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Charlie Manuel responds, disagrees with Jonathan Papelbon

Jun 21, 2013, 8:55 PM EDT

Charlie Manuel

After Jonathan Papelbon blew his second save of the season (his second in three days, actually), he criticized his team’s lack of fundamentals when speaking to the media. In particular, Papelbon said first baseman Ryan Howard was not positioned properly when Denard Span reached on an infield single to the right side.

Here’s what was said, via CSN Philly’s Jim Salisbury:

“I was thinking on a 3-1 count our infield would be back and I was expecting to turn around and run to first base and catch a underhand throw,” Papelbon said.

So he was surprised Howard was even with the bag?

“Yeah,” he said.

Salisbury followed up with Manuel, who disagreed with Papelbon, saying, “Howard was in the right spot.”

“Although the count is 3-1, Span can bunt,” Manuel said. “Howard was up in the right spot. But it’s just like everything — everyone wants to voice their opinion. Howard was in the right place.”

Manuel said he would speak to Papelbon.

“I will,” he said. “I’m not afraid to.”

Manuel didn’t have a problem with Papelbon’s overall observations about fundamentals.

  1. historiophiliac - Jun 21, 2013 at 9:13 PM

    “Not afraid to”??? What? Ok, we know who *isn’t* the G– D– manager. Wow.

    • DelawarePhilliesFan - Jun 21, 2013 at 10:37 PM

      Not sure where you are going with that…..are you saying he should be afraid to? Or taking exception that he clarified he was not afraid to?

      Either way, the guy who benched the reigning MVP twice for failure to “hustle” – one time mid-game – indeed is not afraid to ruffle feathers.

      • historiophiliac - Jun 21, 2013 at 10:41 PM

        It doesn’t seem weird to you that he would feel the need to say he’s not afraid to confront a player? Sounds like he’s no Jim Leyland.

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Jun 21, 2013 at 11:24 PM

        You need to study your history, young lady. This argument was settled in 2007.

        Charlie speaks in a southern drawl, looks like Santa Claus, and rarely, if ever, discusses what he says to players behind closed doors. Not so much as a hint. So for his first few years as a manager, it was assumed he was a good ol’ boy, he had his players back, he wasn’t about to be mean to them. So come 2007, and the Phillies were 3-10, all time jerk bag Howard Eskin comes out with the hypothesis that the problem is Charlie and his easy going ways. In bizarre twist, the players – yes, his own players! – felt compelled to acknowledge that “on the green mile”, he flips out on them regularly, and they all know darn well they best not complain….about anything! When he gets on a player, it is between him and his player. No one else will hear a peep – unless said player reveals what was said. Which will happen from time to time (see 2008: Jimmy Rollins).

        So unlike other managers who will gladly stand before the mic and say how he chewed out a player (I am looking at Jim Leyland), Charlie knows who the real audience is. The player. What he has to say will be said to him, and that is that. So his comment of “I’m not afraid to” is just a rhetorical way of saying what he always says in these spots “I am going to rip him new one, but you won’t hear about it from me”.

      • historiophiliac - Jun 21, 2013 at 11:27 PM

        Leyland doesn’t Valentine his players.

    • fanofevilempire - Jun 22, 2013 at 1:11 PM

      Charlie is going to bust somebody up the head.

  2. schmedley69 - Jun 21, 2013 at 9:22 PM

    I heard Peter Gammons on the radio the other day talking about this situation, and he basically said that no one in the Boston media took anything Papelbon said seriously. He’s just a nut who is going to say crazy things.

  3. mancave001 - Jun 21, 2013 at 9:55 PM

    “Manuel didn’t have a problem with Papelbon’s overall observations about fundamentals.”

    As if you know that…just because he didn’t mention it?

    • brazcubas - Jun 21, 2013 at 10:31 PM

      He did mention it, click through to Salisbury’s article to see for yourself.

  4. scotttheskeptic - Jun 21, 2013 at 9:58 PM

    Manuel didn’t have a problem with Papelbon’s overall observations about fundamentals.

    Actually, no one who objectively follows this team (there are a few of us) disagrees with that statement.

  5. scotttheskeptic - Jun 21, 2013 at 9:59 PM

    Should have stated, “with that observation.”

  6. aceshigh11 - Jun 21, 2013 at 10:57 PM

    Papelbon’s also convinced that B. Hussein Obama is coming for his guns.

    The guy’s a paranoid clown…Luke Scott without the muttonchops, basically.

    Eff him in the ear.

    • scotttheskeptic - Jun 21, 2013 at 11:33 PM

      Even a blind squirrel occasionally finds a nut…

      Just because I am paranoid does not mean that there aren’t people out to get me…

      My point is, right-wing screw-ball nut Papelbon is does not mean he can always be dismissed out-of-hand. I, for one, agree with the comments about the Phillies and the poor caliber of fundamental baseball they have played for going on 2 years now.

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