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Quote of the Day: Rangers broadcaster Ton Grieve calls Jose Bautista a “crybaby”

Jun 10, 2013, 4:00 PM EDT

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Jose Bautista was ejected yesterday after arguing balls and strikes and throwing his equipment on the ground. Rangers broadcaster Tom Grieve was less than impressed. Here’s what he said during the broadcast:

“You turn into a cry baby when you act like that. Go sit down and look at the pitch and then apologize to the umpire … That was a weak display of immaturity right there … Go back in the dugout and look at the mirror.”

It’s not often you hear pointed stuff from the booth in this day and age.

Something you do see often? Jose Bautista complaining about balls and strikes. He’s easily the most NBA guy in baseball with that stuff. It’s never a strike when he doesn’t swing. Never. We haven’t seen his like in this regard since Paul O’Neill walked the Earth.

  1. specialkindofstupid - Jun 10, 2013 at 4:07 PM

    In Bautista’s defense, he had not been changed for several hours.

  2. cur68 - Jun 10, 2013 at 4:08 PM

    How dare you call all Paul O’Niels crybabies! How dare you, counsellor!

    Anyhow, it WAS a strike. Right at the knees. I saw that exact same pitch called a ball, too in this very game. That’s the trouble with non-robot umpires: they lack consistency. The robots may want us all dead (or farmed for use as batteries, depending on your Rise of the Machines Apocalypse Myth) but they are at least consistent in that.

    • proudlycanadian - Jun 10, 2013 at 4:50 PM

      Watching the game on TV, I thought that the first pitch was a ball even though pitch track said otherwise. It certainly finished below his knees. The second called strike was dubious. The pitch was was up and near his face. In moving away from it, he also moved his bat. He certainly was not swinging at the ball. On appeal to the first base ump, it was called a strike. During that game, I saw many balls that were outside called strikes. Both teams were affected. I would not call a player a cry baby if he objects to an erratic strike zone. Umpires do mess up. There have been numerous threads on HBT about bad calls by umpires, yet I can only remember one recent incidence of an umpire (Bob Davidson comes to mind) being disciplined By MLB.

      • atxjustin - Jun 10, 2013 at 5:51 PM

        How, exactly, was the second called strike dubious? In trying to avoid the pitch Bautista’s bat clearly went around. Whether he was intentionally attempting to swing or not is irrelevant; he went around, thus its a strike.

        Bautista isn’t a cry baby for addressing an erratic strike zone with the ump, he’s a cry baby for the manor in which he did it. His body language after that first pitch, he looked like a kid about stamp his feet and throw a fit… which he did two pitches later.

      • geoknows - Jun 10, 2013 at 5:54 PM

        The first pitch was a strike:

        http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/cache/numlocation.php-pitchSel=150274&game=gid_2013_06_09_texmlb_tormlb_1&batterX=78&innings=yyyyyyyyy&sp_type=1&s_type=3.gif

        And Bautista is not the first guy to have a swinging strike called on him when all he was doing was trying to get out of the way of the ball.

        He certainly came across as a crybaby to me. And no, I’m not a Rangers fan.

      • proudlycanadian - Jun 10, 2013 at 6:33 PM

        If a player is trying to get out of the way of a pitch and inadvertently moves his bat across part of the plate, it is rather obvious that he was not swinging at the ball . To call that a strike reveals a fault in either the rule book or the way that it is interpreted by the umpires.

      • brewcrewfan54 - Jun 10, 2013 at 6:41 PM

        A ball thrown behind a player that hits the bat is a foul ball strike also even though the player is obviously not swinging at the pitch. Just the way it goes.

      • section138 - Jun 10, 2013 at 7:28 PM

        Proudly is right. If a batter is avoiding a pitch, and the bat goes completely around, this is not automatically a strike. The umpire has to judge if he was attempting to strike the ball or not, per rule 2.00 Strike (a). A swing is a judgement by the umpire that the batter actualy attempted to strike at the pitch.
        As for foul balls – it is a batted ball if the pitch touches the bat by any method, even if the batter was not trying to hit the ball.
        These are not debatable points, they’re in the rule book. (Just trying to figure out where Proudly’s thumbs down are coming from.)

      • proudlycanadian - Jun 10, 2013 at 7:47 PM

        Thank you for the rule clarification.

      • dirtyharry1971 - Jun 10, 2013 at 9:27 PM

        speaking of crybabies proudly and cur are the two biggest on here. Love how PC is actually trying to suggest the reason the jays are having a bad season is because of the umpiring. LOL boy thats a good one, oh yea dickey is getting hit hard again tonight, how many more years do you guys have that dinosaur?

    • proudlycanadian - Jun 10, 2013 at 5:23 PM

      It is the epitome of hypocrisy to complain about umpiring calls on HBT and on the air waves and to then go out and dump on a player when the player complains about an umpire’s call.

      • bendover09 - Jun 11, 2013 at 3:18 AM

        Proudly.so you are saying that when a pitcher fools a batter and the batter check swings.bc he can not pick up the ball movement? It should not count?? WTF. This is called professional baseball . If you can’t handle it , get out. The guys are paid millions for a reason . Bautista should be looking at a suspension for acting an ass & for making an ass out of himself. It’s not about where the catcher catches the ball . its about where it is when it crosses the mound. When you re having a frustrating season , the easiest person to blame is the umps. But did the UMP make him swing at at the two balls out of the strike zone? No. It should’ve been 2-1 but bautista acted just like a cry baby.

      • proudlycanadian - Jun 11, 2013 at 6:05 AM

        Stop trying to misinterpret my comment. Read it again. The pitch looked like a ball. I can understand why Bautista thought it was a ball. The second called strike was as a result of a misinterpretation of the rule. Refer to the comment by section138.

      • abaird2012 - Jun 11, 2013 at 8:21 AM

        Don’t argue with illiterates. It makes you look stupid and the illiterate enjoys it.

  3. josemartez - Jun 10, 2013 at 4:09 PM

    He looked silly enough arguing; throwing his equipment on the field was embarrassing. On the bright side, he hasn’t stooped to Lawrie’s level. Yet.

  4. 18thstreet - Jun 10, 2013 at 4:18 PM

    Kevin Youkilis will let you know the pitch was a strike by swinging at it. It’s amazing how often the umpire fails to understand this.

    • baseballisboring - Jun 11, 2013 at 4:17 AM

      Youk was definitely the first person I thought of, lol…

      I’m a Red Sox fan, and I still will always love Youk, cause he’s a (wait for it…) gritty player, and for the most part he played really really well for them. But after a while even I got tired of all the complaining and helmet throwing. You’re a 34 year old MAN, and a professional world class athlete, occasionally you’re gonna get a few bad breaks.

  5. fm31970 - Jun 10, 2013 at 4:21 PM

    In all fairness, O’Neill did hit three home runs (well, two, and he reached home on an error the third time) for Kramer’s sick friend Timmy.

  6. dw3dw - Jun 10, 2013 at 4:27 PM

    David Ortiz and Ian Kinsler complain a lot too. Kinsler especially seems bewildered when a pitch is called against him, or a call on the bases.

  7. brewcrewfan54 - Jun 10, 2013 at 4:35 PM

    I’ve always found baseball arguments stupid when they are just shouting matches. Anytime a player or manager argues like a lunatic there’s no way the call will change. At least when a manger questions the call with some civility there’s a chance he can get the umps together and they can change it if its a changeable call. The shouting matches just make people look stupid.

    • icanspeel - Jun 10, 2013 at 4:51 PM

      I’d say most the time players argue a call isn’t to get it changed, but to express their displeasure and make the umpire second guess it. Except some overdo it and their emotions take over.

      • brewcrewfan54 - Jun 10, 2013 at 5:48 PM

        A shouting match with an umpire doesn’t make him want to change his mind or 2nd guess himself, it makes him angry at the player. There’s ways to accomplish that but 2 guys shouting at each other isn’t it.

    • Last Road Reviews - Jun 10, 2013 at 6:22 PM

      I agree. Though sometimes its just to let the umpire screwed up the call (if he did that is). Other times its just needing to vent and the umpire has to take the brunt of it fair or not. Other times to fire up the team. But I,agree its mostly stupid and pointless

    • baseballisboring - Jun 11, 2013 at 4:27 AM

      Balls and strikes are never changeable, though, and you’re not doing yourself any favors by complaining about them. It just makes the umpires not like you and be less inclined to give you borderline calls. Which they SHOULDN’T be, umpires are supposed to be totally impartial, but I mean, they’re human.

      I know nothing about Bautista personally, but I really don’t care for the way he carries himself on the field. The exaggerated bat flips (some people don’t care about that kinda thing, just happens to annoy me) and the heated arguing with umpires…enough, you’re a professional.

  8. youknowwhatsgoodforshoulderpain - Jun 10, 2013 at 4:51 PM

    Arguing = No biggie. Everyone has the right to be publicly express their case, even when they are wrong. When he started taking off equipment and tossing it out into the field, that’s when he turned into an asshat. That kind of crap just makes you look silly/petty. That being said, it was pretty entertaining to watch him melt down like that. :)

    • baseballisboring - Jun 11, 2013 at 4:33 AM

      Melt downs are always kinda fun. I saw Sal Fasano (AA Fisher Cats manager) get so mad after a couple blown calls that he took a full trash barrel out of the dug out, spun it/himself around in a circle three times and then heave it onto the field. The maintenance crew had to scramble to run onto the field to pick up all the trash…then I heard him yell “No, don’t you guys pick that shit up, the umpires should be picking it up, THEY’RE the ones that are trash!!”

      Definitely made a pedestrian 6-3 contest a lot more fun.

      • youknowwhatsgoodforshoulderpain - Jun 11, 2013 at 6:00 AM

        Hahahahaha…now that’s funny. :)

  9. nobody78 - Jun 10, 2013 at 4:59 PM

    With O’Neill, I always had the impression that he was angry at himself more than the umpires.

    • dondada10 - Jun 10, 2013 at 8:35 PM

      When I was 13 my mother worked at a Seminary. My brother and I would stop by sometimes, and a group of young Seminarians had tickets to a Yankees’ game one day. The seats were in the right field bleachers.

      Paul O’Neill misplayed a single into a double at one point. What proceeded was the most epic display of cursing any of us, especially the Seminarians, had ever heard.

      All I remember was his intro:

      “Cock fucking sucking mother fucker…”

  10. randygnyc - Jun 10, 2013 at 5:03 PM

    Unfortunately, I see a pattern developing in Toronto. This type of systemic behavior is completely organizational. It’s easy to excuse this behavior under the guise of frustration, both personally and for the organization, but that would be disingenuous.

    • ptfu - Jun 10, 2013 at 7:02 PM

      Dirtyharry, now THIS is how to troll the Blue Jays. No-nonsense, well-spoken, fits with the article. It stings even more if Randy turns out to be right.

      • dirtyharry1971 - Jun 10, 2013 at 9:28 PM

        i don troll anything, i just speak my mind and back it up with facts. And some people cant handle the truth so they throw a hissy fit (see pc and cur)

  11. randygnyc - Jun 10, 2013 at 5:05 PM

    Youknowwhat- you’re wrong. Arguing balls and strikes, in absence of all the ancillary bad behavior, in and of itself, is not allowed and cause for immediate ejection. The rest is subject to suspension.

    • youknowwhatsgoodforshoulderpain - Jun 10, 2013 at 5:49 PM

      Well, of course its cause for potential ejection (if it escalates beyond an under-the-breath quip, and even then it sometimes happens), but just as you said “the rest is subject to suspension”. In other words, there is an on-the-field way to deal with the complaining, but going beyond that reflects poorly on yourself and makes you look like a jerk…and is thus subject to off-the-field scrutiny/action.

      Anything that is handled on the field (and occuring with minimal frequency), IMO, is acceptable.

  12. andreweac - Jun 10, 2013 at 5:06 PM

    Is O’Neill dead or did he move to another planet. I must have missed such a story.

    • GoneYickitty - Jun 10, 2013 at 5:17 PM

      Or maybe he just doesn’t walk any more. Wouldn’t that be a simpler explanation?

    • romoscollarbone - Jun 10, 2013 at 5:33 PM

      Paulie calls about 30-40 yankees games a year on the YES Network. All they do is make fun of how much he eats and yet stays so thin.

  13. xpensivewinos - Jun 10, 2013 at 6:37 PM

    Grieve is garbage. Horrible announcer, brutal voice and he would never provide this same type of “objectivity’ if it was a Rangers player and Kinsler, Pyrzinski and some others can whine with the best of them……… Grieve would simply have said the Rangers batters have a keen eye and rip the umpire a new one.

    • brewcrewfan54 - Jun 10, 2013 at 6:45 PM

      So a hometown announcer is a bit of a homer. No surprises here.

  14. nbjays - Jun 10, 2013 at 7:03 PM

    “Go sit down and look at the pitch and then apologize to the umpire.”

    Yes, because when an umpire is wrong and calls an obvious ball a strike (or botches a home run/foul or a safe/out call) he ALWAYS apologizes to the player or manager… oh, wait…

    Tom Grieve is an idiot.

  15. uwsptke - Jun 10, 2013 at 7:15 PM

    Any article that uses “NBA” in place of childish/immature/whiny/annoying is terrific in my book.

  16. jaysjunkie - Jun 10, 2013 at 7:54 PM

    As a Jays fan, I’m getting tired of Bautista’s belligerent behaviour regarding balls and strikes and he let down the team by getting ejected in a close game. If the Jays had come back to tie it then not having his bat or defense would have been a liability. This is the team leader?

  17. gg206 - Jun 10, 2013 at 9:47 PM

    If you want any perspective on this go watch the Rangers broadcast of the horrible Marty Foster strike 3 call against the Rays in April. Tom Grieve’s call on that play was just as bad, shill, homer, partisan.. terrible, just like Bautista’s tantrum. Yes Bautista was wrong but Grieve has no credibility whatsoever.

  18. charlutes - Jun 11, 2013 at 8:17 AM

    Sadly as a Jays fan I agree that Jose cries every time he gets a called strike. Worst thing about it, the more he does it the wider his strike zone gets to the umps.

  19. foreverchipper10 - Jun 11, 2013 at 2:17 PM

    A weak display of immaturity? Wouldn’t that suggest Bautista handled it well?

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