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The David Ortiz/Dan Shaughnessy saga continues

May 11, 2013, 8:20 PM EDT

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On Thursday, Boston Globe columnist Dan Shaughnessy accused Red Sox slugger David Ortiz of using performance-enhancing drugs. Ortiz responded with a staunch denial, claiming that Shaughnessy’s accusations were discriminatory in nature.

The drama continued this afternoon after the Red Sox lost to the Blue Jays 3-2. Ortiz was about to leave the clubhouse when he spotted Shaughnessy. The details, via WEEI’s Alex Speier:

“Look who it is,” Ortiz said.

He paused for a moment, then noted — loudly enough that all in the clubhouse were party to his address — that on the very day on which Shaughnessy interviewed him, he took a test for PEDs. Ortiz said he would be sure to pass along results of that test to the columnist. Ortiz became slightly more animated as he noted that he’d taken 40 tests administered by Major League Baseball.

Ortiz went 1-for-4 today, snapping a three-game hitless streak.

  1. franklinandbashandflorio - May 11, 2013 at 8:30 PM


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  2. mybrunoblog - May 11, 2013 at 8:31 PM

    Ortiz is in a no win situation. He should try to try to ignore the media when they make accusations without solid evidence. Nothing good can come from him baiting reporters. Even shittty reporters.
    I am however impiressed that Shaughnessy was in the clubhouse. Lots of media type have big mouths but never face the guys they rip. Shaughnessy was right back in there. Kudos to him for that. It isn’t easy.

    • Kevin Gillman - May 11, 2013 at 8:40 PM

      But Shaughnessy should also be man enough to admit he went to far with the DR simile, no? What bothers me is most of these media guys, especially someone like Dan, who might I add, I never heard of or even seen until Papi started winning games for the Red Sox around 2004, and started showing up on ESPN miraculously should admit when they crossed the line. And Dan truly did just that. Ortiz is only human, I bet many people would have reacted that way in that same situation.

      • jaguar0413 - May 11, 2013 at 11:44 PM

        This is such a fake drama. Columnists accused Barry Bonds of using PEDs without him ever testing positive. I didn’t see much criticism or scrutiny of them. Mark Fainaru-Wada also got a job with ESPN because of it.

        Ortiz has zero ground to stand upon. He has already tested positive for steroids. Shaughnessy has every right as a journalist to ask the PED question. Papi just needs to shut up and understand that he will be scrutinized for the rest of his career because of his past mistakes. At least in this case everyone already has the proof that he cheated.

      • Kevin Gillman - May 12, 2013 at 12:02 AM

        I get that, but it was the “You’re Dominican Republican” comment he made in the accusation. At what point does the journalist go too far?

      • melkipershero - May 11, 2013 at 11:47 PM

        Just because someone doesn’t fail a test doesn’t mean crap. Bonds played without testing. Bonds used PEDs. If you don’t see his body change during his 30’s and production in his 40’s you’re blind or a Bonds fan. Bonds doped. It’s obvious.

      • djpostl - May 12, 2013 at 12:53 AM

        “I get that, but it was the “You’re Dominican Republican” comment he made in the accusation. At what point does the journalist go too far?”

        Except for the fact that Dominicans have made up an abnormally large percentage of those who have been busted for PEDs.

        Sorry, they earned the suspicion.

      • jaguar0413 - May 12, 2013 at 12:58 AM

        @melkipershero I’m not a moron. I obviously know that Bonds used PEDs. I was just saying that nobody complained when reporters made their careers by accusing Bonds without proof of a positive test. So, people shouldn’t complain about Shaughnessy accusing Ortiz when he has already tested positive.

    • hockeyflow33 - May 12, 2013 at 2:43 AM

      He doesn’t lose face in Boston by going after Shaughnessy. No one respects him or his awful columns.

      • badintent - May 13, 2013 at 1:45 AM

        It’s Boston , the land of Hazel Mae gossip and a press that is even worst than New York’s for a fake headline.AND YOUR DAMN BRUINS COST ME A TON OF $$ IN VEGAS. MAN UP WILLYA ??!!

      • hockeyflow33 - May 13, 2013 at 3:10 PM

        Why would you bet on the Bruins? Did you not watch them all season?

      • badintent - May 14, 2013 at 12:32 AM


    • unclemosesgreen - May 12, 2013 at 10:50 AM

      You’re impressed that Dan was in the clubhouse? He’s a fucking beat reporter. That’s his job. If he doesn’t go into the clubhouse he can quit. That’s his alternative. Honestly Bruno, you’ve been smarter.

      • bbil2012 - May 12, 2013 at 4:04 PM

        It’s also his job to write stories that result in anger, fighting, chaos, anarchy and the eventual desturction of the human race. The devil makes him do it.

      • rjh1109 - May 13, 2013 at 12:13 PM

        He’s not a beat reporter, he’s a columnist. A beat reporter writes the game stories. A columnist writes whatever he damn pleases and he doesn’t have to go anywhere that he doesn’t want to go.

  3. hpt150 - May 11, 2013 at 8:33 PM

    I imagine Ortiz will enjoy sending random urine samples to Shaughnessy’s home address after he retires.

  4. mccourty1sland - May 11, 2013 at 8:36 PM

    I’m not a critic of the media, or how people write, or what questions should/shouldn’t be asked, but I do know this: Dan Shaughnessy is a clown. He is ugly, annoying, a homer yet a hater, and if it wasn’t for guys like David Ortiz, probably a no name sports writer. He, along with Ron Borges, should find a tall bridge to jump off.

    Go pats!

    • proudlycanadian - May 11, 2013 at 8:48 PM

      Ortiz seems to have handled the issue more maturely than you have. You were OK until that last sentence.

    • bigharold - May 12, 2013 at 1:44 AM

      “..Dan Shaughnessy is a clown.”

      No he’s a sports journalist who’s job is it to ask such questions. And, he had the integrity to pose those questions to Ortiz in person and provide him the opportunity to respond. That is the way people of integrity act.

      It’s unfortunate that Ortiz can not prove he’s been clean since he turned up on the 2003 list. But, had he not failed a test for PEDs, that he was well aware was coming, .. he wouldn’t be in his present circumstance. He has nobody to blame but himself.

      After he was outed he promised that he’d find out what he tested positive for and provide an explanation as to why he failed the test and yet he never did. Now, at this late stage of his career, after he displays an unusual resurgence of hitting prowess, he takes exception to people thinking that he might be juicing and that a sports writer would have the temerity to ask him about it. As if he never failed a PED in his life. How wonderfully myopic!

      Ortiz was on the same list as A-Rod and Manny. A-Rod takes far more crap about steroids than Ortiz ever has and yet Ortiz complains about the scrutiny far more. What a complete crybaby. Somebody should point out to him that he’s in the position he’s in because of his own actions.

      The more I hear Ortiz whine about this the less respect I have for him.

      • hockeyflow33 - May 12, 2013 at 2:44 AM

        Not familiar with Shaugnessy at all huh?

      • paperlions - May 12, 2013 at 10:47 AM

        So…..Jeter bounces back and has a nice year at an advanced age, was it the media’s job to pepper him with questions about steroid use?

        Wells had a nice 16 game stretch to start the season after sucking for years, should they have asked him about steroid use?

        Every time a player over 33 has a couple of nice weeks, is it the job of the media to lob steroid accusations at them?

      • bigharold - May 12, 2013 at 3:16 PM

        Yes I am familiar with Shaunghnessy and overall I think he’s fairly balanced. I don’t agree with everything he says, e.g. his call the WS for the RS in late may in 2005, but I think he makes the effort to be fair. Case in point he asked Ortiz to his face, .. he didn’t merely torpedo him in a column. Regardless, he knew whatever he did since he was asking questions about Saint Poppy he knew he was going to take heat.

        Jeter, Wells, or any other MLB player is suspect to one degree or another. As I’ve stated repeatedly thanks to the one time rampant use of PEDs in MLB no player is completely above suspicion. On the other hand Jeter, and as far as I know Wells, have NEVER failed a test. Ortiz has, .. a test he was well aware was coming.

        I’ve no way to know if Ortiz is using PEDS and If I had to guess I’d say no. But, considering MLB history of PED use in general and Ortiz’s connection specifically Shaughnessy’s questions are not out of bounds. Ortiz’s carrying on about it constitutes whining.

      • badintent - May 13, 2013 at 1:51 AM

        Your 100 % right but we got far too many blindlove Sox fans here to understand a rational argument here on this blog. Maybe on TMZ you’d have a better chance . Ortiz is a smarter Rafel Palmaro, he doesn’t point his finger in the air at Congressmen, he points it at the mirror every morning.

  5. randygnyc - May 11, 2013 at 8:37 PM

    Ortiz should spend less time trying to run down Shaughnessy and more time trying to get to the bottom of his dirty results, as promised he would. Ortiz might, MIGHT be clean, right now. That hasn’t always been the case.

    • forsch31 - May 11, 2013 at 9:32 PM

      So the accuser has absolutely no responsibly to produce his own evidence on which his accusations are based? How very conspiracy theorist of you.

      • melkipershero - May 11, 2013 at 10:06 PM

        Unfortunately no. The media used anonymous sources every day now and throws out complete bs.

      • forsch31 - May 11, 2013 at 10:19 PM

        Except Dan Shaughnessy doesn’t even have anonymous sources, just his own BS.

        (The media has always used anonymous sources. ‘Bout the only way they’re going to get a story.)

  6. mccourty1sland - May 11, 2013 at 8:39 PM

    Ok randy. Worry about your own dirty players. David Ortiz is still playing. A rod is done bro!

  7. theskinsman - May 11, 2013 at 9:09 PM

    Gee,it’s not like Ortiz suddenly broke a bone in his leg.Long term PED use makes bone brittle,Randy.

    • badintent - May 13, 2013 at 1:54 AM

      My point exactly . Hencefore.. I give you: A-Rod-less lol

  8. baseballbum - May 11, 2013 at 9:17 PM

    This whole thing stinks. The Redsox don’t need this right now. Papi was going so well, the team was hot and then this BS started. Can Schaughnessy please remember the beloved city that he writes for and move the f**k on. Let’s get back to baseball you guys!

    • indaburg - May 12, 2013 at 7:13 AM

      I dislike Shaughnessy’s baiting style very much, but to blame the Sox’s current struggles on him isn’t accurate. Big Papi was producing at an astronomical, unsustainable rate. He was due to come back to earth, accusations or not. That said, Shaughnessy’s accusations were put out there to sell papers and produce web site clicks. I think it’s working. But bottom line, I agree with you–let’s get back to baseball and not give any credence to accusations without a foundation.

  9. randygnyc - May 11, 2013 at 9:57 PM

    Hey mccourtey- if you’ve been here long enough to notice, I go after any player that cheats, despite whatever uniform they wear. I’ll also note, because you mentioned him, Arod at least admitted it (as did Pettitte) and didn’t play the race card. Ortiz, well, he’s still searching, along with OJ.

    • melkipershero - May 11, 2013 at 10:02 PM

      Pettitte should be used as the example of how to handle any situation in which you cheated or did something wrong. Admit it and move on. I was so impressed with Andy when he did that because all the other players were in denial mode.

      • melkipershero - May 11, 2013 at 10:04 PM

        Also Arod only admitted when he was caught red handed and had no choice. Hes a punk. I hate the Yanks but Im sure their fan base is done with him. Especially being connected to the new Miami scandal.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - May 11, 2013 at 10:11 PM

        but Im sure their fan base is done with him.

        Not this one. Never mind how awful the evidence in the Miami case is, why should I/we care if he’s using PEDs? Drug cheats have been in baseball for the last 50+ years. I’m not naive enough to think today’s players are evil while yesteryear’s were just doing what they needed to do to play…

      • melkipershero - May 11, 2013 at 10:18 PM

        Dont mean it like hes just a terrible person. Im sure theres some ped out there a lot of players are using. Hes overpaid and declining. His personality makes him unlikeable. Hes caught cheating and says he only did it after he got paid by Texas? My ass. Hes done something his entire career and after he was caught he went back to peds? Not sure how you can root for him.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - May 11, 2013 at 11:03 PM

        Hes overpaid and declining. His personality makes him unlikeable.

        Of course he’s declining, he was one of the best players of our generation and he’s getting older. To not decline would be abnormal*. However, what about his personality is unlikable? I get a lot of shit from fellow Yanks fans for this, but there are two superstars on the Yanks on the left side of the infield. ARod is very generous with is money, giving charity to things like the Boys and Girls club. Same player takes all the really young Yanks under his wing, trying to teach them how to behave as professionals, train year round, etc. Jeter doesn’t speak to people years later because he harbors grudges like a 12 year old girl.

        and after he was caught he went back to peds?

        And you have proof of this? I’m going to need a lot more than handwritten, un-sourced notes that the doctor in question has said aren’t real.

        Not sure how you can root for him.

        How not? He’s one of the best players of my generation. He came to the Yanks and moved positions without so much as a peep, even though he was doing it for an inferior player. Is it the PEDs? Because pretty much every player in the 60s and 70s took PEDs. Many in the 80s and 90s did as well. Players have been cheating since the rules were written. What’s so different now?

      • melkipershero - May 11, 2013 at 11:51 PM

        PEDs now are a whole different ball game. The 70’s guys used cocaine and other speeders. Nothing about that makes you bigger faster or stronger. Arod was just in that Miami scandal. Where there is smoke there is fire. Braun failed a test as did one or two of the other names on that list. He’s a jerk. Do you kiss yourself in the mirror? Many more examples. It’s all good though I understand people still root for the guy. He played in a dirty era. I would have done the same so it’s easy for me to sit here and hate him considering I was never in his position.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - May 12, 2013 at 1:00 PM

        PEDs now are a whole different ball game. The 70′s guys used cocaine and other speeders. Nothing about that makes you bigger faster or stronger.

        We’ve hashed this out enough on this board, but you’re wrong. Steroids are in increase in testosterone. That’s it. If you want to get bigger, stronger and/or faster, you have to hit the gym. Amphetamines, which were used league wide, give you an energy boost just for taking them.

        Arod was just in that Miami scandal. Where there is smoke there is fire. Braun failed a test as did one or two of the other names on that list.

        The “scandal” is a bunch of handwritten notes with players names on them. This isn’t an Access database with drug names, amounts and cycles. I could take a college ruled notebook and a crayon and make the exact same “evidence” as in this case. Also, the main doctor says the information is wrong. We have more evidence of bigfoot existing than this case.

        He’s a jerk. Do you kiss yourself in the mirror? Many more examples.

        I assume the He’s is referring to Arod, but bad antecedent issue here. So you evidence that Arod shouldn’t be rooted for is “he’s a jerk” but not saying how, and that he kisses himself in the mirror? Come on man, you could do better than that.

      • bigharold - May 12, 2013 at 3:31 PM

        “Also Arod only admitted when he was caught red handed and had no choice.”

        Ortiz didn’t even do that. He mumbled some BS about finding out and sharing it with the club and the public. And that was the last of it.

        “I hate the Yanks but Im sure their fan base is done with him.”

        Nope. A-Rod has exactly the same number of failed drug test as Ortiz.. You hate Ortiz? I’m a Yankee fan and I in fact like Ortiz. I’d like him a bit more if he’d stop whining about being asked a legitimize question.

  10. buffalo65 - May 11, 2013 at 10:37 PM

    He’s dirty

    • indaburg - May 12, 2013 at 7:14 AM

      He is NOT! He showers after every game with Old Spice. He’s very clean.

      • unclemosesgreen - May 12, 2013 at 11:34 AM

        Happy Mothers’ Day. Now go explain your detailed knowledge of Big Papi’s showering habits to your husband. Oh to be a fly on the wall.

      • indaburg - May 12, 2013 at 11:42 AM


        Um, educated guess?

  11. uyf1950 - May 11, 2013 at 10:50 PM

    Bill. unless I’m mistaken Ortiz snapped a 3 game hitless streak NOT 5 games
    He went: 1 for 4 on May 7th, went hitless on May 8, 9 and 10 and went 1 for 4 today the 11th of May.

    • Bill Baer - May 11, 2013 at 10:58 PM

      Thanks for catching that. I was looking at the column just to the left of hits. 😦

  12. ryanw822 - May 11, 2013 at 11:34 PM

    I’d be willing to bet a lot of money that Ortiz did cheat during the years he put up huge numbers. The guy was an average player in Minnesota and went to hitting 40-55 HRs in Boston.

    But I wouldnt writing an article based on my assumptions without some proof.

    • melkipershero - May 11, 2013 at 11:53 PM

      He failed a test during that MLB test that was done just to see who was doping. 2003 maybe?

      • hockeyflow33 - May 12, 2013 at 2:46 AM

        Nothing but rumor

  13. coryfor3 - May 12, 2013 at 12:26 AM

    So defensive for an innocent guy

    • indaburg - May 12, 2013 at 7:17 AM

      If I was innocent and being falsely accused, damn right I would be defensive. I would be shouting it from roof tops. He’s in a no win situation. If he doesn’t respond, he’s guilty because he’s not responding. If he does respond, he’s guilty because he’s defensive.

  14. mccourty1sland - May 12, 2013 at 1:10 AM

    Randy- since you’re such a well rounded watchdog, maybe you should remember Ortiz admitted it and said he would get to the bottom of it. Never did do that but still addressed it.

  15. dirtyharry1971 - May 12, 2013 at 1:43 AM

    ok so ortiz was caught once before and now he is pretending that never happened. Look most of these guys are using, lets just own up to that fact and move on, there is nothing to see here

  16. anxovies - May 12, 2013 at 12:32 PM

    You want proof? Just look at Papi’s picture posted with Bill’s blog. The crazy, menacing smile and those veiled, beady eyes. Anybody can tell that he was all roided up when the picture was taken.

    • bigharold - May 12, 2013 at 4:04 PM

      You do realize that sarcasm, like all art, is rarely appreciated in its own time.

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