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Ryan Vogelsong got angry at Carlos Quentin after a hit by pitch last season

Apr 12, 2013, 1:18 PM EDT

Ryan Vogelsong Reuters

No one gets hit by more pitches than Carlos Quentin, so not surprisingly he’s had some beefs with pitchers besides Zack Greinke.

Andrew Baggarly of passed along this article he wrote from August 20 of last season, when Ryan Vogelsong of the Giants plunked Quentin:

Brandon Belt had an angry, red bruise just above his right hip. Ryan Vogelsong was even angrier. The Giants’ intense right-hander was incensed that Belt was hit in what the Giants viewed as a clear retaliatory act in the fourth inning of a 7-1 loss to the San Diego Padres on Sunday.

Vogelsong had hit Carlos Quentin two innings earlier. And after the game, Vogelsong sent a verbal shot whizzing in Quentin’s direction. “The guy hammers balls over the plate and then gets pissed when you throw them inside,” Vogelsong said. “Doesn’t make sense. … Every time you hit a guy in this game, they think you did it on purpose. It’s tired.”

Whatever you think of what happened last night, it does seem odd that a hitter who gets plunked an average of 25 times per 150 games wouldn’t be a little more used to it by now.

  1. bigleagues - Apr 12, 2013 at 1:33 PM

    I will say this about Don Baylor, when he got plunked, he would drop his bat and trot down to 1B like it was a routine Base on Balls.

    With Baylor it sometimes seemed as if the ball was hurt worse than Baylor himself.

    • heyblueyoustink - Apr 12, 2013 at 1:37 PM

      Same thing I remember about Dave Hollins. You have to understand that since the days of the New York Mutuals, hovering over the plate might get you hit.

  2. El Bravo - Apr 12, 2013 at 1:35 PM

    Quentin is a douchenozzle.

    • heyblueyoustink - Apr 12, 2013 at 1:40 PM

      Perhaps even a douchestranaut?

      • bgrillz - Apr 12, 2013 at 2:51 PM

        Or a douchecanoe…

      • hittfamily - Apr 12, 2013 at 5:50 PM

        He loves hummus and boba gadouche.

    • historiophiliac - Apr 12, 2013 at 3:22 PM

      Does this mean a list update is forthcoming?

      • El Bravo - Apr 12, 2013 at 3:25 PM

        meh, you want one? i stopped doing so and just report that x player is a douchenozzle this year. i was just going to do a full update quarterly or so….but of course, ill be glad to appease you historio

      • historiophiliac - Apr 12, 2013 at 3:27 PM

        Appease me? Wow, I feel so…powerful. :)

        I don’t want to make you work at it. I do think we all enjoy it though. Quarterly is completely fine.

      • El Bravo - Apr 12, 2013 at 3:41 PM

        work? alls i gots to do is a ctrl c and ctrl v. like this!

        1. Murray Chass – Chass, a mere blogger, will give up his undeserved HOF vote, but only after attempting to vote in Jack Morris. Whether or not Morris deserves it is beside the point. He’s sticking it to all other HOF eligible players as a consequence. Total Chasshole move, bro.
        2. BBWAA – The Baseball Writers Association of America is a conglomerate of douchenozzles, many of which no longer write about baseball, but yet still have more say on the subject than the biggest baseball fans out there. A total clusterdouche. As opposed to entering each voter as a DN individually, which would be unfair to the non-DNs within the group, the entire organization will be granted passage into douchenozzledom as a whole.
        3. Todd Helton – For getting a DUI while going out briefly to buy lottery tickets. Lottery tickets? Yes, lottery tickets.
        4. Mark Grace – DUI work release is too lenient
        5. Jeff Loria – Letter to Miami blaming everyone but himself…and sticking to his story.
        6. Drake Britton – Red Sox minor leaguer that got a DUI while driving 111 mph in a 45 and then showing the officer his debit card instead of his license.
        7. Nick Swisher – recording some video in Spring Training where he looks douchey. Good enough for me.
        8. Rob Dibble – for being Rob Dibble (see Nick Swisher criteria). Also was fired after just ten games as a high school coach.
        9. Hawk Harrelson – for knowing nothing about sabermetrics or the use of advanced analytics in baseball, but feels the need to spout his uninformed opinions anyway.
        10. Carlos Quentin – for getting plunked by Zack Greinke and then breaking his collarbone as “retaliation”, all the while knowing he leans into 2/3 of the pitches he sees and gets hit more than anyone in the MLB.

    • vallewho - Apr 12, 2013 at 8:27 PM

      Just call him El Doucho

  3. nineroutsider - Apr 12, 2013 at 1:35 PM

    Vogie is one intense dude. He seems like one guy that batters would think twice about charging.

  4. jarathen - Apr 12, 2013 at 1:51 PM

    It’s obvious that Quentin crowds the plate. He’s going to get hit and if a pitcher hits him and is ticked about it, Quentin needs to just put his head down and take first base. You took the first step, guy. If you want to play the intimidation game, accept that angry pitchers is part of it.

    • ch0psuey - Apr 12, 2013 at 2:05 PM

      In Quentin’s defense thats exactly what he does (besides this incident). Takes the HBP and trots on down to first. Grienke really should have just closed his mouth and this incident doesnt take place. Instead of charging Grienke, Ellis the catcher has time to catch up to Carlos and prevent a skirmish IMHO.

      • manchestermiracle - Apr 12, 2013 at 6:44 PM

        Your humble opinion sucks. Breaking someone’s bones because you don’t like what they said is the definition of assault and battery and a jail term. Except in baseball, of course, where acting like a junior high douchenozzle (thanks EB) is not only tolerated, it’s cheered on by dickpickles like you.

      • ch0psuey - Apr 12, 2013 at 8:19 PM

        @manchestermiracle I didn’t see any cheering on my behalf about what happened, Quentin should have taken the high road and gone on to first. However if Grienke would have kept his flapper shut (you speak of junior high douchnozzleness) then he wouldn’t be getting a metal rod thru his collarbone. Dickpickle, nice one i will have to remember that….

    • greysolon - Apr 12, 2013 at 3:54 PM

      He wasn’t crowding the plate on that at-bat and the catcher was set up low and away when Greinke fired a fastball at Quentin’s shoulder and head area. Quentin always takes first with not much fuss, but the Dodgers threw at him two days before and threw at him again.And he still would have probably let it slide if Greinke didn’t mouth off like a 170 lb punk.

      Greinke got what he deserved. Hopefully, it costs the Dodgers in the standings.

      • afarina90 - Apr 12, 2013 at 4:58 PM

        “but the Dodgers threw at him two days before” You must not have saw the at bat that Quentin was hit earlier in the series. MLB network showed the at bat last night, and it was clearly 100% Quentins fault he was hit. He checked his swing on a cutter that was a FEW inches inside. Not even close to be thrown at, and for him to mention it as part of the reason he charged was ridiculous. You can’t blame the pitcher on a pitched that he swung and then got hit in the wrist area only because he started to swing.

      • manchestermiracle - Apr 12, 2013 at 6:45 PM

        More moronic defense of a physical attack because someone said something. Grow the fuck up already.

    • evanwins - Apr 12, 2013 at 4:59 PM

      “If you want to play the intimidation game, accept that angry pitchers is part of it”
      Well can’t the same be said for the pitcher? Especially in this case where the pitcher mouths off after doing it, If he wants to play the mouth off game isn’t part of that getting bull rushed? And isn’t part of getting bull rushed the chance of getting injured? Greinke asked for it and Carlos gave it to him. And quite frankly, Carlos won – BIG TIME – with Greinke hitting the DL for at least a month.

      Maybe next time Greinke will keep his mouth shut after he drills someone with a baseball.

      • manchestermiracle - Apr 12, 2013 at 6:51 PM

        The only person who’s a bigger jerk than the guy who thinks “mouthing off” is a worse insult than actually being hit with a baseball are the morons defending said jerk.

        They’re words. That’s it. Just words. If you can’t think of something to say in return maybe you should work on that, instead of thinking that breaking someone’s collarbone is actually an effective come-back. It makes you look like the ass you are, unable to articulate your anger.

        People go to jail for that kind of stupidity in the real world. And then there are the internet cowards who cheer the idiot who thinks a physical attack is a valid response to having their feelings hurt.

  5. beefytrout - Apr 12, 2013 at 1:52 PM

    It does seem like any time a guy gets hit, the batter takes it personally.

    • manchestermiracle - Apr 12, 2013 at 6:57 PM

      Yeah, I can’t wait to see the first time a pitcher charges a batter as he rounds the bases after a home run for having the temerity to swing at the pitch.

      Except for pitches near the head no batter should whine about getting a free pass to first. It’s unfortunate a douchebag like Quentin has become the rule, rather than the exception.

  6. stex52 - Apr 12, 2013 at 2:12 PM

    Biggio crowded the plate. He also padded the forearm. Guess what? Free trip to first. Good for the OBP and good for the team.

    Pitcher has every right to pitch anywhere in the zone. Batter chooses to crowd at his own risk. If he crowds, he has no reason to be surprised when he either has to bail or gets hit.

    I am of the opinion that head hunting is usually pretty obvious. The rest of the time the batter has no business charging the mound. In my mind, two weeks works for Quentin.

  7. evanwins - Apr 12, 2013 at 2:17 PM

    I don’t know where this notion of “he gets hit all the time so he should be used to it” comes from. So a guy who never gets hit has more right to get upset than a guy who gets hit often? Maybe the guys who get hit more than others are tired of it and want to send a message that they are not going to take it anymore.

    For this particular situation I think Greinke should have kept his mouth shut. He hit him with a pitch, Carlos got mad, which he has every right to do. At that point Greinke should have turned and walked away. He chose to mouth off about it instead. He got what he asked for – an amplified situation. Now he has to deal with his actions. If he didn’t want any trouble he shouldn’t have invited it by provoking a guy he just nailed with a baseball.

    • darthicarus - Apr 12, 2013 at 2:26 PM

      I would argue the notion of “being used to it” is the direct result of his stance in the batter’s box, the fact he doesn’t move, and the fact he continues to do it while getting plunked consistently for standing so close. Why didn’t he get mad the other 117 times he’s been hit?

    • ch0psuey - Apr 12, 2013 at 2:29 PM

      Exactly. If Grienke doesnt mouth what he mouthed to Quentin, Quentin doesnt start sprinting at him, catcher has time to get between them and at most the benches clear some words are said a little shoving and its over. Easy Deal.

      • Francisco (FC) - Apr 12, 2013 at 3:01 PM

        Right, Quentin can’t possibly act like an adult after being insulted and simply keep going to first. Grienke’s verbal abuse simply PHYSICALLY disallowed Carlos Quentin from NOT charging the mound.

        Last I checked people are responsible for their own actions. The only thing that made Carlos Quentin charge the mound was Carlos Quentin.

      • evanwins - Apr 12, 2013 at 3:12 PM

        I’m not saying Carlos charging the mound was Greinke’s fault, It’s definitely on him. BUT at the same time Greinke has to accept responsibility for his actions, which were: 1. Hitting him with a pitch and 2, Mouthing off after he did it.

        Everyone wants to put this all on Quentin but there were TWO people involved and all I’m saying is that they both have to assume equal responsibility.

        Personally I find it refreshing that a pitcher got hurt by hitting a batter with a pitch. How many batters have lost time after getting hit with a pitch? It’s nice to see it go the other way.

      • largebill - Apr 12, 2013 at 3:22 PM

        Consider a real life situation someone bumps into you and follows up with an “Excuse me” or some form of apology. You’re not too upset. However, if the guy curses at you after bumping into you then you’ll be ticked off. Getting beaned with a baseball at 90+ MPH is a lot more than getting bumped into. I wouldn’t wish injury on anyone, but there is an element of karma here.

    • greysolon - Apr 12, 2013 at 4:01 PM

      Well said, evan. I’ve never bought into the idea that batters should just accept getting thrown at. In any other circumstance, if anyone throws a hard object at your head at 90 mph and then talks smack— that person SHOULD get a beating.

      I remember back when Pedro Martinez was throwing at people’s head all the time. I literally would have went out and broken that skinny punk’s right arm.

  8. olafisberserker - Apr 12, 2013 at 2:24 PM

    He is used to it. He’s been hit 116 times in his career and this is the first time he has ever charged the mound.

    • evanwins - Apr 12, 2013 at 3:14 PM

      Maybe it’s the first time a pitcher showed absolutely no remorse about it and chose to mouth off to him after doing it?

      Hey, let me hit you with a 90MPH pitch and see if you don’t get mad about it. Then let me mouth off to you after I do it. You’ll just stand there I assume?

      • escapingexile - Apr 12, 2013 at 3:26 PM

        Of course you forgot the part that Quentin took a couple of steps towards Greinke prior to Greinke mouthing off. Of course you’d just stand there and be intimidated I assume?

      • evanwins - Apr 12, 2013 at 4:11 PM

        Right escaping. What Carlos should have done is hung his head, shrugged his shoulders and meekly walked to 1st.

        It’s obviously all Carlos’s fault. How dare he get mad at being hit with a 90 mph pitch. The nerve of that guy!

      • escapingexile - Apr 12, 2013 at 5:47 PM

        Well you chose to relay a story but left what I felt was a somewhat important part of it completely out. I wouldn’t expect him to hang his head. The onus is on the players to realize their individual importance to their respective teams and act accordingly. You want to show him up? Look up and give him a smile and a wink as you trot to first and deposit one 30 rows deep into the stands your next at bat. To go out there and tackle him like it’s a football game? There’s a reason they wear pads in football. Men that big running that fast can do some damage.

        I get it. People fight and you are never going to get around that. However, it’s unfortunate to me that this happened the way it did. I don’t believe at all it was an intentional plunking. It clearly didn’t phase Quentin in the least that he was hit as the ball glanced off of him. I would of rather each of them just shut up and let their play do the talking.

      • manchestermiracle - Apr 12, 2013 at 7:02 PM

        You lost lots of verbal exchanges in school, didn’t you? The chip on your shoulder is almost as big as the one on that chump Quentin’s.

  9. icanspeel - Apr 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM

    So let me get this straight… A pitcher crying because he throws too far inside and hits someone and blames the batter because they are closer to the plate in a legal spot in the batters box?

    • manchestermiracle - Apr 12, 2013 at 7:05 PM

      Just missing that teeny, tiny, inconceivably minuscule fact that the pitcher got his collarbone broken. An inside pitch on a guy who makes his living hanging over the plate? That’s what HPB and take your base are all about in the game. The broken bones because I didn’t like what you said to me? Hmmm, not so much.

  10. anxovies - Apr 12, 2013 at 2:42 PM

    My understanding of the rules is that if the batter hangs over the plate and gets hit by a strike, it is still a strike. If umpires would call that a few times there would be a lot fewer hit batsmen. Can you imagine what Drysdale or Gibson would do to batters like Quentin or Jeter? And I wouldn’t advise charging the mound either.

  11. ryanrockzzz - Apr 12, 2013 at 3:05 PM

    All day today I’ve been thinking…there’s a reason baseball fans aren’t hockey fans. I like the theater of it all. Quentin crowds the plate on purpose, baits the other team. Pitchers get pissed at him, throw at his head. I think these things make baseball even more interesting. Most fans obviously don’t want any fighting or altercations during the game, but I think it’s the human competitive element that you just can’t avoid.

  12. deweyks - Apr 12, 2013 at 3:23 PM

    Quentin didn’t look like he was crowding the plate to me…just saying.

    • paperlions - Apr 12, 2013 at 3:51 PM

      The pitch was only about 9″ inside and hit him in the middle of the triceps, that is pretty much the definition of crowding the plate. There is no way he could even hit a high inside pitch with the bat without pulling his hands in.

    • cktai - Apr 12, 2013 at 4:01 PM

      You don’t get hit 40% more often than Chase Utley without crowding the plate. Heck he even got hit by a couple of pitches that were actually in the strike zone.

  13. lbmclean - Apr 12, 2013 at 4:44 PM

    Does Quentin only charge pitchers that are weak looking?

    • manchestermiracle - Apr 12, 2013 at 7:28 PM

      Why would he charge someone who might kick his sorry, chickenshit ass?

      • ch0psuey - Apr 13, 2013 at 12:41 AM

        You got some obvious issues man. oh, sorry, you have some obvious issues Dickpickle. fixed it.

      • manchestermiracle - Apr 13, 2013 at 8:41 AM

        Yes, I suppose it IS pretty obvious that I don’t approve of knocking an important player out of the game for at least half a season because anger-management is utterly lacking. Silly me.

  14. ch0psuey - Apr 14, 2013 at 3:19 AM

    by important do you mean 170mil? What a great idea to sign a pitcher to a contract of that size…………………

    • ch0psuey - Apr 14, 2013 at 3:20 AM

      Oh sorry…… Dickpickle.

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