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Chipper Jones proposes an alligator-based anti-illegal immigration solution

Jun 10, 2013, 8:49 AM EDT

I figure there are a lot of substantially differing yet wholly legitimate views to have on immigration. But I’m not sure of any of the reasonable ones that match up with Chipper Jones’ “haha, wouldn’t it be funny if desperate people trying to cross the border were eaten by alligators” position:

The best part of this was his tweet just prior to that one was this exercise in a lack of self-awareness:

Yesterday he offered this apology:

Well, as long as it’s heartfelt I suppose we have no choice but to assume that Chipper Jones is a font of enlightenment and human empathy now.

Root for their baseball accomplishments all you want, folks, but never mistake good baseball players for good people without evidence to back it up.

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  1. autmorsautlibertas - Jun 10, 2013 at 11:34 AM

    historiophiliac- Their status could be defined by the word “alien”. Since there are aliens that are here legally, we need to differentiate between legal and illegal aliens. I would be happy to refer to them based on their status as “illegal aliens”.
    Additionally, I could give a rat’s ass whether criminals are offended by having the word “illegal” attached to them. If they do not want to be scorned, they should not break thew law.

    • historiophiliac - Jun 10, 2013 at 11:58 AM

      I would say 99% of the people in this country have done something illegal, so I wouldn’t get on my high horse if I were you. We just tend to bash certain criminals — particularly those who bring out the xenophobe in so many of us. But, I’m sure you won’t let that keep you from hiding behind a criminal-non-criminal false dichotomy.

      • autmorsautlibertas - Jun 10, 2013 at 12:22 PM

        I am not claiming to be sin free. You objected to referring to them as “illegal” in a previous post and suggested that the label applied to them reflect their status.
        Labeling me a “xenophobe” is rather foolish. I have many friends that were born in foreign countries who have immigrated legally. I just object to the cheaters and resent people that want to reward them for breaking our laws with amnesty.

      • historiophiliac - Jun 10, 2013 at 12:35 PM

        I objected to using “illegals” as a noun, but technically, the legal term would be “undocumented” as opposed to “illegal” as an adjective too anyway. Additionally, using that kind of language for others but not citizens *is* branding them differently and discriminatory — whether you have friends who are immigrants or not. When you start referring to all Americans who break the law as “illegals,” it would then be acceptable to refer to undocumented aliens that way as well. So glad you differentiate between good immigrants and bad ones — I’m sure that works equally well when you sub in the names of other groups of people for “immigrants” too.

      • autmorsautlibertas - Jun 10, 2013 at 2:09 PM

        Horseshit. They have committed an illegal act by crossing the border in violation of our laws. “Undocumented” just means that they do not have a green card indicating that they are here legally, thus they are ILLEGAL if they do not have the proper documentation.

      • historiophiliac - Jun 10, 2013 at 2:23 PM

        So the proper legal term is “undocumented alien.” Their act is illegal — not the person. People cannot be “illegal.” Being a person is a physical reality, not a legal status. And, again, when you start referring to all people who break the law as “illegals,” you are okay with calling people who come here without the proper paperwork that too.

      • damnyankee13 - Jun 10, 2013 at 2:46 PM

        Sorry, your politically correct crap is just that. They became ILLEGAL when they crossed the border ILLEGALLY then became undocumented aliens. They were first ILLEGAL aliens then became undocumented ILLEGAL aliens.If it walks like a liberal, squawks like a liberial, looks like a liberial. WOW!! it must be one that is trying to ruin our country!!

      • historiophiliac - Jun 10, 2013 at 4:36 PM

        I don’t know what a “liberial” is, but say it, don’t spray it, dude.

      • gonderfan - Jun 12, 2013 at 4:12 PM

        Historiophiliac,

        I am not as much of a ‘regular’ around here as you are, but I’ve been around the site enough to have seen your words before and generally (a) thought well of what you’d say and (b) thought you seemed to get pretty positive responses from others. But after just coming across this today (am I too late for the party already?), I guess my reaction is (a) don’t mess with Chipper, because (b) he’s got a loyal following of … his type … who appear to be different than the general fan out here on this site.

        To be clear, I’m with you on this one. Don’t give up the fight (I know you won’t!).

      • historiophiliac - Jun 12, 2013 at 5:18 PM

        Gee, thanks!

    • pileofcats - Jun 10, 2013 at 12:34 PM

      This is my favorite site for beisbol news, but it’s hard for me to stomach when Craig gets on his high horse and starts waving the PC or moral authority flag. He wasn’t always like this.

      I don’t know what Chipper has done in the past, but trying to imply that Chipper is not a good person based on this is truly the work of someone who needs a BS call, and who also might possibly be high on their own farts.

      • badintent - Jun 10, 2013 at 11:51 PM

        Craig and Florio are lawyers, they pull each other’s dick , loser gets lips, winner gets to write a column on HBT

      • djpostl - Jun 12, 2013 at 12:50 AM

        Might want to use Google, there is plenty to show Jones is a piece of shit, especially in regards to how he treated his family over the years.

    • nolanwiffle - Jun 10, 2013 at 1:07 PM

      They are not American citizens, therefore they are termed aliens. They also entered this country illegally, and have broken this country’s laws. Do you really have a problem with others referring to a non-American people who have entered this country through illegal means as “illegal aliens”? How is that offensive in any way.

      What would you have us call a Saudi citizen who has crossed into the US via Mexico and is intent upon performing terrorist acts as opposed to say……picking strawberries?

      • junglerat524 - Jun 10, 2013 at 1:44 PM

        A fake illegal strawberry picker?

      • nolanwiffle - Jun 10, 2013 at 2:20 PM

        That would be fine except for that pesky little “illegal” you had to throw in there. Incredibly offensive to other fake strawberry pickers.

    • autmorsautlibertas - Jun 10, 2013 at 2:53 PM

      Alien is the noun, and people can be “aliens”. “Illegal” is the modifier of the noun, an adjective. So an “illegal alien” is an alien who is here illegally.
      Either historiophilliac is devoid of reason, or he just likes to argue about nonsense. Lets get back to BASEBALL!

      • historiophiliac - Jun 10, 2013 at 4:46 PM

        Legally, the status of aliens is documented or not, but you can choose to be uneducated about it if you prefer. Really, your refusal to use proper words just makes you look like you don’t have a good argument so you resort to pejoratives.

    • toj4 - Jun 10, 2013 at 4:14 PM

      I objected to using “illegals” as a noun, but technically, the legal term would be “undocumented” as opposed to “illegal” as an adjective too anyway. Additionally, using that kind of language for others but not citizens *is* branding them differently and discriminatory — whether you have friends who are immigrants or not. When you start referring to all Americans who break the law as “illegals,” it would then be acceptable to refer to undocumented aliens that way as well. So glad you differentiate between good immigrants and bad ones — I’m sure that works equally well when you sub in the names of other groups of people for “immigrants” too.

      The above is POLITICAL CORRECTNESS exactly why we have an illegal immigration problem in America today.

      Apparently with many Americans its ok for people to enter or remain in the US illegally but citizens can’t call them illegals. That is just sad.

      I am personally sick of the liberal and media coddling of illegals. With millions of Americans out of work, taxes too high, a legitimate terrorism concern that so many Americans think giving amnesty to a reported 11 million illegals is the way to go.

      I make no apologies for my views on illegals.

      They have no regard for our laws and therefore have none for our country. This is the last type of person we should be giving citizenship to.

      I am all for those who LEGALLY enter the US. Those who respect our country and our laws and wait there turn to enter LEGALLY.

      • historiophiliac - Jun 10, 2013 at 4:51 PM

        Yes, the thing that lets them in is that we don’t call them names. They would NEVER make it through a wall of verbal insults.

        /s

    • jwbiii - Jun 10, 2013 at 6:05 PM

      I occasionally drive over 25 mph in residential neighborhoods. I am also an illegal.

      • historiophiliac - Jun 10, 2013 at 8:32 PM

        Most of us are felons from lying on our driver’s licenses. I don’t think I know a single woman with her real weight on there.

  2. hcf95688 - Jun 10, 2013 at 11:35 AM

    The thing that strikes me is that Jones could probably give a rats ass what the commenters here and elsewhere think.

    • unclemosesgreen - Jun 10, 2013 at 11:42 AM

      I’m sure that’s why he deleted it and apologized, because he doesn’t care.

    • junglerat524 - Jun 10, 2013 at 1:45 PM

      Leave my ass out of this

  3. bwomped - Jun 10, 2013 at 11:42 AM

    That is the best idea on immigration I’ve heard all year. What’s wrong with killing two bird’s with one stone?

    • unclemosesgreen - Jun 10, 2013 at 11:44 AM

      You are one of the stupidest cockroaches to scurry out here in a long time. I’d like to propose and alligator-based solution to your continued existence.

      • nolanwiffle - Jun 10, 2013 at 12:20 PM

        Dude, your act is growing stale. We get it. You’re all for racial equality. So are most of us here. However, most of us here also enjoy some sarcastic humor on this baseball blog.

        Remember….a baseball blog…….where most come for lighthearted entertainment, I think.

      • unclemosesgreen - Jun 10, 2013 at 1:33 PM

        We will have to agree to disagree. Also – you call this an act. I’m the furthest possible thing from an actor or a fantasist.

      • stlouis1baseball - Jun 10, 2013 at 12:53 PM

        Moses: Cockroaches have been on this earth longer than virtually anything.
        I wouldn’t call them stupid. Rather…I would call them impressively adaptable creatures.
        Nasty? For sure. But certainly not stupid.

      • unclemosesgreen - Jun 10, 2013 at 1:31 PM

        It’s the cockroach-impersonating humans that I want to stamp out.

        One time in my youth I woke up in a squat with a beautiful girl after a punk rock show with a dead wet flat cockroach pressed between my tongue and the roof of my mouth. So I suppose you could say I’ve been anti-cockroach since that morning.

      • junglerat524 - Jun 10, 2013 at 1:47 PM

        Better than finding one smashed in the underwear you wore the day before realizing now you know why your ass itched all day.

      • unclemosesgreen - Jun 10, 2013 at 2:10 PM

        Can’t argue with you there. Damn.

      • asimonetti88 - Jun 10, 2013 at 2:27 PM

        Nothing screams tolerance better than wishing death upon those you disagree with.

  4. rathipon - Jun 10, 2013 at 11:54 AM

    Seriously Craig? This is supposed to mean he isn’t a good person? First, it was obviously in jest. Second, it wasn’t offensive even by bleeding heart liberal standards. No negative stereotypes based on race, gender, ethnicity, etc. Just a throwaway comment by someone who has a different world view than you. But yeah, the takeaway is that he isn’t a good person…

    • Craig Calcaterra - Jun 10, 2013 at 12:51 PM

      No, my takeaway wasn’t that he wasn’t a good person. He may be. It’s that there is nothing about being good at baseball which makes one a good person.

      • rathipon - Jun 10, 2013 at 1:40 PM

        I’m a lawyer too, Craig. That’s some pretty righteous obfuscation. I suppose you just threw that last (concluding) sentence into your blog for no reason at all then. If it was a heartwarming story about a player visiting sick kids in the hospital, would you have ended your blog the same way?

      • cur68 - Jun 10, 2013 at 1:47 PM

        I dunno, rathipon. Are you being deliberately obtuse or are you just a failure at reading comprehension? Craig’s final comment isn’t directed solely at Larry. This is obvious. Its quite clearly a common sense statement. Being good at sports doesn’t mean you’re a good person. We see that time and again. Its an almost obvious statement.

        I am stunned that someone who claims to be a lawyer can so utterly fail to grasp so simple a concept that the statement is meant in general not specifically about Larry Jones. Pretending its some sort of ringing condemnation of Larry is such an obvious misinterpretation I have to go with “deliberately obtuse”.

      • rathipon - Jun 10, 2013 at 2:16 PM

        Cur,

        You are entitled to your opinion, even if it’s pretty stupid.

        After taking the trouble to recount the statements that he clearly perceived were offensive, Craig didn’t mean anything about Chipper when he concluded his post by writing “never mistake good baseball players for good people without evidence to back it up”?

        Since the concluding sentence has no relation to the underlying story, then it would be just as appropriate to end a story about Chipper donating his time to help the homeless with the same language. Right?

      • cur68 - Jun 10, 2013 at 2:40 PM

        Since you’ve taken the trouble to engage Craig directly, why don’t you ask him what he meant? Oops. He’s ALREADY clarified what he meant! Therefore there’s no need cling-on to your tenuous argument, now is there? Yet you clearly still do cling to it. Ipso facto “deliberately obtuse” still stands. What’s more, we can add “ad hominem attacks” to your CV of “lawyer” too, eh?

    • rathipon - Jun 10, 2013 at 3:02 PM

      I didn’t call you stupid, I said your opinion is stupid. Therefore, it wasn’t an ad hominem attack.

      See – that’s how we lawyers roll :)

      As for Craig’s clarification – I think it’s pretty clear that I rejected it as an obfuscation. So no, I’m not about to take it at face value.

      • cur68 - Jun 10, 2013 at 3:11 PM

        Your rejection was obfuscusatory, though. The statement could possibly have been taken a couple of different ways: the most obvious, as a general statement. The most tenuous, as a trenchant criticism of Larry Jones. You’ve chosen to cling to the latter, rather than former, this in spite of clarifying remarks. Hence, deliberately obtuse still plays.

        What’s more, your “your opinion is pretty stupid” is directed at me, ipso facto, “all you opinions are stupid” can be inferred as easily as you are assuming trenchant criticism of one L. Jones*.

        *you obfuscate, I obfuscate. That’s how we reasonable people roll.

    • 52nites - Jun 14, 2013 at 4:52 PM

      said in jest..really? nobody bought that…. its why he apologized. Always believed he was a red neck anyway.

  5. rathipon - Jun 10, 2013 at 12:01 PM

    And by the way, Craig. What’s with all the politics lately in HBT? Are you trying to become the next Keith Olbermann?

    • asimonetti88 - Jun 10, 2013 at 12:41 PM

      If he shows up to the next HBT Extra in a leather jacket, then we’ll know.

    • Old Gator - Jun 10, 2013 at 1:40 PM

      Lately? Surely you’re joking.

      • nolanwiffle - Jun 10, 2013 at 2:24 PM

        Stop calling him Shirley!

      • stlouis1baseball - Jun 10, 2013 at 2:47 PM

        I was waiting for someone to jump on that.

  6. fearthehoody - Jun 10, 2013 at 4:17 PM

    Im Hispanic and the fact that people are making this a Chipper is racist issue, is the only offensive thing. Whatever happened to joking around?

    • indaburg - Jun 10, 2013 at 6:51 PM

      My personal feelings on illegal immigration aside, the problem I have is that the joke is not funny.

      I’m Latina too, and there’s some funny illegal immigration humor out there (Google Daniel Tosh and illegal immigration for one. Warning, it is offensive). Chipper’s joke, not so much. Just as comedians should not attempt to become third basemen for the Braves, Chipper should leave comedy to the professionals.

      As for me, I have trouble getting offended by anything that comes out of this guy’s mouth. Have you seen him put together a basketball hoop? Now that is comedy, albeit unintentional. He is admits himself that he isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed: http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/27/tweet-of-the-day-chipper-jones-vs-a-basketball-hoop/

      As a side note, I’m thinking of starting a new business, a Twitter screening service for professional athletes: http://www.shouldipostthisontwitter.com. I would answer simply yes or no. No need for complex explanations that would only serve to confuse the athlete.

  7. toj4 - Jun 10, 2013 at 7:30 PM

    Its good to see the media which claims to believe in free speech (only when it suits them) censors these blogs.

    It seems if you post something they don’t like or agree with, it disappears.

    And I’m not talking about foul language, or threats, I’m talking about the unvarnished truth.

    On the subject of illegals the media and the Democratic Party are tone deaf to any opposition.

    I find that coming from the media as hypocritical as it gets.

    They are illegals!
    They entered or remain in the country illegally!
    They have no respect for our laws!
    They have no respect for our country!

    They do not deserve amnesty!

  8. autmorsautlibertas - Jun 12, 2013 at 8:40 AM

    Frankly, the best way to deal with illegal immigrants is to force them to voluntarily deport themselves. I realize that many people made great sport of Mitt Romney for suggesting such during the last election, but if you fined employers at a high enough rate to discourage them from hiring illegals they would not be able to find work, and would be forced to return to Mexico.

  9. 52nites - Jun 14, 2013 at 4:48 PM

    Yall think like I think that Chipper is a bone fide red neck

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