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HBT Daily: The Phillies should sell at the deadline

May 24, 2013, 12:30 PM EDT

Hey, Kay asked me buy or sell, I gave my answer.

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  1. tycobbfromfangraphs - May 24, 2013 at 12:36 PM

    Incoming indignant response froma Phillie fan in 3, 2, 1

    • heyblueyoustink - May 24, 2013 at 12:57 PM

      Incoming indignant response.

      There, now, moving on….

    • ryanrockzzz - May 24, 2013 at 2:10 PM

      Yes 1…that’s how many games the Phillies sit behind the Nationals. So certainly the discussion in the second month of the season should be how everyone feels the Phillies should sell. It’s all because they don’t have the will to win.

      • tycobbfromfangraphs - May 24, 2013 at 2:11 PM

        lol

    • thomas844 - May 24, 2013 at 3:00 PM

  2. proudlycanadian - May 24, 2013 at 12:39 PM

    I have to agree with Craig regarding Girardi. Girardi is a more likely explanation than my guess that the Yankees have made a pact with the Devil.

    • cur68 - May 24, 2013 at 12:47 PM

      League Of Bald Gentlemen In Glasses (Lex Luthor President For Life) will be sending Craig hatemail for this one, but yeah, it really is Joe G. He’s done what no manager has done in 5 years: got Vernon Wells not to suck. S’more, there’s a player named “Nix” on that team and the team STILL doesn’t suck. Don’t get me started in on Lyle/Bay. Really man, hat tip to Girardi. There MUST be some magic in that Ole Pin Striped Uniform.

  3. liamj55 - May 24, 2013 at 12:40 PM

    I would do whatever Kay asked as well…

  4. thomas844 - May 24, 2013 at 12:52 PM

    I’ve heard a couple of rumors about Cliff Lee being a half season rental for the Indians if they are still in contention and the Phillies keep struggling at the deadline. It would be interesting to see him back in a Cleveland uniform plus it would give them a huge upgrade in the team’s Achilles Heel (their starting rotation).

    A Lee-Masterson one-two punch is just what the Indians need to compete with the Tigers in the division or at least grab a Wild Card spot if the Tigers end up running away with the Central. Also, I’m sure Lee would appreciate pitching for a team that can put up a lot of runs on the board for him.

  5. seanmk - May 24, 2013 at 12:58 PM

    is Atlanta some sort of juggernaut? they played the reeling dodgers and twins. it’s too early for buy/sell. the nats are playing just as bad

  6. hisgirlgotburrelled - May 24, 2013 at 1:10 PM

    You can call it an illusion all you want, but wins are wins, and runs scored are runs scored, and the Phillies are actually, in reality, just 1 win behind the Nats… They play this weekend so that will change in one way or another.

    As much as I’d love them to stop signing bullshit fill-ins and try and get young talent, it’s just not going to be a discussion until July. They’re in it, sort of. With their schedule through June it looks like they’ll still be hanging around in July. 7 games before the all star break at home vs ATL and WAS. That point is most likely the point that determines their buy or sell status.

    But even with the selling, what could you do? If you look at the roster and the contracts, who could you sell and get value in return?… To keep it brief, keep Lee, and I think the best value you could get in return would be for Papelbon.

  7. DelawarePhilliesFan - May 24, 2013 at 1:18 PM

    “The Giants need to write the season off” – July 7, 2010

    http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/02/hbt-daily-easily-my-most-embarrassing-moment-on-video-ever/

    Here’s hoping come November, this video gets added to the list ;)

  8. schmedley69 - May 24, 2013 at 1:30 PM

    Andy Martino had a good piece in the NY Daily News today. He talked to a lot of scouts, and none of them believe in the Braves. They all think that the Nats will win the division. So, if we get to the trade deadline, and the Nats are still struggling and the only thing standing between the Phillies and the division title is the Braves, then you don’t sell. With the Braves poor character and history of collapsing down the stretch, I would like my chances.

    And even if the Phillies are hopelessly out of at the deadline, who would get you great value in a trade? Cliff Lee was traded 3 times when he was younger and cheaper, and none of the prospects that he was traded for has amounted to jack squat, and probably never will. Trading proven talent for prospects is like spending a million dollars on lottery tickets, hoping that you win 2 million. More than likely you’ll end up broke. The Phillies aren’t hurting for cash. Unless someone completely blows them away with an offer for Cliff Lee, you keep him, re-tool the offense in the off-season, and hope for better days next season. Trading Cliff Lee for another team’s organizational trash makes no sense.

  9. laces0ut - May 24, 2013 at 2:51 PM

    Could not agree with this more. It’s time.

  10. mikedi33 - May 24, 2013 at 2:55 PM

    1983 phillies and many other examples can be cited not to sell. 1983 Phils were way older than current ones and struggling just as much. They fired their manager.Then in Sept the experience helped and they caught fire and got to the world Series. Everyone knew coming into the season the gameplan was to give this group one last chance and then retool after the season so I would continue that way.

    • brendanloper - May 24, 2013 at 5:34 PM

      i really dont want the phils to be sellers and keep trying to find reasons why they wont be. there’s a chance that the looming TV deal may keep them as contenders and buyers. if only to keep tv ratings afloat.

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