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Mark Buehrle on Jays after loss: “Maybe we are overrated.”

Jul 20, 2013, 6:05 PM EDT

Blue Jays' Buehrle pauses on the mound during MLB American League baseball game against the Rays in Toronto Reuters

Since an 11-game winning streak that stretched from June 11-23, the Jays have lost 15 of 22 games, including their first two games coming out of the All-Star break. They lost to the Rays 4-3 this afternoon behind an adequate start by lefty Mark Buehrle, continuing to lose ground in the hyper-competitive AL East. Now at 45-51, the Jays are 13 games out of first place.

Today’s loss prompted a bit of unexpected honesty from Buehrle, who spoke to the media after the game. Via’s Chris Toman:

Buehrle is part of the problem, however. Today’s start bumped his ERA down to 4.83, the seventh-worst mark in the American League among starters with enough innings to qualify for the ERA title. He is 34 years old and still owed $37 million over the next two seasons, which is emblematic of the Jays right now — they already have over $110 million in player salary committed for the 2014 season. But at least these same Jays will be rated properly next year.

  1. juradura - Jul 20, 2013 at 6:11 PM

    It’s taken you 2 years of being last place in your division to figure that out?

    • blueballzny - Jul 20, 2013 at 6:16 PM

      What does him being on last place Miami last year have anything to do with the point of this article?

      • abbydarren - Jul 20, 2013 at 8:38 PM

        Pretty much 85% of their roster comes from losing cultures, off hand I can really only think of Mark DeRosa that has had at least some team success in his career, ya Reyes went to a World Series with the Mets but other then those 2 who else?

      • jwbiii - Jul 20, 2013 at 9:11 PM

        Mark Buehrle won a WS with the 2005 White Sox.
        J.A. Happ went a WS with the 2009 Phillies, but didn’t win.
        Darren Oliver went to two WS with the Rangers but didn’t win.
        Melky Cabrera won a WS with the 2009 Yankees.

        Several others have been to the playoffs but not to the WS.

      • buddaley - Jul 20, 2013 at 9:21 PM

        It doesn’t make sense to suggest that because a team acquires players from a non-competitive team those players will not contribute to making their new team a winner. After all, every season the contenders raid last place teams for their expensive players to put them over the top. The internet discussion around trade deadlines always center on debates over what sort of return the weaker teams can expect or should ask for to deal their stars.

        Would someone honestly claim that Felix Hernandez would not be worth adding to Boston or Texas because since he arrived in Seattle in 2005 they have had winning records only twice, never made the playoffs and lost 101 games twice? Or that prior to this year, McCutchen would not have helped the Rays or any other contender?

    • proudlycanadian - Jul 20, 2013 at 9:26 PM

      I am surprised that Bill still hasn’t correcteted his headline. He did misquote Buehrle.

      • proudlycanadian - Jul 20, 2013 at 9:28 PM

        Edit function “corrected”. If I can make a correction, why can’t Bill.

  2. kingscourt25 - Jul 20, 2013 at 6:19 PM

    paging proudlycanadian

    • proudlycanadian - Jul 20, 2013 at 6:34 PM

      Obviously Buehrle and Johnson have underperformed. They may not be back next year. Injuries to Morrow and Happ did not help either. Have no fear. Drabek and Hutchinson are recovering from Tommy John surgery and could pitch in the majors this season. In Buffalo, Romero is showing signs of returning to form. Down in Double A, both Stoman and Nolin are pitching quite well.

      • Kevin Gillman - Jul 20, 2013 at 6:45 PM

        But in fairness every season we have a team that many experts say will win the division, or make the playoffs, and evey year those people are wrong. These teams sometimes believe their own hype, and just think they don’t have to do anything else, that the wins will come. Ultimately, it is on the players to play, and win. Even Bautista seems underwhelming, yet he has 20 HRs this season.

      • proudlycanadian - Jul 20, 2013 at 6:52 PM

        Bautista hit number 22 today. He also missed some time due to an injury. He is also coming off major wrist surgery last year.

      • Kevin Gillman - Jul 20, 2013 at 6:57 PM

        Don’t get me wrong, the dude is a beast, and I am not saying “Big deal, he has 22 HRs”, I am just saying that when he does play, and when I have seen him, he just doesn’t seem to be the same player I had seen him even last season.

        I’ll give you an example here, I am an Indians fan, so when they played the Jays, and I saw Bautista up prior to this season, I already felt like he would hit another HR. But this season, he just hasn’t done well against the Indians. I think he has 1 or 2 HRs, but the Indians have handled him very well, and this goes with the mindset that no matter how much money the team spends in the offseason, ultimately you still have to play the game on the field. And in my opinion, he still sets the tone.

      • proudlycanadian - Jul 20, 2013 at 7:49 PM

        Bautista missed most of the second half of last season due to a wrist injury that required surgery. At times this season, he has looked rusty at the plate and his timing has been off. He has homered in both games since the break and seems to be primed foe a fine second half.

      • Kevin Gillman - Jul 20, 2013 at 8:47 PM

        We will see how the Jays do then. Because he still is the face of the team, and as he goes, so do the Jays.

      • proudlycanadian - Jul 20, 2013 at 6:49 PM

        A name to watch for next year is outfielder Kevin Pillar who has been hitting up a storm in both Double A and Triple A this year. Until recently has been completely overlooked by scouts and Baseball America types because of his age. He was drafted in the thirty second round in 2011 and turned 24 in January. He has hit well at every level and has some power and base stealing ability.

      • kingscourt25 - Jul 20, 2013 at 8:22 PM

        Good man. At least you haven’t disappeared like other Jays fans.

      • proudlycanadian - Jul 20, 2013 at 9:23 PM

        No reason to disappear. Nor have the fans. Attendance is up nicely. The Jays were favored by the bookies prior to the season; however, injuries to players such as Happ, Morrow, Johnson, Reyes and Lawrie have hurt. Even if they do not make the playoffs, the team is better off than it was last year. Next season, the rotation should be younger and healthier. Hutchinson is the pitcher I want to see perform next season. Johnson will be a free agent next season so he has an incentive to perform in the second half. Last year he had a strong second half. “If” Buehrle does not perform, he may be placed on waivers in August in the hope that someone claims him. Dickey has been uneven, but is going nowhere.

      • abbydarren - Jul 20, 2013 at 8:40 PM

        Nobody is more of a Canadian than me and I do love/hate the Jays but you’re reaching.

      • dirtyharry1971 - Jul 20, 2013 at 9:37 PM

        yea like drabek is gonna help, another long list of bluejay BUSTS!!

      • dirtyharry1971 - Jul 21, 2013 at 9:55 AM

        Obviously Buehrle and Johnson have underperformed? You can add Dickey to that long list as well and don’t blame injuries to your #5 starter (Happ) as being a reason for the jays last place record. Everyone pitched in on this train wreck!!

  3. missthemexpos - Jul 20, 2013 at 6:25 PM

    Note to Toronto: now is the time to sell, sell sell.

    • jcmeyer10 - Jul 20, 2013 at 6:27 PM

      Unless there is a warranty…

      • anthonyverna - Jul 20, 2013 at 9:50 PM

        Can there be a warranty when you buy half the Marlins?

    • dirtyharry1971 - Jul 21, 2013 at 3:09 AM

      True its time to sell as usual for Toronto but who wants anything they have? I know I sure as hell dont

      • jimeejohnson - Jul 21, 2013 at 3:39 AM

        Toronto’s a world class city and you’re a world class hater.

      • Old Gator - Jul 21, 2013 at 9:35 AM

        You’re giving him way too much credit. He is a predictable one note bore. I’m not even a Jays fan but when I see his handle scroll up I know exactly what to expect, and he never…fails…to….zzzzzzzzz…..

  4. buffalo65 - Jul 20, 2013 at 7:10 PM

    Pillar is a 4th OF at best. I am a jays fan and even though the team has sucked I am happy ownership has stepped up and the fans are back out. Even with the lousy results TO is a baseball town again.

  5. buffalo65 - Jul 20, 2013 at 7:10 PM

    Sell a couple guys off, reset and win next year with lower expectations.

  6. doclolly - Jul 20, 2013 at 7:18 PM

    Idk what people were expecting. We forget that most of the players came from the Marlins after they failed to do anything last season and that was in the NL East, the AL east is much tougher

    • dirtyharry1971 - Jul 21, 2013 at 3:11 AM

      all the so called experts including greg which isn’t saying much said the jays would win the AL East. I bet he wont remember that one as USUAL!!!

  7. buffalo65 - Jul 20, 2013 at 7:38 PM

    Yes because guys that play on a bad team will never succeed….right.

  8. jaysfan64 - Jul 20, 2013 at 9:00 PM

    They’re like the little girl with the curl this season…and yes, Bautista has looked mortal this season..he hasn’t really looked comfortable at the plate yet…the whole team doesn’t look right…and BTW PC – although Pillar has looked good this season he’s been projected as a 4th OF on a contender or a starting LF on a second division club…in Buffalo Gose has nosedived too and is pissing off the brass..
    I think we all may have been seduced somewhat by the marketing – but let’s keep in mind this is a 3 year window (coincidentally the remaining time on Bautista’s contract) so we have to try to keep things in perspective here…Rome wasn’t built in a day and when you change the core of a team like the Jays were changed over the offseason it takes time for things to come together…yes they desperately need upgrades at 2B, C, and in the rotation but those won’t happen probably til offseason…patience is the order of the day…

    • dirtyharry1971 - Jul 21, 2013 at 3:13 AM

      Let me spell it out to you, The jays have NO PITCHING and the hitting they do have are aiming for the moon!! Yes they WHIFF WAYYYYYYYYYYYY TO MUCH!!! But AA thought this was a good team to put together, I hope you guys keep this loser of a GM, Believe me I DO

    • Shayna - Jul 21, 2013 at 6:47 AM

      I’m glad someone mentioned the problems up the middle. From catcher to 2b/ss, w e have been having serious trouble. I know Lawrie is struggling to get used to 2B and he’s recently back from the DL. But turning a double play is the absolute fundamental qualification for a middle infielder. Lawrie doesn’t seem to be able to do it right now. I’d be happier with him back at 3B and Kawasaki–weak bat and all!–handling the double play.

      PS Come home, Aaron Hill. All is forgiven.

  9. tfbuckfutter - Jul 20, 2013 at 9:05 PM



  10. dirtyharry1971 - Jul 20, 2013 at 9:35 PM

    It took mark this long to realize that? this team was overrated right from the start and will not be doing anything different next season either. AA and Gibbons have to be fired after this train wreck!!!

  11. abaird2012 - Jul 20, 2013 at 9:38 PM

    Where’s Harry? The corpse needs a little kicking.

    • abaird2012 - Jul 20, 2013 at 9:39 PM

      Never mind. He’s here. A little late, but here.

      • dirtyharry1971 - Jul 21, 2013 at 3:15 AM

        Im never far away when it comes to the jays, redsuks, or Sillies. Hate all three but they jays are #1 in that hatred. Always hated that country and if I was president of the USA we would start bombing tomorrow.

    • theskinsman - Jul 21, 2013 at 3:37 AM

      Harry can’t post unless his 4th place team wins…and that doesn’t happen every day.

      • dirtyharry1971 - Jul 21, 2013 at 9:58 AM

        Hey at least I wasn’t silly enough to think they were going to win it all going into this season, unlike jays fans who really thought by getting a few marlin players was going to put them over the top

      • nbjays - Jul 21, 2013 at 5:09 PM

        Sure they were… don’t try to lie to us. Bandwagon Yankee fans like you ALWAYS think they deserve to win it all every year.

  12. pisano - Jul 20, 2013 at 9:51 PM

    “Maybe we are overrated” Gee, ya think, good God this guy is slow to catch on.

  13. paint771 - Jul 20, 2013 at 11:05 PM

    I think both things are true – the Jays are both nowhere near as good as pre-season prognosticators had them – which says as much about pre-season prognostication as it does about the Jays btw – and they’re also nowhere near as bad as their record suggests.

    I could go on about the prognostication – lets go back to the “I told you so” guys and see the rest I’d their team projections and see how many thought the BoSox and Orioles would be great, the pirates and cardinals would be the real deal, or had anything useful to predict about the NL East teams.

    But as far as the Jays are concerned this is still a franchise with an awful lot of guys underperforming, an awful lot of controllable talent and good buys, and one that has a pretty damn decent window to reasonably contend as presently constructed. This ain’t a team going all in on a year and losing thus casting themselves into the abyss, or a team like the Yankees or Phillies hoping to squeeze one more run out of what they got but out of ideas beyond that. The Jays are a lot more like the Nationals or whoever – built smart, built to win, lots of talent, not winning. But of those four things, “not winning” is, in some ways, the one most likely to iron itself out (presuming the other three are true). And for as many teams that made a splash or were projected high and didnt win the next year, you can also find teams that made a splash, didnt win the next year, started winning consistently after that. Or you can find treats that just never made a splash at all and were content not pushing to win. Of those two kinds of teams, I’d rather be the Rangers than the Royals.

    • dirtyharry1971 - Jul 21, 2013 at 10:01 AM

      what controllable talent are you talking about? The young players they have like drabek, gose have all failed in the majors big time and the other guys on this team like dickey, Johnson, burhele, that’s old washed up talent. You aint gonna get anything for those guys

  14. indaburg - Jul 21, 2013 at 1:38 AM

    Well, I find his honesty refreshing.

  15. dirtyharry1971 - Jul 21, 2013 at 3:20 AM

    I LOVE this part SOOOOOOOOOO much, I mean just think folks? Mark is back next year, nobody and I mean nobody is gonna take this contract and Dickey is back next year too and im not sure about Josh Johnson but GOD, oh please GOD, the jays need him too BADLY!!! In otherwords, the jays will have NO pitching next year either and will hold up the AL East basement and really this is where they belong folks. Nobody shows up for their games, nobody cares, they need to have the expos on their schedule for every game, in otherwords its time to go to heaven for the jays! hahahahhhahaa bye bye!!

    Buehrle is part of the problem, however. Today’s start bumped his ERA down to 4.83, the seventh-worst mark in the American League among starters with enough innings to qualify for the ERA title. He is 34 years old and still owed $37 million over the next two seasons, which is emblematic of the Jays right now — they already have over $110 million in player salary committed for the 2014 season. But at least these same Jays will be rated properly next year.

    • nbjays - Jul 21, 2013 at 1:52 PM

      “Nobody shows up for their games.”

      If you are going to be an immature, spiteful, hate-filled troll, at least try to be an informed one. Attendance is up big time this year (over 42k at yesterday’s game).

      This is why I won’t ever take you seriously, ‘harry. You just spew the same garbage over and over without looking at facts. Now I know why you were never on here during the winning streak… you can’t bear to see the Jays win.

      It must be sad to be so small minded and petty. However, since you are a Yankee fan, I won’t waste any pity on you.

      • dirtyharry1971 - Jul 21, 2013 at 4:29 PM

        You are 14th in the MLB in Attendance, granted that’s a lot better then I ever expected and its a lot better then what it normally is but after this train wreck of a season I expect to see that number drop back to where it usually is. You know like 24th in the league? Cause at the end of the day nobody cares about baseball in Canada except for a very small handful of people and it never belonged there anyway, go watch hockey

      • nbjays - Jul 21, 2013 at 5:11 PM

        Yep, same garbage day after day. If only you had the intelligence to post something thoughtful and informed. So sad…

  16. buffalo65 - Jul 21, 2013 at 6:54 AM

    Lawrie back at 3rd, not sure why anyone has an issue with Reyes at SS or Rasmus in CF. need a 2b, Kawasaki is no answer, he’s a 26th man on a roster. (As in he shouldn’t be there). Also need a veteran catcher that can slap JPA around a bit.

  17. buffalo65 - Jul 21, 2013 at 6:56 AM

    We all seem in a hurry to run JPA out of town but are wanting Hill back. Think about this people. Same folks that wished Hill away are now ready to release JPA.

  18. buffalo65 - Jul 21, 2013 at 7:04 AM

    As for Harry, keep watching and spending your time writing about teams you hate. An excellent way to spend your time.

  19. buffalo65 - Jul 21, 2013 at 7:07 AM

    And why on earth would anyone hate Canada?? Because we are too nice? Too clean?? Or would you just blow us up because one of our cities has a baseball team. Please explain your logic….on second thought, maybe you shouldn’t.

    • nbjays - Jul 21, 2013 at 1:53 PM

      Harry and logic??? Seriously? You just described the ultimate oxymoron, Buff.

    • dirtyharry1971 - Jul 21, 2013 at 4:26 PM

      If I was the president of the USA the first thing I would do is declare war on Canada and blow them right off the map

      • nbjays - Jul 21, 2013 at 5:12 PM

        Well, with your level of intellect, we never have to worry about that. You make W look like Einstein. So sad…

  20. f352421 - Jul 21, 2013 at 12:48 PM

    please fire alex anthopoulos

  21. nbjays - Jul 21, 2013 at 5:14 PM

    I think I just found my calling… PC and Cur have dirtyharry1971 as their personal troll… well ‘harry now has ME as his personal troll. Methinks this could be fun…

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