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Report: Cubs wanted Jonathan Schoop, Eduardo Rodriguez from Orioles for Matt Garza

Jul 5, 2013, 9:25 PM EDT

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Per Eduardo Encino of the Baltimore Sun, the Cubs wanted middle infielder Jonathan Schoop and left-handed pitcher Eduardo Rodriguez from the Orioles for starter Matt Garza. Schoop rated as the organization’s #3 prospect and Rodriguez #5 according to Baseball America at the end of October last year.

Garza missed about nine starts to begin the 2013 season due to a strained right latissimus dorsi. Since making his season debut on May 21, however, he has pitched quite well, posting a 3.45 ERA over 57.1 innings. The Cubs, however, are 15.5 games out of first place and Garza is a free agent after the season, making it very likely that the right-hander is wearing a different uniform before the trade deadline on July 31. The Orioles, at 48-38, are only 4.5 games out of first place in the AL East and are otherwise in a good spot to make a run at one of the two Wild Card spots. Their starting rotation is in need of an upgrade as five of ten pitchers to have made at least five starts this season have posted a 5.00 ERA or worse.

  1. dondada10 - Jul 5, 2013 at 9:29 PM

    O’s should’ve made that trade. The earlier the move the more innings you get out of the acquisition.

    • theinconvienenttruth - Jul 5, 2013 at 9:35 PM

      No. Trading the farm for a one year rental who hasn’t lived up to his past success because of injuries or whatever is not worth it. As an O’s fan, I’m happy with Feldman because he provides innings and has postseason success, and we didn’t give up anything more than what a bag of balls as far as useful now.

      • paperlions - Jul 5, 2013 at 10:35 PM

        This.

        If you want to compete year after year, you do NOT trade promising prospects for expensive 1/2 season rentals (see Phillies, Philadelpha and Angels, Anaheim).

      • gothapotamus90210 - Jul 5, 2013 at 11:14 PM

        Paperlions – Blanton, Lee, Halladay, Oswalt and Pence were not rentals. They extended Halladay as part of the trade and the other four were controllable for at least the following season when acquired.

        You’re welcome.

      • biasedhomer - Jul 5, 2013 at 11:41 PM

        paperlions- you know Philly and the O’s situation is completely different. Philly was established WS contenders, the O’s are an up and coming team that could use a veteran like Garza on their pitching staff.

      • gothapotamus90210 - Jul 5, 2013 at 11:47 PM

        Paperlions – I’ll admit, I had an oversight. In 2011, they traded top prospect Cash Considerations to the Mariners for Mike Sweeney, a two month rental. You got me, bub.

      • theinconvienenttruth - Jul 6, 2013 at 12:16 AM

        blasedhomer – so you suggest they grab Garza and trade away their future second basemen and a front of the rotation starter? The value we are giving up, we better get a for sure ace, not a gamble.

      • cktai - Jul 6, 2013 at 8:23 AM

        The fact that the O’s are an up and coming team makes it even more important that they hold on to future assets. Schoop is already in Triple A and I wouldn’t be surprised if becomes a starter in 2014. It’d be stupid to trade him away for a one year gamble.

      • paperlions - Jul 6, 2013 at 10:01 AM

        You guys are right, those guys weren’t all rentals….but what Philly was doing was trading to make an old team even older, continuing to not recognize that any player whose age start with a 3 are in the decline phase of their career.

  2. cocheese000 - Jul 5, 2013 at 9:43 PM

    This trade proposal was laughable. A rental for a potentially good second baseman lol

    • biasedhomer - Jul 5, 2013 at 11:36 PM

      And the O’s remain with a horrible rotation. It’s not like Chris Tillman, Brian Matsuz, Zach Britton and Jake Arrieta were all highly rated prospects just like Schoop, all had potential. (Although Schoop is on a lower level, possibly a 5th or 6th hitter in a decent lineup).

      Obviously you would want a team to resign Garza if they trade for him, but he still would improve the Orioles rotation.

      • cktai - Jul 6, 2013 at 8:32 AM

        One important difference is that Tillman, Matusz, Britton and Arrieta are all pitchers. The O’s have a horrible track record in developing young pitchers. When you look at position players, however, they recently developed Markakis, Wieters, Machado, and Reimold.

      • biasedhomer - Jul 6, 2013 at 12:07 PM

        So they can’t develop pitchers, and you are unwilling to trade for them. Pitchers are worth more than hitters, so it will always seem like an overpayment. Schoop is only going to land you a player like Garza. If they want a true #1 pitcher (who are so rare to come by), they would have to give up someone like Bundy or Gausman (just like KC gave up Wil Myers for Shields).

  3. tfbuckfutter - Jul 5, 2013 at 9:53 PM

    The Orioles should just talk Gabe Kapler or Mark Kotsay out of retirement, and Theo would JUMP at the trade.

    Hell, get them both and you can probably put together a package for Garza and Smardz….jam….illa…

    • Caught Looking - Jul 5, 2013 at 9:56 PM

      Kotsay is still playing and is with the Padres. If Theo wants him, I’m pretty sure his old friend Josh Byrnes would listen.

      • tfbuckfutter - Jul 5, 2013 at 10:14 PM

        Wow.

        Getting 8 or 9 seasons out of your career after you are officially washed up.

        Guess that must qualify as “grit”, which makes him appealing to a couple more GMs.

    • Kevin Gillman - Jul 5, 2013 at 11:22 PM

      Doug Mirabelli is available too.

  4. skinsovieterps - Jul 5, 2013 at 10:25 PM

    How bout getting a closer since Jim Johnson just blew another one.

    • American of African Descent - Jul 6, 2013 at 10:37 AM

      Bobby Parnell should be available. And the Mets would be foolish not to consider it.

  5. thebadguyswon - Jul 5, 2013 at 11:01 PM

    Wow…..I would pass on Garza for that ridiculous price.

    Go get a low-profile guy like Bud Norris instead for a lesser cost.

    • whitesoxman77 - Jul 5, 2013 at 11:25 PM

      you think the Astros are gonna trade their only trade piece for cheap?

    • biasedhomer - Jul 5, 2013 at 11:39 PM

      Bud Norris probably would cost more because:

      a. he’s younger, more upside
      b. he’s cheaper and under control much longer
      c. Him and Altuve are the only things going for the Stros

  6. chill1184 - Jul 5, 2013 at 11:09 PM

    Talk about overreaching for the Cubs

  7. 13arod - Jul 5, 2013 at 11:12 PM

    dondada10 how do you know if garza will resign with the o’s if they traded for him

  8. 13arod - Jul 5, 2013 at 11:13 PM

    theinconvienenttruth how do you know if he would resign with the o’s if they trade for him

    • theinconvienenttruth - Jul 6, 2013 at 12:23 AM

      I don’t know, but its not a favorable situation. If Garza pitches well, he’s going to cost too much next year. He got $10mill in arbitration from the Cubs…when he was awful. Duqette’s philosophy is to buy bats, grow arms. If he pitches bad, we lose out on Schoop and Rodriguez, and probably Garza to FA.

      Lose-Lose Situation

  9. schmedley69 - Jul 5, 2013 at 11:38 PM

    When you are trading proven talent for prospects, you should expect to get one of the other teams top prospects back in return, because the chances of the prospects panning out are slim to begin with. If the Orioles aren’t even willing to give up one of their top 5 prospects, then they can forget about acquiring anyone who is really good.

    • theinconvienenttruth - Jul 6, 2013 at 12:24 AM

      Orioles are still trying to build up the farm. If they are going to dish out any top 5 prospects, they better get someone better than Garza for a few months.

      • schmedley69 - Jul 6, 2013 at 9:19 AM

        The Cubs are trying to build up their farm as well. Better off keeping Garza and offering him arbitration and getting a draft pick as compensation than trade him for a fringe prospect.

  10. dirtyharry1971 - Jul 6, 2013 at 12:52 AM

    This is a perfect example why the cubs never win, this guy is 29, is a solid starter. Ok he isn’t a #1 but he could be a #2 in the NL and his price isn’t horrible and he is young enough to where you can rebuild using him yet the cubs want to get rid of this guy in the worst way, why?

    • American of African Descent - Jul 6, 2013 at 10:35 AM

      Ok, I’ll take the bait on your trolling.

      The Cubs are at least three years from competing. That means that Garza will be 32 when the Cubs are ready to compete. And statistically, ball players start their downward trajectory at age 32. Throw in the fact that Garza has some history of injury, it’s not a good bet that he’ll be in a good position to help them compete in 2016.

      Alternatively, you can flip him for some prospects that have a higher upside.

    • geoknows - Jul 6, 2013 at 10:40 AM

      How about because he is a free agent after the season and will be leaving? I suppose you can hang on for the draft pick when he leaves instead. Pick your poison.

      I have to laugh at the O’s fans here. I’m not a Cubs or O’s fan, so I have no dog in this fight. Schoop and Rodriguez strikes me as a pretty fair exchange, and not highway robbery by Theo.

    • hoping4acubswinner - Jul 6, 2013 at 5:53 PM

      That’s exactly what I’ve been saying. Still trying to figure out this “five year plan” Epstein was talking about.

  11. rockthered1286 - Jul 6, 2013 at 3:39 AM

    @biasedhomer
    (Sorry would’ve replied direct but on my phone and NBCS refuses to make the option available)
    Here’s my gripe with your argument. You list Tillman, Matusz, Arrieta and Britton as failed highly touted prospects saying they HAD potential. And the rotation is not good.
    First issue- Tillman came from Seattle. Not our pick.
    Second issue- he’s 10-2 and has won 8 straight.
    Third issue- you left out prospects we drafted that have turned into starters, primarily Manny. Also add Wieters and Markakis to that list as current O’s starters that we had drafted. You can also add guys like Chen and Gonzo as we picked them out of the international market and have been great acquisitions by this front office. And using your logic, should we also give up now on Bundy and Gausman because others failed?
    Fourth issue- Our rotation is not good? When Chen returns healthy (just threw 7 scoreless in his final rehab start) we’re looking at Hammel, Chen, Gonzo, Feldman, Tillman. Chen and Gonzo have been nothing shy of great this season. Tilly has a 10-2 record with 8 straight wins. Feldman we just acquired and in his first start went 7IP, 3H, 2ER so I’m liking his potential. And Hammel CAN be great he just needs to stay consistent. This is a damn good rotation. Is it great? Not without an ace. But are you really considering trading away your top 2B prospect (which is key considering Roberts is in his final year) and a front end starting pitcher (#2 ranked pitching prospect for us behind Gausman since Bundy is out under the knife) for a 1/2 season of Garza knowing damn well he’s gonna hit FA after this season? Not worth it. He’s not the final piece to put you over the top and win the AL East. Don’t pull the trigger.

    • jayscarpa - Jul 6, 2013 at 6:14 AM

      Hammel gets almost 6 runs per game support; Tillman more than 5. Feldman is 30yo – the days of potential are over. Chen & Gonzalez are pretty good but don’t think both will be healthy the entire rest of the season. The O’s starting pitching is middling and has zero depth. They need help.

  12. hittfamily - Jul 6, 2013 at 8:30 AM

    I think it is a fair asking price. Less than half a season of Beltran cost the Giants the #54 prospect at the time in Zack Wheeler. Beltran was oft injured too. Less than half a season of Greinke cost the Angels Jean Segura. Less than half a season Anibel Sanchez cost the Tigers Jacob Turner. I think Sanchez is a good comp. High profile rentals cost teams high profile prospects.

  13. scoobies05 - Jul 6, 2013 at 6:55 PM

    i am in the camp of inconvienienttruth and rockthered on this. we basically gave up nothing of value to us to acquire feldman. why give up players you want or could use later possibly in another deal. and while garza probably is more talented, feldman seems to be more consistent. this leaves the o’s with a rotation of hammel, feldman, gonzalez, tillman, and when he comes back next week, chen. no “aces” but also no “fives” either. as far as depth goes, which a misinformed poster said the birds lack, there is still britton(who has pitched well) , top prospect gausman, and if need be, garcia(who i hope isnt needed). and we still have schoop and rodriguez as trade bait

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