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Terry Collins: “I don’t answer to fans”

May 15, 2013, 8:51 AM EDT

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He doesn’t. But it’s one of those things that you tend to do better never actually saying. But Collins said it anyway yesterday, in response to the flap in which Mets players did not appear to have Jordany Valdespin‘s back after he got plunked by a Pirates pitcher on Saturday night:

“I don’t answer to fans,” Collins said before the Mets’ 10-4 loss in St. Louis. “They don’t play this game. They have no idea what goes on. They have no idea what goes on in there. They have absolutely no idea what it means to be a professional teammate at this level.”

I don’t disagree with anything Collins said there. Nor do I disagree with the Mets not congratulating Valdespin on his homer Friday or retaliating for him being plunked afterward. He was showboating when the team was down by a substantial margin. And while I don’t much care for pitchers hitting guys on purpose, baseball players all knew that Valdespin was out of line per their unwritten rules and the Mets were acting in accord with those rules. Mike Francesa doesn’t like it? Cry me a freakin’ river. The guy is a clown.

At the same time, however, Collins has been around long enough, one would hope, to know that the response to this sort of flap should be to diffuse it with either wit or boring cliches. Not to be prickly about it and never, ever, to go after fans like that. By doing so he gave this little non-story new life — you can bet that Francesa and the yakkers will be all over it today — and has helped create a distraction.

Which maybe shouldn’t be all that surprising. Collins has been a better, more mature manager with the Mets than he was back in the day with Houston and Anaheim. But this prickly little thing is reminiscent of his mid-to-late 90s oeuvre.

  1. jlilly67 - May 15, 2013 at 9:00 AM

    That about kills any chance of an extension. Buh-bye Terry.

    • Old Gator - May 15, 2013 at 11:27 AM

      This is guy is as dense and stupid as the Arctic night is long.

  2. buffalomafia - May 15, 2013 at 9:02 AM

    Yeah I think the Mets need a real coach!

    They have all that young talent & they are going nowhere fast?!

    • skinsfanwill - May 15, 2013 at 9:08 AM

      They have two young pitchers who should be great for a long time and a 3rd baseman. What other “talent” do they have? Time to call a bum a bum. If it stinks on the side of the rode and has a “no talent” sign around its neck, it is probably a bum. No manager can hit for these guys. This is the most inconsistent group of guys I have ever watched in baseball.

    • aceshigh11 - May 15, 2013 at 9:08 AM

      Is that second sentence a question or a statement?

  3. mybrunoblog - May 15, 2013 at 9:09 AM

    Let me decipher what Collins meant “My goddam team is 14-22! Ive got players with triple A talent and an angry fan base. God help me!”
    Collins is very frustrated and I don’t blame him. Can’t call out the fans though, only leads to trouble.

    • neoshweaty - May 15, 2013 at 10:56 AM

      I’m one of the biggest Mets fans around and it doesn’t take much to see that this is a bad team headed for a long season. There is some optimism for some of the players on the team but almost all of them wont be on the next Mets team that contends and I feel like that says all one needs to know about the situation.

  4. rickdobrydney - May 15, 2013 at 9:09 AM

    Collins , self imploding once again — But it doesn’t help that he works for possibly the saddest organization in all of professional sports —–

    • chill1184 - May 15, 2013 at 11:04 AM

      Saddest organization? Yea ok lets review

      1. Buffalo Bills: No Superbowls but largely know for choking away four in a row

      2. Toronto Maple Leafs: Championship drought 46 years

      3. Pittsburgh Pirates: 20 years of losing seasons

      4. Seattle Mariners: No world series titles period (36 years)

      5. Cleveland Browns: No championships since the start of the Superbowl era

      6. Buffalo Sabres: No Stanley Cups since its creation (43 years)

      7. Kansas City Royals: 9 consecutive losing seasons, last playoff appearance 1985

      (note the list is not in a particular order)

      Obviously to people you facts dont matter

      • mybrunoblog - May 15, 2013 at 11:51 AM

        No the Mets aren’t the saddest team of the 4 major sports. I would however put them in the top 10 or maybe 15.

        1. Two championships in 50 seasons.
        2. 3899-4259 all time record .478 winning percentage
        3. 41 seasons and only 1 home grown HOF player (Tom Seaver)
        4. Large market revenue but small market roster
        5. Very poor ownership
        6. New ballpark that was oddly designed on the model of a different teams park (Brooklyn Dodgers)
        7. Corporate named ballpark despite having large revenue and their own network
        8. Twenty different managers in 50 seasons (average manager lasts only 2.5 years)
        9. Traded best player in their team history while he was still on top of his game (Tom Seaver)

        I’m sure there’s plenty more but these were from the top of my head

      • chill1184 - May 15, 2013 at 12:16 PM

        @mybrunoblog

        1. Angels 1, Astros 0, Senators/Rangers 0,

        5. Ownership removal is dependent on the league. Keeping a big payroll club in financial limbo keeps them out of the bidding wars. The other owners have an interest in keeping a competitor down if they can.

        7. Sounds more like class warfare BS. If a company wants to pay you X amount of money just to have its logo on your building I find it very hard to turn down free legal money

      • djpostl - May 15, 2013 at 12:53 PM

        @chill1184-

        “more class warfare BS” lol, as if it isn’t happening. What a tool.

        “There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.” – Warren Buffett

      • The Rabbit - May 15, 2013 at 1:16 PM

        @chill
        Thanks for providing another example why moderates can’t stand the unfounded rhetoric from either side and won’t be convinced that the positions are valid.
        7. Class warfare? Hardly. Old-fashioned tradition. I like parks named for their locales and sports legends, e.g., the old Connie Mack Stadium.
        It’s also occasionally nice that everything in this country not be about free money and buck grabbing and that has nothing to do with class warfare, either.

      • jimeejohnson - May 15, 2013 at 8:36 PM

        Obviously you’re another one who doesn’t understand a fact is indisputable, while your list is pure opinion.

  5. paperlions - May 15, 2013 at 9:14 AM

    Fans/media bitch about canned/cliche statements…then every time a guy is honest they whine about the honesty (even when they agree with it, not a reference to Craig in particular, as his take on this is likely the norm). I have no problem with Collins saying that he doesn’t care about the opinions of people that don’t know enough to have an opinion he should care about (i.e. the fans and media, because I seriously doubt this is really a “fans” thing, but rather, a media things….because they are bored and haven nothing to write about).

    In full context, Collins asked who though he hung Valdespin out to dry and a reporter said the fans did (no evidence that this is true)…and Collins said that he didn’t answer to the fans but to the guys in the locker room…which is both 100% true and exactly what a manager should think. Good for him.

    • Ben Cerow - May 15, 2013 at 9:24 AM

      Completely agree. What he said was honest and accurate, I can’t bang on the guy for that.

    • djpostl - May 15, 2013 at 12:55 PM

      Yes, but I agree with the sentiment that he should “think” this as opposed to “say” this.

      You’ll never win an altercation, however trumped up or manufactured it might be, with the fans.

      • paperlions - May 15, 2013 at 12:56 PM

        You will when the fans aren’t actually part of the altercation. Is there any evidence at all that fans (as a group) have a problem with any of this…even with what Collins said?

      • djpostl - May 15, 2013 at 4:29 PM

        None.

        But guess what is happening now? Fans are kind of peeved he said it, regardless of what brought it all up.

        He cannot freakin’ win by saying that. Not in an sense of the word “win”.

        I agree with him, as it applies to both the context of the situation and how he was approached with the question that started this all.

        But we all know that isn’t how it’s going to end up playing out. The thing will take on a life of its own and he’ll take a hit.

        Better left unsaid or simply phrased another way.

    • indaburg - May 15, 2013 at 3:47 PM

      The intelligent Mets fan (not an oxymoron) will have no issue with what Collins said. They already know this. All they will wonder is: “Why are you reiterating what we already know? You’re only annoying the ones too dumb to know this already.”

      • jimeejohnson - May 15, 2013 at 8:42 PM

        ” You’re only annoying the ones too dumb to know this already.”

        Hate to tell you but that’s a whole lot of people. Millions!

  6. drobstad - May 15, 2013 at 9:32 AM

    This article takes what he said completely out of context by leaving out the basis of what he was saying. The media asked Terry a questions about how the fans felt about the team. Terry said he wasn’t worried about the fans opinions on how to manage the team and rather he is more concerned with taking care of the players in his club house. So I see now why Craig Calcaterra would call Francesa a clown, because by writing this poor article he has showed he is no where near the level of Mike Francesa and he should be writing for Perez Hilton or some other garbage tabloid site because he is trying to twist Terry’s words around to make it seem like he doesn’t care about the fans which could not be more false.

    • cur68 - May 15, 2013 at 10:03 AM

      This is a joke, right? Because if it isn’t, then Mike Francesa reads and comments on HBT.

      Hi Mike.

    • chill1184 - May 15, 2013 at 10:50 AM

      I figured one of Fatcesa’s drones would get his panties in a bunch because their god got called out. Difference between Craig and Fatcesa is that Craig criticizes his own team and will respond to legitimate criticism. Any time some WFAN caller disagrees with him, Fatcesa behaves like the pathetic liberal he is and 1. Talks over them constantly and much louder, 2. Hangs up on them or 3. Uses that he’s been doing radio for over 20 years.

      If it wasnt for Don Imus going to the national spot like, Fat Mike would just be another left wing ranting moron who knows nothing about sports.

      • djpostl - May 15, 2013 at 12:57 PM

        Since you can’t go three sentences without insulting “liberals” it’s pretty obvious you need to go back to Alex Jones, Red State or Breitbart (or whatever other website that caters to butthurt conervatards) and just talk about politics 24/7.

      • tuberippin - May 15, 2013 at 1:25 PM

        Hey man. There’s only ONE Fat Mike, and he plays bass for NOFX.

  7. DelawarePhilliesFan - May 15, 2013 at 9:34 AM

    “He was showboating when the team was down by a substantial margin. And while I don’t much care for pitchers hitting guys on purpose, baseball players all knew that Valdespin was out of line per their unwritten rules and the Mets were acting in accord with those rules.”

    Careful….you are coming very close to be old school.

    Besides – the Pirates did not hit him on purpose. Jim Leyland has already explained intentional plunkings have never happened

  8. randygnyc - May 15, 2013 at 9:42 AM

    And……he gone.

  9. manchestermiracle - May 15, 2013 at 9:54 AM

    I disagree with pretty much everything Collins said. Where does he think his paycheck comes from? Who does he think bankrolls the whole shebang? Talk about a detachment from reality. Your team isn’t doing well, Terry, and that’s a reflection on you as well as the players. But go ahead and try to deflect attention from that by acting as though the people who pay to see the team are ignorant hayseeds. As if the standings are difficult to figure out.

    • tuberippin - May 15, 2013 at 1:27 PM

      “Where does he think his paycheck comes from?”

      The Wilpons.

      “Who does he think bankrolls the whole shebang?”

      The banks that the Wilpons took loans from to keep from going under.

      Talk about a detachment from reality.d

  10. johnnyb1976 - May 15, 2013 at 10:11 AM

    Mets suck… Their 12 fans are in an uproar about what Collins said.get over it and think about the jets this season…. Oh wait.

    • chill1184 - May 15, 2013 at 11:10 AM

      Im a Steelers fan but I always laugh when Giants fans start chirping its quite cute. How did Mr. “Elite” do for you guys last season? Typical Giant fashion choking down the stretch? Just like Pats fans should be thanking Mo Lewis for their success, Giants fans should be thanking Tom Brady. The Overrated NY Giants look good when you competition is the Jets and the Buffalo Bills

      • imbetterthanyou - May 15, 2013 at 12:50 PM

        What do they call your mental condition? Apparently they give you free time and recess with internet access from 10:30-1.

      • tuberippin - May 15, 2013 at 1:28 PM

        You know this is a baseball site, right? No one fucking cares about football here.

      • jimeejohnson - May 15, 2013 at 8:48 PM

        imbetterthanyou : that’s great!

  11. dohpey28 - May 15, 2013 at 10:27 AM

    The guy you called a clown has been the best in his profession for 25 years. Whether you agree with him or disagree, show some respect. Anything else you just sound jealous.

    • chill1184 - May 15, 2013 at 11:12 AM

      With that logic all the career politicians in Washington DC should be experts in regards to the Constitution which isnt the case. Easy to be the “best” when the competition is poor to nonexistant.

    • djpostl - May 15, 2013 at 12:59 PM

      Lol. Jerry Springer was on TV longer, now tell me he is the epitome of journalism and broadcasting.

      “Nobody ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public.” – H. L. Mencken

    • jrobitaille23 - May 15, 2013 at 1:16 PM

      no I agree. Craig seems to like to rail on other writers and he often takes things out of context and his most egregious crime is that his opinion is usually hot garbage. But he continues to pen articles with catchy headlines which garners the most hits. He is the worst of everything he accuses other writers of.

      • tuberippin - May 15, 2013 at 1:57 PM

        “But he continues to pen articles with catchy headlines which garners the most hits”

        That’s half the job description for working at Pro(InsertSportHere)Talk or HBT.

  12. randygnyc - May 15, 2013 at 11:06 AM

    Chill- got to call you out on the fat shaming. Although we don’t care for each other much, I know you’re better than that. It’s one thing to crack on an overweight athlete who is paid (by us, btw) to be in shape, but otherwise, fat shouldn’t be mocked. Just substitute any other physical descriptor, like black, gay, etc and you’ll see why. I’ve let it pass the half dozen other times you’ve done it. We get it, you don’t like Mike. Make your case and move on.

    • jimeejohnson - May 15, 2013 at 8:51 PM

      No matter how much I joke about New Yawk, I am always reminded by comment like this of the intelligence NYers have, especially compared with the rest of the country, except west of I-5.

  13. gbar22 - May 15, 2013 at 11:11 AM

    I love how chill goes all out criticizing an overweight “liberal” commentator when the biggest heaviest blowhard of all resides firmly on the conservative them democrats takin my guns the global warming is a conspiracy Obama is a Muslim no a nazi no he’s from Africa oh an all dem der homosexuals don’t get me started right wing ala rush Limbaugh. Heck the three biggest overweight blowhards in America reside on the right if you throw in Karl rove and bill oreilly with rush.

    Anyways not really sure why Craig is going after francesa as he could have just made his point about Collins without going into mike as mike is not the story but clearly Craig has some inferiority complex to Francesa.

    • chill1184 - May 15, 2013 at 11:14 AM

      Oh I am aware of chickenhawk conservative losers like Micheal Savage, Rush Limbaugh and Bill O’Riely but your point falls flat when you realize that Im a libertarian. I loath conservatives, they’re just as hypocritical as the left.

  14. gbar22 - May 15, 2013 at 11:16 AM

    I should have used glen beck instead of rove but he’s so far out there in the stratosphere of crazy that he didn’t even register with me until after.

  15. gbar22 - May 15, 2013 at 11:22 AM

    Libertarian if I’m not mistaken looney bin senator rand Paul bats for your team. Yikes.

    • jimeejohnson - May 15, 2013 at 8:54 PM

      Nice.

  16. gsrider911 - May 15, 2013 at 12:18 PM

    What is being perceived as “showboating” by Valdespin was really just a typical bat throw done by ANY player. Go watch the video. He did nothing anywhere near as repulsive as what ManRam did and certain other HR hitters do on a consistent basis.

    • jrobitaille23 - May 15, 2013 at 1:20 PM

      yeah Collins is the clown. Valdespin has probably the second most talent as far as positional players go and he can’t get many at bats despite being able to play multiple positions. Instead Mets fans have to endure Davis and Baxter. His bat flip was pretty benign and was probably directed more at Collins for not playing him. I mean, how many times has Valdy hit HR as a pinch hitter or won games yet he can’t see the field? Collins won’t be managing next season.

    • sanzarq - May 15, 2013 at 6:41 PM

      I agree w/ gsrider. If Valdespin was “showboating” he did a pretty poor job of it. He could have stuck it to somebody way better than that. NFL players do it all the time. Only the egregious draw a flag, but you don’t see retribution for any of that crap.

      The pitcher that hit him the next day should have been thrown out of the game & suspended for intentionally hitting a batter. Everyone knows he did it intentionally. Give me a break.

      Collins is a PUSSY for not standing up for his player. If he doesn’t want him on the team, then get the Front Office to DFA him, otherwise back him up. I’m just a “fan” but I know I wouldn’t want to play for that ASSHOLE. And, BTW, the Mets SUCK!

      Go Braves.

  17. drewsylvania - May 15, 2013 at 12:34 PM

    Not a Terry Collins fan, but he’s a hero here. The fans that are complaining idiots need to stop being enabled.

  18. scoocha - May 15, 2013 at 1:56 PM

    I don’t know if any of you guys follow the NY papers but all of his teammates hate him. So, why would they stick up for him?

  19. sheriffpeyton18 - May 15, 2013 at 2:10 PM

    Another Jeff Loria.

  20. thesmedman - May 15, 2013 at 3:51 PM

    Channeling Lee Elia! lol

    Might’ve just pulled ahead of Scioscia on the death watch.

    Pretty stupid to say that – especially in New York. (He was a poor choice to begin with…)

    Say, how about a trade: Collins to California for Scioscia…(I know Collins was an Angel before…)

  21. thebadguyswon - May 15, 2013 at 4:21 PM

    I cannot wait until this D-bag idiot Collins is gone.

  22. bbk1000 - May 15, 2013 at 5:00 PM

    I remember Willie Randolph saying something similar when he was the manager of the Mets…You don’t need to be bright to manage in baseball….most fans could certainly do as good a job as Collins…..

    By saying “most” I think I insulted the fans….

    • jimeejohnson - May 15, 2013 at 8:57 PM

      Two words: Casey Stengel.

  23. chlstn - May 16, 2013 at 7:57 AM

    Even NY Mets fans don’t rag on NY Mets fans. This guy Collins can’t be too bright!

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