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Carlos Quentin charges mound, Zack Greinke suffers broken collarbone

Apr 12, 2013, 1:50 AM EDT

Zack Greinke, Carlos Quentin

Carlos Quentin charged the mound after being drilled by Zack Greinke, leading to a benches-clearing incident in the sixth inning of Thursday’s Dodgers-Padres game.

Greinke, a right-hander, suffered a broken left collarbone in the fight that ensued and is likely DL bound.

Don Mattingly, steamed after what turned out to be a 3-2 win, said afterwards, “[Quentin] should not play a game until Greinke can pitch. If he plays before Greinke, something is wrong. Nothing happens if that guy goes to first base.”

Despite the fact that there was a full count at the time, Quentin obviously felt Greinke’s pitch was intentional after a Jason Marquis 0-2 pitch was thrown towards Matt Kemp‘s head earlier in the contest. Kemp spent a great deal of time jawing with the Padres with both teams on the field and had to be restrained by Josh Beckett and manager Don Mattingly.

After the parties returned to the dugouts initially, the Dodgers’ Jerry Hairston Jr. sprinted back out towards the Padres dugout, stirring things back up.

Here’s the video:

Following the game, Quentin and Kemp got into an altercation in the players parking lot and had to be separated.

Kemp, Hairston, Greinke and Quentin were all ejected. Quentin will face a five- or six-game suspension if history is any indication.

Greinke is the bigger loss, though. He signed the richest contract of the offseason — a six-year, $147 million pact — to become the Dodgers’ No. 2 starter behind Clayton Kershaw. A broken collarbone is often a 6-8 week injury for most players. That it’s to Greinke’s off arm may aid his timetable a bit, but it’s not something he’ll be able to pitch through right away.

Fortunately, the Dodgers do possess considerable pitching depth, even after trading Aaron Harang earlier this week. They could either activate Ted Lilly from the DL and put him in the rotation or they could promote Chris Capuano from the bullpen.

Previous bad blood between Greinke and Quentin could explain why Quentin charged the mound. Greinke hit Quentin in the back with a pitch on April 8, 2009, and Quentin took steps toward the mound that time before catcher Miguel Olivo restrained him. That happened in the fourth inning of a game between the Royals and White Sox. Three innings earlier, Greinke had a pitch slip that nearly hit Quentin in the head.

“He had a reason for [being upset],” Greinke told MLB.com afterwards. “Any time you throw it that high, it’s justified. You’ve got to be better than that and not pitch like that. You’re going to make mistakes, but the last thing you want to do is hit someone where it could seriously hurt them. As soon as I let go of it, I was scared for him.”

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  1. jerze2387 - Apr 12, 2013 at 11:30 AM

    Only time Quentin has made solid contact all season..

  2. shaggytoodle - Apr 12, 2013 at 11:45 AM

    I have a hard time believing Greinke did this on purpose. Unless he was trying to be show his teammates he hates the rivals too.

    I might be a little sour, but he should have stayed in Milwaukee.

    LA needs him to be wonderful to get a return on their investment. 2 starts or so and time on the DL is not what they had in mind.

  3. Robert Dobalina - Apr 12, 2013 at 12:00 PM

    Well, the big suspensions have to start somewhere and sometime. In the NBA, they started the rule that you couldn’t leave the bench during a fight or you were suspended a game…whether it was playoffs or whatever. What they need to do is set the rule that if you charge the mound, you get 50 games. Period. Not after the fact, but work it out with the union if need be and get it done. They don’t want to have replay because it will make the game longer, yet they put up with managers wasting time arguing calls and this nonsense that wastes 15-20 minutes every time it happens.

    Put it this way…if a player knows he is getting 50 games for charging the mound, you won’t see it happen ever again.

    • bobbychez - Apr 12, 2013 at 2:18 PM

      And what about the pitchers? This gives them freedom to go head hunting when they know they aren’t coming up to bat again in a game. Yeah, down the road they might be able to get them in another game, but what is the suspension for intentionally throwing at someone and how do you determine the intent and possibly the level of intent behind a pitch?

      • Robert Dobalina - Apr 12, 2013 at 3:03 PM

        If you determine that there is a level of intent for throwing at a hitter, then I agree that the punishments should be more than it is now. However, since this is tough to always guage (for instance, common sense dictates that Greinke wasn’t throwing at Quentin on a 3-2 count in a tight game in the 6th inning, but who knows 100%??) then there isn’t much of a recourse.

        However, a hitter who is thinking about charging the mound will never do it if the baseline punishment is 50 games. And really…does charging the mound ever solve anything? Or, as it is going to be the case on Monday with the Padres travel to LA, doesn’t it usually just exacerbate the problem between the teams?

  4. nomorsacbball - Apr 12, 2013 at 12:09 PM

    I like that this post is about the Padres and the codgers and that crybaby koufax is taking shots at the world champions. jealous much? hahaha

  5. nineroutsider - Apr 12, 2013 at 12:32 PM

    Much better them (the Dodgers) than us (the Giants). However, and I might sound a little strange here, I was hoping that the Dodgers would stay healthy this year, especially Kemp and Greinke. I want to see the Giants fend them off with the Dodgers at full power. Stupid reason I know, but injuries offer excuses and I wanted there to be none. Plus, both team at full power offer more competitive, compelling games and winning the division on the last day is exciting (if your team is the one to do it).

    This is really just an unfortunate accident. Greinke can’t lower his shoulder like that, but he didn’t have a ton of time to react. This is one aspect of baseball that gives a lot of you a boner, but I hate to see it. Brawls don’t do much for me except increase the game time. This one was juicy though, but often times they are much less so. When a major cog gets hurt its unfortunate, but I don’t think the book should be thrown a Quentin over this.

  6. sleepyirv - Apr 12, 2013 at 1:18 PM

    You simply do not threaten someone’s livelihood. Greinke didn’t do that to Quentin with the pitch but Quentin certainly did when he charged the mound.

    • nineroutsider - Apr 12, 2013 at 1:40 PM

      Greinke clearly run up and dropped his shoulder like a dumb ass. Chest bump him or take a few steps back and let the Calvary intercept him. Yes, Question is a tool, but charges happen and this isn’t the first time Greinke has been charged, but it looked like it.

  7. richyballgame - Apr 12, 2013 at 3:39 PM

    In the words of the great CJ Nitkowski, ” ‘Guy who go hit with a 90 mph fastball should act like this!’ says guy who never got hit with a 90 mph fastball.”

  8. wahoo21 - Apr 12, 2013 at 6:18 PM

    Major league pitchers are in the majors because they HIT what they AIM at………pretty simple

    Miss with a breaking ball….it happens……. but to miss with straight heat up and in…….Grienke knew where he was throwing that pitch and so does anybody else and contrary to what the dodgers are saying….it was a perfect time to hit him to make it look like an accident.

    Wake up

  9. jaydoubleyou22 - Apr 12, 2013 at 7:19 PM

    Some pretty ridiculous comments on here re Greinke. If you look at the video and pause it the split second before the ball makes contact, you will see that Quentin didn’t even make an effort to get out of the way. Big leaguers can avoid 89 mph pitches that are not aimed directly at their bodies. Look it up.

    Greinke’s pitch wasn’t even the most dangerous of the night. Marquis came much closer to Kemp’s head. The difference is that Kemp moved out of the way. Maybe Greinke should have thrown it higher so Quentin would actually have to move rather than do the MLB equivalent of a flop.

    By the way, Quentin has the highest percentage of HBP per plate appearance of anyone since the 1800s. TWICE as high as the next highest. That includes Baylor, Biggio, etc. if you are going to use HBP to up your OBP, you should live with the consequences… Or just get out of the freakin’ way.

    Quentin was looking for a reason to go after Greinke. He is trying to make excuses now. Greinke didn’t say anything until after Quentin took a few steps out and got all Jersey Shore. If you think that Greinke wasn’t warranted to say something back, you are fertilizer. If you think that Quentin was warranted in charging the mound, you are trash.

    He should have to pay Greinke’s salary while he’s out.

    • icanspeel - Apr 12, 2013 at 8:54 PM

      Add your comment to the list of ridiculous comments on here lol.

  10. jaydoubleyou22 - Apr 13, 2013 at 11:57 AM

    Add 2 + 2, you ignorant douche. By the way, that’s rhetorical. I assume you can get the answer with calculator… Although I wouldn’t be surprised if you couldn’t.

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