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Diamondbacks, Dodgers brawl after Zack Greinke gets drilled

Jun 12, 2013, 12:42 AM EDT

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The fourth hit by pitch of Tuesday’s game between the Diamondbacks and Dodgers finally did the trick; Ian Kennedy nailed Zack Greinke in the shoulder in the bottom of the seventh, touching off a modest brawl.

Punches were thrown after the benches and bullpens cleared, but most of the action was limited to yelling and shoving. Actually, the confrontation between Dodgers hitting coach Mark McGwire and Diamondbacks manager Kirk Gibson and third-base coach Matt Williams was the most interesting to follow, as McGwire was holding both guys and looked like he wanted to throw some punches.

Watch the entire brawl here

Diamondbacks outfielder Cody Ross was the first batter hit tonight, and the Diamondbacks responded by hitting Yasiel Puig in the sixth. Greinke came back and drilled Miguel Montero in the back in top of the seventh. Both of those latter two appeared intentional, and the benches cleared after Montero was hit. Given what was most likely coming, it was pretty surprising Dodgers manager Don Mattingly sent Greinke out to hit in the bottom of the seventh. Sure enough, the first pitch was right up by his head and he took it off the shoulder, not far from where his left collarbone was broken after Carlos Quentin charged the mound back in April.

Kennedy is a lock for a suspension after making that throw, and MLB should ensure that it’s a good one. It’s one thing to intentionally hit someone, but there’s no excuse for going anywhere near a guy’s head. While pitchers are never suspended for more than one start for on-field incidents, MLB should make a statement and sit Kennedy for at least 12 games.

Greinke is also due a suspension for his intentional plunking of Montero, even if he wasn’t thrown out. It looked like he’d leave after the HBP, but he came back out of the dugout and stayed in to run. He even tried a takeout slide at second on a double-play ball afterwards. He didn’t come back out for the eighth, though.

Puig, who was ejected, could also get suspended for 2-5 games based on his actions as one of the instigators in the scrum. Dodgers relievers J.P. Howell and Ronald Belisario also made themselves front and center in the mix and should be looking at bans.

It’s probably safe to say Gibson and McGwire are looking at one- or two-game suspensions as well. Mattingly, for what it’s worth, was not ejected from the game.

  1. sabatimus - Jun 12, 2013 at 12:47 AM

    I was just going to go to bed, too. Dammit. There’s going to be suspensions aplomb. Ian Kennedy and Kirk Gibson are the obvious ones. Puig is likely, as is whoever was throwing uppercuts at Montero. Not sure who Mattingly was being pulled down by.

    • ahemahem - Jun 12, 2013 at 5:29 AM

      A first place team and a last place team fight.

      • Anoesis - Jun 12, 2013 at 10:44 AM

        I was going to ask you what your point was, but then I saw you still had your hat on. There’s a reason everyone outside Arizona calls that team the D-bags.

  2. duckthefodgers - Jun 12, 2013 at 12:47 AM

    Wtf, wheres the video?

    • schlom - Jun 12, 2013 at 1:18 AM

      • badintent - Jun 12, 2013 at 3:03 AM

        Nice, thanks, great HD. !

  3. flamethrower101 - Jun 12, 2013 at 12:48 AM

    Carlos Quentin got an 8-game suspension earlier this season for charging the mound at – who else? – Zack Greinke after he got hit by a pitch. We all know the story, Greinke broke his collarbone and missed about 6 weeks.

    By that logic there, there is no way in hell Kennedy gets suspended more than 5 games.

    • sabatimus - Jun 12, 2013 at 12:52 AM

      Kennedy will miss one start minimum because the umpire deemed he threw at Greinke intentionally (which he did), and did so after warnings were issued.

      • stabonerichard - Jun 12, 2013 at 12:58 AM

        The standard 5-game suspension for starters is a joke. It doesn’t cause a guy to miss a start; it simply pushes a start back a day the same way a rain out might. And by season’s end a guy hit with a 5-game suspension during the season will very likely end up making the same number of starts he would have without the silly suspension.

      • sabatimus - Jun 12, 2013 at 11:17 AM

        I agree. I think the suspension for starting pitchers ought to be, in the rules, as “one start”. This means a team MUST skip him in the rotation.

  4. duckthefodgers - Jun 12, 2013 at 12:51 AM

    Pretty gritty though.

  5. kcrobert10 - Jun 12, 2013 at 12:52 AM

    Where were the umps. They should of stopped this stuff after the 2nd guy was hit let alone 3 and 4. Massive amounts of suspensions for sure and well deserved.

    • blacksables - Jun 12, 2013 at 3:38 AM

      And how the hell were they supposed to stop it? Eject everyone on both teams and call it a double forfeit?

      Really, seriously, tell me how they were supposed to stop it?

      Do they have giant, invisible mechanical hands that allow them to manipulate the actions of grown men?

      Do they have super-thin wires suspended from a blimp so they can act as puppet masters and move the players as they see fit?

      Do they have the ability to control the actions of the players with their minds, and do some really cool Jedi mind-trick shit?

      Do they have the ability to freeze time and then go move the players and balls around into certain positions like in Bewitched, which would be really cool?

      This is all new to me, so please explain to me (when you are one of the ones constantly bitching that umpires ‘are not part of the game’) how you expected them to stop this from happening?

      Because if you have an answer as how people can stop random actions performed by others, the NTSB and FAA would like to hire you.

      • paperlions - Jun 12, 2013 at 7:20 AM

        See, I agree with you here. Saying the umps should have stopped it is naive and silly. Stopped it how? They issued warnings after the first obvious intentional HBP, as they should have. Not really anything else they could do if pitchers decide they want to keep throwing at guys anyway.

        Was the ump supposed to stop the game when Greinke came up? There really were no options to “stop it” besides what they did. Often, despite best efforts by those in charge, people are still going to do dumb or violent things.

      • sabatimus - Jun 12, 2013 at 12:11 PM

        paper, if the umps knew the “first obvious intentional HBP” was indeed intentional, they should have tossed the pitcher immediately. The umps don’t have to warn them at all. I think John Lackey the other night should have been ejected immediately, because the perfect situation was set up for him to throw at Joyce, and both Joyce and Lackey had exchanged words before Lackey hit him.

  6. stabonerichard - Jun 12, 2013 at 12:54 AM

    I dislike the dodgers like most everyone else but that was complete horse bleep on the part of Kennedy. We can debate whether there’s a place for bean balls at the big league level, but head hunting in never the way to do it. I wouldnt have thought Ian could have a more embarrassing outing than his 10 ER shellacking last time out, but he managed to do it.

    • yahmule - Jun 12, 2013 at 1:00 AM

      Agreed. The guy really did a number on his reputation this evening.

    • ctony1216 - Jun 12, 2013 at 6:48 AM

      More embarrassing was that Kennedy walked briskly off the field when the fight started and hid in the dugout. That’s why the fight moved to just outside the D-back’s dugout. The Dodgers were trying to get at Kennedy.

      • stlouis1baseball - Jun 12, 2013 at 9:23 AM

        Ian Kennedy walked of the field after hitting Greinke? Wow. Yeah…gritty.
        Kennedy is now on my personal “douchenozzle” list.

      • yahmule - Jun 12, 2013 at 9:36 AM

        Damn, I didn’t even notice that. Weak sauce.

    • chacochicken - Jun 12, 2013 at 7:47 AM

      In Kennedy’s defense, he was actually aiming at Greinke’s thigh.

  7. yahmule - Jun 12, 2013 at 12:59 AM

    Mattingly leaves Grienke in to hit in a tie game (when it seems very likely he’ll be plunked) and then replaces him on the mound in the top the next inning. This guy couldn’t manage a 7/11.

    • slclions - Jun 12, 2013 at 1:03 AM

      leaving him in was the right call. sometimes you cant back down…even if you know crap his coming.

      • fm31970 - Jun 12, 2013 at 1:21 AM

        Back down? If he’s going to be replaced in the bottom of the inning, you don’t send your #2 starter up to the plate to prove he’s “macho.” Dumb move by Mattingly.

      • sabatimus - Jun 12, 2013 at 11:28 AM

        You’re in favor of leaving in Greinke, a guy who just had a broken collarbone, just so he can come to bat and risk further injury? After the benches cleared after he hit Montero, and given that these two teams have a history involving Montero back in 2011, there was just about a 100% chance Greinke gets hit.

        To me, it’s not worth potentially injuring one of your own starters, let alone one who’s posting a rather respectable 3.68 ERA this year.

    • kingscourt25 - Jun 12, 2013 at 1:20 AM

      I’d rather see this get ended now that for this to continue throughout July, August, and September

  8. The Grand Occident - Jun 12, 2013 at 12:59 AM

    How can the article ignore the 4-strike strikeout? That’s what exacerbated the situation.

    • fm31970 - Jun 12, 2013 at 1:31 AM

      Kennedy threw high at Puig because the umpire screwed up? WHAT!?!?

      MLB needs to follows the NBAs lead here. You leave the dugout, you get suspended. You throw at and hit a batter intentionally (yes, that will be a matter of debate, but the NBA changes flagrant fouls and up/downgrades them after the fact), you are ejected. Period. The whole retaliation thing would be eliminated once the plunker is tossed and suspended for 15 days (ensuring he misses two starts), and the drama is ended after the first batter is hit by a pitch.

      We all saw how close this bench clearing brawl came to spilling into the stands (and I think one player was over the railing, actually), so what happens when a young fan has a player fighting go over the rail….you get the picture. Not as extreme as the Ron Artest situation, but for crying out loud Bud, DO SOMETHING which IS in the best interest of baseball. You threw tradition out the window with Interleague Play, and it’s long past due to eliminate this retaliatory plunking as “payback” from the game, as well as the bench clearing brawls. Stuff like this is why baseball is no longer America’s #1 sport, and is behind both the NBA and NFL.

      • The Grand Occident - Jun 12, 2013 at 9:41 AM

        I don’t think you watched the game, you’re just talking about it now.

        And you are an incredibly effeminate wimp.

      • ezthinking - Jun 12, 2013 at 10:00 AM

        So leave one player, the batter, on the field with nine opponents? Real smart there.

  9. slclions - Jun 12, 2013 at 1:01 AM

    don’t get to listen to Vin Scully up here in Toronto much. It’s too bad. His calling of the last brawl was perfect. Nobody does in better.

  10. The Grand Occident - Jun 12, 2013 at 1:05 AM

    Slcions brings up a great point. Why does Extra Innings have a problem with Vin Scully? The Dodgers home feed is missing a lot of the time it seems.

  11. The Grand Occident - Jun 12, 2013 at 1:05 AM

    Just when you think it’s over…

  12. weaselpuppy - Jun 12, 2013 at 1:15 AM

    MLB Tonight calling it “The Fantasy Brawl”, as there was a foursome of Matt Williams, Kirk Gibson, Alan Trammell and Mark McGwire grabbing and pushing each other, then Mattingly steps in…and Don Baylor joins later…

    That’s 3 MVPS (should be 4, FU George Bell), one WS MVP, one ALCS MVP, and 6 guys who all have some kind of HOF argument….all trying to not jack each other up while they are the managers and their teams are all out on the field pushing and shoving…lol,

    • yahmule - Jun 12, 2013 at 1:25 AM

      Gibson’s MVP was the result of a tireless three month long campaign by the late LA Times sportswriter Allan Malamud.

    • beebopthearcher - Jun 12, 2013 at 10:21 AM

      That’s 3 MVPS (should be 4, FU George Bell)

      Should be “That’s 3 MVPS (should be 4, FU George Bell + Sammy Sosa, but also FU Don Baylor, that one belonged to Fred Lynn)”

  13. icanspeel - Jun 12, 2013 at 1:20 AM

    From the video it didn’t look like Kennedy tried to hit Puig since Montero setup inside and Kennedy seemed disgusted when he hit him.. although he definitely hit Greinke after Greinke blatantly hit Montero in what.. a tied game at the time? No coincident Greinke was involved in the 2 worst brawls this year.

  14. paperlions - Jun 12, 2013 at 1:39 AM

    Trying to take a positive out of this, it looks like Hairston and Bloomquist would make a lovely dance couple.

  15. lostsok - Jun 12, 2013 at 1:50 AM

    Mattingly is a horrible umpire, and needs to be fired. Puig showed more leadership, and he’s a puppy. Sure, a big puppy, but c’mon. Give the players credit for fighting back, but right now they’re clinging to a rudderless ship…

  16. coloredink5 - Jun 12, 2013 at 1:56 AM

    is the mlb going to do something about mattingly because i saw him push somebody down in the brawl and he is the manager he shouldnt be doing something like that

  17. redbirds13 - Jun 12, 2013 at 2:10 AM

    After what happened because of the line out to pitcher Brandon McCarthy’s head, his teammate (who had a seizure the other night during dinner) you would think Ian Kennedy would know better than to aim for noses and heads. I get hitting a batter in the side or back, people are always going to do that.

    But I agree with everyone above saying that something more needs to be done when you’re aiming for a guys head. And not a five game suspension, it should be at least two starts, or five games the pitcher would play in. Not five games and they play the sixth game.

  18. acdc84 - Jun 12, 2013 at 2:12 AM

    Ross was crowding the plate and almost swung when he got hit on the hands so that should be null. Hitting Puig in the face started it, and nailing Montero squarely in the back was obvious but fair retaliation, and it should have ended right there, as the Baseball Tonight guys said.

    I’m not sure why someone that throws at batters’ heads twice in two innings should be allowed to pitch anytime soon…

  19. skerney - Jun 12, 2013 at 2:29 AM

    The DBacks throw at batters. That’s what they do now. It’s laughable.

  20. dodgerdave619 - Jun 12, 2013 at 2:50 AM

    That was painful to watch! But it was good to see our boys stick up and do something this time other than talk!! Donny is making some bad choices Forsure but with the way the seasons going some of it u can’t blame the guys!! I liked his fire tonight, also Never knew uribe could move like that with his big ass!!

  21. sisisisisisisi - Jun 12, 2013 at 3:39 AM

    Greinke HBP, bottom 7th

    Puig HBP, bottom 6th

    Montero HBP, top 7th

  22. sisisisisisisi - Jun 12, 2013 at 3:43 AM

    If the umpires gave out warnings after Puig was HBP, it could have never lead to this.

    This just show how dumb are Mattingly and Greinke are, have they learned anything a few weeks ago?

  23. oms0004 - Jun 12, 2013 at 4:20 AM

    I was afraid for Matt Williams. Trying to contain Mark McGwire’s latent roid rage has to be nerve racking.

    • beebopthearcher - Jun 12, 2013 at 10:25 AM

      Perhaps Williams’ own roid rage gave him the confidence

      “• Retired third baseman Matt Williams, a five-time All-Star who played 17 seasons in the majors, purchased $11,600 worth of HGH, steroids and other drugs from the Palm Beach clinic in 2002. Williams, the cornerstone of the San Francisco Giants’ infield for a decade, was a member of the Arizona Diamondbacks at the time. His last season was 2003; he is now a broadcaster for the Diamondbacks.”

      How quickly we forget….

      • sabatimus - Jun 12, 2013 at 11:30 AM

        “Ahem *shifts nervously and shakes* I’m not here to talk about the past…erm….”

  24. Walk - Jun 12, 2013 at 5:37 AM

    At about 30 second mark you can see puig get pushed back by eric hinske, about 33-34 second mark puig strikes hinske in the head or possibly neck area as hinske head was bent and he was looking down. Very dangerous. Who was in the dodger wind breaker around the 433 mark throwing punches? Bellisario maybe. The home plate umpire did a great job though right as the dugouts emptied keeping the dodgers who ran onto the field off kennedy, that had the potential to ignite a serious brawl at that spot. Thankfully it seems most of the players and coaches kept themselves in check despite being angered.

  25. coryfor3 - Jun 12, 2013 at 6:47 AM

    Wow. How can a team be without the wisdom and insight that comes with Mark McGwire!?

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