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By the way, the Red Sox still think the Blue Jays are cheaters, too

May 3, 2013, 1:44 PM EDT

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While Dirk Hayhurst and Jack Morris have chimed in, none of this “Clay Buchholz is cheating” talk is coming from Blue Jays players or management. And it probably won’t. The Blue Jays don’t want to go accusing someone of cheating and then have their own dirty laundry aired.

The Red Sox, for instance, still seem to think the Blue Jays are stealing signs in Rogers Centre games. This was something that first came up a couple of years ago and eventually spurred an ESPN Outside the Lines investigation that found four players willing to say they’ve witnessed someone in the center-field stands relaying signs to hitters. Orioles starter Jason Hammel said last year that he thought something shady was going on.

Of course, the 2013 Red Sox, more than any other team in baseball, know exactly what was going on with the Blue Jays in 2011-12, given that they now employ Toronto’s former manager, John Farrell, and third-base coach, Brian Butterfield. And while those two haven’t spoken up about anything like sign stealing, they’ve continued to employ the method the Red Sox first used in 2011 of having the catcher give multiple signs to the pitcher with no one on base. It’s something they’d have absolutely no reason to do unless they thought someone in the field of view — such as behind the center-field wall — was watching.

  1. proudlycanadian - May 3, 2013 at 1:52 PM

    No former Blue Jay player has ever said that the Blue Jays are stealing signs from the outfield. There are many former Blue Jays still in baseball and none of them has said anything. Butterfield, on the other hand, taught the Blue Jays how to steal signs while they were on the field or in the dugout. End of story.

    • DelawarePhilliesFan - May 3, 2013 at 1:56 PM

      heh-heh – I knew you would be first to reply 😉

    • Matthew Pouliot - May 3, 2013 at 1:57 PM

      Not to say you don’t have a point, but Jose Canseco excluded, no former anyone accuses anyone of anything in MLB.

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - May 3, 2013 at 2:07 PM

        Except Billy Wagner, who said Pat Burrell called him a rat :)

    • badintent - May 3, 2013 at 8:53 PM

      Veron Wells Stole over $100 milion from the Jays and Angels. It ‘s called his paycheck.

  2. clchic99 - May 3, 2013 at 1:57 PM

    This is the second time you’ve called him “Dick” Hayhurst. Either you don’t care enough to review your writing before you post it (and correct a mistake that someone pointed out in your last post on this subject) or you really dislike the guy. I’m inclined to believe the former, but who knows? Maybe Hayhurst is a dipwad who deserves to be called “Dick.” I know I’m one.

    • Matthew Pouliot - May 3, 2013 at 2:01 PM

      Ugh, Just a blindspot. I’m still convinced his name is Dick. The lower case ‘r’ even looks close enough to ‘c.’

      • stjamesgate - May 3, 2013 at 5:30 PM

        Dirk Hayhurst? Wasn’t that Mark Wahlberg’s character in Boogie Nights?

      • dirtyharry1971 - May 4, 2013 at 2:53 AM

        sure your name isnt dick? You delete posts as if that was your name

  3. dowhatifeellike - May 3, 2013 at 2:06 PM

    If Toronto has been stealing signs this long then why are they still bad? The evidence doesn’t match the accusation.

    Buchholz, on the other hand, is having a great year so far so at least the accusation makes sense.

    • stratomaticfan - May 3, 2013 at 3:44 PM

      If you have mediocre talent, all the sign stealing in the world won’t win you a Championship. But doesn’t mean they’re not doing it.

  4. heyblueyoustink - May 3, 2013 at 2:15 PM

    I they’re cheating, they’re not doing a very good job.

  5. jbeagles23 - May 3, 2013 at 2:30 PM

    How can you steal signs at Rogers centre when there’s no seats to straight away center? Got telescopes that can see right through the catchers leg like an X-ray? Clay on the other hand might be in hot water because if he now goes to his regur self it will become clear he’s been juicing he ball

    • Francisco (FC) - May 3, 2013 at 5:00 PM

      Well there may be no seats but there are some excellent rooms at the Hotel.

  6. djpostl - May 3, 2013 at 2:40 PM

    They aren’t losing because of their offense most nights. It’s because their starters ERA is around 6.00.

    Their offense isn’t nearly as beastly as it was assumed to be, but then again, they still have time to heat up.

    Bautista and Arencibia are putting up much better power numbers at home while the rest of team sees really little difference in their splits.

    BUT..that is in this seasons small sample size.

    Historically the Jays have seemed to have a significant advantage in their home park, well chronicled here ===>

  7. rdanie29 - May 3, 2013 at 2:43 PM

    OK, go to your neighborhood mall, have your buddy stand 400 feet away, and try to figure out what he is signaling to you and then hit a pitch thrown from ANY pitcher in the 3 seconds it takes from when a pitcher recieves a sign to the time he throws the pitch. It is really more farfetched than it seems.

  8. gerryb323 - May 3, 2013 at 3:41 PM

    Morris and Dirk got on Tazawa last night about it also. I think from here on out, every pitcher facing the Jays should start rubbing their forearm. It’ll really get em good!

  9. jaysjunkie - May 3, 2013 at 6:12 PM

    I’ll be looking for the guys in the white shirts at tonight’s game.

    The mileage this ridiculous subject has gotten is incredible.

  10. badintent - May 3, 2013 at 8:57 PM

    I’m watching the game, Jays losing 4-0. But I did see some little green men and I did stay at a Holiday Inn.

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