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Aramis Ramirez learned a baseball rule last night

Jul 4, 2013, 12:00 PM EDT

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We noted a minor leaguer committed a Merkle’s Boner play the other day, not realizing that he had to advance to second base safely in order for the winning run to score.  Last night a major leaguer committed a mental miscue of his own.Actually, two major leaguers had miscues on the same play: Aramis Ramirez and Rickie Weeks of the Brewers in last night’s game against the Nats.

Weeks was on first base and Ramirez was on third with one out. Teammate Sean Halton hit a long fly ball to the warning track which Denard Span caught for the second out. Weeks, however, assumed there were two outs already and had rounded second base by the time was caught.  Ramirez — who did know the number of outs — yelled at Weeks to get back to first base. He did not, however, tag up quickly. By the time he eventually did Weeks had been doubled off first base before Ramirez could cross home plate. If he had crossed home before Weeks was out his run would have counted.

Here’s Ramirez:

“I thought that double play, automatically the run don’t count,” Ramirez said. “I had no idea. I don’t think anybody knew. I was trying to get Rickie’s attention to get back. It was a weird play.”

Know you know, Aramis. And it only took you 16 years in the major leagues to figure it out.

  1. bfunk1978 - Jul 4, 2013 at 12:05 PM

    On a ground ball double-play with one out, Ramirez would have been right, because the batter would not have made first base safely (just like a 2-out ground ball out). But it’d be fun if he was right all the time, right? Guys on third just falling all over themselves in an effort to get home before the last out is recorded.

    • ezthinking - Jul 5, 2013 at 3:03 AM

      Sweet parallel universe argument.

      “If the situation was totally different his fuck up wouldn’t have mattered.”

      • bfunk1978 - Jul 8, 2013 at 9:58 AM

        I enjoy that. I just mean that I think he assumed the run was erased on all double plays. Which does not excuse him being a dipshit; he definitely should have tagged up and made it home before the DP.

  2. heyblueyoustink - Jul 4, 2013 at 12:11 PM

    Know you know baby, know you know.

    • albertmn - Jul 4, 2013 at 12:36 PM

      Always funny when the person complaining about the screwup screws up themselves!

      • vallewho - Jul 4, 2013 at 2:42 PM


  3. padraighansen - Jul 4, 2013 at 12:20 PM

    Yeah, I knew. And I only played college baseball. Anyone that is a professional baseball player – regardless of the salary – who loafs like that disrespects the game. All he had to do was run hard. That’s it. Not rocket science.

  4. BPKay - Jul 4, 2013 at 12:23 PM

    I guess we can make snarky comments about how long Craig has been in the business when he makes any sort of mistake

    • Old Gator - Jul 4, 2013 at 12:29 PM

      We do. We always do. Where have you been?

  5. danaking - Jul 4, 2013 at 12:24 PM

    Every time I hear of something like this, my first thought is, “What the hell were the base coaches up to?” Not to excuse the players–it was a royal screw-up–but the base coaches have no other real purpose to be on the field, especially the first base coach. What else does he have to do except to holler when a pickoff throw is coming, remind the runner how many outs, and to turn left at the next base.

    • Old Gator - Jul 4, 2013 at 12:34 PM

      The problem is that the base coaches are incoherent. Part of it is, well, part of it is the minimal IQ they have to demonstrate before being named base coaches in the first place. Another part of it is they’re so cryptologically constipated with today’s signals, yesterday’s signals, the ghosts of signals past (in some cases going back decades) that they have to navigate labyrinths of cerebral censors to be sure they don’t give anything way. They’re as clogged with recollected signals as Borges’ Funes. All that comes out are the bits and fragments of signals and comments heaped up and covered with seagulls and crows in their brain stems that the censors have permitted to pass.

      It’s much better if the player knows what he’s supposed to do in the first place. Listening to the base coaches causes brain damage.

      • albertmn - Jul 4, 2013 at 12:43 PM

        Speaking of incoherent…

      • Old Gator - Jul 4, 2013 at 12:49 PM

        It was perfectly coherent. You’re confusing “incoherent” with “uncomprehending.” I understand why. Both words have some of the same letters.

      • halfthemoney - Jul 4, 2013 at 8:52 PM

        So are the 1B coaches incoherent or incompetent?

      • halfthemoney - Jul 4, 2013 at 9:07 PM

        I generally enjoy your comments as they demonstrate what is normally lacking on sports blogs…intelligence. I will even admit to looking up your obscure novel reference (though I refuse to use Wiki).

        But as I sit here enjoying a cold beer while watching a game, I had an epiphany (which I initially mistook for heartburn): wouldn’t it have been easier to simply say if the player knows the game and pays attention to detail then dumb 1B coaches can’t screw things up?

      • Old Gator - Jul 4, 2013 at 11:21 PM

        Perhaps, but not nearly as much fun, and it would not begin to address the quantum dynamics of incoherence – it would be a superficial ontological statement of its mere existence.

        But it still begs the question of whether first or third bases coaches are less coherent. I will address that at the next relevant opportunity.

    • halejon - Jul 13, 2013 at 2:23 PM

      He was probably going nuts and the baserunner, correctly, wasn’t watching him. Players are trained to develop good baseball instincts and make snap decisions on their own — it’s a myth that they are supposed to just look up at the next coach to figure out what to do at all times. Especially running from first, the runner has the best view and should be looking out at the play, judging the flight of the ball/how hard it was hit off the bat — not peering across the infield waiting to see what his coach is going to tell him to do. The only time the coach really takes over is on a some hits to right going first to third or scoring from second where the ball is behind the batter.

  6. hcf95688 - Jul 4, 2013 at 12:53 PM

    Different game, but in the same vein – Buster Posey doesn’t understand the infield fly rule.

    • nbjays - Jul 4, 2013 at 1:37 PM

      In Buster’s defense, many players, most fans and even some umpires don’t understand the infield fly rule.

      • hcf95688 - Jul 4, 2013 at 4:55 PM

        ALL umpires know it, Not exactly rocket science. Force at third, less than two outs, routine play by infielder, not a bunt or line drive.


        And if your job is “professional baseball player”, you damn well should know basic rules.

  7. sfm073 - Jul 4, 2013 at 2:46 PM

    And how long have you been in the sports writing game? Do you proof read at all before you submit something?

    • natslady - Jul 4, 2013 at 6:38 PM

      “Weeks, however, assumed there were two outs already and had rounded second base by the time was caught.”

      By the time what was caught?

  8. natslady - Jul 4, 2013 at 6:38 PM

    Should add that to this quiz.

    FP Santangelo was funny on the call, argued with himself about it for 20 minutes, said he didn’t know that was the rule after 25 years in professional baseball, then said, well, it should be changed anyway–so if a runner is forced out the run doesn’t count.

  9. uwsptke - Jul 4, 2013 at 8:55 PM

    Ramirez wasn’t lolly gagging around. He was trying feverishly to get Weeks’ attention to return to first, but didn’t realize that he could still score. Slam him for not knowing the rule, but not for his effort.

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