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Barry Bonds: Miguel Cabrera is the best … but not as good as me

May 21, 2013, 8:53 AM EDT

Barry Bonds

I’m not sure why anyone would find that sentiment, voiced by Barry Bonds to Bob Nightengale, to be controversial. But I imagine they will. Anyway, here were the Home Run King’s exact words about Miguel Cabrera:

“He’s definitely the best. It’s not rocket science here. He’s the best. By far. Without a doubt. The absolute best … I don’t try to compare me to anybody. I was the best on the field. I did more things than he did. My game was different than his game. So comparing him, to me, there’s no comparison. He doesn’t have my MVPs. He doesn’t have my numbers. Well, not yet, anyways. But does he have that ability? Yes, he does. Does he have that gift? Yes, he does.”

Again, this shouldn’t be a point of debate. As Aaron noted yesterday:

So, yeah.

There will always be a “best hitter in the game.” At the moment it’s Miguel Cabrera. For a while it was Albert Pujols. Manny Ramirez may have had a claim there for a few years. But when you’re talking about all-time accolades, you can’t avoid the fact that Barry Bonds walked the baseball earth for a couple of decades and out up mind-bending numbers.

Now, which of you will be the first to rush to the comments and tell us that he took performance enhancing drugs as if we were unaware of this fact and as if it totally obliterates all of Bonds’ accomplishments as opposed to merely your opinion of them and his personal morals and ethics?

119 Comments (Feed for Comments)
  1. malbrecht4 - May 21, 2013 at 1:19 PM

    …….Nothing to see here folks….

    What you’re seeing is the most talented player of his generation. He is also an egomaniacle azzwipe.

  2. basedrum777 - May 21, 2013 at 1:54 PM

    To act as if BB’s achievements aren’t/shouldn’t be ignored shows how bad of a baseball fan you are.

    • tuberippin - May 22, 2013 at 1:59 AM

      I see you’re new to the game of baseball. Allow me to clue you in: most major league ballplayers use PEDs.

  3. nbjays - May 21, 2013 at 2:27 PM

    Pre-1999 (i.e. pre steroids) Barry Bonds was a Hall of Famer. Unfortunately, that HoF-bound Bonds was trumped by Supreme Egomaniac Bonds, mainly because of McGwire and Sosa getting the accolades and love that he felt he should have gotten. And the rest, as they say, is history.

  4. bwheatie - May 21, 2013 at 2:39 PM

    All of you including the writer have missed the biggest problem with all of this. You can’t justifiably compare 42 games for Cabrera to 573 games for Bonds. I don’t like Bonds, never have but that is a very VERY improper comparison. Show me 42 games from either and lets those numbers talk.

    You can’t just use numbers when it is convenient.

    For the record: Cabrera won the Triple Crown. When did Bonds do that? Cabrera could do it again this season. Ill take Miguel any day over Barry.

    Use proper stats next time so we can put this guy to rest.

    • American of African Descent - May 21, 2013 at 2:59 PM

      You know that it’s generally easier to put up spectacular numbers for a short period of time (i.e., Cabrera’s quarter season), than a long period of time (i.e., Bonds’s three and a half seasons), right? Please tell me that you don’t vote.

      • bwheatie - May 21, 2013 at 3:38 PM

        I am fully aware. I am also aware that Bonds numbers are most likely much better in a 42 games period.

        Keep it to sports. No need to ever make it personal.

      • American of African Descent - May 21, 2013 at 4:07 PM

        So you agree that Bonds’s numbers are most likely better in a 42 game period as opposed to a 573 game period. Yet, you argue that one shouldn’t point to Bonds’s .349/.559/.809 line in those 573 games as evidence that he was better than Cabrera, who has put up a .387/.457/.659 line in 42 games?

        You can understand my issues with your analytical abilities, right?

      • dafern0560 - May 23, 2013 at 7:16 PM

        Dude, your Baseball knowledge is pathetic. Your opinions are driven by racial fanatism.

    • bajadon - May 21, 2013 at 5:05 PM

      Check out BB numbers in1993, if not for Galaraga qualifying for batting title with small amount of AB, BB numbers win triple crown, well before ped. Best hitter ever, 500 hr And 500 SB ever. Get over it

  5. yousuxxors - May 21, 2013 at 3:47 PM

    I love reading PED arguments

  6. mgflolox - May 21, 2013 at 7:39 PM

    I wonder if Barry Bonds’ attitude toward the media and public was due in part to growing up and seeing the crap his father had to put up with for having the unmitigated gall to not be Willie Mays.

    • tuberippin - May 22, 2013 at 2:00 AM

      I wonder how Willie Mays feels about all this.

  7. dafern0560 - May 21, 2013 at 9:23 PM

    Not even with all the steroids that he took, he wasn’t nearly as good of a hitter than Miguel Cabrera,

    • American of African Descent - May 21, 2013 at 10:25 PM

      I don’t understand all the thumbs up — that is not an English sentence.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - May 22, 2013 at 11:08 AM

        It’s batshit insane! Cabrera is in his 11th year, let’s just check out a comparison through their first 11 years:

        Bonds – .288/.404/.548 – 161 OPS+; 334 HR, 333 2B, 51 3B, 1082B/871K
        Cabrera – .320/.396/.564 – 152 OPS+; 333 HR, 398 2B, 14 3B, 731B/1131K

        Bonds had already won 3 MVPs, and if we just look at his most recent 5 years vs Cabrera’s most recent 5 years, the splits become:

        Bonds – .312/.448/.628 – 190 OPS+
        Cabrera – .335/.417/.595 – 168 OPS+

        ~30 Pts in OBP and ~30 Pts in SLG; it’s not even close how much better Bonds was.

  8. t205cobb - May 21, 2013 at 10:29 PM

    Bonds cheated and took steroids. His opinion means nothing!

    • tuberippin - May 22, 2013 at 2:23 AM

      I hope your user handle isn’t related to Ty Cobb (and his T206 card). If so, that’s painfully ironic. Ty Cobb was one of the more notorious cheats and all-around pieces of shit in the history of the game.

      * He was a virulent racist. He refused to travel to Cuba with the rest of the Tigers on a barnstorming tour because he felt that the place of “darkies is in the stands or as clubhouse help.”
      * He beat up a disabled fan in the stands. The guy had two fingers on one hand and no hand on the other arm. When people yelled for him to stop because the man had no hands, Cobb stated, “I don’t care if he has no feet!”
      * His racism boiled over into violence in 1909, when he cut a black hotel watchman with a knife in Cleveland, Ohio.
      * Two years prior, he beat up a black groundskeeper in Detroit over the field quality, and then choked the guy’s wife when she attempted to stop Cobb
      * He bet on baseball and allegedly fixed at least a few games with Tris Speaker in 1919.
      * He sharpened his metal spikes so that they would dig into the legs of fielders, making it easier for him to steal bases.
      * He beat his wife regularly.
      * After Ty Cobb Jr. failed out of Princeton, the elder Cobb traveled to New Jersey to whip his son for failing.

      Outstanding ballplayer. One of the greatest to ever place his feet onto a baseball field, even though he couldn’t field at all (most errors in AL history as an outfielder). Yet we forgive him for his transgressions, even cheating the game itself, because he was so good. The same should apply for Bonds, who was far less of a scummy human being, even though he’s one of the most egotistical players of the modern era.

      • grumpyoleman - May 22, 2013 at 2:40 PM

        I fail to see one thing on your list that bumped up his numbers on the field unlike Parade Float Head Barry Bonds.

      • tuberippin - May 22, 2013 at 2:56 PM

        You need to study Ty Cobb a bit more then. Without going into further detail, the sharpening of his cleats padded his steals totals.

        But I could argue this nonsense forever. It’s asinine to me that we accept older ballplayers forms of cheating but we make a specific case against Bonds for a modern form of it. Mickey Mantle takes an early steroid cocktail in 1961 and he’s a national hero; Barry Bonds takes steroids and he’s the ultimate cartoon villain.

      • grumpyoleman - May 22, 2013 at 4:07 PM

        If the spikes were that big of an issue the players should have taken care of that problem themselves. I don’t deny that he probably did it but the first time would have been the last time.

      • tuberippin - May 22, 2013 at 5:08 PM

        False. People were afraid of Cobb because of his violent streak. In 1926, the player supposed to testify against Cobb and Tris Speaker in court (Dutch Leonard) over their gambling and potentially throwing games in September 1919 refused to do so specifically because he feared Cobb would do him physical harm for testifying. So I don’t agree that players would have necessarily “taken care of that problem themselves.”

        Moreover, Cobb admitted to sharpening his spikes throughout his playing career. He would do it from a spot in the Tigers’ dugout where opposing infielders could see him doing it, to add fear to the reality of the situation. So I don’t know where you’re getting this notion that he’d only do it once before players set him straight.

        My entire point is that the conception of what constitutes cheating changes with the times. Ty Cobb was a cheater, and one of the dirtiest players in the history of the game, during the dead-ball era. The Yankees moved fences in so Ruth would hit more HRs. Mickey Mantle took a steroid-amphetamine cocktail to try and keep pace with Maris in 1961. Most of the great players of the 60s and 70s abused any and all drugs available, especially amphetamines/greenies. Players have corked their bats for decades. Players have doctored the ball since the game’s inception, and a number of them are in the HOF (most notably Gaylord Perry).

        Cobb cheated, Bonds cheated. Most great players have to get an upper hand one way or another. Baseball fans are just very capricious when it comes to selecting players to strongly dislike.

  9. bigkattruthserum - May 22, 2013 at 11:38 AM

    Bonds may have been the best ever. However, the whole taking PEDs negates EVERYTHING he did on the field. There is no way to justify the indignities he and others did to the game. We aren’t talking about pine tar or corked bats. His very physical makeup was enhanced beyond his natural state. He was a cartoon. Comparing him to bugs bunny is more relevant.

  10. philzblog - May 23, 2013 at 6:16 AM

    I saw the Willies, Mickey, Roy Sievers….Barry was easily the best. NOBODY was more feared at the plate…NOBODY!

    End of story.

    • natej725 - May 29, 2013 at 1:07 AM

      would u have said that without the last 8 years of bonds subhuman baseball career after he cheated the game and made a mockery of the record books, bonds was already a hall of famer before he took the roids he was 500 hr guy maybe even 600 but he wasn’t the all time hr king sorry but ken Griffey jr was better than him and I say that easily he would have soared past hank Aarons hr record if it weren’t for his legs betraying him in the second half of his career not to mention willy mays who was also better

  11. stercuilus65 - May 24, 2013 at 4:03 AM

    ” Now, which of you will be the first to rush to the comments and tell us that he took performance enhancing drugs as if we were unaware of this fact and as if it totally obliterates all of Bonds’ accomplishments as opposed to merely your opinion of them and his personal morals and ethics? ”

    Lord what a pontificating assclown. Do you ever get tired of doing what you always rush to accuse others of you hypocrite?

  12. busterandbarry - May 24, 2013 at 1:49 PM

    It strikes me that 1) It is highly unlikely that anyone on this list of commentors knows Bonds well enough to determine that he is either an egomaniac or an “azzhole.” 2) That people choose to single out one form of cheating over another to satisfy their own preciously held perception of the integrity of the game. I heard a sports writer dicount Clay Bucholz’s alleged doctoring of the baseball because he determined that it was more a case of gamesmanship than cheating. This is clearly and completely subjective. So far as I know the only authority that determines whether an activity is cheating or not is the official rule book. Hank Aaron and many others of his era used performance enhancing amphetamines. Gaylord Perry threw spit balls and didn’t even hide the fact. I don’t see anyone on this list with the authority to determine which forms of cheating really counted as cheating and which one’s were only innocent mischief.

  13. callmeseth - May 25, 2013 at 8:48 AM

    Why do people think Barry is/was a jerk? I explore this question on my stupid blog, http://callmeseth.wordpress.com/. I say stupid because I am not a blog guy. And I was gonna write it here, but it got really long and I don’t think comments should have paragraphs.

  14. biggjonn75 - May 26, 2013 at 12:44 AM

    Bonds is the best player that ever lived. A great fielder. Fast. Power. Average. The only one that can compare is Griffey Jr. and he got old quick.

    He is an Azz. So was Wade Boggs. Reggie Jackson. So was Frank Robinson. Bill Russell. Bobby Layne. Ted Williams. Ty Cobb. Did he take steroids? Of course he did. Did Aaron take speed … Of course he did. Did Stargell do coke … odf course he did. If we look paste all of the athletes human frailties the only Hall of Famer are Tebow and Lou Gehrig … and Tebow sucks.

    • natej725 - May 29, 2013 at 12:56 AM

      biggjonn bonds is not the greatest player that ever lived ken Griffey jr was much better than him in all fazes of the game besides stealing bases, he was a more pure hitter a better power hitter a better fielder, his legs betraid him in the second half of his career that is the only reason he didn’t pass aaron on the all time list, bonds longevity was completely aided by the roids and allowed him to hang on long enough to eventually pass hank, and that’s just a player from his own era that was better than him not to mention willy mays better hank aaron better babe ruth better ted Williams better mickey mantle better and Miguel Cabrera is a better pure hitter than bonds, also barry was constant no show in the playoffs and in his teams biggest moments came up small, bonds was arrogant and then he was jealous of other players stealing his spotlight he lost respect when he cheated to pump his statistics in the last 8 years of his career but you believe what u want

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