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Dusty Baker wants players to start fighting and stop cursing

May 28, 2013, 10:47 AM EDT

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Dusty Baker is a tough guy to get a handle on.

Yesterday the Reds manager dove head-first into the Johnny CuetoMatt Garza feud by saying that he thinks players should settle disputes by locking themselves in a room and fighting until “somebody hits the ground.”

Then later in the same afternoon he publicly criticized his team’s best player, Joey Votto, for using curse words after striking out. John Fay of the Cincinnati Enquirer writes:

Baker wasn’t happy with Votto’s outburts.

“I understand (his frustration),” Baker said. “I have a son that idolizes him. Sometimes an open display of displeasure is not a good example, whether you come through or not later. Joey is the face of baseball. I’d like to see him temper it a little bit.”

So swearing is a no-no because “I have a son that idolizes him” and it’s “not a good example” but suggesting that two baseball players go into a room and beat each other up to settle an on-field issue is a great idea. I’m sure there’s some “old-school” reasoning for why naughty words are terrible and violence is wonderful, but the juxtaposition within the same afternoon sure seems odd.

  1. cur68 - May 28, 2013 at 10:54 AM

    Ah, Dusty. The logical disconnects of your philosophical constructs elude you still, eh?

    Its real simple, Brah:
    -Cuss all you like and no one gets hurt, least of all the millionaire ballplayers in MLB’s employ.

    -Get into a fight and watch millions in salary ride pine with various injury.

    Yeah, it really is that simple.

    Now, dang you, sir. Dang you to heck.

    • historiophiliac - May 28, 2013 at 11:38 AM

      Thank you for saying “cuss.” I really don’t care for “curse.” It’s so hard on the ears.

    • stlouis1baseball - May 28, 2013 at 11:45 AM

      Thank you for saying “dang you to heck.” I never tire of seeing it and it never fails to make me chuckle. On a separate note: Our friend Metalhead has been none-existent since the ban was lifted. I see him on CBT and PBT from time to time but I think he has only posted here once since the ban was lifted.

      • cur68 - May 28, 2013 at 11:54 AM

        Probably here under an alias. It was rife with idiots ’round here yesterday. At least one of them sounded like him.

    • indaburg - May 28, 2013 at 12:12 PM

      His logic is truly dizzying. I’d rather vent by dropping an eff bomb than be the asshole who ends someone’s career by punching them in the head, but those are my silly liberal ethics.

      • cur68 - May 28, 2013 at 12:27 PM

        Anyone who thinks fighting is cool in baseball is out of their stupid heads. These guys can’t fight. They have no basis or training in it and they have real sharp cleats on their feet. Tailor made recipe for injury.

        I grew up with hockey fights. I’m missing part of my right eyebrow from one and have a divot in my forehead that lead to another one. In both cases (the sum total of my hockey fighting days) I wish it hadn’t come to fighting. We just got hurt worse (to this day, the knuckles on my right hand ache in the cold) and it solved nothing. Its even stupider when the most talented, pro guys, fight. They’ll get injured and that’ll be that for the season.

        Anyone who thinks its a “good for the game” doesn’t have to live with the injuries.

  2. hitdog042 - May 28, 2013 at 10:55 AM

    All the coke he did in the 70s killed some serious brain cells

  3. vallewho - May 28, 2013 at 10:55 AM

    DB is full of $hit.

  4. innout10 - May 28, 2013 at 11:09 AM

    Baker is a goof but what hes saying is simple… In hockey, guys are accountable for their actions because they know if they take cheap shots or play dirty that they will have to answer the bell in a fight… Some guys act tough and like to talk but would get dusted in a fight so what he’s saying is if you are tough enough to talk then don’t be afraid to drop the gloves and we will see how tough u really are. Obviously putting 2 guys in a room isn’t the way to do it but I sure would like to see some of these guys who run their mouths be held accountable

    • malbrecht4 - May 28, 2013 at 11:19 AM

      Hockey fights are part of the show.

    • historiophiliac - May 28, 2013 at 11:39 AM

      Hockey Talk is a different blog. This one here is about baseball.

      • stlouis1baseball - May 28, 2013 at 2:03 PM

        Yep. We be…”gettin’ our Rage on” Philiac. Seems to be a lot of that over the last couple of days. I miss HBT for a few days and the self-professed “long time readers” start suddenly becoming “first time moronic posters.”

      • historiophiliac - May 28, 2013 at 2:09 PM

        You are right about that. Holiday drinkers, I think.

      • historiophiliac - May 28, 2013 at 2:10 PM

        PS I think it’s a special badge of honor if you annoy them so badly that they finally log in after all these years just to tell you how terrible you are. Now that’s winning.

    • stlouis1baseball - May 28, 2013 at 11:47 AM

      You can apologize for him all you want 10. But what you just posted makes sense.
      Dusty…NEVER (under any circumstances)…make sense. Perhaps they should have someone such as yourself serve as his PR rep. This would help him (and the Redlegs) a great deal.

  5. chacochicken - May 28, 2013 at 11:18 AM

    Something tells me that Joey Votto swearing and clogging up the base path is the least of Dusty’s son’s worries.

    • paperlions - May 28, 2013 at 1:18 PM

      Simple solution, wider base paths will allow the free movement of runners without those annoying clogs. Alternatively, you could use some Liquid Hit-N-Run-O to clear any clogs.

  6. Old Gator - May 28, 2013 at 11:24 AM

    Well there you are, Judge Poop. Youth here doesn’t seem to know about the disappearance of the Old School.

  7. spudchukar - May 28, 2013 at 11:28 AM

    Here is where Dusty quotes Emerson, and his hobgoblins.

  8. bengalsucker - May 28, 2013 at 11:32 AM

    Just goes to show that everyone took Dusty’s comments about fighting completely out of context. I can’t stand Dusty Baker but I see what he was saying. He was calling Garza out for being a b**** and going to media to talk stuff to Cueto. When in fact, it wasn’t even justified. DeJesus was laughing about the warning. Even he knew Cueto wasn’t meaning to throw at him. Then obviously the ump’s warning went unheard because Hannigan got thrown at near his head and Choo got plunked later in the game and nothing happened. So I’m assuming the ump even knew his warning was stupid. Garza needs to chill and go hang with his cholo buddy Molina. Both of them fly off the hinges about dumb shit. Just waiting on Grandpa Gecko to come in here spouting off with his nonsense.

    • stlouis1baseball - May 28, 2013 at 11:51 AM

      How many times do I have to tell you?
      Your. Boy. Is. Not. Mexican.

      If you are going to attempt to talk smack…it works out better for you if you remember the details. Otherwise, you are proven to be a “not very good at shit talking Dicksmack.”

      • bengalsucker - May 28, 2013 at 11:56 AM

        Aww taking offense to what I have to say? Brandon Phillips was right about both Cardinals players and fans. Whiney bit****. Cueto defended himself by kicked (he is a pitcher and sure isn’t going to use his hands in a fight. lol) and he’s a thug. Yet Molina started the fight and he’s perfectly justified right? Quit dodging blame. If Molina wasn’t such a punk, the fight wouldn’t have happened. Plain and simple. If you want to fight every time someone calls you a whiney b**** then you’re a child. Exactly what Molina is. A blowhard child. And now Garza is acting the same way.

      • Old Gator - May 28, 2013 at 12:01 PM

        I don’t recall anyone defending Molina. I think he got away with it because Cueto’s behavior was so atrocious by any hominid standard that Molina’s quotidian pugnacity was buried in the brouhaha.

    • chacochicken - May 28, 2013 at 12:01 PM

      Cueto did repeatedly kick a fallen man in the head. Regardless of intent, for the remainder of his career he will never ever get the benefit of the doubt. As for context, Dusty thinks they should literally fight rather than stretch potential hostilities back in to the field. Treat that as opinion. Grandpa Gecko is worth a couple of points though.

      • junglerat524 - May 28, 2013 at 12:29 PM

        “Cueto did repeatedly kick a fallen man in the head.” – False

        Molina didn’t start the fight. It was just a bunch of jawing back & forth until Carpenter & Rolen started going at it.

      • Old Gator - May 28, 2013 at 12:43 PM

        Study jungletoon’s logical syntax carefully, boys and girls. Keep a bottle of children’s Aleve handy for when the headaches set in.

      • forsch31 - May 28, 2013 at 12:49 PM

        Cueto started bicycle-kicking Chris Carpenter and Jason LaRue in the back during that brawl. LaRue turned and got kicked in the head several times, winding up with a concussion that ended his career. That’s fact.

      • Old Gator - May 28, 2013 at 12:56 PM

        We all know that, Forsch. Jungleputz comes from an alternate dimension where it never happened. A secret North Korean nuclear test perforated the brane in cyberspace between it and our dimension, allowing his posts to appear here. He’ll probably disappear with the next major sunspot cycle.

      • junglerat524 - May 28, 2013 at 1:02 PM

        You said he repeatedly kicked a fallen man in the head. Watch the video again. Or would you & the old lizard just like to keep jerking each other off?


      • Old Gator - May 28, 2013 at 1:19 PM

        Carefully selected video in which you can’t really see what the little thug is doing, except that his upper body is twitching on the margin of the crowd. Among idiots, that kind of obvious selectivity passes for clever. We do know, however, from multiple sources that Larue was lying there receiving the benefit of Cueto’s misfiring medulla (unless Junglejerk would like us to believe that his head caved in due to atmospheric pressure differentials).

        I suppose the greatest photographer since Ansel Adams would like us to believe that his lame attempts at both semantic and photographic sleight-of-hand would play any better on a working day than they did on a holiday.


      • junglerat524 - May 28, 2013 at 1:31 PM

        Carefully selected video. LOL!!!

      • Old Gator - May 28, 2013 at 1:56 PM

        Okay, you got me there. It was, of course, selected with your usual clumsy disregard of reality.

      • junglerat524 - May 28, 2013 at 2:05 PM

        Did you forget to take your Alzheimers meds this morning? Because you certainly have no idea what you are talking about. Or is that par for the course with you?

      • historiophiliac - May 28, 2013 at 2:28 PM

        Wow, is it rat time again already?

      • Old Gator - May 28, 2013 at 3:28 PM

        Always, when this clown comes to town. And they let this profane, sniggering dimwit work with kids? Well, I guess Cur probably nailed it yesterday – you look at the aversion to logic and realty, his sidelong way of approaching arguments without ever really engaging them, and you have to wonder if you can believe anything he says – except, maybe, that he has a crush on thugs.

      • junglerat524 - May 28, 2013 at 4:14 PM

        Hey old dude. What size do you want?

      • Old Gator - May 28, 2013 at 5:28 PM

        As I said, you can believe in his crush on thugs. Try and imagine the mindset of someone who thinks that’s funny, even if you didn’t grow up in a trailer park.

      • WhenMattStairsIsKing - May 28, 2013 at 5:41 PM

        Fighting is asinine, childish and a waste of time & energy. I know sports are a highly competitive atmosphere but be an adult and handle your anger professionally. Dusty’s an idiot.

      • junglerat524 - May 29, 2013 at 2:24 PM

        To be fair in the end. Yes, maybe Cueto might have kicked his way out of his safe zone but to be fair LaRues career was already over. And to suggest that Cueto was responsible for that is at the least idiotic. Go back & watch the fight I posted earlier again. At the end when players are milling around does it look like LaRue (#21 BTW) was in pain? Typical response from idiots who stray beyond what they know.

    • stlouis1baseball - May 28, 2013 at 12:10 PM

      Am I taking offense at something you said? Pffft…don’t flatter yourself. You aren’t good enough to make me take offense at anything. I am just a fan of basing things on fact. As opposed to looking at things with ‘Redlegs colored glasses.” Molina? Hahaha! Your shit talking 2nd Baseman started everything. Running his mouth (surprise!)…to local media no less than 12 hours prior to game time. Your boy did exactly what he was supposed to do…protect (and stand up for) his team. Again…like a great Catcher is supposed to do. Is essence…don’t run your cocksucker then greet me at the plate like we are homeboys with that lame ass shin tap. Again…he did exactly what he should have done. Something you would (should) expect from your Catcher. Your little brother syndrome is nauseating.

      • historiophiliac - May 28, 2013 at 1:31 PM


    • kylewo - May 28, 2013 at 4:34 PM

      So Garza was a b**** for going to the media, and Phillips was “right”. Got it.

  9. randygnyc - May 28, 2013 at 11:40 AM

    Ignorant man has ignorant ideals. Who would’ve guessed?

  10. largebill - May 28, 2013 at 11:46 AM

    So is Dusty saying he thinks Swisher should have charged the mound and beat the crap out of Chapman yesterday? Hard to read between his ever shifting lines.

    • bengalsucker - May 28, 2013 at 11:59 AM

      What reason would Chapman have to throw at Swisher? It was obviously a pitch he lost control on. He was overthrowing. That was obvious bc he put one 5 ft over the catcher into the backstop just the pitch before that. He had no reason to be throwing at anyone there. I get where Swisher is a little riled because he just had a 100mph ball coming at his head but it wasn’t at all intentional. And no, Dusty wouldn’t have condoned Swisher going at Chapman. Now if Swisher would have gone to the media talking stuff and hadn’t said anything to Chapman on the field, then Dusty should have and would have called him out for being a chump. Just like Garza.

      • cardslifer - May 28, 2013 at 12:32 PM

        I just think he like a few other select Reds players and manager are just too dumb to realize the situation.


      • takemytalentstosoutheuclid - May 28, 2013 at 4:44 PM

        He had no reason, other than being a d-bag. It was pretty clear he was trying to drill Swisher. The first pitch was over Shisher’s head by a few feet, not over the plate, but over the box. The second missed his head by inches. No way that dude misses twice in a row like that.

        We’ll see how long it takes McAllister to throw one in Votto’s ear hole today..

  11. thomas844 - May 28, 2013 at 11:52 AM

    Okay seriously, what’s with all the Dusty hate lately? His comments on Garza were obviously tongue-in-cheek and were meant to show Garza’s willingness to talk trash when he isn’t actually going to do anything. Of course Dusty doesn’t expect Garza to come and fight anyone. And his comments about Votto were more about openly being frustrated in front of EVERYONE rather than taking it to the clubhouse in private or something. No one wants to see a player act like a child after striking out and the National League’s best player is no exception.

    • Old Gator - May 28, 2013 at 12:53 PM

      For the last few years, if not longer, most of the “hate” raining down on Dusty’s venerable old head – the one with the toothpick sticking out of it – has been coming from Cincinnati fans (and before that Cubs fans, when he dipped his toe in the contaminated zone that star-crossed team inhabits). He wears out his pitchers. His strategies are lame. He doesn’t know how to win, ad infinitum. It’s fascinating to watch Reds fans rally to his defense – as if to say “hey, he’s our manager, and we can criticize him. You can’t.” Ah well. I just remember that there was once a pretty damned good ballplayer named Dusty Baker and a manager of the year winner multiple times, and leave it at that. If he said something dumb, that wouldn’t be what distinguished him from the rest of us.

      • thomas844 - May 28, 2013 at 1:48 PM

        Plenty of managers get hate from their own fans, but my point is if there is one article, that’s one thing, but there has been at least three articles recently bashing him when I don’t believe he said anything that bad.

        He wears out pitchers? You’re just repeating everything that every misinformed baseball “fan” says about him. The Reds were the only team last year not to have a starting pitcher injured in the regular season. Meanwhile, teams like the Cardinals and Rays have had key pitchers get hurt. So if Dusty wears out arms, what does that say about the other managers?

        His strategies are lame? Based on whose judgement? Yours? Because he set up a perfectly executed a suicide squeeze this past weekend that won the game for the Reds. Maybe do some research before being a parrot that repeats what everyone else tries to say about Dusty.

      • Old Gator - May 28, 2013 at 2:04 PM

        You didn’t read what I wrote, did you? Read it again – with an attempt at comprehension this time – and note that I’m defending Dusty, and listing the usual old complaints because they were the usual old complaints.

        But re-read it after looking up “context” (as in “context, context, context”) and “irony” in the well-worn pocket dictionary you doubtless carry around with you wherever you go.

  12. knowlegeforyou - May 28, 2013 at 12:17 PM

    I believe locked room is behind closed doors and cursing after a strikeout is on national TV. I don’t see what is so hard to grasp

  13. drone501 - May 28, 2013 at 12:32 PM

    dusty had some serious health issues last year. he should loghten up.

  14. drone501 - May 28, 2013 at 12:33 PM

    lighten up

  15. largebill - May 28, 2013 at 12:45 PM

    Go away. Just go away.

    • largebill - May 28, 2013 at 12:46 PM

      Go ahead and delete my “go away” comment above. I was replying to the racist nonsense someone else posted that has since been deleted.

      • stlouis1baseball - May 28, 2013 at 2:08 PM


  16. rickymason - May 28, 2013 at 12:52 PM

    Are Dusty and Yogi one of the same??? IN Chicago we put up with the nut Dusty and his dumb talk a lot..

  17. jm91rs - May 28, 2013 at 1:19 PM

    I don’t think you need to take two seemingly conflicting statements about fighting and cussing and tie them together, there’s no reason he can’t like fighting and hate cussing. I personally like cussing and hate fighting, I don’t feel conflicted over that at all.

  18. stlouis1baseball - May 28, 2013 at 2:01 PM

    “I personally like cussing and hate fighting, I don’t feel conflicted over that at all.”

    But honestly jm…you don’t “like” cussing. Who truly “likes” cussing? A Sailor? Andrew Dice Clay?
    George Carlin?

    In this case…it’s just Dusty sort of contradicting himself. Personally, I find humor in it/him.
    He typically makes me ‘COL’ (that’s my new acronym for “Chuckling Out Loud.”)

    • jm91rs - May 28, 2013 at 2:12 PM

      I never understood that sailor thing. My Grandpa was as clean cut clean mouthed as you could be and he spent 30 years on various ships in the Navy. I don’t actually like cussing, and if my son or daughter were with me and we were close enough to hear Votto cuss I’d cringe. I don’t really don’t see a contradiction as I think cussing and fighting are two completely different things. One does not lead to the other, though neither should be done by a grown man on the job.

      Dusty makes me COL a lot, but it’s usually his in game decisions, not his words with the media.

      • stlouis1baseball - May 28, 2013 at 2:47 PM

        I think the contradiction seems to imply he is concerned about image (comments about Votto cursing)…yet…just prior to that he openly endorsed the Garza vs. Cueto wild card bout. A definite contradiction for someone who is concerned about image…young kids idolizing players, etc… We are good jm. Don’t know if you saw my post…but I gave you props for trying to restore a semblance of order when things got out of hand over the long holiday weekend. As Philiac said…most likely Holiday drinkers.

    • historiophiliac - May 28, 2013 at 3:31 PM

      I like cussing.

  19. creek0512 - May 28, 2013 at 4:24 PM

    People are still trying to figure out Dusty?

  20. TurkeyJoeJones - May 28, 2013 at 4:52 PM

    Perhaps Mr. Baker should get better control of his players (namely Chapman) if he is going to cry about cussing and fighting. Swisher handled it well. If Chapman does it again, I do not blame someone for charging the mound.

  21. Bruce Gerencser - May 28, 2013 at 10:29 PM

    The swearing by Votto is a non-issue. He did it, it happens, end of story. It is fanciful thinking to think players don’t curse. Kinda like a war movie where none of the soldiers swear. That’s real. :)

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