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Dan Shaughnessy essentially accuses David Ortiz of taking PEDs

May 9, 2013, 8:23 AM EDT

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David Ortiz is off to an great start. So of course he must be cheating. At least that’s Dan Shaugnessy’s thought process:

I went to Ortiz Tuesday afternoon in the Sox clubhouse and put some hard questions to him. I told him he looks dirty.

Did he hear the fans in Toronto chanting, “Steroids!’’?

“No, not really,” said Ortiz. “Why?’’

Because what you are doing looks too good to be true.

“They test me all the time,” he said. “They make you pee and they test your blood, too. This year I would say I’ve probably been tested five times, peeing. Blood, just once. That was in spring training. They don’t warn you. They just show up.’’

What it is like to be suspected?

“I don’t think I have been,” he said. “Nobody comes to me and tells me, ‘They suspect you are using steroids.’ ’’

Shaugnessy’s evidence: Ortiz is Dominican. he was injured last year. He’s hitting well now. Ten years ago he tested positive for PEDs. Oh, and this gem when Ortiz asked if he’s not supposed to hit better when he is healthy than when he was injured:

No, but the rest of us don’t get better when we get older. I could touch the rim when I played basketball in high school. I’m not out there throwing down dunks today.

Well, what else do you need to hear? I mean, c’mon, no one in the history of baseball has ever hit .381 through 16 games. He’s basically breaking the laws of physics and bending the space-time continuum.

Of course Ortiz is tested just like every other player in Major League Baseball. Since the positive test in 2003 he has not tested positive. If Shaugnessy thinks that, despite this, Ortiz is dirty, he should have something better than “great hitter is off to a hot start.” Or he should explain why he has no faith in the drug testing system. But he has neither. He just took the laziest and most incendiary tack he could think of and ran with it.

Not that we should be surprised. This makes at least the tenth time — maybe the 100th time, I’ve lost count — since a blogger named Jerod Morris was pilloried by the print media for even suggesting that Raul Ibanez‘s hot start in 2009 was, potentially, a result of PED use that a member of the print media has done the same damn thing. No one cares when it’s a credentialed member of the media, though. They’re allowed to hurl as many irresponsible allegations as they’d like because, hell, I dunno. Because they could touch the rim when they played basketball or something.

  1. unclemosesgreen - May 9, 2013 at 8:29 AM

    Irresponsible no-talent hack. Idiotic re-vivified afterbirth with arms.

    • townballblog - May 9, 2013 at 9:02 AM

      Yep, his father always wished he would’ve been a blowjob.

      • unclemosesgreen - May 9, 2013 at 10:50 AM

        He was obviously conceived with a weak semen.

        I can trade Bill Hicks barbs all day long. Please consider that an invitation, anyone.

    • sabatimus - May 9, 2013 at 9:39 AM

      I.e. widely regarded as the biggest Boston media butthole. And there are a lot of them. I’m not reading Francona’s book mostly because he co-wrote it.

    • fanofevilempire - May 9, 2013 at 2:14 PM

      The Mitchell report said that NO Red Saux player used PED’s.

      The report did say that Manny. Pedro and David were found
      to drink Mango Juice.

  2. unclemosesgreen - May 9, 2013 at 8:30 AM

    The devil’s worst tequila nightmares sprung to life.

    • indaburg - May 9, 2013 at 10:32 AM

      Actually, he’s the devil’s best tequila nightmare. The devil is one sick bastard.

  3. unclemosesgreen - May 9, 2013 at 8:31 AM

    Dan Shaugnessy gives infants alcohol-douches and then drinks their blood.

    • proudlycanadian - May 9, 2013 at 8:36 AM

      LOL! I am giving you a thumbs up on all three posts.

      • unclemosesgreen - May 9, 2013 at 10:51 AM

        The beverage is named a “bloody Danny” and it’s a PED for his ginger mop.

      • proudlycanadian - May 9, 2013 at 10:52 AM

        Thank you for the information.

  4. townballblog - May 9, 2013 at 8:33 AM

    Dan Shaugnessy is a T-R-O-L-L!!!!!

    • 18thstreet - May 9, 2013 at 9:06 AM

      You know what? I loathe CHB, but AT LEAST he asked Ortiz directly and gave him a chance to defend himself. (And, it would seem, quoted his defense at length.) Generally speaking, that’s not the way these articles usually look.

      • paperlions - May 9, 2013 at 9:18 AM

        Asking people baseless question is NOT asking hard questions or doing anything positive. He has nothing to defend himself against. There is nothing journalistic about throwing around baseless accusations.

      • 18thstreet - May 9, 2013 at 9:35 AM

        An 80-year old DH recovering from an injury looks better than he ever has, and we’re calling that baseless?

        I love Papi. But there’s every reason in the world to be suspicious.

      • baseballicious - May 9, 2013 at 9:40 AM

        Dude, by bringing up the topic he himself is creating the “issue.”

      • sabatimus - May 9, 2013 at 9:43 AM

        I think there’s every reason in the world to suspect EVERYBODY. But Shaughnessy has made it his mad-on personal crusade to drag the Sox through the mud ever since he created the Curse of the Bambino. And Ortiz has been hitting like this for a little over a month…it’s not even close to June yet. Let’s see if it sustains (it won’t).

  5. ILoveBaseball - May 9, 2013 at 8:33 AM

    Because it’s not about the truth; it’s about controversy cause that’s what sells media.
    Most in a position to increase personal wealth or notoriety in the U.S. do so regardless of the means. Take a look at congress.

    • hasbeen5 - May 9, 2013 at 9:56 AM

      I’d hesitate to use Congress as a base for the population as a whole. Most of them live in a fantasy world and have no idea how most of us live or act.

    • mazblast - May 9, 2013 at 4:54 PM

      That’s nothing new. Back in the mid-1980s, I worked for a few years for a national newspaper that isn’t the Wall Street Journal and doesn’t have the name of a major city in its title (you do the math). In all the endless meetings, conferences, consultations, strategy sessions, etc., designed to keep us from doing our work so that later we could be yelled at for not doing our work, there were achingly endless discussions about circulation, revenues, costs, “efficiencies”, etc., but never anything about producing a quality product, reporting actual news, etc. It was all about profits, therefore all about selling a product, no matter how sh**ty it was.

  6. southpaw2k - May 9, 2013 at 8:36 AM

    Oh look! Dan Shaughnessy said something arrogant and stupid! Never saw that coming a f***ing mile away!

  7. charlutes - May 9, 2013 at 8:36 AM

    Its a disgrace that Shaughnessy’s insecurities allow him to trash Ortiz like this for no reason. It’s absolutely racist. You think he’s going after Paul Konerko if it’s him that’s hot? This guy should get suspended for this kind of baseless witch hunt. I am surprised he had the stones to ask Ortiz in person.

    • aceshigh11 - May 9, 2013 at 8:45 AM

      Shaughnessy is a lot of things, but he’s not a racist.

      I don’t see how you even come to that conclusion.

    • faulkner22 - May 9, 2013 at 9:41 AM

      If you took one minute to look up who Shaugnessy is, he writes columns to troll people. He admitted to testing positive once, vowed to “get to the bottom” of it and never did, and his trainer is now BANNED from MLB due to steroids and think it’s not a legitimate question, you’re either naive or need to turn off MSNBC.

      • sabatimus - May 9, 2013 at 9:45 AM

        Shaughnessy admitted to testing positive? Wouldn’t surprise me.

      • unclemosesgreen - May 9, 2013 at 1:27 PM

        David Ortiz never admitted to testing positive, he admitted that his name appeared on a list of players from a set of 2003 tests. The amount of players on the list far exceeded the amount of positive tests. The list in question was under government seal, and the MLBPA could not even tell Ortiz why his name appeared on the list. Ortiz has never admitted taking banned PED’s. Never. He has also never tested positive that we are aware of.

        So get your facts straight and stop pissing all over the name of one of the great American novelists of all time. Your user name should be baselessassertions.

  8. aceshigh11 - May 9, 2013 at 8:39 AM

    Shaughnessy is an obnoxious gasbag, but I have to admit I enjoy his columns just because he tries so damn hard to troll EVERYONE.

    It’s amusing to me, not annoying.

    And say what you will about his column, but at least he had the balls to ask Ortiz point-blank to his face rather than just publishing accusations.

    And c’mon…Ortiz DID test positive once and never “got to the bottom of it” like he promised the fans he would. As far as I’m concerned, this grilling is fair game because of that dodge.

  9. stoutfiles - May 9, 2013 at 8:57 AM

    “Or he should explain why he has no faith in the drug testing system. ”

    After A-Rod using and reusing, and then Braun escaping suspension, I have no faith in the drug testing system either. I doubt Papi is taking ‘roids, but the steroid era has left us able to question anyone and everyone.

    Then again, cheating has existed in baseball since its creation.

    • deadeyedesign23 - May 9, 2013 at 9:18 AM

      That’s always how I feel. Is Dan incorrect in his assumption? maybe, maybe not, but he’s only asking the questions I wanted him and others to be asking a decade ago. Players have the right to deny any accusations, but there’s a reason why we are suspicious.

  10. frenchysplatediscipline - May 9, 2013 at 9:02 AM

    What a ridiculous post. So Dan’s the bad guy here because he is doing real journalism here and asking the questions that many people (myself included) want to hear asked?

    Is Dan a prick? Yes, but there aren’t many in Boston that aren’t.

    But to say Ortiz is above suspicion because he tested positive TEN YEARS AGO!? Or because he is beloved Big Papi? Or maybe he is above suspicion because the game has been cleaned up so well?

    How many stories have I read about BioGenesis on HBT?

    What a joke.

    • largebill - May 9, 2013 at 9:10 AM

      Wrong! It is not responsible journalism to hurl baseless accusations based on a good stretch over a couple weeks. No one is above suspicion, but a journalist should have a more valid reason to go after a player with an accusation than hot start to the season. Early season rate stats are garbage. An 0 fer 5 tomorrow drops his BA fifty points.

      • frenchysplatediscipline - May 9, 2013 at 9:12 AM

        No. What Ortiz is doing is not the norm at his age. Couple that with the fact he is a known cheater in the past and that makes him a prime target for anyone’s suspicion.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - May 9, 2013 at 10:57 AM

        What Ortiz is doing is not the norm at his age.

        It’s a 16 game sample size. Maybe we should wait until the ASG and see if he still has a .300+ ISO and SLG over .700! Just some random 16-17 game samples from his time with the Sox:

        5/11/04 to 5/29/05 – .353/.408/.662, 4HR, 9 2B, 20 RBI (17G)
        5/15/05 to 6/2/05 – .353/.438/.574, 4HR, 3 2B, 19 RBI (17G)
        7/14/06 to 8/1/06 – .343/.410/.700, 6HR, 5 2B, 18 RBI (16G)

        Sense a pattern here? Oh and btw, here’s some other player’s age 37 seasons. Remember this is from the entire year:

        Aaron – .327/.410/.669 – 47 HR, 118 RBI – leads league in SLG, OPS, and OPS+
        Williams – .345/.479/.605 – 24 HR, 82 RBI – leads league in OBP (his age 38 season was even more absurd, .388/.526/.731)
        Ruth – .341/.489/.661 – 41 HR, 137 RBI

        So this is the exact opposite of unprecedented. It has been done before. And again, let’s wait until at least half the games are played before spouting off these numbers. I mean, Vernon Wells was hitting .317/.394/.619 through the first 16 games of the season, and Travis Hafner was hitting .319/.429/.702.

      • bigharold - May 9, 2013 at 12:39 PM

        “Wrong! It is not responsible journalism to hurl baseless accusations”

        No, it would be baseless had Ortiz never tested positive. Also, aside from the recent Biogenesis story there is clearly abundant evidence that PED usage has not gone away. Ortiz is in a difficult position as it’s nearly impossible to prove a negative. But, he isn’t exactly an innocent bystander either.

        The media took heat, and rightfully so, because they largely ignored PEDs until Canseco, The Imbecile, outed MLB and made the look bad. The backlash is this, .. nobody is above suspicion, especially those that have tested positive at any time in the past. Don’t think so, .. go ask A-Rod because both he and Ortiz are in the exact same boat on this issue. Of course A-Rod takes WAY more heat about it. And, as in this instance, you have media types looking like they are taking cheap shots. Frankly, I think he’s just doing what he’s suppose to as a journalist. And, it does matter that he asked Ortiz to his face and gave him the opportunity to explain himself. Do you think for a second Lupica would man up and display the cojones and attempt this type of face to face interview with A-Rod? He would, as he’s done repeatedly in the past, jump on his high horse, ratchet up the sanctimony and crucify A-Rod. So Shaugnessy does deserve credit for that at a minimum.

        This will enrage the Nation and they might just start chasing him around with torches and pitchforks but this is fair game. Shaugnessy is merely doing his job and this is only over the top if one removes all context of PEDs in MLB in general and David Ortiz’ involvement with them specfically.

      • bigharold - May 9, 2013 at 12:39 PM

        “Wrong! It is not responsible journalism to hurl baseless accusations”

        No, it would be baseless had Ortiz never tested positive. Also, aside from the recent Biogenesis story there is clearly abundant evidence that PED usage has not gone away. Ortiz is in a difficult position as it’s nearly impossible to prove a negative. But, he isn’t exactly an innocent bystander either.

        The media took heat, and rightfully so, because they largely ignored PEDs until Canseco, The Imbecile, outed MLB and made the look bad. The backlash is this, .. nobody is above suspicion, especially those that have tested positive at any time in the past. Don’t think so, .. go ask A-Rod because both he and Ortiz are in the exact same boat on this issue. Of course A-Rod takes WAY more heat about it. And, as in this instance, you have media types looking like they are taking cheap shots. Frankly, I think he’s just doing what he’s suppose to as a journalist. And, it does matter that he asked Ortiz to his face and gave him the opportunity to explain himself. Do you think for a second Lupica would man up and display the cojones and attempt this type of face to face interview with A-Rod? He would, as he’s done repeatedly in the past, jump on his high horse, ratchet up the sanctimony and crucify A-Rod. So Shaugnessy does deserve credit for that at a minimum.

        This will enrage the Nation and they might just start chasing him around with torches and pitchforks but this is fair game. Shaugnessy is merely doing his job and this is only over the top if one removes all context of PEDs in MLB in general and David Ortiz’ involvement with them specifically.

      • tycobbfromfangraphs - May 9, 2013 at 1:20 PM

        It’s not a couple weeks it’s 100 games where he has been pushing a wRC+ of at LEAST 180.
        You people do realize that Triple Crown, MVP MIggy “only” had a wRC+ of 166 last season right?

        David Ortiz has somehow returned at 37 years old to be BETTER than any hitter in Baseball. Better than Miggy was last season.

        And you people get upset because someone is calling bullcrap? That’s funny stuff

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - May 10, 2013 at 10:14 AM

        It’s not a couple weeks it’s 100 games where he has been pushing a wRC+ of at LEAST 180.

        No, no he hasn’t. There’s so much bad math here I don’t even know where to begin for you to say he’s been pushing 180 wRC+ for 100 games. In short, each year has it’s own individual scale, so you can’t even take the average of the two. Even if you could, he has 456 total PA over the past two years, with 383 (84%) of them coming last year with a wRC+ of 165. If you could just average the two of them, he’d need a 258.75 wRC+ from this year* to average 180 over the last two years (165*.84+258.75*.16=180).

        I responded on the other page about players who have had much better wOBA’s than Ortiz.

        *which he doesn’t even have. Using that formula above, he’s had an average of 166.6 wRC+. This is again, wrong, b/c the scales are different each year.

    • crispybasil - May 9, 2013 at 9:13 AM

      The problem many of us have is Shaughnessy’s reasoning for suspecting that Ortiz is taking PEDs, rather than the accusation itself.

      • frenchysplatediscipline - May 9, 2013 at 11:30 AM

        “What Ortiz is doing is not the norm at his age”

        And then you spout off with stats from Aaron, Ruth, and Williams to combat that quote. 3 Hall of Famers (which is also not the norm for baseball players based on how many have played the game). And I don’t include Ortiz (A DH who’s homer total exploded once he came to Boston – coincidentally when he was linked to steroids the first time) in that elite group.

        So yeah, most 37 year olds don’t put up those lines (at any point in the season). Saying that Ruth, Williams, and Aaron did it only affirms that the only special players have done it in the past.

        Ortiz is not special. I think he might be cheating. And so does Dan.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - May 10, 2013 at 10:17 AM

        So yeah, most 37 year olds don’t put up those lines (at any point in the season). Saying that Ruth, Williams, and Aaron did it only affirms that the only special players have done it in the past.

        That was over the entire year, not just a 16 game sample size. But I’m glad you skipped over the part where I quoted what Hafner and Wells did, putting up almost identical numbers to Ortiz.

        The issue I have is not whether Ortiz is cheating or not, I honestly don’t care. The issue is the stupidity of taking a very small set of games and using them to determine whether a player is cheating or not. You could probably find similar numbers for many people in the game over 100 PA.

    • Jack Marshall - May 9, 2013 at 11:01 AM

      What? The writer presupposes cheating because of a player’s hot month! That’s not just bad journalism, it’s bad logic, bad history, and ignorant. You suddenly break out in baseball old age with the greatest seasons of your life a la Barry Bonds while blowing up like the Hulk, THAT’S worth raising suspicions about. This is just libel.

      One month? Paul Dade had a hot month. Lu Clinton had a hot month. Marco Scutaro had a hot month. It proves nothing, it raises no questions. Papi has had cold streaks and hot streaks. This is just character assassination, and nothing more.

      • frenchysplatediscipline - May 9, 2013 at 11:36 AM

        Oh and Jack? Bonds was arguably a HOF’er before he started cheating.

        Ortiz? Check out his stats with the twins before he came to the Sox and became BFF’s with (known cheater) Manny Ramirez.*

        *Simply befriending Planet Manny itself does not imply that Ortiz used steriods. Befriending Manny AND his explosion in HR totals, AND his purported failed test that we “never got to the bottom of” implies he is a cheater…

      • frenchysplatediscipline - May 9, 2013 at 11:37 AM

        PS. Character assassination seems a bit dramatic, doesn’t it? I mean that implies there is character there to begin with.

  11. plowe70 - May 9, 2013 at 9:14 AM

    Don’t cheat and you won’t have to deal with being accused of cheating.

    • 18thstreet - May 9, 2013 at 9:37 AM

      Yes, because no one has ever been falsely accused of anything.

      I regret that I have but one thumb to give down to this comment.

      • bigharold - May 9, 2013 at 12:45 PM

        It’s really not about being falsely accused so much as already having tested positive in the past. I’m not at all sure that Ortiz is using PEDs but I am sure that he isn’t an innocent bystander either.

  12. JB (the original) - May 9, 2013 at 9:16 AM

    Nice hair.

  13. brewcrewfan54 - May 9, 2013 at 9:18 AM

    While no MLB player is above suspicion Shaugnessy seems like a real dickbag.

  14. paperlions - May 9, 2013 at 9:20 AM

    Dan Shaughnessy is the Angel Hernandez/Joe West/CB Bucknor/Bob Davidson of sports writing. The title of the “article” may as well be “Hey, look at me!”

    • drewzducks - May 9, 2013 at 10:50 AM

      You summed him up quite well. There’s a reason why when he used to walk into The Fours sports bar across from The Garden that dozens of patrons would, in unison, start chanting “Shaughnessy sucks”!

  15. deathmonkey41 - May 9, 2013 at 9:20 AM

    Big deal- I’ve been saying that for years! Don’t worry though- Bud Selig is going to start a thorough investigation into these allegations and he’s going to have Ortiz’s agent head it up.

    • aceshigh11 - May 9, 2013 at 11:39 AM

      No mention of “Dominican milkshakes”?

      You’re slipping.

      • fanofevilempire - May 9, 2013 at 2:17 PM

        man it’s the plantains!

  16. elpendejo59 - May 9, 2013 at 9:21 AM

    I was at Barnes & Noble this past weekend to buy a non-baseball related book. But, as I always do, I went to the Sports section just to have a look. There was the Terry Francona biography. I have always found him intriguing. He seems like an interesting guy and I was sure there would be some good stories of Red Sox dysfunction, as well as cool stuff from the two World Series wins, etc. But, damnit, I thought to myself, Shaughnessy wrote it. I took another lap around the store and came back to that section. Chris Coste wrote a book about being a 33-year-old rookie? “Cool!” I thought to myself. It’s paperback and cheap, I’m in! Now, what to do about Francona? “Oh what the hell, let’s do it!” I thought to myself again. Idiot.

    • 18thstreet - May 9, 2013 at 9:38 AM

      I was hugely disappointed with that book. It’s got the stink of Shaugnessy all over it.

  17. randygnyc - May 9, 2013 at 9:26 AM

    Finally, a journalist with integrity. Book em Dan-o

  18. psousa1 - May 9, 2013 at 9:32 AM

    You have to understand the Boston Media / Red Sox dynamic. I’m not speaking about the beat writers but the so called columnists – They absolutely hated 2004 and 2007- 2010 . They thought of themselves as the celebrity (Michael Lewis even mentions this in ‘Moneyball’) and it drove guys like Shaughnessy insane. The late Will McDonough, Shaughnessy -it drove them nuts Last year, to them, were the good old days. I could give a sh!t if they act like the NY writers with the Yankees (cheerleaders) but don’t come in with an agenda – it’s so transparent.

  19. hitdog042 - May 9, 2013 at 10:00 AM

    It’s a racist comment but the Globe will continue to look the other way. IMO he should be heavily disciplined for it if not fired. It’s incredibly bad taste and shouldn’t be tolerated.

  20. homelanddefense - May 9, 2013 at 10:17 AM

    I hate the Boston media. Im a fan of all the sports, but the media absolutely sucks. Shaughnessy, Borges, Felger, all of them

  21. jrobitaille23 - May 9, 2013 at 10:19 AM

    Craig must be on the players’ union payroll. EVERY single steroid related issue he takes the players side. ‘Baseless accusations’???? LMAO dude. Papi is as guilty as any of these guys. He was caught in the past. Red Sox security staff were fired over steroids. Manny. Seriously, get a grip and start being on the right side of this issue already. The players know they are getting an advantage and whether it was illegal or not back then..it’s still sketchy.

    • unclemosesgreen - May 9, 2013 at 1:30 PM

      You’re completely wrong about David Ortiz testing positive for steroids or any other banned PED. Do your homework.

      • fanofevilempire - May 9, 2013 at 2:16 PM

        it has to be the coconut water.

      • jrobitaille23 - May 9, 2013 at 6:00 PM

        dude what are you talking about? He and Manny both were named as steroid users in the Mitchell report. Talk about doing some homework. Hey, next time you want to open your pie hole…be right okay?

        http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/31/sports/baseball/31doping.html?_r=5&ref=sports&

        seriously guy…seriously?

      • unclemosesgreen - May 9, 2013 at 10:08 PM

        Completely serious. That dead ass link is to an article behind the NYT paywall by Michael Schmidt, which alleges that Manny and Papi were on the 2003 list, even though the actual Mitchell Report does not list them. They are not connected to any of the major groups identified in the Mitchell Report. They weren’t clients of Kirk Radomski, Signature Pharmacy, or BALCO.

        It has never come to light what substances were alleged to have put Papi’s name on the 2003 list, and he has never tested positive for a banned substance.

        Facts matter.

  22. charlutes - May 9, 2013 at 10:37 AM

    Pretty obvious to me, aceshigh11:
    He isn’t accusing Matt Adams even though he’s hitting an even 500 in about the same at bats.

    if there was any reason at all then fine. But Ortiz is passing drug tests, and no one seems to want to point to his long standing history as a great hitter as evidence that he isn’t roiding. They only want to assume he’s on steroids because he’s hitting well, which is really stupid, and in the case that he only accuses a Dominican player who hits well, and not any white dudes, it’s racist.

    • aceshigh11 - May 9, 2013 at 3:12 PM

      Shaughnessy covers the Red Sox…he’s focusing on Red Sox players.

      And Ortiz was not always a great hitter…he was thoroughly average with the Twins.

      • 18thstreet - May 9, 2013 at 3:33 PM

        That’s not quite true. He slugged .500 his last year in Minnesota. Oh, wait — it’s not true at all. He was not thoroughly average. He was great with Minnesota.

        What Minnesota choose to see was that he couldn’t field, couldn’t hit lefties, and struck out too much for their tastes. Please note: these were all true statements. The Red Sox looked at that EXACT SAME PLAYER and said, “That’s a guy who can be the left-handed half of a DH/1B platoon.” The Red Sox got lucky in that Ortiz learned to hit lefties, but his numbers against righties were nearly identical in 2002 Minnesota and 2003 Boston.

      • 18thstreet - May 9, 2013 at 3:38 PM

        Most of the difference between 2002 Ortiz and 2003 Ortiz is the ballpark effects of playing in Fenway. And most of the difference of 2003 Ortiz and 2004 Ortiz is the ability to hit left-handed pitching.

        My theory is this: David Ortiz took steroids, beginning in 2004, but only when a left-handed pitcher was starting. His stats against RHPs were pretty much unchanged (accounting for ballparks) in 2002, 2003 and 2004.

      • 18thstreet - May 9, 2013 at 3:52 PM

        I still can’t believe (a) Minnesota gave up on this guy and (b) the Red Sox got him so cheaply.

        http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=ortizda01&year=2002&t=b

        There’s a lot of RHPs out there. David Ortiz hit them very, very well. And designated hitter is a thing that exists in the American League of Professional Base-Ball Clubs.

  23. djpostl - May 9, 2013 at 10:46 AM

    Eh, if it wasn’t Big Sloppy I’d get upset but that douche got over the first time around.

    When Arod (whom I depise) was discovered to have come up hot on that infamous 2003 test ESPN couldn’t find a wormhole fast enough to get a camera crew and Peter Gammons in front of him to grill him like Chazz Palminteri from did Verbil Kint did in Usual Suspects.

    A year later Shrek, I mean Big Sloppy (whom I also despise) also is discovered to have burned a hole in the bottom of his sample cup on that same 2003 test and how does ESPN respond?

    Like any good Red Sox PR guy would, that’s how.

    They play the “don’t jump to conclusions” crap, parade out two different guys talking about how false positives are more common than people think & when Ortiz has his OJ-like press conference where he says “he’ll get to the bottom of this and get back to you guys” they take that as more that enough on the matter and “close the case”.

    Seeing how he never did come back and give everyone that follow up, nor take the proper amount of heat for it I have zero problem with him having to suffer through some unfounded accusations this time around.

    He’s earned it.

    • unclemosesgreen - May 9, 2013 at 1:35 PM

      The follow up was from the head of the MLBPA, where Manfredi said he couldn’t even reveal the reason Ortiz was on the list to Ortiz himself. It’s under seal as part of a government case. There is absolutely no evidence which supports any assertion that David Ortiz has ever tested positive for any PED, banned or otherwise.

      • mazblast - May 10, 2013 at 12:10 AM

        Lock Manfredi and Ortiz in a room with only one door–a locked one. I guarantee Manfredi will reveal the information to Papi.

    • unclemosesgreen - May 9, 2013 at 1:38 PM

      BTW the “grilling” ARod got from Gammons was also about as effective as Verbil’s interrogation.

  24. charlutes - May 9, 2013 at 10:49 AM

    The real problem with Shaughnessy doing this is now when an aging player hits well for a month its no longer a great story, it’s a steroid accusation.

  25. anxovies - May 9, 2013 at 10:58 AM

    Everybody knows Papi uses PEDs and is worthless on defense and on the bases but he is jovial and looks like somebody’s uncle so nobody cares. ARod, who quit PEDs years ago and busts his ass at the plate, on the bases and in the field is constantly vilified as a drug user because he has a picture of himself as a centaur.

    • 18thstreet - May 9, 2013 at 12:31 PM

      I guess I applaud your willingness to defend A-Rod, but I’m fascinated that you’re positive Ortiz is using PEDs and that A-Rod quit them years ago.

    • unclemosesgreen - May 9, 2013 at 1:39 PM

      You can’t tell me hallucinogens had no part in the commissioning of a self-portrait as centaur.

      • 18thstreet - May 9, 2013 at 4:03 PM

        It turns out I have a policy of mocking anyone who has a picture of themselves as a centaur. I keep looking for someone new.

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