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Who’s got the whammy on your team? AL Edition

Apr 15, 2013, 11:33 AM EDT


Last week Chris Jaffe of the Hardball Times wrote about which pitchers, historically, own which NL teams. Still smarting over Eric Show dominating the Braves. Today he has the American League version up.

Fun Fact: Carl Mays owned the Athletics but not the Indians. And he FREAKIN’ KILLED A GUY on the Indians. Just never mess with Carl Mays, man.

Fun reading. If for no other reason that it reminded me of Kevin Appier’s existence. He’s the most likely really good pitcher of the 90s/00s who will be totally forgotten a few years from now. I liked him a lot.

  1. historiophiliac - Apr 15, 2013 at 11:42 AM

    Damn you, Red Faber!

    • historiophiliac - Apr 15, 2013 at 11:57 AM

      Good morning, troll.

  2. dondada10 - Apr 15, 2013 at 11:59 AM

    Nothing personal, but Kevin Appier gives me bad memories.

    In 2000 the Mets made the World Series and lost to the hated Yanks. In 2001, there was a plethora of big name free-agents, Manny Ramirez and Alex Rodriguez amongst them.

    Not only didn’t the Mets sign either guy, but they lost their own free agent Mike Hampton.

    Kevin Appier was the consolation prize. And honestly, he pitched well in 2001. Well enough to be traded for Mo Vaughn in 2002, which ushered in a very shitty time period in Mets history (2002-2004) which featured Vaughn, Burnitz, Alomar and Roger Cedeno all simultaneously losing their skills.

    The Appier trade was for the Mets what the Ewing trade was for the Knicks.

    • sdelmonte - Apr 15, 2013 at 12:57 PM

      I have to say, in retrospect not signing A-Rod or Hampton doesn’t seem like the worst thing.

      But yeah, the Vaughn trade was a total disaster. There have been worse deals and worse signings, but it’s hard to think of one that is more emblematic of its time.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Apr 15, 2013 at 1:05 PM

        I have to say, in retrospect not signing A-Rod or Hampton doesn’t seem like the worst thing.

        Hampton fell off a cliff, but not sign Arod? From ’01 to ’07, when he opted out, he put up:

        .304/.400/.591 (154 OPS+), 329 HR, 1284 H, 908 RBI, and 874 R (average 47 HR, 183 H, 130 RBI, and 125 R). How is that a bad thing?

      • sdelmonte - Apr 15, 2013 at 2:56 PM

        Hard not to shake the feeling that in the glare of NYC, he would have been the same headache he’s been to the Yanks, just sooner.

        Also, it’s even harder to shake the feeling that he wouldn’t have been just another bad free agent signing. That somehow, the very act of becoming a Met would have reduced A-Rod to the same level as Bonilla, Jason Bay and so on. The only big money free agent signing that I think really worked out for the Mets is Beltran, and a lot of fans don’t agree with me on that.

  3. dluxxx - Apr 15, 2013 at 1:02 PM

    You could pretty much put any Yankee pitcher in there for the Twins during the Gardy Era, and there would be a good case to be made, but yeah, Wells did have that perfect game, so I’d give him the nod.

  4. vallewho - Apr 15, 2013 at 1:06 PM

    We need the opposite list. You know, the Pedro Martinez the “Yankees are my daddy” edition.

    • jwbiii - Apr 15, 2013 at 8:07 PM

      Martinez had a better ERA v. the Yankees than Frank Lary. Not as good a W/L record, though.

  5. heyblueyoustink - Apr 15, 2013 at 2:24 PM

    Guys like Carlos Quentin should be happy guys like Carl Mays aren’t pitching in today’s game.

    I mean wow. As he just stood on the mound as the trainers came to check on Ray Chapman.

    • jwbiii - Apr 15, 2013 at 9:20 PM

      Carl Mays’ HBP rate wasn’t especially high. Several pitchers of recent vintage (Jamey Wright, Kerry Wood, Vicente Padilla, Chan Ho Park, Jeff Weaver, and Julian Tavarez) have or had HBP rates more than twice as high as his.

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