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Marlins brass angers players after meddling with rotation

Apr 24, 2013, 8:51 AM EDT

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I guess it’s “meddling.” I mean, it is a situation in which the front office decided which pitcher would handle the day part of the yesterday’s doubleheader (Jose Fernandez) and which would handle the night (Ricky Nolasco). Not that it was capricious or anything. It was done in an effort to give Fernandez the start in warmer temperatures while pushing the veteran Nolasco to the evening hours.

But apparently it is tradition in doubleheader situations that the more senior pitcher usually gets to choose whether he wants the first game or the second. Nolasco wasn’t asked, however. What’s more, he was originally listed as the daytime starter and wasn’t notified that he was bumped late until a couple hours before game time.  This ruffled some feathers, reports Clark Spencer of the Miami Herald:

“Not a smart move,” said a member of the Marlins’ uniformed contingent. “It’s a slap in the face to Ricky.”

After notching his first win of the season, it was clear Nolasco was biting his tongue.

“I’m not going to talk about that situation,” Nolasco said following only the Marlins’ fifth win of the season. “Still go to go out there and pitch, happy or not, whatever the situation is. You got to go out there and do my job. It wasn’t fun, but just grinded it out.”

Asked if he was unhappy about the late change, Nolasco replied: “No comment.”

I’ll take their word for it. Personally I had never before heard of this tradition. If it is something that’s done in baseball, however, and the Marlins ignored it, well, that’s the Marlins for you.

  1. heyblueyoustink - Apr 24, 2013 at 9:02 AM

    “To defy the laws of tradition, is a crusade only of the brave.”

    Or the Marlins are a perpetual classless organization

    Or the pitcher making a pretty good buck and should pipe down

    One of these things is true. I have no idea of what to make of this story other than the Marlins acting like the Marlins.

    • dluxxx - Apr 24, 2013 at 9:40 AM

      When in doubt always choose Primus.

      • heyblueyoustink - Apr 24, 2013 at 9:50 AM

        All the way up to and including the Brown Album.

        Fun fact: turn on any mainstream new network channel, mute it, and rock “The Return of Sathington Willoughby” in the backround, the news makes much more sense.

      • dluxxx - Apr 24, 2013 at 10:30 AM

        Agreed, although I’m of the opinion that “Tales from the Punchbowl” was a little overrated.

        I’ve been listening to their new release Green Naugahyde a little bit and it’s still pretty solid. Overall I still like Frizzle Fry and Pork Soda the best though…

      • heyblueyoustink - Apr 24, 2013 at 10:46 AM

        I stopped at Antipop, it really disappointed and I didn’t want to defile my love for the band.

        But I disagree a little on Tales, It’s definitely not as dark as Pork Soda, and Frizzle Fry is out of this world, but between Year of the Parrot and the De Anza jig along with tracks one and three, is more than solid.

      • dluxxx - Apr 24, 2013 at 10:56 AM

        I should probably give it another listen. I just remember Wynona’s Big Brown Beaver getting way too much airplay and it kinda turned me off…

    • realgone2 - Apr 24, 2013 at 10:31 AM

      I think is more apropos in regards to Loria and company.

      • dluxxx - Apr 24, 2013 at 10:42 AM

        They call me Mr. Knowitall. I am so eloquent. Perfection is my middle name.

        And … whatever … rhymes with eloquent…

      • realgone2 - Apr 24, 2013 at 10:46 AM

        Tales was ok. Hellbound 17 and a half is a great song. Everything after that was not very good in my opinion. If you wanna here some real good stuff look up their demos and some early concerts from 87 on youtube. Awesome stuff.

      • heyblueyoustink - Apr 24, 2013 at 11:04 AM

        Which is what makes “Suck on This” so great. Still have the cassette tape. Talk about awe at first listen.

      • realgone2 - Apr 24, 2013 at 11:06 AM

  2. yankeepunk3000 - Apr 24, 2013 at 9:05 AM

    I always figured it was the order of the rotation. Never thought the Vet got too.choose.

    • blacksables - Apr 24, 2013 at 9:54 AM

      Do you think Bob Gibson was going to be told he would pitch the second game instead of the first?

      This has been tradition for a long time, back to the days when pitchers would start both games of a double header.

      • historiophiliac - Apr 24, 2013 at 10:11 AM

        Oh, I think if Loria tried that with Gibson, he would’ve gotten a warning shot inside.

  3. jm91rs - Apr 24, 2013 at 9:05 AM

    I’ve been writing down all of the unwritten rules for the past few years. I guess this one needs to go in the book too.

    • waiverclaim - Apr 24, 2013 at 9:23 AM

      But if you write down an unwritten rule…won’t it become a rule??????

      • Old Gator - Apr 24, 2013 at 9:37 AM

        You need to destroy that book lest it fall into the hands of a spawrtsrghter.

  4. bolweevils2 - Apr 24, 2013 at 9:09 AM

    I’ve never heard of that rule. I do think I can recall occasions when one guy was pitched in the day (or night) because he’s better in day (or night) games. Since double headers are sometimes followed with one of those pitchers next having to pitch in three days rest, I think I’ve also heard of starting the short rest guy in the day game to give him a few more hours before his next start.

    But I do think Nolasco certainly should have been told the day before which game he was pitching.

  5. chacochicken - Apr 24, 2013 at 9:10 AM

    This, I think it is safe to say, is by far the least of the Marlins problems.

  6. xpensivewinos - Apr 24, 2013 at 9:10 AM

    On the upside, look at how great things are going for the Marlins where this is all they have to worry about……

  7. albertmn - Apr 24, 2013 at 9:15 AM

    I thought the manager was in charge of who played and pitched when. The players get a lot of money to just be quiet and do their job. If there is some “tradition” about which player starts which game, it should carry as much weight as the “unwritten rules”, which is none. Do what the manager tells you, and if you have a problem, take it up with the manager not the press. In my opinion, this isn’t a “pile on the Marlins issue”, but rather a whiny player issue.

    • forsch31 - Apr 24, 2013 at 12:33 PM

      Actually, the manager apparently didn’t make this decision, and he’s irked about it, too. From the story:

      “Multiple sources said the decision was made by higher-ups in the organization, however, and did not sit well with Redmond, pitching coach Chuck Hernandez and Nolasco, who were all caught off guard by the announcement.”

      • Old Gator - Apr 24, 2013 at 2:38 PM

        Nope, this just sounds like Scrooge McLoria trying to show everyone how smart he is. I guess he figured if he could convince Jimmy, he should be able to convince everyone else. I guess he’ll keep trying. But as long as him dimwitted fellow owners keep pouring their own largesse into his pocket, why should he not go on meddling?

    • bolweevils2 - Apr 24, 2013 at 1:24 PM

      I could see a front office getting involved with this kind of decision if they thought one of the guys was a big gate attraction and they wanted to maximize ticket sales. I wouldn’t like it from the baseball side, but I could see it. But that doesn’t appear to be the case here.

  8. waiverclaim - Apr 24, 2013 at 9:20 AM

    Looks like someone just trying to pile on the Marlins here.

    • Craig Calcaterra - Apr 24, 2013 at 9:48 AM

      Don’t look at me. In this case it’s clearly Marlins players who are upset at management.

      • jimmymarlinsfan - Apr 24, 2013 at 10:23 AM

        And if the braves did this it would be organizational tact. LOL. Haters gonna hate

      • Old Gator - Apr 24, 2013 at 12:10 PM

        LOL indeed. You keep amusing yourself like that, your palms will get hairy.

  9. blingslade - Apr 24, 2013 at 9:21 AM

    Gr8, it’s the pitchers who decide what game they start. What’s next, the platoon players set the lineup for the manager?

    • jcmeyer10 - Apr 24, 2013 at 9:56 AM

      Or players calling themselves up. This could be the most interesting story line of the Marlins season.

      • Old Gator - Apr 24, 2013 at 10:15 AM

        That would really subvert the Chihuahua’s favorite style of meddling – he is renowned (and widely detested) for threatening players who displease him with demotion, especially the younger guys. He probably thinks he’s a rottweiler. Chihuahua: you better kiss my ass or you’ll get sent down. Rookie: go fuck yourself, elf. Tis a scenario to be fantasized and savoured.

  10. danielponce - Apr 24, 2013 at 9:22 AM

    the marlins used their gray jerseys like 3 times last year and have yet to wear them this season. i was hoping a day night double header would bring them out ecause i relly like them, but they wore their usual road blacks for the first game and then orange for game 2. o well. at least they havent worn their orange hats yet.

    • Old Gator - Apr 24, 2013 at 10:16 AM

      Did you once belong to that society of color worshiping mystics from A Mighty Wind?

  11. ptfu - Apr 24, 2013 at 9:27 AM

    I’ll bet this move was also hard on the rookie Jose Fernandez. You’d think a team would want to provide stability to a kid making his fourth major league start. But no, it was more important to suddenly disrupt & compress his pregame routine of stretching, watching video, meditating, eating chicken a la Wade Boggs, or whatever. “Hey, you’re pitching in 2 hours instead of in 6+.” That sudden thought of “oh crap I have to hurry up” doesn’t help.

    Yeah, let’s mess with a rookie starter’s routine at the last minute, in near-freezing conditions on the road. He’ll be fine.

    • Old Gator - Apr 24, 2013 at 12:09 PM

      What’s the problem? That approach worked great for Andrew Miller.

  12. cowboysoldiertx - Apr 24, 2013 at 9:36 AM

    Seems petty to me but who am I to judge.

  13. Old Gator - Apr 24, 2013 at 9:39 AM

    Reecky needs to shut up and do his job. The guy writes your paycheck, you give him what he wants and just be grateful that you’re not his secretary.

    (I admit – I wrote that because the Feesh bought me off with a couple of free teeckets.)

    • jcmeyer10 - Apr 24, 2013 at 9:57 AM

      At least you are honest enough to disclose any potential conflicts of interest.

      • Old Gator - Apr 24, 2013 at 10:18 AM

        I have no conflicts of interest. I practice Kolinhar every time someone tries to corrupt me. It works.

    • historiophiliac - Apr 24, 2013 at 10:15 AM

      Quick! OG has been bitten by something and he’s delirious!!!! Help! Help!

    • ltzep75 - Apr 24, 2013 at 10:38 AM

      Everyone has a price. I’m surprised, however, that yours is so low. I would think watching that product provides negative value.

      • Old Gator - Apr 24, 2013 at 11:59 AM

        It does. That’s why I was willing to be bought for so leetle.

      • Old Gator - Apr 24, 2013 at 12:45 PM

        Oh and incidentally – da wife and I just received our absentee ballots for the resolution passed by our ever corrupt and clueless county commission for using millions of dollars of public funds to “modernize” Joeprodolsharklife Stadium. We immediately filled in the “AGAINST” proposed use of funds and put ‘em back in the mail.

        If you live in Macondo, here’s what to do:

        Vote early.

        Vote often.

        Vote NO.

      • ltzep75 - Apr 24, 2013 at 1:31 PM

        At least you’ll feel good about yourself when the matter inextricably passes amidst public outcry.

        The subpoenas, however, will likely feel oh so good. Your county will still be under a Birmingham sized mountain of debt, but again, at least you can feel good.

  14. Innocent Bystander - Apr 24, 2013 at 10:05 AM

    Somewhere Dallas Braden died a little.

  15. hasbeen5 - Apr 24, 2013 at 10:24 AM

    You’d think the extra run support and his first W of the season might make his butt hurt less.

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