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A Blue Jays player says John Farrell “panics when things go bad.”

Jun 3, 2013, 12:34 PM EDT

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Andy Martino has a piece up today looking at the Red Sox and all that has gone right. A lot of praise in there for Sox’ manager John Farrell. To that end, this little nugget caught my eye, though:

One Red Sox player heard from a friend on the Jays before the season, and was told that Farrell “panics when things go bad.”

Setting aside the fact that I can’t recall an instance of Farrell panicing in Toronto and, to be honest, the team never being in a high enough leverage situation where panicking was even a reasonable option, I’m kinda curious as to who would say that. And to whom, now that I think about it. Long-time Red Sox know what Farrell is all about. So it has to be a newer guy. Would be curious who on the Jays is selling out the old boss. I would also be curious to know what constitutes a manager “panicking.”

Either way, it’s probably good that Farrell is off the Jays now. What with the alleged panicing happening when “things go bad.” Way less of a chance of that going down in Boston than Toronto this year.

  1. jcmeyer10 - Jun 3, 2013 at 12:35 PM

    Good thing he doesn’t have to deal with that mess in Toronto. Sounds like some dude just being bitter.

    In any case, haven’t the Sox slumped, come back to lead the AL East by a couple games? If that’s panic, I will let him panic all he wants.

    • bigleagues - Jun 3, 2013 at 8:49 PM

      My bet is on Adam Lind.

      • bigleagues - Jun 4, 2013 at 10:12 AM

        This is shaping up to be another one of those seemingly limitless instances where rumor and conjecture become a “truth”.

        If it did happen it’s either someone young and inexperienced or it’s someone with an ax to grind. If its the latter, then my bet is still on Adam Lind.

    • Glenn - Jun 3, 2013 at 11:37 PM

      Recent history suggests that if things go bad for the Sox, Red Sox ownership will panic and trash Farrell. He may not be the best in-game manager, but nothing about his past or his present demeanor suggest panic from the man.

  2. bigharold - Jun 3, 2013 at 12:49 PM

    Panic??

    He’s an early contender for AL Manager of the Year. The Jays weren’t that good before he got there, .. he didn’t make them any better, .. and even after an infusion of talent they still are at the bottom of the AL East.

    • Jack Marshall - Jun 3, 2013 at 1:03 PM

      Farrell walked into the best opportunity to win Manager of the Year in either league, aided and abetted by idiot sports writers who based their predictions on a completely anomalous train wreck of a season in which virtually every key player on the Red Sox got injured or had the worst year of their career, and the local writers set out to destroy the manager before the season even started. Farrell deserves credit, but this is hardly “The Impossible Dream Team.” Two good young pitchers and potential aces have to return to their previous levels of performance, and the team has to avoid a 60 day stretch of fielding a Triple A line-up, and it’s a 90+ win squad with anyone managing..yes, even Bobby V.

      • psousa1 - Jun 3, 2013 at 2:33 PM

        couldn’t have said it better myself Jack.

      • largebill - Jun 4, 2013 at 2:01 AM

        Not sure how managerial statistics work, does Bobby V get an assist on Farrell’s MoY award if he does win it?

    • proudlycanadian - Jun 3, 2013 at 2:14 PM

      Be careful of what you wish for. That award can be a curse.

  3. sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Jun 3, 2013 at 12:58 PM

    Had to be Rasmus, right? Or his dad. It just seems so right for it to be Rasmus.

    • proudlycanadian - Jun 3, 2013 at 1:30 PM

      Not likely. I doubt that Rasmus has any friends on the Red Sox. Farrell did panic when he realized that he only had 1 year left on his contract and little job security. It was no surprise, that he lusted after the “opportunity” to manage the Red Sox with a new long term contract. He shows himself to be an “opportunist” every time he says that managing the Red Sox was a great opportunity.

      • paperlions - Jun 3, 2013 at 1:34 PM

        Probably not Rasmus, agreed.

        But leaving for a job you prefer isn’t really panicking, that’s just life.

      • proudlycanadian - Jun 3, 2013 at 1:41 PM

        He certainly felt insecure, and was afraid of not having his 3 year contract renewed at the end of this season.

      • proudlycanadian - Jun 3, 2013 at 1:46 PM

        The Jays who have played on many teams and are most likely to have friends on other teams include Oliver, Bautista and Encarnacion. Ortiz is obvious player on the Red Sox who is likely to have friends on the Jays. My guess is that the 2 players in question are Ortiz and Encarnacion.

      • turdfurgerson68 - Jun 3, 2013 at 1:42 PM

        Farrell’s ‘dream’ managerial job was always the Red Sox. He, and 99% of Sox fans NEVER expected Terry Francona’s demise in Boston.

        It’s hypocritical to say that Farrell is an “opportunist” for seeking his dream job when everyone else would do the same.

        Besides, the Jays were compensated for his move to Boston…AND most Blue Jay fans seemed fine with him going anyway.

        Sorry, this has more to do with Toronto mgmt that Farrell.

      • proudlycanadian - Jun 3, 2013 at 1:47 PM

        You are entitled to your opinion.

      • turdfurgerson68 - Jun 3, 2013 at 1:54 PM

        That Farrell’s departure from Toronto was shrugged off by many Blue Jay fans = opinion.

        That the Boston managerial position was always Farrell’s ‘dream job’ = fact.

      • proudlycanadian - Jun 3, 2013 at 2:11 PM

        All we can be sure about is that he is a self described opportunist.

      • proudlyfrenchcanadian - Jun 3, 2013 at 7:18 PM

        Really though, who isn’t an opportunist regarding his/her career?

        You say it like it’s a bad thing.

        If you aren’t an opportunist, you are either a pushover or content; either of which will leave you on the outside looking in.

      • proudlycanadian - Jun 3, 2013 at 7:25 PM

        Thank you for defining yourself.

      • bbil2012 - Jun 4, 2013 at 7:29 AM

        Never be content with your life=never be happy.

  4. cur68 - Jun 3, 2013 at 1:01 PM

    I don’t know from panic. I DO know he’s not much good at getting uncertain players on track and keeping them there. He doesn’t have to really worry about the BoSox staff: this group won 2 WS. They KNOW what to do. All he has to do send them out there. So basically, he’s a good manager with good players.

    It was different in BeaverLand. In TO, he didn’t have the established talent base to work with once Bautista went down with that wrist. He managed to screw up Adam Lind pretty good, too. Without Farrell to make a mess of things, Lind is pouring it on now. Farrell’s in game management was also puzzling. He seemed to not realize when to pull a slow guy for a fast guy late in a game. What’s more, he seemed unable to adjust players based their ability. By mid season he seemed to have given up. See the Yunel Escobar fiasco for that one. Even Omar Vizquel was on his case for it.

    If things start to go wrong there in Boston, the Old Farrell Style of “look lost” & “do nothing” may just reappear. But panic? I dunno about that. But then I wasn’t in the dugout with him. I’ll leave that judgement to the guys that were.

    • Steve Stein - Jun 3, 2013 at 1:24 PM

      “This group” won 2 WS? The only pitchers left from the last WS winning squad are Lester (who started 12 games that season) and Buchholz (who was a late-season call-up and didn’t play in the post-season).

      • cur68 - Jun 3, 2013 at 1:25 PM

        There are more than pitchers on that team, right? if not, who’s hitting all those runs?

    • mjdkid100 - Jun 3, 2013 at 4:54 PM

      “He doesn’t have to really worry about the BoSox staff: this group won 2 WS. They KNOW what to do. All he has to do send them out there.”

      -cur68

      You certainly make it sound like your talking about the staff.

      • cur68 - Jun 3, 2013 at 5:03 PM

        Generic Staff as in “Anyone employed to play ball” but whatever. On the internet, where room for misunderstanding exists, there will BE misunderstanding.

        If it is permitted, then allow me to amend that to “BoSox MLB Ready Roster”. The fact that there are only 2 pitchers from that WS Pitcher Group puts them 2 up on the BeaverMen. The rest of the roster, and by “roster” I mean “hitters, too”, has some pretty good pedigree and don’t need Farrell telling them what to do.

      • xavier46 - Jun 3, 2013 at 7:27 PM

        The comments you made are correct if David Ortiz is what you meant by “this group”

        There is one player from the 2004 WS: David Ortiz.

        There are five players from 2007 WS: Lester, Buchholz, Ortiz, Pedroia, and Ellsbury.

        So yes, if by trotting the only player to win those 2 WS titles (Ortiz) out there as his DH means he really doesn’t have to worry about this group, you are correct. I think there is a bit more to this team than Ortiz.

      • cur68 - Jun 4, 2013 at 1:03 AM

        And “Lester, Buchholz, Pedroia, and Ellsbury”? They’re nobody? Last I checked, WITH Ortiz, they are some of the best players on that team. Who did they have in Toronto to compare to that track record and talent?

        Farrell’s doing about what you’d expect with what he has: getting wins on their backs. If he didn’t have those guys? He’d be Valentine.

  5. yahmule - Jun 3, 2013 at 1:10 PM

    So what? Some of history’s greatest leaders were famous for their lack of decorum under stress. Flemish commander Duke Beauregard of Shastenpopple was renowned for crapping himself as he rode into battle. He was loved by all his men, except the poor sod who had to scrub his armor during long campaigns.

  6. turdfurgerson68 - Jun 3, 2013 at 1:12 PM

    A Red Sox fan says: sour grapes.

  7. Jack Marshall - Jun 3, 2013 at 1:12 PM

    Oh, Boston knows what managerial panic looks like. Panic is Don Zimmer starting Bobby Sprowl against the Yankees in the Boston Massacre in 1978. Panic is Francona starting a just-called-up rookie at catcher and batting him clean-up in the final game of 2011. Panic is Grady the Dolt being afraid to pick a relief pitcher in the 7th play-off game in 2003 when Pedro was fried, and then setting up Tim Wakefield as the goat on the theory that nobody could criticize him pitching the guy who had been the team’s savior so far. Panic was Dick Williams sending out Jim Lonborg to face Bob Gibson on only two days rest, with starting pitchers who got him to the World Series (like Lee Stange and Jose Santiago) ready and rested. Those are just off the top of my head.

    • turdfurgerson68 - Jun 3, 2013 at 1:45 PM

      Sox fans know panic as well…leaving Buckner in the game in game 6 in lieu of the superior defensive 1B, Dave Stapelton.

      • Jack Marshall - Jun 3, 2013 at 3:37 PM

        “Stupid” does not equal “panic.”

      • turdfurgerson68 - Jun 3, 2013 at 3:56 PM

        Ha, ha, ha…you’re so right about that!

    • turdfurgerson68 - Jun 3, 2013 at 1:50 PM

      Yankees know what managerial panic looks like as well:

      The look on Torre’s face after Damon hammered Vázquez’ pitch into the right-field seats for a grand slam in game 7 of the 2004 ALCS.

      That’s managerial panic.

  8. rdillon99 - Jun 3, 2013 at 1:19 PM

    Adam Lind has been pretty negative about John Farrell in the past (at least more negative than you would expect in this age of pre-packaged answers and cliches that most athletes say to the media), so if I had to guess which player said this, it would be him.

    • proudlycanadian - Jun 3, 2013 at 1:38 PM

      It certainly could be Lind. It might have also been a pitcher. In one Toronto paper, it was reported that after the Jays lost 3 starting pitchers, Farrell was upset that the Jays did not go out and trade for available mediocre starting pitchers. Strangely, once the Jays did trade for Happ, Farrell rarely let him start a game.

      • xavier46 - Jun 3, 2013 at 7:30 PM

        They traded for the mediocre arms with Miami, but Farrell was unable to enjoy them. :(

  9. tanzkommandant - Jun 3, 2013 at 2:08 PM

    Rasmus all but admitted to saying this. Check out his recent blog postings.

    • proudlycanadian - Jun 3, 2013 at 2:22 PM

      I suspect that it was a common impression among many Blue Jay players. Can you name any friends that Rasmus has on the Red Sox? On the other hand, it is no secret that Encarnacion is a friend of Ortiz.

      • tanzkommandant - Jun 3, 2013 at 4:34 PM

        Maybe they are friends. Maybe they aren’t. How can any of us speak with any certainty on the nature of the relationships of these strangers?

  10. mydoglouie - Jun 3, 2013 at 7:44 PM

    News flash! Players have opinions!

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