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The Blue Jays had a players-only meeting to deal with the “bad vibes”

Apr 29, 2013, 3:00 PM EDT

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Bill Madden of the Daily News reports that the Blue Jays, off to an awful start, held a players-only, closed-door meeting yesterday

DeRosa would later call a players-only meeting to reiterate a lot of what beleaguered Blue Jay manager John Gibbons said to the media the day before … “There’s just a bad vibe creeping in here and we need to address it,” DeRosa said. “It’s just weird after spring training when we had a swagger about us.”

Maybe coming in to the season with “swagger” before you accomplished anything has something to do with the problems. Who knows!

In other news, Andy Martino catches up with R.A. Dickey who has a lot to say about the weird fascination the Mets and some of their fans still seem to have with him. He’s out the door and long gone, but for some reason he’s still a divisive figure in Queens. This is what happens to baseball players when they have the gall to have opinions about things I suppose.

One opinion Dickey shared with Martino is questionable, however:

“It has obviously been incredibly disappointing for everybody,” Dickey said.  “The beauty of baseball is that it’s just one month and we’ve got five left. So there’s still time.

Go ask Jay Jaffe about that. He looks at teams who have started as poorly as the Jays have in the wild card era. And the results are something less than encouraging.

  1. schlemealsschlimazel - Apr 29, 2013 at 3:08 PM

    The meeting was going well – it was productive and everybody was cordial – until Colby Rasmus’ hair told Jose Bautista’s beard that he felt he “wasn’t giving it 100%”.

    It was at that point that Jose Bautista’s beard flipped a table, took a shot of Jack, and shoved John Gibbons to the ground before storming out of the locker room. It was an ugly scene. Look for things to get worse for the Jay’s before they get better.

  2. okwhitefalcon - Apr 29, 2013 at 3:10 PM

    Not giving Raz his required daily dose of chili dogs and Skittles has without question contributed to the ‘bad vibe”.

    Toronto’s may indeed be “paying the price of Malachi”…

  3. shaggylocks - Apr 29, 2013 at 3:12 PM

    The 2013 Jays are meeting to determine if they accidentally shared a soda or something with the 2012 Red Sox. Careful, fellas, and remember to always wash your hands!

  4. randygnyc - Apr 29, 2013 at 3:16 PM

    When you assemble a bunch of proven failures together and expect success, you’re a fool. Add to that, paying a shortstop essentially $40 million per year (Reyes makes $20 million per 81 games he actually plays) for the next 8 years will be impossible to correct. Hard to believe the Marlins fleeced the Jays so thoroughly. You know it’s bad when the transcendent prince of light, RA Dickey starts whining to the press about everything under the sun, that the cancer has already metastasized within that organization. They don’t need no meetings, they need chemo.

    • okwhitefalcon - Apr 29, 2013 at 3:19 PM

      “They don’t need no meetings, they need chemo.”

      Easily one of the best lines in HBT history.

      Well played randygnyc, well played.

    • tuberippin - Apr 29, 2013 at 4:30 PM

      lmao. It’s April, and you’re already calling this trade a “fleecing” by the Marlins? This isn’t AJ Pierzynski for Francisco Liriano, Boof Bonser and Joe Nathan. It’s not an immediate win for either team. Evaluating a trade generally takes some time.

      But I like that you’re at least expressing an opinion, rather than that moron dirtyharry1971 who just spams the same couple sentences over and over. To that end, your oppositional opinion is much appreciated.

    • thebadguyswon - Apr 29, 2013 at 4:46 PM

      Watching that Reyes injury leaves me relieved the Mets didn’t sign him. Watch that slide. It was one of the stupidest decisions you’ll see a player make. He was too close to the bag to pull of a feet-first slide. He took a stupid risk and the Jays are paying for it.

  5. xpensivewinos - Apr 29, 2013 at 3:30 PM

    That sound you hear is Jeffrey Loria laughing, screaming “I told you so”

    • jimmymarlinsfan - Apr 29, 2013 at 4:42 PM


    • jcmeyer10 - Apr 29, 2013 at 8:21 PM

      There is an observed inverse relationship between Loria’s happiness and Gator’s happiness.

  6. dfh3456 - Apr 29, 2013 at 3:38 PM

    They need to shake things up, and hire Bobby V.

    • quintjs - Apr 29, 2013 at 3:49 PM

      I like the idea that Bobby V is now the punishment manager. “You guys better start winning, otherwise we will give Bobby a call”

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Apr 29, 2013 at 5:05 PM

        Ugh, imagine if the choices were A, seeing Rachel Phelps naked, or B, hiring Bobby Valentine? I’d probably take option C, and eat a bullet…

      • jcmeyer10 - Apr 29, 2013 at 8:24 PM

        Pretty soon parents will be threatening their kids with Bobby V as a babysitter.

    • cackalackyank - Apr 29, 2013 at 4:07 PM


  7. cur68 - Apr 29, 2013 at 3:42 PM

    Ha. “Bad Vibes” my ass. “Bad Play” is what it is. They stink. Stink on ice. Commit way too many errors. Strike out all the time. Seem to refuse to be walked. Don’t steal when they should steal and rely on possibly the slowest man in MLB, Henry Blanco, to chase after passed knuckle balls.

    Their big hitters are seeing nothing but breaking balls and seem hell bent on just looking at them drop across the middle of the plate for a strike. Then, when they do see a fast ball, they don’t care where it is. They hack away.

    I’m glad My Boys have the day off and can have some meetings and wallow in their sucking. Perhaps then they might discuss showing a modicum of plate discipline. Look over the percentages on pitch types coming their way. Discuss swiping bags a little more. Discuss getting Josh Thole up for RA Dickey to throw baseballs to.

    That last, regarding Thole, really burns me. Thole & RA worked well together for The Mets. He’s a more useful hitter than Blanco. Blanco cannot frame a pitch low in the zone: he catches them all in the dirt and RA never gets that called for a strike even though it’s clear from pitch track and normalized pitch spotting that they WERE strikes.

    They can talk “Bad Vibes” till they are as blue as their uniforms, but until they address their lousy decisions, no “vibe” change is going to sort this out.

    • paperlions - Apr 29, 2013 at 3:56 PM

      It’s almost like club house chemistry follows winning or losing instead of the other way around.

      • cur68 - Apr 29, 2013 at 3:58 PM

        No shit. I am entirely sick of this whole TWTW malarkey. Same animal as “bad vibes”. If you suck, SAY you suck. It aint no flippin’ vibe, man. Its terrible decision making is what it is.

    • historiophiliac - Apr 29, 2013 at 4:19 PM

      If only they also could benefit from the veterany goodness of Torii Hunter…

      Oh. 😦

      /slaps hand

    • gregbeau - Apr 29, 2013 at 4:45 PM

      Blanco caught Dickey in 2010 when they were on the Mets together, so he knows how its done. If you think Josh Thole is the answer, think again. While he may be slightly better catching Dickey than anyone else on the roster, he is such an offensive liability that he would do more harm than good. No power whatsoever. I don’t know what happened to him but he seems to have forgotten how to hit.

      While no team could possibly live up to the hype the 2013 Jays received in the off-season, I have to admit I am enjoying their struggles right now. While I have never been a fan of the team and their endless hyping by the Canadian media, seeing the bandwagon jumpers befuddled at their losing play has been highly entertaining.

      • thebadguyswon - Apr 29, 2013 at 4:53 PM

        Josh Thole is awful guys. Ask any Mets fan. He can’t hit.

      • cur68 - Apr 29, 2013 at 7:31 PM

        Several things:
        -What bandwagon? I’ve been here supporting them, hoping for better, and cheering them on from since the sucked till…now, while they suck.

        -no matter what, Thole will be an improvement over watching Henry Blanco get up slowly and lumber arthritically after a ball

        -and finally, why should I pay any attention to someone enjoying their struggles?

        Get lost

      • xavier46 - Apr 29, 2013 at 9:00 PM

        U mad bro?

    • thebadguyswon - Apr 29, 2013 at 4:51 PM

      So, so glad Sandy sold high on Dickey. He will never replicate last year and especially not in the AL. Sandy fleeced Anthopolous.

  8. realgone2 - Apr 29, 2013 at 3:47 PM


  9. hittfamily - Apr 29, 2013 at 4:06 PM

    .333 winning percentage! They shouldn’t just have players only meetings. They should play players only games. I hope John Gibbons didn’t toss out all those extra resumes when he got this job 4 months ago, because he is going to be needing them next week. Anthopolis is next. He might make it til the all star break, but the Jays will be wanting someone else to trade off the players AA traded for.

    Early prediction: Dave Martinez is the new manager next year. Mike Scioscia is the GM (a complete opposite of AA).

    • thebadguyswon - Apr 29, 2013 at 4:58 PM

      When you look at Alex Anthopoulos’ resume, it is incomprehensible why a team would give him their GM position to begin with. He simply did not have the experience. And now its becoming obvious.
      Just because a guy has an economics degree and believes in Sabermetrics, does not mean he would be a competent MLB general manager. AA is going to be out on his ear in 12 months.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Apr 29, 2013 at 5:06 PM

        and believes in Sabermetrics

        Where did this strawman come from?

      • thebadguyswon - Apr 29, 2013 at 5:13 PM

        Belief in Sabr is great. My point is AA was far from qualified.

  10. mybrunoblog - Apr 29, 2013 at 4:10 PM

    Derosa said they had “swagger”. Maybe that’s part of their problem. Swagger is defined as arrogance. Arrogant people don’t deal with adversity very well.

  11. paperlions - Apr 29, 2013 at 4:13 PM

    Could we get some comments about how John Farrell wishes he never left Toronto for Boston? Those never got old during the off-season. Not even when they were repeatedly shoe-horned into completely unrelated threads.

    • historiophiliac - Apr 29, 2013 at 4:20 PM

      That’s not a Kozma update.

      • paperlions - Apr 29, 2013 at 4:21 PM

        Kozma is not interested in playing for or managing the Blue Jays. He says tWtW is too low.

      • historiophiliac - Apr 29, 2013 at 4:30 PM

        I don’t want him to take his OK goodness to Canada.

  12. thebadguyswon - Apr 29, 2013 at 4:39 PM

    Gibbons was an awful hire. The Golden Boy Anthopulous should have realized that from how bad he was the first time.

    • Old Gator - Apr 29, 2013 at 5:25 PM

      I agree. I would have been scratching my head over that one even without the dandruff problem.

  13. jimeejohnson - Apr 29, 2013 at 8:25 PM

    Maybe it’s time for a Beach Boys concert.

  14. xavier46 - Apr 29, 2013 at 9:04 PM

    Meanwhile, proudlycanadian is somewhere waiting to troll an article on the team with the best record in the majors, the Boston Red Sox. Reports are he is holed up outside of Saskatoon eagerly awaiting the genius of AA to save the franchise.

  15. bigjimatch - Apr 29, 2013 at 9:06 PM

    I love Dickey, but he gets criticized for being divisive in NY, and now the Blue Jays have to hold a meeting to deal with “bad vibes” a month into the season. Coincidence?

  16. kw27p - Apr 29, 2013 at 10:24 PM

    Good thing the div title is won on paper, haha losers

  17. pastabelly - Apr 30, 2013 at 8:46 AM

    It is also possible that they are the worst team on the field and on paper in the AL East. They also have the worst manager in the division.

  18. scoocha - Apr 30, 2013 at 12:48 PM

    How can you win if you have 9 batters winging from their heels on every pitch? Heel Jays!

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