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The Phillies are not giving up on Giancarlo Stanton

May 3, 2013, 9:59 AM EDT

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Jim Salisbury of writes that the Phillies have made “multiple inquiries” about the availability of Giancarlo Stanton and have let the Marlins know that if and when he does go on the block, they want to be the first ones called.

Which, great, but given that the Phillies’ farm system is thin on blue chippers and the Marlins may not want to see Stanton 19 times a year for the next several years, I’m having a hard time seeing that ever going down, even if he does become available.

That aside, Salisbury previews what a coming Phillies fire sale could look like in the likely condition that they are out of contention come July.

  1. jarathen - May 3, 2013 at 10:06 AM

    Lots of Phillies and Angels should be on the block this summer.

    • baseballicious - May 3, 2013 at 10:47 AM

      Nope on the Angels. If they’re still playing like this in a month then maybe…but not just yet.

  2. votefordelmon - May 3, 2013 at 10:08 AM

    Phillies could trade their all star RF for Giancarlo Stanton. I GUESS I’d be ok with that…though I would still vote for him for the all star game.

    • historiophiliac - May 3, 2013 at 10:29 AM

      I voted for you!

  3. paperlions - May 3, 2013 at 10:12 AM

    “thin on blue chippers” is a pretty generous characterization….right now they are thin on guys that profile of average major leaguers.

    • snowbirdgothic - May 3, 2013 at 10:46 AM

      But…but Roman Quinn! Or something.

    • evanwins - May 3, 2013 at 11:39 AM

      Lee could fetch back “blue chippers” which they could flip for Stanton.

      You are not a GM.

      • djpostl - May 3, 2013 at 12:10 PM

        Keep dreaming Skippy. Lee, as good as he is, won’t fetch back abut a fraction of what you’d need.

      • paperlions - May 3, 2013 at 12:11 PM

        The only way Lee could fetch any prospects of note would be if Philly paid most of his remaining salary. Teams generally don’t pay for players twice….so if a team is already paying his full value in dollars…they aren’t going to pay his full value in prospects as well.

        You are right. I am not a GM, you? Your thoughts on Lee’s trade value are based on you having so much experience as a GM? All you have to do is pay attention to trades and how teams value assets…very few teams will pay for players in both dollars and prospects, when one of those teams is trying to trade for prospects…they’ll likely find it hard to get what they expect when unloading expensive players.

      • delsj - May 3, 2013 at 12:28 PM

        Then again, neither is Ruben.

  4. Francisco (FC) - May 3, 2013 at 10:12 AM

    Yeah, I’m not sure WHAT they think they could give in return that would be worth Stanton, it ain’t 2009 anymore Jim. The real point being many other teams can top anything the Phillies can offer.

    • historiophiliac - May 3, 2013 at 10:32 AM

      I think you’re assuming that Loria doesn’t just view trades as a way to troll his fan base. It has to be just the right one though. Subtle with a burn when he claims plausible baseball judgment.

      • paperlions - May 3, 2013 at 12:13 PM

        As bad as Loria is, on baseball merits, I still think they did good in the deal with Toronto….the Jays took on all the salary and also gave up some nice prospects….one of the few teams that is still willing to pay twice for players.

      • historiophiliac - May 3, 2013 at 12:19 PM

        You’re going to have to apologize to Jays fans if you keep that up.

        Do you have a Kozma jersey yet?

      • paperlions - May 3, 2013 at 1:03 PM

        Yep, home, road, and the snazzy new Saturday Home jersey.

      • historiophiliac - May 3, 2013 at 1:06 PM

        Awwwww. Warm fuzzies.

        BTW, a dude at work tells me the noodling is illegal in MO.

      • paperlions - May 3, 2013 at 1:08 PM

        Might be…it isn’t legal in very many states….for some reason. The family of my best friend growing up was from the Ozarks, and we always went down there to hunt and fish….people there noodled…but they didn’t do it in the summer for catfish, they did it from a boat, in the winter, for Pike and bass…which is distinctly very illegal.

      • historiophiliac - May 3, 2013 at 1:44 PM

        Yet, I picture you as being so law abiding.

      • paperlions - May 3, 2013 at 1:46 PM

        When it comes to fishing and hunting (and, actually, most aspects of life), I am….the consequences of getting caught just aren’t worth the payoff.

      • historiophiliac - May 3, 2013 at 1:53 PM

        So, fishing this weekend?

      • paperlions - May 3, 2013 at 1:55 PM

        Nope. We got no water in the rivers…right now, they are at levels that would be low for late August. Trout fishing sucks when the water is low and slow.

        Hiking, yard work/play.

      • historiophiliac - May 3, 2013 at 1:56 PM

        I didn’t realize you could fly fish out there. Sounds like a decent weekend.

      • paperlions - May 3, 2013 at 1:57 PM

        Yep, all trout streams (well, and oceans, and the CT river). I cross 3 trout streams on my 10.5 mile drive from home to work.

  5. DelawarePhilliesFan - May 3, 2013 at 10:13 AM

    It is a Mystery how any Team would be able to land him.

    But snarkyness aside, just throwing out a hypothetical – what if the Phillies trade, say Cliff Lee, and the Marlins pull a Mike Piazza and trade him 8 days later? Or just some sorta straight up 3 team deal? Not saying it is goign to happen, but at the same time, either Jim Salisbury is flat out wrong (no way), or someone is trying to be creative here.

    Not saying it will happen, just saying it does not have to be Phillies Prospects to the Marlins for this to happen

    • Francisco (FC) - May 3, 2013 at 10:19 AM

      That is an interesting point. That requires a few things though:

      1) That said team really wants Lee and not Stanton, otherwise just cut out the middleman (Phillies) and deal with the Marlins yourself.

      2) Whatever you get for Lee WON’T be enough to land Stanton. So trading Lee only gets you PART of what you need to get Stanton. So either the trade adds chips to make a nicer offer with your own pile, or you’ll have to trade more stuff to get the necessary assets.

      • Kevin S. - May 3, 2013 at 10:24 AM

        Or you eat a whole lot of Lee’s contract. Teams would give up a haul to get Lee at $5million/year.

      • Francisco (FC) - May 3, 2013 at 10:27 AM

        The problem is I’m not sure the Phillies can afford to eat enough of Lee’s Salary to make it THAT worthwhile. It’s a balancing act.

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - May 3, 2013 at 10:37 AM

        Right, but don’t myopically focus on Lee – my point was that a deal could happen that did not involve Phillies Prospects, OR players the Marlins would want to keep. Again, not sayign it will happen, in fact I doubt it will. Just saying that if in fact Salisbury is correct, my guess is that the packages the Phillies are trying to offer do not involve minor leageurs

      • evanwins - May 3, 2013 at 11:03 AM

        There are not going to be any pitchers of Lee’s caliber available in FA until at least 2015 so I believe his value is higher than most people think. 2014’s top FA SP is Josh Johnson, so that should tell you a lot about 2014. 2015 has Clayton Kershaw, who I am quite sure will sign an extension by then and then not a whole lot: Gallardo, Masterson, Sherzer, Bailey and Cueto top the list.

        So money won’t buy you a quality starter like Lee anytime soon.

        GM’s take this kind of information into consideration.

        The Phillies also have very good pitching prospects (Biddle, Morgan, Martin) and Darin Ruf, who profiles very similar to Stanton.

      • Francisco (FC) - May 3, 2013 at 11:04 AM

        Well in that case we’ve already given the Marlins Juan Pierre, Placido Polanco and Greg Dobbs. We also took Ross Gload off their hands. Not sure what more can be done.

      • evanwins - May 3, 2013 at 11:15 AM

        The Phillies may have a lot of problems but money isn’t among them. I know you love to hate the Phillies but try to stick to the truth.

        And they’re about to get even richer via a new TV deal. Soon Major League Baseball will be our farm system and we’ll just buy what we want. {insert evil laugh}

      • Francisco (FC) - May 3, 2013 at 11:25 AM

        There you go again, putting words in other people’s statements and making assumptions. What part of this:

        The problem is I’m not sure the Phillies can afford to eat enough of Lee’s Salary to make it THAT worthwhile

        Is some kind of statement saying the Phillies are broke? I expressed uncertainty as to the financial capability to trade Lee and offer significant salary relief in return for significant prospects. Maybe the TV deal will give them significant flexibility, we’ll have to wait till 2015 to know, but by then Stanton is probably in a new uniform already.

        I don’t hate on the Phillies, I’m a Phillies fan, but don’t let that distort your worldview or change the narrative you try to weave. Just because I take more realistic positions on the condition of the team rather than gush on everything Phillies doesn’t make me a hater. You just can’t take criticism or contrary opinions.

        For example: Darin Ruf in no way shapre or form profiles similar to Stanton. Stanton is an outfielder and accomplished slugger. Ruf is a career minor league 1B who’s found some mojo but for which the Jury is still out on whether he can make a transition to LF and consistently hit MLB pitching.

      • evanwins - May 3, 2013 at 12:14 PM

        So Ruf in no way shape or form profiles like Stanton because they play different positions and Ruf hasn’t been brought up yet?D Do you know what “profiles like” means?

        And his 5 seasons (exactly the same time Stanton spent) in the Minors makes him a “career minor leaguer”?

        Here’s both of their 5 year minor league stat lines:
        Ruf: .303/.389/.519 with 71 HRs and 298 RBI’s
        Stanton:.275/.368/.572 with 91 HR’s and 249 RBI’s

        Yeah, they’re in no way similar at all. In no way, shape or form.

        And I misconstrued you regarding money when you said the Phillies couldn’t afford something? Usually when you say that someone can’t afford something you’re talking about how much money they have, no?

        How wrong can you be? Are you trying to set a record or something?

        Wasn’t it you who said Betancourt wouldn’t do anything to help whatever team he was going to?

        And didn’t you also say that Wells was a complete waste and wouldn’t help the Yankees at all?

        You don’t seem to know too much about baseball man, maybe you should try tennis?

      • paperlions - May 3, 2013 at 1:12 PM

        Holy hell….Ruf = Stanton? That is the funniest damn thing I’ve read all day. Stanton is 3.5 years YOUNGER than Ruf and has 1549 MORE MLB plate appearances than Ruf. If you really don’t understand how age relates to MiLB performance and projection…well, you should try to understand it.

        Ruf has approximately no trade value because he is almost 27 and can’t play adequate defense anywhere on the diamond.

      • Francisco (FC) - May 3, 2013 at 1:44 PM

        Oh boy you don’t give up do you?

        Not only are Ruf and Stanton different in positions, they differ greatly by age, defensive ability and future potential performance. Hitting stats (especially those that include RBIs) on what they did in the minor leagues is not my definition of a profile, It may be yours but not mine. You also don’t include defense in your stats, that to me is important. And yes, if you have spent 80% or more of your time in the minor leagues and you’re already 26 year old, you’re a minor leaguer not some prospect commodity. Now, it’s possible Ruf is a late bloomer, but he has to prove it first. He’s not on Stanton’s level.

        There are plenty of examples of minor league hitters mashing the ball and failing to do anything at MLB. If all you’re going to do is compare MiLB slash lines of Avg, HR and RBI you’re going to get a LOT of players who “profile” similarly. That’s a fairly useless profile.

        And I misconstrued you regarding money when you said the Phillies couldn’t afford something? Usually when you say that someone can’t afford something you’re talking about how much money they have, no?

        Where did I use the word “can’t” or “couldn’t”? Check above and find it. Your reading skills need improvement. I said I wasn’t sure. That’s uncertainty. Maybe Ruben can juggle the budget to make it worthwhile or maybe he can’t, hence my reference to a balancing act. It depends on the nature of the trade, how much money would the trading team want and what’s being offered in return.That’s FAR from a definitive statement affirming lack of money. Until you recognize this distinction there’s no point in continuing to correct your perception.

        Speaking of which: you’re confusing me with paperlions. I believe he’s the one you had arguments with over Betancourt helping other teams and he was the one trading chit-chat with the other Yankees regulars when Wells signed with that team about how Wells would be an anchor or something.

        But hey You’re NEVER wrong about anything right? And you constantly have to point out how wrong EVERYONE else is? What would we do without you?

        My personal opinion on Wells and Betancourt? I would not have traded for Wells in the off-season nor kept Betancourt during ST even knowing that they have out-performed everyone’s expectations so far. They’re simply not a good fit for Philly because neither one is a long-term solution to what ails them. We’re not talking about adding a complementary piece to a playoff caliber team. They are transitioning between an old core and younger replacements. They need to find more capable younger replacements. Not keep plugging in gaps with older players, REGARDLESS of how good they seem to be doing right now.

        The time to sign or trade for the Betancourts and Wells of MLB is at the deadline when you know if the core is contending or not and you’ve had half of season’s worth of performance to gauge how well will they hold out come September and October. Remember when Placido Polanco had a fantastic April a couple of years ago? That didn’t end well so it’s too early to say what these two will accomplish.

      • paperlions - May 3, 2013 at 2:18 PM

        Yeah, that was me. Betancourt is awesome. He was great last night going 0-4 with a pair of Ks with runners in scoring position. He’s hit some HRs this year, but he has a .302 OBP, which is pretty typical for him. I’ll be surprised if he finishes with an OBP north of .300 this year.

      • evanwins - May 3, 2013 at 2:53 PM

        Paperlions is not only stupid, he can’t read.

        Who said Stanton=Ruf? I said profiles like and if someone has to explain to you what that means then you are even dumber than I could imagine.

        You are also someone who is wrong about practically EVERYTHING you say on here. It’s all in writing but you can’t read, or at least you can’t comprehend what you read so why bother.

        Really, you and Francisco are so wrong so often you’d think you’d wise up and quit typing. There is really nothing worse than your combination of ignorance and confidence. No matter how often you are wrong you still insist you’re knowledgeable. Unbelievable.

      • Francisco (FC) - May 3, 2013 at 3:56 PM

        And we reach the inevitable end point of these little rants. Once confronted with the evidence he resorts to name-calling and ad-hominem attacks. Notice paper, how after I pretty much pointed out that in his glee to tar and feather me about Wells and Betancourt he mistook me for you and never bothered to acknowledge his error? Oops!

        That said the end result is completely unnecessary. It’s obvious he has a different definition of “profile” and that’s fine, if the hitting slash, HR and RBIs is what you need to compare minor league stats more power to you. I don’t subscribe to it (and it’s certainly a poor way to evaluate talent without taking into account something basic as defense and player position value) but because he does, it’s the Right One and You Are Wrong to Think Differently.

      • evanwins - May 3, 2013 at 4:24 PM

        You know what, I apologize to both you and paperlions. I’m sorry. I hadnled myself poorly and I apologize.

        I think Lee has more trade value than Stanton. I base that off of the market.

        I think the Phillies could put a package together to be competitive in a Stanton deal. I base this off of having some depth of SP prospects.

        And I think Ruf can be as good a player as Stanton some day. I base this off of what he has done (Ruf) in his development. He has been asked to move positions which hurts him defensively, but with practice he could be a good LF. And I didn’t take defense into consideration because I assume no one is going to trade for Stanton becasue of his defensive ability. But maybe you are right and that’s what they want.

        And if you need a personal separate apology for mistaking you as paper lions, then I am sorry for that as well.

      • Francisco (FC) - May 3, 2013 at 4:51 PM

        Well I apologize if I came off as excessively snarky. I definitely do my best to avoid calling anybody names but snark can easily devolve into a condescending tone (which happened above to ALL three of us but I can only apologize on my behalf).

        While I don’t share your definition of profiling I can see why you lean more in favor of the offensive attributes of an outfielder. It’s true the corner outfield positions are the least in defensive value on the diamond, but you need some competent defense at the very least or the extra production might come to naught. I keenly remember Raul Ibanez taking odd routes and not reaching balls in left field that fall for hits in tight games too many times to ignore defense completely. I don’t share your optimism that Ruf will become a quality MLB slugger like Stanton but it might be happen. Of course it won’t be at the same level because Stanton is nearly four years younger, that means that Ruf has less time to reach that kind of level and will decline more rapidly if he does. In my definition, that lack of time means you won’t be able to get the same potential production out of him than you can get out of Stanton, that’s why to me, they don’t profile the same even if I assume Ruf can match Stantons skills one day. Assuming the best Ruf might be able to give 3 great seasons. Stanton has the potential to give you 7 or more. Of course Baseball is weird and there’s no telling if Stanton breaks down or Ruf breaks out.

        Regarding Lee, the big thing is the price tag. If you’re right and the Phillies can eat most of his salary that improves a potential prospect haul. I’m not sure they can but that’s not the same as saying they can’t. Ruben has often pulled rabbits out of his hat when he’s determined to get a certain player. Stanton is under team control which increases his value, which is why in any trade the Marlins will want similar kind of player pieces.

        Now do I want Stanton in my lineup considering the price? I don’t know, if it cost the Phillies their remaining good arms. Developing good starters takes time and while once upon a time the Phillies could afford to part with May and Colvin, I think they need to hold on to Biddle.

    • djpostl - May 3, 2013 at 12:14 PM

      Lee wouldn’t bring back anywhere near what Stanton would so it’d be pointless to make that trade from Marlins end.

      Unless the Phillies traded other guys (who? Hamels? Not happening. Howard? No one wants him or his deal) to land some blue chippers to toss in with Lee there is no incentive.

      Phillies can (and should) keep trying but the deck is stacked against them.

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - May 3, 2013 at 12:22 PM

        Cliff Lee was an example, not a strategy I was recomending.

        I think “Don’t call me Mike” Stanton is staying put.

      • evanwins - May 3, 2013 at 12:29 PM

        Why wouldn’t Lee bring back anything near what Stanton would? A Cy Young caliber pitcher with a comparably great contract? Do you think teams don’t want that? Do you realize how few SP’s are going to hit free agency in the next 2-3 years?

        Do you take the laws of supply and demand into your equation? By my calculations a pitcher like Lee won’t be available at all while there will be plenty of Stanton like players (power, average, run producers) on the market as early as next year which would make Lee’s value higher than Stantons. ANd pitching is always valued over hitting.

        And oh yeah, he’s got an injury that typically nags players for a full season and if it turns out to be a Grade III strain he will be out all season.

        So tell me why you think Lee won’t bring back anywhere near what Stanton will.

      • evanwins - May 3, 2013 at 3:03 PM

        No answer to the above? Just like to say things for the sake of saying them and then when you’re called out on it just hide like a rat with your tail between your legs?

        Any of the genius’s on here want to explain to me how Lee doesn’t have as much value as Stanton? A high quality pitcher in a strong pitching market vs. an injured-twice-already-this-season-currently-on-the-DL-til-June slugger in an fairly weak market?

      • kiwicricket - May 3, 2013 at 6:03 PM

        Skippy….Firstly, do rats really run off and hide with their tail between their legs? Dogs perhaps?
        Lee is basically owed $100M for the next 4 yrs, his final year being age 37.

        Stanton is in his early 20s and is getting paid what Lee spends on underwear per year.

        Do you see the difference? One has value because hes very good, young and cheap…the other is contractually bound to be paid the GDP of a small Pacific Island nation until he’s 37.

  6. kcrobert10 - May 3, 2013 at 10:14 AM

    If they are going to trade him anywhere it should be kc. We have the bluechip minor leg guys they want and it would make us a serious contender.

    • randall351 - May 3, 2013 at 10:26 AM

      I completely agree, if we get a proven slugger like him to go with the rest of our team we would be sitting pretty the next few years. Just imagine running Stanton out there instead of Francouer. I’d be OK giving up Hosmer, or hell even Moose for him, and at this point I’m ready to sell on Bubba seeing as I don’t think he’ll make it to the bigs anyway, I’m thinking there are plenty of prospects we would be able to give up for him. The problem is going to be convincing the Marlins that they should get rid of him.

      • kcrobert10 - May 3, 2013 at 12:09 PM

        Do think you have to give up moose or hosmer. Don’t think they would want them anyway. They should trade him this and get max value. Every yr after this one his value drops. I think he could be had for starling, Zimmer, Ventura, mondesi. That’s a lot but for three years of his services in this young line up and shields the next 2 yrs gives a liget shot at ws titles.

  7. paperlions - May 3, 2013 at 10:14 AM

    Of course, the phillies could be thinking, “If Martin Prado and a poo poo platter can land Upton, then we have a shot at landing Stanton”, which is a perfectly reasonable comparison.

  8. Old Gator - May 3, 2013 at 10:31 AM

    I think it’s terrible manners to discuss trading a guy when he’s stuck at home with his leg up on a cushion and a beer in his hand.

    • Old Gator - May 3, 2013 at 10:35 AM

      Speaking of which, while I was waiting for the Cowboy Junkies concert from Yoshi’s I did a little poking around on YouTube and came across this beautiful tone poem on the subject of the Iron Giant’s recent restitution to the DL, and to the laborious process of rehabilitation that he faces before they row him back out to the baseball equivalent of the Costa Concordia to resume his deck duties:

    • indaburg - May 3, 2013 at 1:13 PM

      Tell that to cur, please.

  9. echech88 - May 3, 2013 at 10:34 AM

    Sure, and the Angels would love David Price should he become available. Doesn’t mean they have anything remotely desirable in their farm either.

  10. baseballicious - May 3, 2013 at 10:40 AM

    The one thing the phillies do have is money, lots and lots of money. The one thing Jeffrey Loria wants is money, lots and lots of money.

    They can also throw in Lee or Halladay and continue to pay for their salaries, much like Texas did with A-fraud when he first went to the Yankees.

    They have that 1B kid, forget his name (he hit like 20 bombs last year) *just googled it,* Darin Ruf –—001dar

    If they want Stanton, Mayberry and Brown become expendable. However I doubt the Phillies would give up Brown or that the Marlins want Mayberry. *You never know with the Marlins, though*

    • thebadguyswon - May 3, 2013 at 10:54 AM

      Sorry guys…..they aren’t taking anything but elite, young prospects, which you don’t have.

      • evanwins - May 3, 2013 at 11:07 AM

        You don’t have to be sorry. What you think means nothing so who cares what you say.

        Personally I don’t think the Phillies should trade for Stanton anyway.

      • thebadguyswon - May 3, 2013 at 11:16 AM

        OOoooo…..little bitter about that crappy farm, huh?

      • evanwins - May 3, 2013 at 11:57 AM

        Not bitter about our farm at all. Really I don’t care who rates any farm because these people are wrong more than the media that covers the Majors. I can name 20 sure thing blue chip prospects in the last 5 years that went nowhere and there are plenty of MKB stars who were never highly touted prospects.

        In fact, over the past few years the Phillies have traded away top prospect after top prospect and not a one has turned into anything. Here’s a list of 2007;s top prospects:
        Half never made it to the Majors, Delmon Young is # 3, Cameron Maybin is # 6. The people who make these predictions are as bad as Umps at their job.

        And I apologize if I came off like a dick. My point is that teams don’t go by who gets rated where they have their own departments to see what’s what and that if the Phillies really wanted to Stanton they could find a way to do it.

        I hope they don’t. Stanton won’t fix the Phillies and they need to be smarter about ANY move they make.

      • thebadguyswon - May 4, 2013 at 11:49 AM

        No problems. I wish the Mets could get him, but I know their farm isnt good enough either.

  11. asp4ever47 - May 3, 2013 at 10:59 AM

    1) Why would the Marlins even want Lee? He is up there in age and isn’t going to make a different for them one way or the other.

    2) Doesn’t Lee have a no trade clause? Or at least a limited no trade clause? And I’m sure the Marlins would be on it?

    3) The Marlins are probably going to want YOUNG talent that will be on their team for the years to come. How much juice does Lee even have left in his tank?

    Doesn’t make sense to me at all…

    If Stanton gets dealt, its gonna be be young talent that is A. Cheap and B: they have control over for the next few years.

    • evanwins - May 3, 2013 at 11:05 AM

      He proposed a 3 team trade which means… you know what, forget it. It’s not worth explaining to you.

    • Francisco (FC) - May 3, 2013 at 11:14 AM

      The discussion involving Lee is not that he would end up with the Marlins, but that he would be traded for other attractive pieces in a deal.

  12. illcomm - May 3, 2013 at 11:28 AM

    galvis Brown and Kendrick for Stanton

  13. hisgirlgotburrelled - May 3, 2013 at 11:31 AM

    I just find it hard believe the Marlins could ever feel they got value in a trade for a stud that’s 23 and a already in the majors. The Marlins don’t want vets. ‘Hey, give us this 23 year old power hitter, we’ll give you a bunch of 23 year old minor leaguers.’

    I don’t think any team has enough to get Stanton. There would need to be a 3rd team involved for the Marlins to get enough compensation, i.e. Phillies get Stanton, send Lee to the Rangers, Biddle to the Marlins, and the Rangers send Olt to the Marlins (just an example of moving parts, not actual trade proposal).

  14. Old Gator - May 3, 2013 at 11:47 AM

    Why not send the Iron Giant to the Feather Lice until he comes off the disabled list?

  15. Walk - May 3, 2013 at 11:49 AM

    Philly also needs to be comfortable with whatever they give up only getting Stanton through his team controlled years. I have seen it repeated in several stories that he wants to go out west as soon as he can. Only other way is to show him the money, and even that might not work.

    • Old Gator - May 3, 2013 at 1:33 PM

      Probably wouldn’t. The Iron Giant is very proud of his California roots, thinks it’s important to be near friends and family, likes where he grew up and wants to stay close to it. I’m sure he realizes that if he can find a way to stay healthy and play up to his potential, he can draw the same Brobdingnagian offers in California that he can anywhere else.

      • Old Gator - May 3, 2013 at 1:35 PM

        PS – and by the time his incarceration in Scrooge McLoria’s stalag-by-the-wrong-bay mercifully ends, he’ll be twice as eager to fill in the space between himself and the sunset side with as much distance as possible.

  16. xmatt0926x - May 3, 2013 at 1:19 PM

    Does anyone else feel Stanton is somewhat overrated? I do. I admit I have never been a big fan of guys that were just sluggers but generally poor hitters. I just see a guy who will have some real good HR years but at the end of the day appears to be a .255 hitter with 35 HR’s and 100 RBI and boatloads of strikeouts. Don’t get me wrong. I’d take him, of course. It’s not that I don’t think he is a very good player but I think you can be very good and still be overrated. Especially when your talking about giving up the farm for a guy like that. I think people are assuming the coming greatness of this guy and actually giving him credit already for what they think he will be. Maybe he will end up a great all around player but right now I don’t think he’s worth some blockbuster deal. The funny thing is that if the Phillies miraculously landed this guy all the Phillies haters would say the exact same thing I’m saying right now. They’d be calling Stanton a one-trick pony who Ruben again payed way too much for.

    • tuberippin - May 3, 2013 at 5:27 PM

      ” I just see a guy who will have some real good HR years but at the end of the day appears to be a .255 hitter with 35 HR’s and 100 RBI and boatloads of strikeouts”

      He hit .290 last year.

  17. miketreedy - May 3, 2013 at 1:53 PM

    I think the Rangers, Seattle, St. Louis, Dodgers and the Mets are best positioned for making a trade based on having the best prospects to make a deal. If I was the Marlins I would especially not want to trade him to a NL East team.

    The Rangers need OF help big time next year. Nelson Cruz and David Murphy are FA’s. So they will be in on Stanton big time. They have Profar and other top prospects to offer in a deal. So they are probably the front runner.

    • Old Gator - May 3, 2013 at 3:33 PM

      And of those, he’d be most likely to prefer Seattle or the Dodgers, as they’d be closest to home.

  18. gmfw7 - May 3, 2013 at 2:01 PM

    this trade probably won’t happen, but absolutely could. first off, the phillies do have a few prospects left that could be used in tommy joseph and jesse biddle. they also have john pettibone (will be a 4-5 starter probably) and darin ruff, who, if he starts hitting in AAA the way he did last year and moves back to 1st base where he is comfortable, could be worth a decent amount. people say if they trade cliff lee, they would have to eat a big chunk of the contract to get anything in return..well guess what: the phillies have more than a handful of expriring contracts this season, including halladay and utley ($35 mil between the two), so they are in a position to eat some of lee’s money. do i think it will happen? no. but we have seen in the past that when RAJ really wants someone, he tends to find a way to make it happen, so i wouldn’t say it’s out of the question. it would be really fun to finally have a young phenom under contract for low money again. it’s been a long time since ryan and chase came up.

    • paperlions - May 3, 2013 at 2:23 PM

      Of course, the problem with that scenario is that if the Marlins really wanted so little in return for Stanton, there are about 25 teams that could offer more and better prospects than Philly could.

  19. evanwins - May 3, 2013 at 2:56 PM

    By the way, Baseball America ranked Jesse Biddle #6 this week. The 2nd highest pitching prospect.

    So there’s that.

    Ohhh but wait, that doesn’t fit with what everyone wants to believe so throw that fact out.

    And pitching isn’t valuable anyway, right? Cause apparently Lee has no value.

    • Old Gator - May 3, 2013 at 3:36 PM

      The Feesh’s problem is run production. They need guys who can hit and field, and not just for the future – they need one or two bats who can make their current and near future lineups less of a joke. For the most part they’ve been getting good pitching from both their veterans like Nolasco and Slowey and from kids like Sanabia and Fernandez. They’ve got pitching prospects. But they’re the only team in MLB who score an average fewer than three runs per game. If the Iron Giant proves to be as routinely frangible as he has so far, they clearly can’t count on him to make the difference.

      • Francisco (FC) - May 3, 2013 at 4:13 PM

        Don’t bother Gator, he has a permanent set of kaleidoscopic glasses super-glued to the eyes and more close-minded than the Vatican. You can’t debate someone who doesn’t argue in good faith.

    • kiwicricket - May 3, 2013 at 6:30 PM

      Lee is owed $100M over the next 4 yrs, until his age 37 season. Can you understand why this may not be all that attractive to teams?

      A players trade value is relative to their annual salary. Pujols is still one of the best players in MLB, what is his trade value atm? I would say basically nil.

      Lee is a good pitcher, every teams needs good pitching, but the guy is making more than the ENTIRE Astro’s roster.

  20. eagles512 - May 4, 2013 at 12:14 AM

    Likely they’re out if contention
    In July? With 2 wild cards? That’s about as dumb a statement as I’ve read on here.

    • drone501 - May 4, 2013 at 9:25 AM

      i say trade for him if he can also play goalie. u ain’t getting away from me over here in baseball eiggle.

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