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Hating on Homer: the Cincinnati media is less-than-impressed

Jul 3, 2013, 2:30 PM EDT

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Not all the Cincinnati media. My primary follows for Reds news are John Fay, Mark Sheldon and C. Trent Rosecrans and those guys are more or less straight shooters. Some others, however, not so much.

To wit: Paul Daugherty of the Cincy Enquirer and the crowd at WLW, where Marty Brennaman calls home. Their underwhelemed and, in some ways, backhanded “praise” of Homer Bailey‘s performance last night is chronicled over at Red Reporter today.

Not too surprising, really. Daugherty has become a pretty obvious troll of late, and his displeasure for Bailey’s game is longstanding. Brennaman is something of an institution, sure, but for as long as I’ve been listening to him he seems to spend more time being mildly-to-majorly disgusted with Reds players who have the audacity to not be part of The Big Red Machine. Just ask Ken Griffey Jr. and Adam Dunn about that.

Now Bailey gets the treatment. Kinda sad, actually.

  1. chacochicken - Jul 3, 2013 at 2:40 PM

    He’s not even ole timey.

    • spursareold - Jul 3, 2013 at 3:06 PM

      Otherwise, he’d be on the Pappy O’Daniel flour hour.

    • valarmorghuliss - Jul 3, 2013 at 3:15 PM

      Deeseboys is messeginated

  2. theinconvienenttruth - Jul 3, 2013 at 2:43 PM

    “Daugherty has become a pretty obvious troll of late”

    Trolling is an act of desperation for those who beg for attention…you got them on twitter, now media members love to play this card for views

  3. pensman29 - Jul 3, 2013 at 2:46 PM

    Uh what d-bags an I’m a pirates fan. Any body who throws a no no in the MLB deserves it

  4. steelers88 - Jul 3, 2013 at 2:49 PM

    How can the Reds press hate on a pitcher who threw 2 no hitters?

    • Old Gator - Jul 3, 2013 at 2:55 PM

      I suspect it’s the southern Ohio – northern Kentucky spawrtsriter’s equivalent of penis envy. They really want to be New York spawrtsriters.

      • bsbiz - Jul 3, 2013 at 3:27 PM

        I’m not sure it has anything to do with penis envy, at least not any more so than any other sports market (outside of New York).

        It comes down to my belief that the Big Red Machine was the best and worst thing to happen to the Cincinnati Reds:

        Best: Come on. The 75 and 76 Reds are the best team in the history of the game (late 20’s Yankees are really the only real competition).

        Worst: No matter how good a modern Reds team is, they will always be compared to the BRM and will always be found wanting.

        The fact that Marty called the games for BRM means that he will be inevitably be leading the comparisons. And the fact that Marty has become more cantankerous and crotchety over the years and that he and Bailey have a kind of passive-aggressive relationship leads to the shots and counter-shots above.

      • yahmule - Jul 3, 2013 at 3:39 PM

        That A’s dynasty was at least equal to the Reds teams that followed immediately after them. The Reds were better defensively and slightly better offensively, but Oakland’s pitching was much better and deeper.

        The A’s won three World Series before being broken up by O.wnership. The Reds managed only two titles.

      • raysfan1 - Jul 3, 2013 at 3:48 PM

        “You have been weighed, you have been measured, and you have been found wanting. In what world could you possibly beat me?”

  5. jm91rs - Jul 3, 2013 at 2:57 PM

    Marty spent a long time in the past talking about how Homer needed to grow up and take some direction from his coaches, as did MANY national outlets (even a few on ESPN radio this morning). It’s not a secret that the “experts” have seen the potential but a lousy attitude out of Homer for awhile now. Now that Homer is finding his groove he’s going out of his way to say F-you to the people that voiced displeasure with his development. Last night he said “it’s not as easy as those guys in the booth think it is”. I can’t see anything where Marty said anything bad about Homer last night, and he was as excited as anyone when he made that final out call.
    This is all being blown out of proportion because WLW day time radio enjoys stirring up controversy and for some reason nationally people actually pay attention to the garbage that Daugherty writes. If I’m Homer Bailey, I’m rubbing it in the faces of the guys that have been talking crap, and if I’m Marty Brennaman I’m not worried about it and just happy to be calling a good game.

    • yahmule - Jul 3, 2013 at 3:23 PM

      The knock on him was that he was much more interested in hunting than baseball.

      There is always some degree of revisionism in these kinds of stories unless the athlete expressly states that he wasn’t focused enough in the past. Then the story gets rewritten praising him and his new level of maturity.

    • timburns116 - Jul 3, 2013 at 10:58 PM

      sMarty’s been an ass for years. His running of Edwin Encarnacion out of Cincy is/was a travesty. Dude would sure look good in LF

      • georgiared - Jul 5, 2013 at 2:37 AM

        Encarnation was “ran out of Cincy” cause he was a lazy excuse for a third baseman. People cheered when he was traded because it was an immediate addition by subtraction. As for him “looking good in LF” He’s an infielder(having only played 1B, 3B, & DH) so your baseball knowledge was nicely just put on display there.

      • timburns116 - Jul 8, 2013 at 7:06 AM

        George, how would you know if Edwin Encarncion was lazy? You travel with team? Hang out in the clubhouse? No, you THINK that because Marty and his gang told you that over the radio.

        Still, it’s cute you would call an All Star, who jacked 43 bombs last season with an OPS over 900, lazy. Just as entertaining as you being too stupid to know that players can change positions. Here’s a quick for ya, what position did Rose play?

  6. sdelmonte - Jul 3, 2013 at 2:58 PM

    I listened to two innings of Reds radio coverage last night, and was not really impressed. Not actively put off, but not rushing to come back any time soon.

    Then when MLB.com had the last inning up for free – a really nice move on MLBAM’s part – I heard the younger Brennaman, and never got past how I only know him from football. He was better than his dad, though.

    • timburns116 - Jul 3, 2013 at 11:01 PM

      I hope you never hear him again. Thom is terrible…a sanctimonious windbag who still doesn’t know what OBP is, but can tell about how so and so “is a fantastic young man.” I am not watching them to get a marketing persona, I’m watching to see them play ball

  7. valarmorghuliss - Jul 3, 2013 at 3:12 PM

    Dear media

  8. DelawarePhilliesFan - Jul 3, 2013 at 3:43 PM

    Danny Espinosa is also not impressed

    • dakotah55 - Jul 3, 2013 at 6:18 PM

      Speaking of Danny, I heard on the radio a few minutes ago that his average is .090 in AAA. I hope he enjoyed his time in the majors.

  9. pipkin42 - Jul 3, 2013 at 3:47 PM

    Much of this appears to be sour grapes because Bailey did not give Brennaman an interview after the game. This, unfortunately, is a common sentiment from baseball media people. I think many of them, due to habit more than anything else, seem to have confused the means with the end. Baseball media are a means to the end, namely, providing fans with information and commentary about their favorite players and teams. In the past, interviews were a key means to realizing that end. Nowadays, with a much more robust and varied media environment, this is a less important means to an end.

    Brennaman, sadly, seems to think that the whole point is the interview, not the information that comes out of the interview. It’s not really surprising, I suppose, since his interest is in reinforcing his own importance and thus maintaining his job, but that doesn’t mean that an interview should be an end rather than a means.

    • jm91rs - Jul 3, 2013 at 3:57 PM

      Not so sure Marty Brennaman feels like he needs to do anything special to maintain his job. As long as there is baseball, there will be baseball on the radio.

      • stlouis1baseball - Jul 3, 2013 at 4:13 PM

        Good point JM. I would also add that this can (in part) be attributed to Marty Brennaman being a cantankerous ass. Seemingly more with each passing year.

        Qualification:
        I have heard many…many Redlegs fans lament the same thing.
        I mention this because I don’t want to my comment be dismissed by some as a result of me being a Cardinals fan.

      • pipkin42 - Jul 3, 2013 at 4:14 PM

        Fair point about Marty, specifically. The general case, I think, still stands. Many baseball writers feel entitled to interviews which really aren’t necessary any more.

        Maybe in Marty’s case it isn’t about keeping his job but about a privilege to which he has grown accustomed in its own right.

      • timburns116 - Jul 3, 2013 at 11:02 PM

        No, sMarty is an ass and has been for years

  10. bcwildcat24 - Jul 3, 2013 at 4:25 PM

    You know what’s surprising, any I hope anybody who lives in the Northern Kentucky/Greater Cincinnati area backs me up on this….. I’m actually surprised to hear the Cincy media trash someone who was white. They relentlessly attacked Griffey but guys like Freel and Rosales got nothing but love.

    • largebill - Jul 3, 2013 at 4:56 PM

      I think you heard what fit your preconceived notion about Cincy. Many white players have gotten ripped by local media. Heck, Brennaman is such an ass he regularly ripped Dunn for walking too often. Kearns was about run out of town for being fat. Carson Palmer was destroyed for his trade me or I retire demands (which actually saved Mike Brown thanks to the Raiders’ stupidity.). Griffey was criticized because he was highest paid player on mid-market team and hurt more often than healthy. Conversely, Phillips (who is black himself) is beloved by fans and media. Sometimes there is no reason to interject race.

      • timburns116 - Jul 3, 2013 at 11:11 PM

        Phillips is NOT loved by the media. sMarty constantly criticizes him for a lack of hustle and called him out — repeatedly — over his failure to get to second a dropped flyball in LA. A couple of years ago.

        I have been a reds fan forever and listened almost daily since 1987 and Cincinnati is the most racist, overtly so, Northern city in the country.

      • georgiared - Jul 5, 2013 at 2:59 AM

        Phillips is beloved by the media in Cincy, particularly Fox Sports Ohio, but I love how your criticisim of Marty is basically that he holds players accountable. You know who else has said Phillips needs to hustle more? Brandon Phillips.

        Your probably mad that MLB network called out Starling Casto today for jogging from second on a Soriano single, thus being easily thrown out at the plate today in what ended up being a 1-0 lose for the CHC too.

    • timburns116 - Jul 3, 2013 at 11:07 PM

      Excellent point. Marty didn’t just attack Griffey; he once belittled George Foster’s 52 HR’s, because they took some of the glory away from Rose. He spent 5 years dogging Eric Davis as a prima donna. He criticized Barry “better than God IMHO” Larkin for having a lack of respect.

      The only black player I remember him liking unequivocally was Greg Vaughn.

  11. largebill - Jul 3, 2013 at 4:50 PM

    As an Indians fan living in Cincinnati (punishment for marrying a southern girl) I listen to 700 in the radio quite often and find Brennaman to be painful to listen to, especially when the pace of the game is anything but brisk. When he and Brantley have time to drift away from game action it is like listening to couple drunk babbling and wondering if they’re speaking English. Daugherty is a sanctimonious “all knowing” ass. If you want a headache, read his convoluted Hall of Fame voting justification lambasting people he doesn’t vote for that he suspects of cheating (PED’s) while also writing in Pete Rose’s name (you know, the guy banished from game).

    As far as Homer goes many fans and sports writers expect great players to show up as finished products. They forget that many all time greats took time before they were able to dominate at MLB level. Unlike high school, low A, high A, AA, & AAA, every opponent is a legitimate very good player and you have to change your game to succeed. It is the great exception when a player shows up in majors and doesn’t struggle.

    • lawson1974 - Jul 4, 2013 at 12:59 AM

      Big difference between PEDS that affect the game and Rose’s gambling that mainly only affected himself.

  12. Aaron - Jul 3, 2013 at 6:53 PM

    The only reason Fay, Sheldon, and Rosecrans didn’t criticize Bailey is because they were probably too busy criticizing the fans. Their act is just as old as Daugherty and Brennaman’s.

  13. thomas844 - Jul 3, 2013 at 7:00 PM

    This was one of the most dominant no-hitters I have ever seen. I don’t understand where the hate comes from. In a lot of no-hitters there are a few hard-hit balls and close calls, but I don’t even think the Giants had anything close to a solid hit. Bailey had everything working and was touching 97-98 MPH in the 9th inning.

  14. hinnersjr - Jul 3, 2013 at 7:39 PM

    I think everyone needs to step back and actually evaluate the media’s coverage rather than accepting this article or the linked article as the truth. The truth is the Cincinnati media (sports and non-sports) embraced this no-hitter with open arms. You can verify this by viewing the Cincinnati Enquirer, listening to 700 WLW and viewing any medium of social media.

    As for Marty, he expressed his disappointment with Homer turning down an interview request with 700 WLW. Marty wasn’t doing the interview. After his initial statement, he didn’t say anymore about it. In fact, when he was interviewed on 700 WLW today, he didn’t say one word about it. The radio talk show hosts did but they didn’t say anything to Marty about it and he didn’t say anything to talk show hosts. Like him or not, Marty is a Hall of Famer and is a class act. The only people who don’t like him are the jock sniffers who think athletes can do no wrong.

    If you read Daugherty today or in the past, you’d know he is a big proponent of Homer and expected this to be a big season for him. Daugherty only expressed disappointment in Homer dropping the f-bomb on live tv during his on-field interview. He wasn’t the only one.

    So all in all, the treatment for Bailey was excellent. What’s sad is the reaction of the out of town media/persons who have no clue as to the actual coverage of the no-hitter.

    • pipkin42 - Jul 3, 2013 at 8:33 PM

      Brennaman has a Frick award – he is not a hall of famer. Further, “jock sniffer” or no, I will almost always side with an athlete, who I pay to see, over a broadcaster. Better to be a jock sniffer than a microphone sniffer in my book.

      • timburns116 - Jul 3, 2013 at 11:14 PM

        Especially for a guy who never played baseball at all

    • timburns116 - Jul 3, 2013 at 11:14 PM

      Marty is a jerk and knew exactly what the reaction to his comment would be. Just like he told Griffey in 2000, after arguing loudly on air that the Reds did not need him and should not trade for him, “I’ll be here long after you’re gone”

      • georgiared - Jul 5, 2013 at 2:51 AM

        What does what he said to Griffey have to do with what he said on the air after Homer’s no-hitter?

  15. junglerat524 - Jul 4, 2013 at 12:42 AM

    Worst story ever. Must be a slow news day.

  16. lawson1974 - Jul 4, 2013 at 12:56 AM

    I am a Reds fan and watch at least some of almost every game.

    I suspect most of you do not, including Craig.

    Great Homer throws two no hitters. The point of the game isn’t no hitters. It’s consistent winning.

    The two times that you all care to know anything about Homer just proves he has great stuff.

    That makes it even more frustrating for us Reds fans that he is usually so mediocre.

    Most Reds fans, not just the media, have a very mixed relationship with Homer and it is quite justified.

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