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Ryan Braun should be pretty darn happy with 65 games

Jul 22, 2013, 7:04 PM EDT

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Ryan Braun is suspended for the rest of the year, which means a 65 game suspension. Those 65 games will cost him about $3.5 million.

It’s an absolute steal for Braun, methinks.

Partially because of what he could have faced. If you believe the reports which have flown hither and tither for the past few weeks, Major League Baseball was bound to bring the hammer down on Braun. Maybe 100 games! Maybe life! I doubt it actually would have come to that, and if it did, Braun could have fought hard against it, even if it was only to try to force some compromise. But now he doesn’t do that and Major League Baseball gets a pretty big head on a pretty tall pike.

Why didn’t he do that? Probably because the league had him dead to rights. But there are two other reasons why this works out as the best case scenario in what is overall a bad situation for the former NL MVP.

First, it’s a nice time for a break. Braun’s season has been riddled with injuries and the Brewers season has turned into a pretty depressing slog. The team wasn’t going to do anything this year and Braun was going to probably have nagging injuries which would keep him from doing anything to cut out and put in the personal scrapbook. Now, with his suspension limited to one season, he can get healthy, take the winter off and come back fresh in spring training 2014. It’s a win for him in that narrow regard and a win for Brewers fans who don’t have to face parts of multiple seasons without their best players.

Financially, though, now is the time for Braun to take his medicine. People may not realize it, but Braun is a pretty low-paid superstar at the moment. His 2013 salary: about $10 million. That’s part of a structured long term extension he signed in 2011 which has things really starting to escalate from 2016 through 2020, when he’ll make around $19 million. Sixty-five games at his rate right now is way better than 50 games — or less — next year.

Obviously this is not any sort of actual win for Braun. He’s suspended and his name is Mudd for the rest of his career. But he’ll be back to being a regular baseball player next season. And a highly paid one at that.

100 Comments (Feed for Comments)
  1. kev86 - Jul 22, 2013 at 7:07 PM

    Fraud!!! Liar and a cheat. Get lost you bum!

    • sfsugator - Jul 22, 2013 at 7:59 PM

      Baseball is tarnished they tried to take away or at least make people forget about all the excitement baseball was in the 90′s an early 2000′s before they started making up rules on roids. Guess what baseball geeks bonds is the all time home run king and its awesome and this doucher is a liar.

      • pjmarn6 - Jul 22, 2013 at 9:19 PM

        Craig Calcaterra, the apologist strikes again! When is this idiot going to understand that baseball has to be played cleanly. All these doped up players should be banned outright. The blacksox players were banned and these modern day cheaters should be banned also.
        Give the fans what they paid for, a clean game!

  2. chc4 - Jul 22, 2013 at 7:10 PM

    Craig– you’re such a tool. Even now you will try to put the best possible player spin on this. No mention of him being a liar, cheat, general scum bag for slandering the everday jor that handled his urine specimen last year. Instead you focus on how smart he is for taking the suspension now. You, sir, are now a cartoon character.

    • rpb1234 - Jul 22, 2013 at 7:16 PM

      Dude, He was just pointing out an observation about the situation. How do you read this as an endorsement of Braun

    • smoothaswilkes - Jul 22, 2013 at 7:25 PM

      Maybe your a tad blinded in your rage or you didn’t read all of Craig’s posts this afternoon.

      “That’s nice. Although it doesn’t account for the statements he made last year in which he impugned the integrity — however obliquely — of the MLB contractor who was responsible for shipping his sample. Nor has he acknowledged that he lied in his public statements regarding the nature of his relationship with Anthony Bosch earlier this year when he said his legal team used him as a consultant”

      Here is the link. Take a read and make some more unnecessary comments.

      http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/07/22/mlb-commends-ryan-braun-for-taking-responsibility-which-ok-i-guess-he-partially-did/

      • blabidibla - Jul 22, 2013 at 10:01 PM

        As I recall Craig himself used the MLB contractor as a punch line during last year’s debate.

    • American of African Descent - Jul 22, 2013 at 10:03 PM

      Perhaps had the “everyday jo[e]” who handled Braun’s specimen in 2011 done it correctly, there would not have been an issue in the first place.

  3. buffalo65 - Jul 22, 2013 at 7:10 PM

    Maybe he’s injured cause he’s coming off the juice. Brewers should try and void his deal. May never be the same player again.

    • gopackgo5212 - Jul 22, 2013 at 7:18 PM

      First, they can’t void the deal. Second, He is still a great player. His reputation has been rightfully tarnished, but he is a great baseball player. The brewers should really look to trade him at the next trade deadline. Teams would still lineup to get him. Probably should have done that this year, but cant anymore.

      • nsauser - Jul 22, 2013 at 7:29 PM

        Yea you are right, it makes financial sense for the Brewers to get rid of him. He’s tainted and who really knows if coming off the juice is causing him to breakdown. Even if they have to pay a portion of the backloaded deal its probable best to rip the band-aid off if he has a good year next year.

        Also, I would like to see one of these teams force litigation upon one of these players who knowingly earned a contract by defrauding the team (Arod). I realize there may be legal or contractual conditions that I’m not aware of but I’d really like to see one of these teams take a player to court.

      • mrznyc - Jul 24, 2013 at 8:16 AM

        You have no idea how good a player he is off the juice – Obviously he believes he is no where near a great player off the juice or he wouldn’t have taken the chances he took to stay on the juice. Going forward, the Brewers have a big problem on their hands.

  4. bbk1000 - Jul 22, 2013 at 7:12 PM

    I have nothing to say..unlike other days….

    bbk1000 – Jul 10, 2013 at 7:17 AM
    I like repetitive zingers.
    You’re an A-Roid lover.
A-Roid is A-Fraud
Lyin’ Ryan
    Zingers….zingers zingers zingers zingers…now I’m being repetitive in writing zingers, which I love as well.

    bbk1000 – Feb 16, 2013 at 6:35 AM
    To all the fools who thought Braun was innocent of the original positive test:
    You’re stupid.
    Thank You,
Reality Check

    bbk1000 – Feb 6, 2013 at 6:28 AM
    HAHA, I remember fools on this board saying he was innocent….what a bunch of boobs…

    bbk1000 – Sep 30, 2012 at 9:19 AM
    Lyin’ Ryan….all those guys aside from Aaron have something going for them….

    Lyin’ Ryan got away with it, anybody thinking otherwise is being a bit naive.
    The folks that are buying this crap now? Well, they are just plain stupid.

    bbk1000 – Feb 24, 2012 at 2:25 PM
    How about this, bear with me as I’m thinking out of the box here….
    If you fail a test, you are required to drink the urine sample of the person who failed immediately before you….I’m thinking everybody would get off PED’s real fast….just an idea…

    bbk1000 – Feb 23, 2012 at 10:04 PM
    What a joke……another reason MLB drug testing is a joke…

    • mrpinkca - Jul 22, 2013 at 7:21 PM

      To think, most bands have to wait at least 10 years to release a greatest hits album.

      • bbk1000 - Jul 22, 2013 at 7:31 PM

        haha….I believe I received mostly thumbs down the first time, it’ll happen again, so no greatest hits here.

        I actually was going to post the quotes from the fools who believed him, but there were just too many to choose from….

      • Old Gator - Jul 22, 2013 at 7:46 PM

        No, you’re going to receive thumbs down because you’re a gloating asshole who can’t wait to remind us how smart you think you are.

        Than again, I guess we should be only so grateful that all you did was re-post the same asinine comments you made before. In a way, that’s preferable to having to skim over yet another example of your self-congratulatory bullshit.

      • bbk1000 - Jul 22, 2013 at 8:05 PM

        Talk about asinine comments…I think you have cornered the market…

        Old Gator – Mar 20, 2013 at 12:34 PM
        So if Braun is “Public Enemy Number One” and they nail him, do they get to put his hot dog and macaroons in a jar of formaldehyde and send them to the Hall of Fame – or does the Smithsonian have some kind of claim on them already?

        Old Gator – Mar 20, 2013 at 12:16 PM
        That’s strange. A small container of leftover guacamole disappeared behind some milk cartons in my fridge, and when I found it a week later, it just reeked of testosterone.

      • historiophiliac - Jul 22, 2013 at 8:26 PM

        he he The testosterone in the guacamole is funny all over again. Thanks.

      • Old Gator - Jul 22, 2013 at 8:28 PM

        And you discern me bloviating about how wrong everyone else was and patting myself on the back for being right in my suspicions….where? You could make a career of moving goal posts. All you need is a shovel, which would come in handy for a variety of other uses to which you could definitely put it.

  5. rpb1234 - Jul 22, 2013 at 7:12 PM

    Craig, Not to turn this into another Arod thread, but… How would it work for Arod “insurance wise” if he were suspended while being on the DL? Be interesting to see how the policy is written. Be a kick in the b@lls to justice if he were able to collect disability while being suspended.

    • rbj1 - Jul 22, 2013 at 7:22 PM

      He’d be suspended without pay, Yankees don’t pay him so there’s no need for insurance.

  6. deadeyedesign23 - Jul 22, 2013 at 7:16 PM

    You’re making the argument for much harsher penalties for offenders. That huge pay increase he’ll recieve was earned on the back of steroids. Even having been caught, you think it was worth him doing it? I certainly do.

  7. stoutfiles - Jul 22, 2013 at 7:17 PM

    “My name was dragged through the mud. … Today is for anyone who has been wrongly accused and everyone who stood up for what’s right. It’s about future players and the game of baseball.”

    Lying sack of s***.

  8. tbutler704 - Jul 22, 2013 at 7:18 PM

    People only care so much about Braun. Now it’s time for Yankee superstar Alex Rodriguez.

    Hopefully Bud goes big with ARod. 3 years. 500 games.

    Go big or go home, Allan Huber Selig.

    • Old Gator - Jul 22, 2013 at 7:47 PM

      I think you mean Yankee former superstar Alex Rodriguez, don’t you?

  9. dglelite - Jul 22, 2013 at 7:19 PM

    two things

    1) NO WAY IN HELL WOULD I SUSPEND HIM FOR THE REST OF THIS YEAR. He should have to stick it out playing the rest of this year, feeling the ridicule of being a lying cheat for the 65 games of this disastrous Milwaukee season. And then NEXT SEASON he should be suspended for 65 games. He is getting out of playing the rest of a lost season for the Brewers. He should not get off that easily!

    2) The Fedex guy better get a GREAT lawyer and sue this lying cheat for a good $10-20 million MINIMUM. His name was dragged through the mud for no reason whatsoever!

    • gopackgo5212 - Jul 22, 2013 at 7:22 PM

      He got suspended. Now you want to determine when he gets suspended too? I agree he should have to pay the fed ex guy though. Not 20 million but at least 5 maybe 10.

      • dglelite - Jul 22, 2013 at 7:23 PM

        suspending a guy on a team that has no shot at the postseason has less teeth than suspending him at the beginning of the season when every team has a chance.

        just my opinion

      • gopackgo5212 - Jul 22, 2013 at 7:28 PM

        I agree, but he is still suspended and he will have to live with being called a cheat for the rest of his life. Rightfully so too. But it isnt the brewers fault they put their trust in this guy. Look at him defending himself. He is a very convincing liar.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jul 22, 2013 at 7:27 PM

      2) The Fedex guy better get a GREAT lawyer and sue this lying cheat for a good $10-20 million MINIMUM. His name was dragged through the mud for no reason whatsoever!

      HOLY SHIT HE DIDN’T WORK FOR FEDEX! How many times does this have to be brought up?

      And, regardless of today’s news, the man in question still didn’t do his job properly. Yes Braun said some horrible shit about him in the press, but the “courier” still didn’t abide by the testing protocol.

      • dglelite - Jul 22, 2013 at 7:43 PM

        I don’t give crap who he worked for…he deserves to be compensated for stuff that was said about him…

      • Old Gator - Jul 22, 2013 at 7:54 PM

        Here’s the problem, and remember that it’s the American legal system and its palace of technicalities we’re talking about here: unless the evidence MLB has for Braun’s dealings with Bufogenesis directly relates to the urine test Braun “failed,” the guy he badmouthed for not doing his job correctly hasn’t really got much of a legal leg to stand on. He still didn’t do his job correctly in that particular instance. You can’t hang a guy for a crime you can’t prove he committed because you can prove he committed a different one – circumstantial evidence from other situations are routinely barred from presentation of evidence in both civil and criminal trials. My guess is that all the guy could do would be to try to pressure Braun into some kind of settlement just to go away, but if Braun’s lawyers decided to fight it, the guy could just run himself up some huge legal bills and wind up with nothing but a pile of debt.

        Like anything else that goes into an American courtroom, it’s still a crapshoot. That’s a shame, but that is the reality of it. One thing this guy could do that’d be foolproof is try to market his story to the tabloids, TV or a book deal.

      • pharmerbrown - Jul 22, 2013 at 8:07 PM

        the specimen collector did do his job properly. he was instructed by his employer to maintain samples under his guard until such a time when immediate delivery could be arranged. He was instructed to do so since 2005. This handling is consistent with WADA.

        The BS science Braun and his legal team introduced was merely distractive. Testosterone doesn’t grow in urine samples. Period.

        You are correct about him not working for FedEx. It was Collective Drug Testing, a third-party supplier of drug sample collection and testing services.

        Citation: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-400_162-57386945/ryan-brauns-sample-collector-denies-tampering/

        There are numerous other instances where this is the correct protocol. It’s what Qwest Diagnostics uses routinely in support of court cases, employment hearings, etc.

      • Old Gator - Jul 22, 2013 at 8:37 PM

        All of which may be true, but the fact is that the arbitrator, in a legal process agreed upon by MLB, determined that whether he followed standard or recommended scientific procedure or not, he did not follow the procedure required by the drug testing provisions of MLB. He wasn’t submitting a scientific paper to Nature or the Journal of the American Urological Association. He was being assessed according to the rules of the job he was supposed to do. Like it or not, doing your job correctly still includes following the procedures specified for the conduct of your employment and the requirements of your clients, and he did not follow those procedures correctly.

      • infectorman - Jul 22, 2013 at 9:25 PM

        is this poor slob who worked for Collective Drug Collection also responsible for poking holes in Richard -Adderall – Sherman’s sample cup?

  10. Bob Loblaw - Jul 22, 2013 at 7:21 PM

    I guess the PEDs didn’t magically appear in his tainted sample. I guess the triple sealed sample, that the lab testified was still intact, really did mean that nobody tampered with the sample. Yeah, the guy held it an extra 24 hours when he shouldn’t have. And yeah, Braun won the appeal fair and square. But hopefully all the people (Craig included) who chastized those of us who said Braun got off on a TECHNICALITY…yeah I said it Craig…TECHNICALITY…are enjoying THEIR crow for not calling a cheat a cheat. You can write all the articles in the world bashing Bruan now Craig, and it will always be too late for me. You lost all PED writing credibility in my eyes.

    • padraighansen - Jul 22, 2013 at 7:46 PM

      Failure to follow a specified and iron-clad process is not a technicality. The next time you’re in court arguing against a breach in jointly agreed procedure, just refer to it as a technicality.

      • Bob Loblaw - Jul 22, 2013 at 7:53 PM

        World English Dictionary

        technicality:

        1. a petty formal point arising from a strict interpretation of rules, etc: the case was dismissed on a technicality

        The example even pretty much states my case. Thanks World Dictionary.

        Here’s all you need to know. Sample contained Braun’s piss, riddled with PEDs. Sample was tested. Braun was found guilty. During his appeal, it was found that the sample was held an extra 24 hours in a fridge. Chain of custody was found to have been broken. Braun’s conviction was overturned.

        Technically, he cheated. However, he got off on a technicality.

      • Old Gator - Jul 22, 2013 at 7:57 PM

        The problem is, you consulted an English dictionary. Funny things happen to words when they’re used in a court of law. You can throw your English dictionary out the window, and resort to the Pidgin Gibberish Dictionary of American Legal Terminology. The word will look a lot different in there.

      • padraighansen - Jul 22, 2013 at 8:02 PM

        So, using your World Dictionary, this could still be a technicality:

        Our contract with X stipulates that X must do A,B,C, and D, and then deliver the completed ABCD work product to Y within 24 hours of completion. Failure to comply with this protocol will be considered a breach and invalidate this agreement and all monies due X.

        “X” doesn’t submit the work product within 24 hours as stipulated in the contract, and as a result, the contract is in breach and invalidated, with no monies due X, per the terms of the contract.

        So, yeah – in your broad vocabulary where “watchmacallit” can refer to any object whose name you cannot immediately recall, I guess you could refer to “breach” as a “technicality”.

        But technically, you are incorrect.

      • pharmerbrown - Jul 22, 2013 at 8:13 PM

        How is this iron-clad? Have you seen the solution stability validation reports for testosterone in urine?

        The MLB Joint Drug Agreement did not state that if it wasn’t delivered within 24 hours, then it is invalid; the JDA was silent in regards to after-hour sample submissions.

    • Barb Caffrey - Jul 23, 2013 at 1:35 AM

      To me, due process is extremely important.

      I also do not like much of how MLB handled this affair — they tried Braun in the court of public opinion before they finally let him know what, exactly, they actually had in the way of evidence. We, the fans, still do *not* know exactly what MLB has on Braun, and as Braun isn’t about to tell us, we still don’t really know what we’re supposed to do next.

      I believed Braun when he said he didn’t do this, primarily because his body shape didn’t change and his power numbers also didn’t change. I also believed that MLB didn’t handle his last appeal properly and was unhappy that so much of what happened the last time happened — you guessed it — in the court of public opinion rather than anything having to do with whatever the reality truly is.

      That said, I’m extremely disappointed in Ryan Braun. As a Brewers fan, I’m also disappointed that such a fine player will not be out on the field as we have very little to cheer for right now — Aramis Ramirez is still on the DL, Corey Hart has been on the DL all year and will not return in ’13, and Carlos Gomez doesn’t appear to be 100% healthy, either — and very little offense, to boot.

      But as a person, I’m disappointed in Ryan Braun, because I gave him the benefit of the doubt. And it appears he was not worthy of it.

      However, in my opinion, if Braun just does what Brett Favre did with regards to the Vicodin usage back in the day — that is, admits it, goes to rehab or whatever the equivalent is for someone who may well have used PEDs for a very long time, and then is clean the rest of his career — I’ll forgive him.

      And I’ll do so because I believe that none of us are perfect. (It’s just that most of us are fortunate enough to live our complicated, messy lives outside the public eye, that’s all.)

  11. stoutfiles - Jul 22, 2013 at 7:22 PM

    Braun got his huge contract with the power of ‘roids, and only has to miss payment for 65 games. He already won.

    This doesn’t stop cheating. Do steroids, get a big contract with those steroids, miss 100 games max. Cheaters need to be BANNED FOR LIFE.

    • dglelite - Jul 22, 2013 at 7:25 PM

      i wonder if there is any recourse in renegotiating contracts based on false pretenses (like he earned that contract free from PED’s or steroids)

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jul 22, 2013 at 7:28 PM

        No, there’s zero. This has been covered ad nauseum. These players can’t be convicted of fraud. Their contracts can’t be terminated.

        If the MLBPA/MLB wants those options, they have to write them into the next JDA/CBA.

      • Bob Loblaw - Jul 22, 2013 at 7:55 PM

        If the owners had any balls, they would fight for this. But they don’t and they won’t. Because they can posture all they want, but the fact is that they love the long-ball as much as the fans who pack the stadium. And what owners WOULDN’T want his/her $100 million dollar stud to do anything he can to get back on the field as fast as possible? If it was such a big deal to the owners, they would have fought for it in the latest CBA. But they were so proud to rub it in the NFL’s face that they have no union problems that they simply look the other way.

    • gopackgo5212 - Jul 22, 2013 at 7:26 PM

      I agree he cheated, but you think he has been doing them forever? He failed one test in 2011. I think he deserves to be punished, but I also think he is still a great player. Just a crappy person.

      • markisb62 - Jul 23, 2013 at 11:35 AM

        This is to gopackgo….

        Dude, you’re an idiotic dumbass… You “think Braun is STILL a great player, he’s JUST a crappy person?”

        “JUST” a crappy person?? But gosh, “STILL” a great player?

        Chumly, what boat are you missing here?

        What is more important, being a good player or being an honest, decent, upright human being? Obviously by your name you’re a Wisconsin homie, but that doesn’t excuse stupidity.

        “Hey I’m from Wisconsin, my athlete heros are all crappy people, but hey it doesn’t matter cuz’ they’re still great players.

        Go to school man…. The school of life!

  12. upperdecker19 - Jul 22, 2013 at 7:28 PM

    Hmmm…lose $3.5 million in salary and have your reputation scarred for life, but keep the rest of the $120 million contract that was earned based upon cheating.

    That’s a deal most of us would take in a heartbeat.

    When sports get around to automatically voiding contracts of these cheaters….big time change will occur.

  13. Carl Hancock - Jul 22, 2013 at 7:30 PM

    The Hardball Talk apologist for PED’s in baseball writes a column saying how Braun getting a 65 game suspension is a good thing because now he can get healthy for 2014 since the Brewers weren’t going to do anything in 2013 anyway. Why am I not surprised?

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jul 22, 2013 at 7:53 PM

      Because you have the ability to magically skip all the parts where Craig says things like:
      Obviously this is not any sort of actual win for Braun.

      But now he doesn’t do that and Major League Baseball gets a pretty big head on a pretty tall pike.

      Why didn’t he do that? Probably because the league had him dead to rights.

      So yeah, Craig definitely said it was a good thing.

    • pjmarn6 - Jul 22, 2013 at 9:29 PM

      I have been getting plenty of thumbs down for saying exactly what Carl Hancock is right in saying. Craig Calcaterra should be getting a commission from all the ball players he has defended since the drug scandal started.

      • Old Gator - Jul 22, 2013 at 9:56 PM

        The problem is, Halfcocked is dead wrong in his “assessment” of Craig as an “apologist” for anything other than due process – and you’re halfwitted for following his willful misreading like some dumb sheep.

      • pjmarn6 - Jul 23, 2013 at 10:15 AM

        Old Gator: Get swallowed by some python and learn to read. Every word Craig Calcaterra vomited over Braun was in his favor. “Ryan Braun should be pretty darn happy with 65 games.” Hell Calcaterra calls the scumbag a superstar! Without the aid of drugs what would his numbers have been? Why don’t you give him a corked bat too!
        Go on TV with Calcaterra and feed him the straight lines so the two of you can watch juiced players lie, steal and cheat. You can’t tell me that every time a player hits a home run, fans don’t wonder if they are swimming in PEDs. You want to watch a fixed sport go watch WWW!

  14. succulentnipples - Jul 22, 2013 at 7:35 PM

    That’s hot.

  15. padraighansen - Jul 22, 2013 at 7:53 PM

    I’ve repeatedly said that Braun should be considered innocent until proven guilty, or he admits to it, which, I believe, both happened. Either way – he’s guilty, and I agree with Craig, he really could have done worse. I believe that if MLB really wants to clean up the game, they need to put in a 2 year show-cause penalty in for the first offense. At the same time, anyone in MLB or MLBPA caught leaking information to media outlets also need to a two-year ban / non-compete from any MLB or MLB-associated organization in addition to their termination.

    Back to Braun: I defended his right to be considered innocent until proven guilty. Now we know – and I could care less if he plays again.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jul 22, 2013 at 7:57 PM

      I believe that if MLB really wants to clean up the game, they need to put in a 2 year show-cause penalty in for the first offense.

      You seem reasonable rather than some of these absurd comments, so I have to ask, why do you think 2 years would do anything? There’s been something like 25 MLB caught using PEDs since testing was implementing (think it’s 27, but two have been caught twice). 25 in 7 years. Does that seem like a problem?

      • padraighansen - Jul 22, 2013 at 8:12 PM

        I settled on two years, vs. 3-5, mainly because the next offense should be a lifetime ban. Two years, for guys that are under team control for 6 years – so this would make essentially 8 years of MLB baseball – that eats up most playing careers. Not all, but most. And I could be totally wrong on the impact a 2 year show-cause penalty would have – but I do believe the show-cause penalty would help dissuade those who prefer the shortcut.

        I’d love to also see agent penalties for suspended players as well – charge the agents back 3% of the suspended salary if the agent fee was taken upfront on the total value of the contract. But I believe that would be much harder to enforce across the board.

  16. DelawarePhilliesFan - Jul 22, 2013 at 7:53 PM

    I care about drug testing, Craig.

    http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/24/think-braun-is-still-dirty-fine-but-at-least-admit-you-dont-care-about-drug-testing-then/

    • historiophiliac - Jul 22, 2013 at 8:24 PM

      Have you been waiting a long time to play that card? Did it leave a fade mark on your back pocket? lol

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Jul 22, 2013 at 9:30 PM

        No – I played the card a few months back.

        http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/21/mike-schmidt-is-not-yet-convinced-that-barry-bonds-and-roger-clemens-took-steroids/comment-page-1/

        This was reminder to not accuse people of “thought crimes”….’cause, you know….they may turn out to be right

      • historiophiliac - Jul 22, 2013 at 9:39 PM

        I gloated today too. :)

  17. thepancakebandit - Jul 22, 2013 at 7:54 PM

    How is it that guys like Pete Rose get a lifetime ban, but assholes like Braun get a cakewalk 65 gamer?

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jul 22, 2013 at 7:58 PM

      Because one person’s actions was to try to make himself a better player, and another person’s actions broke the cardinal rule of baseball.

      • pjmarn6 - Jul 22, 2013 at 9:33 PM

        The cardinal rule of baseball is to play a clean game. Show me where Rose’s actions actually affected one game. He was stupid, but nobody has shown that he threw a game to earn money or did anything illegal to earn money.
        These idiots who doped themselves up to steal billions from gullible fans hurt the game a 1000 times more than Rose betting on games.

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Jul 22, 2013 at 9:40 PM

        yea – “cardinal rule” is a bit strong. I think baseball frowns on fixing games worse.

        Rose got the lifetime ban for doing something very bad, and then lying about it. And he would have been re-instated a long time ago had he not been his own worst enemy. But gambling is not the “cardinal sin” – half of MLB teams accept revenue from Casino’s including my own Phillies. Baseball is not staking some high moral ground with Rose. They are just pissed at him.

    • Old Gator - Jul 22, 2013 at 8:04 PM

      Because the rules give the commissioner the power to ban a player for betting on baseball. The rules give him the power to ban a player for 50, 100 and life for first, second and third offenses. Also, remember that Rose and Giamatti negotiated the final terms of his ban, saving Rose and the league the nightmare of a drawn-out ban and appeal, and possible legal actions. Rose’s continuing ban has as much to do with his grandstanding, dick-waving and the perception among Giamatti’s successors, especially Vincent, that the stresses of the Rose affair killed Giamatti instead of his three pack a day smoking habit.

      • pjmarn6 - Jul 23, 2013 at 11:36 AM

        What is the difference between betting on a game, you have no control over and deliberately doping yourself to have some control over the game you are playing in and can have a decisive effect on the outcome?
        If you don’t know, then you have a huge problem!
        The doped player can play thousands of games and not be caught. His “CONTRIBUTION” to the games have more influence on the outcome then betting on games that you don’t have activity in or cannot influence the outcome.
        Isn’t it embarrassing to you that you have to be explained all this? You can’t figure this out for yourself?
        No one yet has come forward and said that Pete Rose took drugs during his career and no one has come forward and said that as manager he bet on his own team and deliberately while manager manipulated the team he was managing to lose the game.
        You definitely have your priorities screwed up.

  18. sdelmonte - Jul 22, 2013 at 7:54 PM

    Still not happy that the union declared that the rules they negotiated didn’t apply here. It undermines the collective bargaining agreement to my mind.

    I suspect that this would not have happened under Fehr or Miller. But my old school left wing idea that you cannot give management an in is apparently not how it’s done now.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jul 22, 2013 at 8:05 PM

      Would it have been better for Braun to be suspended for 100 games? 150 games? Lifetime? It’s like a prosecuting attorney saying he has all the goods on you, but will offer you 10-15 years instead of 15-20. Which do you choose?

      • pjmarn6 - Jul 22, 2013 at 9:35 PM

        churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged must be a relative of that apologist Craig Calcaterra.

      • Old Gator - Jul 22, 2013 at 9:59 PM

        Well, considering how completely offbase and willfully misapplied your accusation of “apologist” is, you’re more than sorry enough to rank as an apologist yourself.

  19. sisisisisisisi - Jul 22, 2013 at 7:56 PM

    Since day 1 Craig and his sidekicks here laughed at MLB for this PED mess, like the MLB idiots have no case against these invincible cheaters.

    The rewards outweighed the risks for these scums, the chance of getting caught is very low because of MLB drug-testing policy.

    Marlon Byrd on his 50-game suspension for banned substance: “I think you have to be an idiot to test positive and I was one of those idiots.”

    See what I mean?

    • Old Gator - Jul 22, 2013 at 8:10 PM

      No, and I doubt that you even know what you mean yourself. Craig never “laughed” at MLB nor did he ever say that MLB had no case. He did, like the lawyer that he is, point out the technical limitations of what MLB could or could not do, could or could not get away with in court or in terms of the drug provisions of the CBA. He also – correctly – pointed out that though MLB’s subpoena demands might well get thrown out of court for various reasons, the financial ruin that had already befallen Bosch and his cronies would make it impossible to afford the legal expenses involved in getting those subpoenas thrown out. He was right about that too. Bosch and friends caved because of money issues.

      • pjmarn6 - Jul 23, 2013 at 2:15 PM

        Craig Calcaterra has always defended the cheaters. You haven’t watched his nbc programs with his stooge reading the prompts feeding him the questions that he had already prepared the answers.
        Calcaterra has always said that the records of the cheaters should be compared to the players who did not take drugs. He makes no bones about the fact that he refuses to acknowledge that the drugs helped the cheaters beat the records of individuals who played clean.
        He refused to admit that Aaron, Mantle, Maris, Williams would have had much better numbers and records had they been drugged to their eyeballs.
        Calcaterra only opens his mouth to change the foot he has in it.

    • thepancakebandit - Jul 22, 2013 at 8:11 PM

      Keep in mind Craig is a moron and an apologist to the first degree.

      …And will likely delete this comment when he sees it.

      • Old Gator - Jul 22, 2013 at 8:41 PM

        Had some leftover straw to play with, did you? Craig never deletes comments like yours. For one thing, he’s basically fair. For another, he doubtless and correctly discerns that you’re a moron and doesn’t want to get his fingers dirty deleting your idiotic post.

      • thepancakebandit - Jul 22, 2013 at 9:15 PM

        You sure told me. Don’t I feel ashamed now.

      • Old Gator - Jul 22, 2013 at 10:01 PM

        Your comment is still there. And it’s still idiotic. it will still be there tomorrow, and the day after, and the day after that. Perhaps in time it will get moldy and become difficult to read. Then it might seem less idiotic. But you probably won’t live that long.

      • thepancakebandit - Jul 22, 2013 at 11:25 PM

        Of course it’s still there. I didn’t remove it or anything. Craig must have gone to bed.

        I know, idiotic of me not to, right?

        Speaking of moldy, aren’t you pretty old yourself? Don’t you have something else to do than attempt to demean a 29 year old? You know, like check your AARP status and then go to bed at 9pm after multiple postings about “The Feesh”??

      • thepancakebandit - Jul 23, 2013 at 12:06 AM

        Oops I meant 8pm. Hey nothing to be ashamed of. I hear Old Country Buffet has the best early bird special in all the land!

        Hint: My Grandma loves the country fried steak. And her friends take the bread and salt and pepper packs.

        Sleep well old man. With nightmarish visions of The Feesh and the home run abomination dancing in your head.

      • Old Gator - Jul 23, 2013 at 7:01 AM

        7AM. Craig’s awake. Your comment is still there. It’s still idiotic. I may indeed grow older, as will we all, but you don’t much sound like you’re going to grow up in the process and your comment’s incipient idiocy will live forever.

      • bbk1000 - Jul 23, 2013 at 7:28 PM

        Old Gator, I really love the way you play Superman to Craig’s Lois Lane. It’s cute.

        HAHA, this forum means so much to you, you try so hard, and yet you fail.

        As a small child playing football, if you didn’t get to play quarterback did you take your ball and go home?

        Man, I wish you qualified for your high school debating team, all this anger, fueled by things I’d rather not imagine, would probably be out of your system.

        It’s sad really….

  20. askcabs - Jul 22, 2013 at 8:09 PM

    What a loser!

  21. vanmorrissey - Jul 22, 2013 at 8:24 PM

    Absolutely right Craig. Take the hit in a lower salary year while you can, while your team sucks but you’ll still get the rest unless your dumb enough to use again. Sad part is that Brewers opted to give him the money vs. keep Fielder so right now you don’t now what numbers are real or not, plus that huge investment in Braun takes money out of a medium income organizations pocket they could have used elsewhere. He deserves no pity.but I would hope sure as hell that the specimen collector would sue his ass off for slander, defamation, whatever he could get in a civil suit.

    • Old Gator - Jul 22, 2013 at 8:46 PM

      I doubt if he could win anything, but if he finds some smart lawyers willing to wait out a settlement he might get something. See above.

    • thepancakebandit - Jul 22, 2013 at 11:34 PM

      As a lifelong Brewers fan… I completely agree. Very well said.

      Braun is a cheat and a liar.

  22. colv - Jul 22, 2013 at 8:41 PM

    Braun laughing all the way to the bank. Already multimillionaire as a lier, cheat and will make 15 million plus next year. Going up to 20 mill in years to come. Losing over 3 million this year is chump change to him. We are the chumps that pay for these guys.

  23. ajsjr40 - Jul 22, 2013 at 9:04 PM

    He ought to be thrown out of the league. Why is his cheating any different than Pete Rose who gambled that his team would win. Spare me the contrition.

    • Old Gator - Jul 22, 2013 at 10:03 PM

      Because Pete Rose was banned under a completely different set of rules than Ryan Braun. It’s not contrition. It’s just the rules.

    • American of African Descent - Jul 22, 2013 at 10:25 PM

      Because gambling is different than drug use. You may not like that the two are different. But the line is clear and bright.

  24. thebigtebowski - Jul 22, 2013 at 10:27 PM

    He’s been juicing his whole career, just like Arod. Welcome to another 7 years of weak production Milwaukee. Terrible.

  25. banpeds - Jul 22, 2013 at 10:53 PM

    Braun and the other dozens of players will get what they deserve. Unfortuanatley for Bruan and others, thier problems are only beginning. Would not be surprised if he’s not on the field next year either or ever again. This thing is a lot bigger than just baseball…. you heard it hear first.

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