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The Yankees are shopping Phil Hughes, Joba Chamberlain

Jul 10, 2013, 11:02 AM EDT

We’ve heard some rumblings that the Yankees are looking to trade Joba Chamberlain. And speculation and common sense suggests that Phil Hughes might be a marketable piece for the Bombers. Ken Rosenthal reports today that, yes, the Yankees are shopping the remaining two of the former Big Three:

 

It makes a lot of sense for the Yankees to move both of them. I feel like both of them could use a fresh start in a more pitcher friendly environment. And one gets the sense that both of them would plan on leaving on their own accord soon anyway.

  1. jayscarpa - Jul 10, 2013 at 11:12 AM

    They’re goners.

    • sabatimus - Jul 10, 2013 at 12:45 PM

      But what are the Yankees going to get for them? I don’t think even a full bag of baseballs is a reasonable trade.

      • 18thstreet - Jul 10, 2013 at 1:05 PM

        Hughes has shown flashes of great potential. I’d be interested in buying low on the guy. Joba never interested me, even when he was briefly awesome.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jul 10, 2013 at 1:23 PM

        Joba never interested me, even when he was briefly awesome.

        You weren’t interested in a starting pitcher who went:

        65.1IP, 2.75 ERA, 8.27 H/9, 3.44 BB/9 and 10.2 K/9 at age 23? I sure was. Then he went and hurt his shoulder :(

    • pisano - Jul 10, 2013 at 5:35 PM

      The sooner the better.

  2. proudlycanadian - Jul 10, 2013 at 11:13 AM

    Dickens wrote a novel about Kennedy, Chamberlain and Hughes as well as the three pitching prospects whose name began with B. The novel was called “Great Expectations”.

    • turdfurgerson68 - Jul 10, 2013 at 11:26 AM

      And the subtitle was: ‘overrated’

    • slartibartfast4242 - Jul 10, 2013 at 1:51 PM

      Yeah, the only solace us Yankees fans have is that they at least have had better careers to write home about than the Blue Jays entire seasons for the past two decades

  3. cackalackyank - Jul 10, 2013 at 11:15 AM

    I agree it may be time to sell some pieces. I am just not sure these guys will get us anything worth talking about. The only real message I see here is that we now know for sure that neither of these guys will get a qualifying offer if they are still in NY in November. Trading them now is an attempt to get something now instead of nothing when they are allowed to walk in the fall.

  4. itsacurse - Jul 10, 2013 at 11:17 AM

    Kubel for Joba makes some sense for both teams…

    • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Jul 10, 2013 at 12:19 PM

      Ross maybe. Kubel, no thanks. The Yankees already have lefties who can’t hit.

  5. hittfamily - Jul 10, 2013 at 11:21 AM

    In the ATH thread, I said the Yankees had no players to sell off, either to sell off, or to improve their team for the post season run. I forgot about these 2. Boy was I wrong. Jayson Nix seems to be blocked with Nunez, Arod, and Jeter back. Maybe they can do a package deal of Hughes, Joba, and Nix for one of those giant weiners that almost hit John Buck in the face.

    I once had a Prince from Kenya offer me Hughes, Joba, and Nix and all I had to do was send him $1000 to secure the transfer. Thankfully, I didn’t do the deal.

  6. turdfurgerson68 - Jul 10, 2013 at 11:24 AM

    I.E., the Yankees are raising the white flag!!!!!

    I never, NEVER thought this day would come! YES!!!!

    Thank you, thank you Steinbrenner brothers, thank you for dismantling everything your father strived for!

    Let the Nix/Romine era begin., ha ha!

    • jayscarpa - Jul 10, 2013 at 11:28 AM

      The two things the Yankees have is starting and relief pitching depth. Trading from a strength isn’t exactly giving up. As Doom & Gloom as it has been, they are still only 5 games out in the loss column; 2 1/2 for the WC.

    • sawick48 - Jul 10, 2013 at 11:32 AM

      yea……..ya know….

      if making room for Michael Pineda, a 23 year old phenom, is like, waving a white flag……

      • turdfurgerson68 - Jul 10, 2013 at 11:37 AM

        Sure, trading the two most valuable things a team can have, stating and relief pitching, for someone coming of of shoulder surgery, is nothing.

        (some) Yankee fans = delusional.

      • tmarlin1221 - Jul 10, 2013 at 11:40 AM

        I’m guessing the morons on this tread should leave winning the WS to the yanks (who have the most titles btw), and worry more about their own team not making the playoffs every year for the last 20 years.

    • brahmabull71 - Jul 10, 2013 at 11:34 AM

      How is getting rid of Joba and or Hughes raising the white flag? Both are not suited for this team, especially Hughes in Yankee Stadium and Joba is, well Joba. Both are gone after the season. And both could use a change of scenary. Maybe we can get something back that is a little better then a waiver wire cast off batting .180

    • tmarlin1221 - Jul 10, 2013 at 11:42 AM

      What is even funnier is that they can rebuild in 1 year and win yet another WS while your favorite team can raise an offseason championship trophy…yet again

      • turdfurgerson68 - Jul 10, 2013 at 11:47 AM

        The Yankees, cutting payroll are going to ‘rebuild’ and win the 2014 world series?

        I stand corrected… ALL Yankee fans = delusional.

      • ryanrockzzz - Jul 10, 2013 at 12:52 PM

        When money is not an option “rebuilding” seems pretty easy? Sad part is even with all of their resources teams like the Rays are still better, all while playing for mainly transplants from NYC in that craphole of a stadium and having no money to “rebuild” in a year if they wanted.

      • nes125 - Jul 10, 2013 at 12:55 PM

        Oh, I love it. All the Yankee haters come out whenever any sort of story comes out like this. We are five games out of the first place with a MASH unit, yet, NAH….no biggie….anyone can do that right?

        Did the same thing in 2005…roster gets the injury bug, bring up “no-names” like Wang, Cano, and Cabrera…same thing happens, yet, naysayers will say what they say always. Guys like Aaron Smalls….Aaron ‘freaking who??!??’ Smalls go 10-0 that year. Shawn Chacon …yea…not Iris Chacon , Shawn Chacon went 7-3 and back-ended a starting rotation in shambles. Starting infield for the Yankees: Overbay, Cano, Nix, Adams?!?!!….

        We are 5 games out of first…I will take that thank you very much. “ALL” Yankees fans are not delusional…hardly. More like maybe our “rebuilding” (if you want to call that this by the way, which I would not) may equate to still putting a competitive team on the field that is viable in making the playoffs. Again, if this 2013 team isnt the epitome of that, I do not know what is. And, as we have seen, once a team makes the playoffs, anything can happen.

  7. albertmn - Jul 10, 2013 at 11:24 AM

    Joba was going to be the next big thing. Just goes to show that the “sure thing” prospects don’t always become superstars, even though everyone forgets that every time a teams trades one of them.

    • turdfurgerson68 - Jul 10, 2013 at 11:28 AM

      Remember the ‘Joba Rules’, hahahaha?

      What a joke…

      • tmarlin1221 - Jul 10, 2013 at 11:39 AM

        Remember when Joba and Hughes led the yanks to a WS title…that was no joke

      • hittfamily - Jul 10, 2013 at 12:28 PM

        Remember when they finished in 4th place in 2013?

      • American of African Descent - Jul 10, 2013 at 1:22 PM

        Do you have tomorrow’s numbers for the Illinois lottery?

    • cackalackyank - Jul 10, 2013 at 11:03 PM

      Well, got the big part…

  8. rbj1 - Jul 10, 2013 at 11:34 AM

    Ivan Nova looks decent, as does David Phelps. And no “special rules” for those guys.

  9. Innocent Bystander - Jul 10, 2013 at 11:42 AM

    Is it too late to trade those guys to the Twins for Johan Santana? Worst trade Cashman didn’t make. Cost the Yanks the ’08 WS.

    • tmarlin1221 - Jul 10, 2013 at 11:49 AM

      yes because Johan Santana is doing such great things for the mets ?

      • dondada10 - Jul 10, 2013 at 12:38 PM

        His 2008 year was was spectacular. As was his 09.

      • cackalackyank - Jul 10, 2013 at 12:47 PM

        Key word there don is WAS..plus Santana would not be playing the infield every day…and would probably not hit much better than than the .180 -.200 cast offs do.

      • nes125 - Jul 10, 2013 at 12:57 PM

        Santana?!?!……

        huh?

      • dondada10 - Jul 10, 2013 at 1:16 PM

        You’re right: Johan Santana would not be playing the infield everyday. You’d have to give him some rest here and there.

    • jayscarpa - Jul 10, 2013 at 11:57 AM

      You may be right. If they signed Santana they may have gone from 3rd place to WS champs. By not signing him they were able to sign CC in 2009 and they did win the WS that year. They also have a guy who has been healthy and effective ever since.

      • cackalackyank - Jul 10, 2013 at 11:07 PM

        Exactly. Santana would just be another expensive decoration on that high priced DL. And he would not fill aa need that the NYY currently have… guys that play the infield that can hit.

  10. Tom in Desoto, TX - Jul 10, 2013 at 11:55 AM

    Joba on the move??? Will his new team dust off the book JABA RULES? It doesn’t seem they worked in NY, probably won’t work elseware.

  11. chip56 - Jul 10, 2013 at 11:58 AM

    I’m sure teams are lining up to give up players or prospects for a fat pitcher who can’t get anyone out and is about to be a free agent.

    • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Jul 10, 2013 at 12:24 PM

      Guys who can throw 98 tend to find takers. Some pitching coach could help him.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jul 10, 2013 at 1:49 PM

        He’ll probably go to some team like the Cards or White Sox, get taught a cutter or another pitch, and be an elite starter :(

      • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Jul 10, 2013 at 2:54 PM

        He had a Verlander-Jr repertoire when he started out. No reason he can’t be a good starter.

  12. chip56 - Jul 10, 2013 at 11:59 AM

    The worst part about the failings of Joba, Hughes and Kennedy is that I can no longer taunt my Met friends over Pulsipher, Isringhausen and Wilson.

  13. lazlosother - Jul 10, 2013 at 12:04 PM

    A fresh start would be good for both of them. Joba can still get it up there in the mid to high 90’s, and Hughes still shows promise (on average, every other start). With Phelps, Nova, Pineda and Nuno they won’t be missed.

    NY isn’t going anywhere with them and they walk at year end, may as well try to get something. I doubt they can get much but they don’t need much for it to be an upgrade.

  14. chip56 - Jul 10, 2013 at 12:08 PM

    You know what’s interesting about my fellow Yankee fans? We just saw Hughes and Joba spectacularly fail. Their top three pitching prospects the last couple of years were Andrew Brackman, Delin Betances and Manny Banuelos – one is out of baseball, one is a reliever and one is injured and yet there is supreme confidence in the ability of Phelps, Nova, Nuno to come in and take over the rotation.

    • turdfurgerson68 - Jul 10, 2013 at 1:05 PM

      Yet Cashman goes unscathed for the abysmally bad state of the Yankee farm system.

  15. sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Jul 10, 2013 at 12:28 PM

    If they trade Hughes for a late inning reliever, my head might explode. Just move Hughes back there and save the drama.

    Joba, on the other hand, has a better track record as a starter than Hughes. Perhaps a new start on a different team will let him find his way back to the rotation.

    I wish them both luck, and I would be happy ot see them succeed with new teams. But I would not be sad to see either go from the Yankees. Frankly I think the Yankees botched things with both more than I think these guys have failed.

    • dondada10 - Jul 10, 2013 at 12:40 PM

      I never understood why not move Hughes back to the pen. Give him the 7th along with Logan.

      Hughes was terrific out of the pen. His stuff is electric when he lets loose for an inning.

      • cackalackyank - Jul 10, 2013 at 12:53 PM

        Reasons: 1. Hughes has become a fly ball pitcher. 2. 81 home games in Yankee stadium. 3. The field dimensions of above named home stadium.= Hughes no longer a candidate for relief pitcher.

      • dondada10 - Jul 10, 2013 at 1:19 PM

        Phil Hughes career:

        OPS against as a reliever: .470
        OPS against as a starter: .760

        Also, fyi, Hughes only started in 07 and 08. He never relieved until 09, when the new stadium opened.

      • cackalackyank - Jul 10, 2013 at 9:36 PM

        You do realize the dimensions of the”New” stadium are basically the same as the old one was for the last 20 years, right?

  16. northstarsmitty - Jul 10, 2013 at 12:56 PM

    Who wants these 2 guys? You realize only because they play for the Yankees, they get this much attention. Andrew Burnett is just a whiff in the wind these days, yet he is arguably pitching better than he ever did in NY, for the Pirates now. Last AJ was on the Yanks, he was a constant name in the media for this and that. Get rid of these 2 awful pitchers and let their names dissapear for ages as we prepare to gab about Jeter and A-Rod for the rest of the season, for no reason since only Jeter will somewhat contribute, while A-Rod will just waste: money, a playoff spot for NY possibly, and a roster spot

  17. northstarsmitty - Jul 10, 2013 at 1:00 PM

    Also, for those delusional fans still grasping to Hughes as being worth keeping, Pineda is going to be called up the second he is dealt. That is a MAJOR upgrade, even if he is ice cold in the major leagues due to his long recovery. Hughes wants to be a starter, bullpen is more waste of time and experimenting. They could get a bat boy for Joba, that would do.

  18. northstarsmitty - Jul 10, 2013 at 1:09 PM

    The best observation in this thread: EVERYONE is debating the reason to trade 2 less than stellar players when the rotation and pen seem to be a strength, so why trade them? Simple, it has nothing to do with the current roster or success of the season. The real reason? A) “Let’s finally see what we got out of that Seattle trade- insert Pineda for Hughes B) Salary Cap. Why eat money when you get a snack in return from some poor team willing to take on either of these guys. Seems pretty straight forward to me

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jul 10, 2013 at 1:46 PM

      Pineda won’t be called up for a few weeks to give the Yanks another year of arbitration control. The salary cap is meaningless because A, there isn’t one, and B, Hughes is gone next year* for when the Yanks are trying to get below $189M for luxury tax purposes. Regardless, it’d be dumb to trade him away when the other pitching options aren’t that enticing. Pettitte has been hit hard since coming off the DL, Phelps and Nova are huge question marks, and the rest of the crap in the minors isn’t ready.

  19. xmatt0926x - Jul 10, 2013 at 1:53 PM

    Jesus Henry Christ. I know exactly where Joba is going. DON’T DO IT RUBEN!!!!!! NO!!!!! The only details left now are Amaro’s idea’s of how he can gut what little is left on the farm for this washed up beer league pitcher.

    I saw the Joba thing over on the baseball trade rumor site and the article said a National League team was strong in the running. All I saw was a big red “P” flashing in my head and the picture of Rube the boob at a press conference explaining why he made this disastrous move and why he gave up so much.

    • barrywhererufrom - Jul 10, 2013 at 2:06 PM

      As a Yankees fan this one would shock me if they someone who coul.d help on the major league level. Who would want players who they have no control of after this season. Tender them and.get.draft picks

    • cackalackyank - Jul 10, 2013 at 9:33 PM

      Don’t despair Phillie fan, the Cashman cometh. If he took Vernon Wells crap contract, maybe he will take Ryan Howard’s too. Now how to get Pujol’s and complete the set. This way the Yankee’s can own all the worst contracts in MLB.

  20. deathmonkey41 - Jul 10, 2013 at 2:10 PM

    Joba will most likely need to be traded to a team in a city that has banned trampolines- like that town banned dancing in Footloose. I can see Joba getting a Kenny Loggins soundtrack.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jul 10, 2013 at 2:32 PM

      Are you trying to say he’s in the danger zone?

  21. 13arod - Jul 10, 2013 at 2:23 PM

    cackalackyank the yanks are trying to trade joba to the phills for michal young and carlos ruiz

  22. spudchukar - Jul 10, 2013 at 3:45 PM

    Yanks called the Cards offering the pair, and the Cards quietly responded that they were satisfied with their AA Springfield roster.

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