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HBT Daily: What’s up with Chris Davis?

May 30, 2013, 1:30 PM EDT

And I want to apologize in advance for Kay talking about Derek Jeter “having a catch.” Only in strange enclaves of the east coast do people “have a catch.” Everyone else in the world “plays catch.” Thank you.

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  1. jeffchadwick - May 30, 2013 at 1:33 PM

    Why do you hate Field of Dreams so much?

    “Dad, you want to have a catch?” Strange enclaves of the East Coast = Iowa?

    • sleepyirv - May 30, 2013 at 3:09 PM

      W.P Kinsella is from Canada and Hollywood producers are bi-costal types. So I don’t think either really know how Midwesterners talk.

      • jeffchadwick - May 30, 2013 at 3:30 PM

        My post was (mostly) tongue-in-cheek, but you are correct.

  2. dowhatifeellike - May 30, 2013 at 1:54 PM

    Chris Davis learned to hit a breaking ball. His whiff and K rate are down tremendously.

    • psuorioles - May 30, 2013 at 3:53 PM

      Agreed… he also learned to stay off the ones in the dirt, that are lowering his K rate.

    • sneschalmers - May 30, 2013 at 11:29 PM

      No thanks to Jobu. Chris Davis had to do it himself.

  3. tycobbfromfangraphs - May 30, 2013 at 1:56 PM

    Did you call Tex a “Superstar” ? You said the Yankees need their Superstars back, just after talking about Tex….I know you want a do over on that one Craig.

    Actually, its 2013, calling any Yankee a “Super Star” is a stretch at this point.
    I’m going to offer up “Veteran ‘star’ players” and leave it at that.

  4. cocheese000 - May 30, 2013 at 1:57 PM

    Davis is incredibly strong. Why are people from Texas very strong?

  5. vallewho - May 30, 2013 at 2:20 PM

    Reminds me of Melky

  6. paperlions - May 30, 2013 at 2:27 PM

    It is only 2 months, but over that 2 months, Davis has been the greatest offensive force in the majors…and there really isn’t a close 2nd.

    • bbgraf08 - May 30, 2013 at 2:45 PM

      Miguel Cabrera would disagree

      • paperlions - May 30, 2013 at 4:49 PM

        He can disagree all he wants, he’ll still be wrong. Why do people hate facts? If your favorite player hasn’t been the best player over a 2 month stretch, why is that so hard to acknowledge? Even when it is so obvious?

        Davis: .447 OBP, .766 SLG, .495 wOBA, 215 wRC+
        Cabrera: .444 OBP, .656 SLG, .462 wOBA, 193 wRC+

      • youknowwhatsgoodforshoulderpain - May 30, 2013 at 4:53 PM

        paperlions, you said “and there really isn’t a close 2nd“….right before you provided a close second via stats listings of Cabrera. Just saying.

      • paperlions - May 30, 2013 at 5:20 PM

        That actually isn’t that close….22 pts of wRC+ is a LOT…as is .110 pts of slugging….those are the differences between Cabrera and Choo (for wRC+) and Cabrera and Mitch Moreland (for SLG)….unless you saying that Choo and Moreland are “close” to as productive as Cabrera…but, you aren’t saying that…are you?

      • erbaodai - May 31, 2013 at 2:44 PM

        If you like stats so much then I will use the king of all stats for you nerds: the holy WAR:

        Miguel Cabrera oWAR: 3.5
        Chris Davis oWAR: 3.3

        There, plain and simple, Cabrera is more valuable offensively.

      • bbgraf08 - Jun 5, 2013 at 11:57 AM

        You said there isn’t a close 2nd.

        You are wrong.

    • historiophiliac - May 30, 2013 at 3:38 PM

      Stick a t-shirt in it, paper bag.

      • detroitr1 - May 30, 2013 at 3:44 PM

        Ha. This Tiger has claws. What grown ass man uses the phrase “greatest offensive force” anyway? Sounds like an 8 year old discussing his Star Wars Lego collection.

      • historiophiliac - May 30, 2013 at 4:03 PM

        “MVP Miggy has been the greatest offensive force — ”


        /hit delete, hit delete, hit delete…

      • indaburg - May 30, 2013 at 4:00 PM

        Gasp! I think… I think lions was trolling you!

      • historiophiliac - May 30, 2013 at 4:20 PM

        He must be in some kinda crappy mood today b/c he didn’t give me the OK report either. I’m gonna have to put him in time out for an attitude adjustment, I think.

      • paperlions - May 30, 2013 at 4:52 PM

        I’m not trolling anyone.

        For some reason, people hate facts. I don’t actually troll anyone. If the facts support my contention, it is up to you to contest them. Cabrera simply has not been as good as Davis (offensively or defensively) this year….and it really has not been that close. Those are just facts. No one is saying that Davis is the better player or that the expectation is that Davis will continue to be more productive….but it is a simple fact that he has been more productive.

        Apparently willful ignorance is far more common than I thought (and I thought it was pretty common).

      • historiophiliac - May 30, 2013 at 4:54 PM

        Have a nice day.

      • paperlions - May 30, 2013 at 4:57 PM

        You too.

    • bigharold - May 30, 2013 at 5:37 PM

      “Davis has been the greatest offensive force in the majors…and there really isn’t a close 2nd.”

      “Davis: .447 OBP, .766 SLG, .495 wOBA, 215 wRC+
      Cabrera: .444 OBP, .656 SLG, .462 wOBA, 193 wRC+”

      True enough that Davis is having a better year so far but you go off the rails at the close second thing.

      Apparently you can “hate facts” too.

      Like Cabrera having more runs, rbis, fewer SO and a better average. So yeah Davis is a bit better at this point but “.. no close 2nd..” only works if you cherry pick the facts. And, neither of these guys or teams are my favorite.

      • paperlions - May 30, 2013 at 5:45 PM

        I didn’t cherry pick, I used the best stats associated with individual contribution. SO and average are useless. RBI and RS are contextual team stats.

      • bigharold - May 30, 2013 at 6:10 PM

        Not SO, driving in runs and scoring aren’t important but slugging percentage on OBP are?? That is not a fact that is an opinion.

        “Apparently willful ignorance is far more common than I thought …”

        Well we agree on this point anyway. At a minimum stubbornness is pretty common.

      • paperlions - May 30, 2013 at 7:39 PM

        No, OBP and SLG are things a player does, scoring and driving in runs are by-products (and yes, the goals), and are a result of the efforts of multiple players (except in the case of HRs, in which the batter gets 100% of the credit for the run scoring)….players score by being on base and their team mates driving them in, and players drive in runs because of the efforts of their team mates prior to their AB.

      • louhudson23 - May 31, 2013 at 3:43 AM

        RBI are coming through and making hay of the work of others….like a chef cooks beef and vegetables grown by someone else….if he doesn’t do his job,then it is all for naught…..suggesting just anyone could cook as well as the chef because of the someone else had raised a most excellent cut is as ridiculous as suggesting just anyone could be inserted into the batting order and produce the RBI…..A high IQ is generally indicative of intelligence,but a lower score is not necessarily indicative of a lack of intelligence as it could be reduced by environmental and cultural factors…high RBI totals are generally indicative of the ability to get the runs home by not striking out or hitting into DPs etc….but a low total could be caused by other factors,like teammates who don’t get on base,or a 3rd slot hitter who drives them in before the cleanup man gets his chance….RBI says just what it says…given the chance,the hitter produced…relevant and vital,but not the whole story ….

  7. raybrower - May 30, 2013 at 2:52 PM

    He’s been like 3 Aaron Hickses.

  8. Jack Marshall - May 30, 2013 at 3:41 PM

    I have lived on the East Coast all my life, in various cities, and the phrase “have a catch” never graced my shell-like ears. Why they let it sneak into FOD I ‘ll never know—it was weird when the movie came out, and its weird now.

    • spudchukar - May 30, 2013 at 6:29 PM

      I’m with you JM. FOD was supposed to be set in Iowa. As a native Midwesterner, and now resident in the Mountain West the “have a catch” phrase is unique and awkward. Maybe there are places in the East where it is common, and therefore was used in the film. But I thought Kay was a Cards fan.

  9. khaos100 - May 30, 2013 at 4:36 PM

    Would you tell NBC its 2013 and a ton of people use tablets that smartly say no to Adobe Flash?

    • historiophiliac - May 30, 2013 at 4:52 PM

      That post is two over.

  10. hardballtalkusername - May 30, 2013 at 9:21 PM

    Something about Craig saying “fabulous” makes me laugh a lot.

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