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Will Quentin get a greater suspension because Greinke was injured? Doubtful.

Apr 12, 2013, 8:40 AM EDT

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After last night’s Dodgers-Padres brawl, Dodgers manager Don Mattingly said that Carlos Quentin “shouldn’t play a game until Greinke can pitch.” It’s a totally understandable sentiment. Quentin’s idiocy has caused the Dodgers to lose a key cog in their rotation for a couple months in all likelihood, and it would hardly seem fair if Quentin were to get a slap on the wrist.

Thing is: Quentin is likely to get a slap on the wrist.

Baseball’s on-field discipline system is one based on precedent. When someone does something wrong, the league tends to look at comparable previous behavior and discipline and tends to apply similar penalties to the matter at hand.  It sort of has to, because the union defends players who are suspended and, if there is a dispute, the matter is appealed to an arbitrator. Baseball has to defend its discipline and there aren’t many easier defenses than “this is how we always do it.” And no harder sells than “this S.O.B. deserves WAY more.”

Typically, a player is suspended five or six games for charging the mound. There isn’t some database of brawl suspensions that I’m privy to (if I’m wrong, please let me know), but a relatively recent example which springs to mind is Kevin Youkilis charging Rick Porcello in 2009.  It wasn’t a situation unlike last night’s: Youkilis led the league in being hit by pitches, was hit again and decided that enough was enough. He threw his helmet at Porcello and the benches cleared. Youkilis got a five-game suspension. Notably, he didn’t appeal. Oftentimes Major League Baseball will give six-game suspensions and then reduce them to five if the player appeals. You get the sense they feel five games is about right.

In 2010 Nyjer Morgan received an eight-game suspension for a brawl between the Nationals and Marlins. That on top of a seven-game suspension that was then pending for throwing a ball at a fan in the stands. At the time it was considered a surprisingly heavy suspension for merely inciting a brawl.

Also in 2010 — and maybe this is the most instructive — the Cardinals and Reds got into a bench-clearing brawl. Reds pitcher Johnny Cueto, pushed up against the backstop by the scrum — began indiscriminately kicking people. One of the people he kicked was Cardinals catcher Jason LaRue, giving him a concussion which ended his career. HIS ENTIRE CAREER.  Cueto was suspended for seven games for his “violent and aggressive actions,” per the Major League Baseball press release. As a starting pitcher, that was, in effect, a one-game suspension.

All of this is a relatively recent phenomenon, however, as brawls were treated with light discipline prior to the 1990s. A great example: a May 20, 1976 brawl between the Yankees and Red Sox. After a lot of bad blood and then a rough collision at the plate that knocked Carlton Fisk on his kiester, Yankees’ third basemen Graig Nettles body slammed Red Sox pitcher Bill Lee — who had been jawing at the Yankees in the press for years — and broke his collarbone.  Then he punched him in the eye for good measure.  Lee missed nearly two months of action.  Nettles was not suspended at all.

So, yes, looking at what happened last night — a $147 million pitcher two games into his new deal gets sidelined for a long, long time — it’s tempting to say that Quentin should get a much more significant suspension than we’d normally see.  But baseball has rarely operated that way. They tend to punish the act — the charging of the mound — not punish based on the consequences of the act. Otherwise Cueto would have been suspended much longer, yes?

My guess: Quentin gets six games. Maybe eight if Bud Selig woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.  But it’s inevitable, it seems, that Quentin will be playing games long, long before Greinke is even tentatively throwing off a mound on a practice field.

101 Comments (Feed for Comments)
  1. townballblog - Apr 12, 2013 at 8:41 AM

    I agree…But he should.

    • fanofevilempire - Apr 12, 2013 at 11:35 AM

      why didn’t the catcher hit Carlos with the bat or ball, charge my guy after getting hit on a 3-2 pitch, that is what I do and that’s that!

      what was Carlos intent when he charged the mound?
      like I said bat or ball to his noggin.

  2. randygnyc - Apr 12, 2013 at 8:48 AM

    Considering their bad blooded history, both players deserve a suspension. That a toothpick poked a hornets nest and got stung doesn’t mean the hornet should be penalized in any greater way. Put em both on time out. The moral to the story is, players don’t like getting thrown at and hit. They like it even less when it’s smack talked.

    • heyblueyoustink - Apr 12, 2013 at 9:06 AM

      The thing is, I don’t think he hit him intentionally, considering the count at the time. This was a “go take your base” kind of situation, not some kind of retaliation thing.

      http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/q/quentca01.shtml

      There’s also the fact that Quentin *clearly* leans into some pitches historically. If he’s tired of getting hit then he needs to change his approach.

      And I can’t stand the Dodgers, but I put this on the batter and I won’t be suprised if he’s targeted next week when they meet again, idiota or no.

      • gloccamorra - Apr 12, 2013 at 1:24 PM

        Forget the count and game situation being any reason no to “intentionally hit a batter. The batter is a power hitter who has already hit 3 homers against Greinke, and on a 3-2 pitch would have had to put one over the plate or thrown a ball and put him on. Hitting him is the same as a walk, and sends a message – augmented by Greinke mouthing off. The umpire undoubtedly heard what was said, so we may find out eventually. Until the Commish speaks, it’s all conjecture.

    • koufaxmitzvah - Apr 12, 2013 at 9:27 AM

      What a great reason to attempt to destroy somebody’s career while also punishing the shmucks who happen to have signed that player to a new contract.

      Yup. Nothing I like more (as an NL West man) than paying for some AL dirt more than 1000 days later.

    • Bill Parker - Apr 12, 2013 at 9:37 AM

      Absolutely no chance he hit him intentionally. Quentin is hit with pitches more frequently than anyone in history (not gonna look that up because if not he’s VERY close) and almost all of them are just like that one–little taps on the elbow that he very nearly sticks out over the plate. Greinke just did the same thing pitchers have done like 116 times before, and in return he got a pretty serious injury. The suggestion that he should be punished for it is nuts.

  3. jsally430 - Apr 12, 2013 at 8:59 AM

    considering greinke was the one who hit quientin and the thriw his glove on the ground then run towards him and lower his shoulder. why is it quentins fault? if your opponent is bigger and stronger then you why would you take off running towards him and lower your shoulder? Quentin should get a two game suspension for clearing the benches that’s it. nothing more for greinke being a dip shit

    • antlerclaws - Apr 12, 2013 at 9:06 AM

      I doubt Greinke put a lot of thought into his fighting stance; he just had to kind of lower himself to absorb the charge but unfortunately took it right on the collar bone. He couldn’t exactly run away, which would’ve been the smart thing to do, but then he would never live that down either.

      • koufaxmitzvah - Apr 12, 2013 at 9:26 AM

        Greinke was actually dragged to the ground on his shoulder by Quentin.

        When I worked in the bar industry, that move resulted in a cop call, an 86, and, possibly, a future job as doorman.

    • paperlions - Apr 12, 2013 at 9:17 AM

      Totally, agree. Obviously, Quentin was just on his way to 1B and was “walking it off” by jogging past the mound and made incidental contact with that jackwagon Greinke, who purposefully got in the way of his innocent constitutional.

    • koufaxmitzvah - Apr 12, 2013 at 9:24 AM

      Considering you didn’t see the game (obviously), I’d have to say that you’re the dipshit.

  4. ditto65 - Apr 12, 2013 at 9:00 AM

    I always figured Selig slept in a coffin.

    • heyblueyoustink - Apr 12, 2013 at 9:10 AM

      Barnabas Selig?

    • historiophiliac - Apr 12, 2013 at 9:34 AM

      Least sexy vampire ever.

      • heyblueyoustink - Apr 12, 2013 at 10:51 AM

        Worse than Lon Chaney?

      • historiophiliac - Apr 12, 2013 at 10:56 AM

        That’s kind of a tough call — but Chaney wins out on talent. (Of course, neither holds a candle to George Hamilton.)

  5. brewcrewfan54 - Apr 12, 2013 at 9:02 AM

    Greinke got in a fight and got hurt, that’s on him as much as Quentin. They each get the standard suspension and unfortunately Zack misses a lot more time. And it almost sounds like you think they should take the players’ value to the team into account for the suspension and that should not happen for sure.

    • rvnc - Apr 12, 2013 at 9:11 AM

      I completely agree. I think Greinke’s value is clouding people’s judgement.

    • koufaxmitzvah - Apr 12, 2013 at 9:31 AM

      If Quentin doesn’t charge the mound, there is no fight. I fail to see how Greinke is an instigator.

      Oh wait… He pitched the ball. That’s right. And hit a batter who has gotten hit by more pitches than anyone playing the game today.

      In the real world, Quentin gets possibly arrested and more than likely sued for aggravated assault.

      • jwbiii - Apr 12, 2013 at 9:57 AM

        koufax, Quentin gets hit by pitches frequently, but the leader is Jason Giambi.

        http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/HBP_active.shtml

      • Bill Parker - Apr 12, 2013 at 10:09 AM

        Yeah, but in 3x the PA. I’m pretty sure Quentin gets hit in a greater percentage of his plate appearances than anyone in history, but I haven’t been able to figure out a way to confirm that.

      • koufaxmitzvah - Apr 12, 2013 at 10:11 AM

        Sheesh. Even Chase Utley has been hit with more pitches than Carlos Quentin. Thanks for the head’s up, JB.

      • ryanrockzzz - Apr 12, 2013 at 10:16 AM

        haha baseball like the real world? come on man. They aren’t even close to the same thing, so don’t drag out that worn out comparison.

        No one knows if Grienke was intending to hit Quentin. All I know is Quentin runs toward the mound and Grienke doesn’t back down. He decides to stand there and get his 121 million dollar butt dragged to the ground. If he was smart he would have avoided contact with someone much bigger then him. But he wanted it just as much in the moment.

      • jwbiii - Apr 12, 2013 at 12:03 PM

        Bill Parker, Here ya go:

        1 Hughie Jennings+ (18) 287 R 5,860 .0490
        49 Carlos Quentin (8, 30) 115 R 2,796 .0411
        6 Ron Hunt (12) 243 R 6,158 .0395
        7 Dan McGann (12) 230 B 6,051 .0380
        3 Tommy Tucker (13) 272 B 7,273 .0374
        13 Curt Welch (10) 173 R 4,939 .0350
        63 Jason LaRue (12) 107 R 3,103 .0345
        18 Fernando Vina (12) 157 L 4,742 .0331
        46 Reed Johnson (11, 36) 120 R 3,641 .0330
        16 Kid Elberfeld (14) 165 R 5,272 .0313

        You had to figure the leader was an 1890s guy, but Quentin is pretty impressive. And Reed Johnson?

      • greysolon - Apr 12, 2013 at 4:08 PM

        In the real world, if someone throws a hard object at another person’s head and then talks smack– that person deserves what he gets.

    • brewcrewfan54 - Apr 12, 2013 at 9:53 AM

      Yeah and hockey players should go to jail for fighting and football players to so that point is moot just to start things off. Quentin didnt charge right away, Greinke said something to him and then threw his glove down and made a move toward Quentin. Greinke was a willing participant in this fight. I know its hard to do because it’ll get his manhood questioned but if you dont want to get hurt don’t get in a fight.

      • koufaxmitzvah - Apr 12, 2013 at 10:05 AM

        I didn’t say he should be sued or go to jail. I’m saying in the Real World, where folks don’t make a bazillion dollars playing a kids’ game, that should somebody show up in your ‘hood that you had a beef with more than 3 years ago, and you go, “Yo, Chump, I want some words with you,” and then you go up to Chump and drag him down to the ground and break his arm.

        You know … the Real World. Where folks don’t go skating down the street wielding hooked sticks.

      • koufaxmitzvah - Apr 12, 2013 at 10:06 AM

        As for the glove toss (yeah, that’s a reason to break somebody’s collarbone) if you really freeze the action, you will see that Quentin begins his rush to the mound just before Greinke tosses his mitt. But let’s keep speculating, because that’s not a waste of time or energy.

  6. icanspeel - Apr 12, 2013 at 9:02 AM

    Greinke wasn’t exactly trying to avoid any conflict. I also wonder if the injury happened when they butted shoulders or if when the piles of players fell on them.

  7. chacochicken - Apr 12, 2013 at 9:02 AM

    I hate when pitchers throw at a batter. I’m not convinced that was deliberate and Quentin leans over the plate to the tune of 100+ hit by pitches. He’s got a long list of pitchers to rush.

  8. mckludge - Apr 12, 2013 at 9:03 AM

    Craig,

    This probably was not your area of legal expertise, but do the Dodgers have a case for recompense here? A player from an opposing team performed an action (charged the mound) that is not considered a normal part of the game (like, say, a collision at the plate). That action led to a Dodgers player being unable to perform his job for some period of time. Could the Dodgers sue the Padres and/or Quentin and/or MLB for medical expenses and loss of productivity?

    • Craig Calcaterra - Apr 12, 2013 at 9:08 AM

      I have no idea if a court would ever entertain that, but I know practically speaking that MLB wouldn’t let the Dodgers do it. It would open up a huge can of worms for sports.

    • antlerclaws - Apr 12, 2013 at 9:09 AM

      That seems like it would set a precedent for any time a player got injured by another team’s player, there would be a lawsuit. What would be next, restraining orders? Would make games difficult, to say the least.

    • 78mu - Apr 12, 2013 at 9:11 AM

      Yeah, lets get more lawyers involved. That’s always good for baseball.

      • fanofevilempire - Apr 12, 2013 at 11:37 AM

        hey, Craig is listening, be nice.

    • mckludge - Apr 12, 2013 at 9:30 AM

      It would be a huge can of worms. But this wasn’t an injury incurred during play. This wasn’t contact made while breaking up a double play or colliding wih the catcher at home plate. Once Quentin was hit by the pitch, the play is dead.

      I agree that yeah, it would probably be a bad idea. But the Dodgers paid a lot of money for Grienke. One could easily argue that the Dodgers will lose revenue because of the injury.

      • koufaxmitzvah - Apr 12, 2013 at 9:33 AM

        Teams get insurance for their big contract players, and that should cover the Dodgers’ monetary loss.

      • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Apr 12, 2013 at 10:22 AM

        @koufax: *SOME* teams get insurance for *some* of their big contract players. Insurance costs have risen to the point where many teams pass on insuring players. Even if they do, many times, insurance requires that the player miss the full season to pay out.

        I don’t know what the Dodgers did with Greinke and insurance, but I wouldn’t assume that his absence is covered. The way the Dodgers have been spending money, and with the extra 3 or 4 starters they have hanging around, I don’t think insurance would make any difference in their plans.

  9. rvnc - Apr 12, 2013 at 9:09 AM

    I’m sorry Craig but this is nonense. The precedent for charging the mound is a five-to-six game ban, so that’s exactly what should happen. As far as severity goes, Greinke did unfortunately get injured, but the comparison between this incident and others, which involve punching people in the eye or kicking them in the head is absurd. The only thing that made this particular incident notable was the injury. Quintin approaches the mound, the two shoulder barge into each other and then AJ Ellis bundles them over. That’s it. No punches, kicks, eye gouges etc. I’m completely not defending Quintin but you cannot seriously compare that to kicking people in the head or throwing balls at fans. As I’ve said, the only thing that made this incident remarkable was that a $100+ million pitcher got hurt.

    By imposing a huge suspension on Quintin you’d be punishing the consequences of the crime as opposed to the crime itself. It’s like being given a heavier sentence for GTA because you stole a Ferrari instead of a Ford. In effect you’re saying that what Quintin did was worse than Youkilis for instance, just because a guy got hurt.

    I dunno, maybe I’m in the wrong on this but it just seems like hysteria because its a big star in Greinke. People have been charging the mound forever and Quintin won’t be the last. It just feels like he’s being singled out because the guy he did it to has a huge contract and unfortunately got hurt.

    • indaburg - Apr 12, 2013 at 9:35 AM

      “It’s like being given a heavier sentence for GTA because you stole a Ferrari instead of a Ford.” I see what you’re saying, but here’s another example to counter yours.

      If you punch a man, but he’s otherwise ok, you can be arrested for battery. If you punch a man, but this time he loses his balance, smashes his head on the ground, and ends up in the hospital comatose near death, you can be arrested for attempted manslaughter and be dealt the much heavier punishment. Same exact act–one punch thrown–but very different repercussions due to the result of your action. (I am NOT saying that what Quentin did is anything as bad as my example. I’m merely contrasting MLB to the real world, and how the consequences can, and should, be taken into account.) The punishment should have nothing to do with the pitcher’s salary or worth, and I don’t think it’s what Craig was saying. As Craig put it, “They tend to punish the act — the charging of the mound — not punish based on the consequences of the act.”

    • koufaxmitzvah - Apr 12, 2013 at 9:35 AM

      You miss the part where after Ellis knocks down Quentin and Quentin drags Greinke down ontop of the mound. He fell down hard, and I think that’s where the injury occurs.

  10. chill1184 - Apr 12, 2013 at 9:10 AM

    He obviously wont but the previous bad blood between the two should be involved in the discussion when the league is deciding punishment. IMO

    • jwbiii - Apr 12, 2013 at 10:37 AM

      Have they had issues in the past? Quentin has hit Greinke hard (3 HRs, 982 OPS) but Greinke has only hit Quentin with a pitch once before.

  11. escapingexile - Apr 12, 2013 at 9:11 AM

    You don’t honestly believe that in a one run game with a full count that he actually chose that point to throw at him, do you? If he was intent on hitting him, why bother getting to a full count? Sure Greinke probably said something after Quentin took a couple steps his way…. What would you have done? Gee I’m sorry sir. I really didn’t mean it. Come on, get real. He’d look like a chump to Quentin, the rest of the league, and most importantly his teammates had he cowered like that. The moral of the story is Quentin is seriously lacking in the baseball IQ department if he thinks at that point he got plunked intentionally.

    • schroedee - Apr 12, 2013 at 9:39 AM

      So if quentin gets hurt what then?? Greinke shoulda keep his mouth shut.. what ever happened to tip’in your cap. I feel its like hockey, your throw your gloves down you take responsibility for yourself in that situation.

      • escapingexile - Apr 12, 2013 at 10:16 AM

        It’s unfortunate either way that anyone got hurt. But it is part of the game. Just as Quentin choosing to crowd the plate is part of the game, he needs to realize that his league leading rate of being HBP is a result of that. Pitchers aren’t going to stop throwing inside. I’d argue that the first to “drop their gloves” was Quentin by taking a couple steps towards the mound because I don’t believe in any way, shape, or form that it was an intentional beaning.

      • bigharold - Apr 12, 2013 at 1:47 PM

        “So if quentin gets hurt what then?? ”

        Had Quentin been hurt by that pitch that would have been the result of normal baseball play. Players getting hit while unfortunate happens.

        “.. throw your gloves down you take responsibility for yourself in that situation.”

        Except he didn’t throw his glove to the ground until after Quentin started his charge. In effect he was preparing for the inevitable.

        The pitch got him on the on the back of the arm and wasn’t nearly as high or inside as the one thrown at Kemp, that he managed to get out of the way of. Quentin should have acted like a professional and kept his mouth shut and took his base.

        Deliberately throwing at a player is one thing, one getting away from a pitcher is completely another. Considering the point of the game, the score and the count there seems to be no evidence that he was trying to hit Quentin. And, if that was his intent, why did he bother throw 5 pitches to get it to a 3-2 count? Quentin bares complete responsibility for this injury because HE insisted on fighting.

  12. greymares - Apr 12, 2013 at 9:12 AM

    Greinke was a tough guy when he threw the pitch and a tough guy when he threw the glove and accepted the challenge of Quentin charging the mound. put your fists up and fight instead of ducking out of the way the injury is on Greinke, when he threw the pitch( which of course was intentional).

  13. bgrillz - Apr 12, 2013 at 9:12 AM

    I doubt Donny D-Bag would feel the same if Kemp charged the mound and one of the Padres pitchers were hurt. It would be just “part of baseball” Maybe after Kemp got buzzed and he didn’t show up the whole Pads bench, maybe Quentin doesn’t think getting plunked is intentional.

    • bigharold - Apr 12, 2013 at 1:52 PM

      “I doubt Donny D-Bag would feel the same if Kemp charged the mound and one of the Padres pitchers were hurt.”

      Except Kemp didn’t did he? He acted like a grown up and a professional and took his base. And, the pitch at Kemp was high and further inside.

  14. rbj1 - Apr 12, 2013 at 9:20 AM

    How many times did Don Baylor charge the mound?

    I was at a Mud Hens game last year. Hens pitcher hit a guy in the helmet, he had to come out of the game, and later hit another. next Hens batter got plunked and just went to first. No warnings issued, even though everyone knew it was intentional.

    Why would Clayton hit him in that situation?

    • kingjoe1 - Apr 12, 2013 at 9:48 AM

      Ummmm, wrong pitcher

  15. sdelmonte - Apr 12, 2013 at 9:20 AM

    All I have to say is that I want zero tolerance about this. No brawls, no brushbacks, none of the macho nonsense that has been part of the game and shouldn’t be.

    You do any of these things, and you are automatically suspended and fined. Period. You charge the mound? Goodbye. You seek retaliation? Goodbye. You leave the bench or the dugout? Goodbye. Adults do not engage in garbage like this. Period.

    (Yes, I know that can’t happen without changed to the CBA and to the culture of the sport. But this is the one part of ALL sports I hate, the main reason I really don’t know if I would want any kids of mine to watch sports.)

    Feel free to heap abuse on me for being a wimp or a bleeding heart or what have you. But a system that can’t find a way to avoid what happened last night and a culture that encourage look broken to me in many ways.

  16. dirtydrew - Apr 12, 2013 at 9:31 AM

    The worlds smallest violin is playing a sad tune for the boys in blue. If you hit a guy, it happens. When Buster Posey got run over by Scott Cousins, he was out of the baseline and in front of the plate, no one was suspended. With 147 million in his pocket, Granke ought get some ju jitsu lessons.

    • bigharold - Apr 12, 2013 at 1:54 PM

      “When Buster Posey got run over by Scott Cousins, ..”

      That was a normal baseball occurrence. Charging the mound because one got away from him is at least unprofessional.

  17. theSC1320 - Apr 12, 2013 at 9:40 AM

    “Dodgers manager Don Mattingly said that Carlos Quentin “shouldn’t play a game until Greinke can pitch.”

    I wonder if managers arguments like this would go the other way too? That if say Quentin’s wrist got broken by the pitch and didn’t charge the mound after taking it (thrown running up and in, on a 3-2 count, as the catcher sets up for a pitch on the outside)…should the pitcher not be able to pitch until the batter can return from the injury he causes? Meaning that Mattingly would accept losing his $$$ pitcher for the same amount of time the batter he hits and injures?

    • ch0psuey - Apr 12, 2013 at 12:02 PM

      Good Point.

    • manchestermiracle - Apr 12, 2013 at 1:58 PM

      Yeah, because charging the mound with the intention of hurting someone is exactly the same, right?

    • bigharold - Apr 12, 2013 at 2:05 PM

      There is a difference between being hurt by the unintended pitch that gets away and one losing ones control and deliberately breaking the rules, .. charging the mound and starting a brawl. Unless there is a reasonable assumption that the pitcher intentionally threw at a player a pitcher is not subject any form of sanction.

      But, to answer your question, Mattingly, .. or any manger for that matter, .. could and would easily argue both sides depending on the actions of their player.

      • theSC1320 - Apr 12, 2013 at 5:06 PM

        Batters don’t have much opportunity to “accidentily let one slip” and tag a pitcher in the course of a game. Hard slides at second, inside the bag at first, and hard into the catcher are about as close as one can get away with. Rarely the opportunity to “target” the pitcher in a pre-meditated way, like a pitcher can a batter.

        And…yup I agree, manager most likely will argue whatever side necessary to win the game.

  18. kingjoe1 - Apr 12, 2013 at 9:47 AM

    CQ is hurt so often he will create his own suspension. The dude gets in maybe 100 games a year. Well i can say that certainly create excitement for the two teams remaining 16 games this year. I do worry, based on problems with fans in the past in CA, that this will end up getting a fan killed in the parking lot.

  19. js20011041 - Apr 12, 2013 at 9:55 AM

    Don’t you see this in hockey, where part of the punishment stems from the extent of the injury, or lack thereof, to the player that was hit? To me, that doesn’t make any sense. I think the result is largely irrelevant. You should be punishing the act and the intent.

    • unclemosesgreen - Apr 12, 2013 at 10:16 AM

      It’s impossible to determine intent. What you’re suggesting is that someone pretend they are omnipotent and can look inside the hearts and minds of the athletes. This tends to skew punishment towards post-facto reasoning and random rushes to judgment, it actually encourages exactly what you’re suggesting doesn’t make any sense.

      • mckludge - Apr 12, 2013 at 1:51 PM

        It may be impossible to read the mind of a player, but intent can be reasonably inferred through a whole variety of means and evidence. It’s what our justice system does all the time.

        Staying with the hockey front, can you doubt the intention of Marty McSorley when he knocked out Donald Brashear in 2000? Or Todd Bertuzzi knocking out Steve Moore in 2004? Bertuzzi may not have wanted to knock Moore out of hockey forever, but he certainly intended to injure him. Why else would you sucker punch someone in the back of the head?

  20. BigBeachBall - Apr 12, 2013 at 10:00 AM

    Padre fan, padres dont get their due coverage by major news outets but we dont want to get it this way…. What a shame…

  21. Paul White - Apr 12, 2013 at 10:07 AM

    All of this is going to boil down to how much MLB wants brawls to continue. If they give the standard 5-6 game suspension, then they are clearly saying they are fine with the occasional brawl happening. If they hit him with a one-month suspension (knowing they’d lose on appeal due to precedent, but hoping this begins the establishment of a new precedent), and then issue a statement that saying any fighting will result in a significantly increased suspension than has been the case in the past, then we know they are at least semi-serious about putting a stop to this.

    I’d be in favor of the latter, frankly, but I have zero expectation they will do that.

    • unclemosesgreen - Apr 12, 2013 at 10:18 AM

      So what you propose is impossible, and you’ll be upset when they don’t do it. Thanks Paul.

      • Paul White - Apr 12, 2013 at 10:24 AM

        Interesting take, unclemosesgren, given that A) It’s actually not impossible for MLB to propose exactly what I suggested, and B) I won’t be upset in any way when it doesn’t happen. But thanks for your insight, I will give it all the weight it deserves.

      • unclemosesgreen - Apr 12, 2013 at 10:29 AM

        You’re right, your proposal wasn’t impossible, I used the wrong word. The right word was ‘ridiculous’.

      • Paul White - Apr 12, 2013 at 12:57 PM

        So it would be “ridiculous” for Major League Baseball to state publicly that they not want their employees engaging in fistfights in front of the paying customers, and will deal more harshly with those employees who choose to do so anyway? Got it, new definition of “ridiculous”. Again, thanks for the input.

  22. santolonius - Apr 12, 2013 at 10:21 AM

    a slap on the wrist for quentin could turn into a pitch to his head next time he faces the dodgers. selig should consider that too.

  23. drewsylvania - Apr 12, 2013 at 10:31 AM

    My only beef with this is that MLB is perfectly capable of being inconsistent with their punishments.

    (well, I have a second beef, with 99% of syllables uttered by Randy, but…)

  24. blabidibla - Apr 12, 2013 at 10:34 AM

    Even this Giants fan can tell you that was not an intentional plunking. I feel bad for Greinke.

    Still I’m calling this karma for trying to buy the NL West. Everyone knows attempts at purchasing a title only work for the Yankees.

    • manchestermiracle - Apr 13, 2013 at 9:24 AM

      Yes, god forbid a team should utilize its assets and try to compete. Good thing one of the Dodgers’ best players got hurt, because those bastards deserve it for acting like they actually want to win.

      • blabidibla - Apr 15, 2013 at 11:01 AM

        Don’t you just hate it when you need to explain a joke?

  25. sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Apr 12, 2013 at 10:37 AM

    Maybe someone else already asked this, but Couldn’t Greinke just press criminal charges for assault or some other such thing? I know it is unlikely, but really how else can you describe it? If someone at my job quasi-accidentally caused me some harm, and I ran up and tackled that person, I would face charges.

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