the Marlins…but I thought it was the Rays…dangit, I’m too young for Oldtimers…

      • indaburg - Apr 7, 2013 at 3:07 PM

        LOL. We’re never too young for Oldtimers. As my granny would tell me, the good thing about my lousy memory is that no one will ever be able to tell when I’ve gone senile.

        I’m betting it was a Braves fan at a Rays fan. Our lack of a strong fan base gives a lot of material for people.

      • historiophiliac - Apr 7, 2013 at 3:12 PM

        Smart granny.

        I pulled my ticket out (yes, I’m nerdy like that and keep my tickets). It *was* the Marlins. The Braves fans were heckling the Marlins’ OF. When one of them made a catch, they yelled that he was too good to play for the Feesh, etc. LOL

        Dang, I could’ve sworn that was an interleague game…

      • indaburg - Apr 7, 2013 at 3:17 PM

        I keep my tickets too. A kindred nerd. It brings back memories. And whoever that outfielder was, the fan was right. He was probably too good for the Feesh.

      • historiophiliac - Apr 7, 2013 at 3:35 PM

        Well, don’t ask me who it was because that’s not on the ticket for reference.

      • indaburg - Apr 7, 2013 at 3:36 PM

        Oh, well. We could probably narrow it down to three candidates.

      • historiophiliac - Apr 7, 2013 at 3:52 PM

        Let’s not work that hard.

      • indaburg - Apr 7, 2013 at 3:54 PM

        I’m watching the Rays lose by 11-0. I welcome the distraction! :-)

      • historiophiliac - Apr 7, 2013 at 4:14 PM

        I’m watching the Tigers lose to the Sith. It’s probably because I’m grading during the game, right?

      • indaburg - Apr 7, 2013 at 4:30 PM

        Must be. You have to give your team your complete attention. I’m convinced they know when we’re not sending mental vibes their way.

      • historiophiliac - Apr 7, 2013 at 4:33 PM

        BTW, Torii has been the bright spot today. Good hitting, excellent baserunning. sigh

      • indaburg - Apr 7, 2013 at 4:41 PM

        Be strong! Don’t look at him smile. It’s like looking into the sun.

    • hisgirlgotburrelled - Apr 7, 2013 at 11:24 PM

      Very sorry that happened.

      But “ugliest… I’ve EVER seen”??… People on here wonder why there are so many comments when the article is anything Philly. Almost every article has comments like this.

    • zemongoose - Apr 9, 2013 at 4:48 PM

      I’m certainly not excusing the behavior, but bringing a 7 year old to a high stakes professional sporting event where alcohol is being served, while wearing the colors and cheering for the away team is simply poor parenting.

      I’d be completely happy to live in a world free of obnoxious drunks. T’aint gonna happen.

  13. andreweac - Apr 7, 2013 at 3:33 PM

    I thought Phans recognized the team, lead by Michael “The Professional Hitter” Young are winners. They have the will to win. What is wrong with them? Do they suddenly hate watching winners?

  14. timpaz - Apr 7, 2013 at 5:38 PM

    Why pay top dollar to watch a bad old overpaid team, time to rebuild the farm system and rebuild , too bad you can dump some of these contracts like Howard and Rollins.

  15. hisgirlgotburrelled - Apr 7, 2013 at 10:37 PM

    Just 39,000 showed up? Baseball is dying!!

  16. zemongoose - Apr 9, 2013 at 5:32 PM

    The thing with the Phillies is that they’re falling off a cliff a year before they’re due to negotiate their new TV deal. The chief problem is that the front office, led by Ruin Tomorrow Jr., smugly refuses any resource that was developed after the mid 1970’s. Thus, you overpay a platoon DH to the tune of 5 years/$125 mil two full years before he’s even eligible for free agency. Thus you sign players over the age of 35 to three year, 7 figure deals. Thus you gut the farm system to acquire a league average OF with no strike zone recognition, because you can’t possibly allow your theoretical top prospect play through his struggles.

    The farm system has generated absolutely zero positional prospects since losing farm director Mike Arbuckle after the 2008 season and replacing him with an incompetent, arrogant boob named Scott Proefrock.

    The worst thing is, because of the Amaro family’s 50 year relationship with the organization, RAJ has complete, total job security regardless of performance.

    So enjoy watching a $175 million dollar, 90-loss team. I’m sure Amaro & Co. are working hard looking for the next great athlete who can’t play baseball to take in the draft.

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