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The Phillies want a lot for Herschel Walker Cliff Lee

Jul 29, 2013, 2:00 PM EDT

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Jon Heyman reports that Ruben Amaro is telling other GMs that it will take their “three or four best prospects” to land Cliff Lee “plus you’d have to take all the money.”

That’s an insane price, of course. No one trades the top four of their prospect list for a guy owed between $50-75 million (depending on options) AND picks up the salary. By even suggesting it — assuming he is and Heyman’s source isn’t pulling his leg — he’s almost mocking the idea of trading Cliff Lee. Which, yes, points for style, but doesn’t seem to be consistent with a notion that he’d actually trade his ace.

Still: remember a couple of weeks ago when Amaro was quoted saying that he didn’t believe in those top-whatever prospect lists? If he truly doesn’t and if he truly is asking for the top-whatever from your prospect list, I feel like you could really dupe him in a Cliff Lee deal.

  1. El Bravo - Jul 29, 2013 at 2:04 PM

    The future is here and it is much more than murky. It’s downright shitttttayyyyyyyyyyy! Amirite Phils Phans?

    • biasedhomer - Jul 29, 2013 at 2:24 PM

      Depends on what they do in the offseason. They have about $40 million coming off the books, if they spend it wisely, they could very well be in contention next year.

      • 18thstreet - Jul 29, 2013 at 2:32 PM

        I doubt that. The free agent pool is lousy nowadays. Cano is the only superstar, and the Dodgers and Yankees are likely to drive up his price.

        You’d have to get lucky to have a good year with free agents. No one knows what the future holds for Ellsbury or Garza, for example. If you get lucky, you’ve signed a nice player (but he’ll still be expensive). If you get unlucky — not stupid, mind you — you’ve signed another albatross.

        The only way to rebuild is from within, via a strong farm system. Stockpile prospects and hope that a couple of them pan out. Because if you don’t have a 4th or 5th starter already, he’s going to really expensive as a free agent.

      • biasedhomer - Jul 29, 2013 at 2:36 PM

        Well, spending $100M+ on Cano or Ellsbury would not be the wise choice.

        I’m talking about getting guys who can produce and at minimum be starter worthy. Not going out and paying for past performances, such as Pujols, Hamilton, Howard, etc.

      • nbjays - Jul 29, 2013 at 2:39 PM

        “They have about $40 million coming off the books, if they spend it wisely, they could very well be in contention next year.”

        And the odds of it being spent wisely are…….?

      • scotttheskeptic - Jul 29, 2013 at 2:40 PM

        Commencing with November 2009, what has demonstrated to you Amaro will have a good off-season? This team has a lot of holes, more than $40M can fill, and the farm does not hold many of the answers.

        Step 1: Montgomery fires Amaro.
        Step 2: Charlie retires.
        Step 3: Fans eagerly look forward to 2016.

      • 18thstreet - Jul 29, 2013 at 2:43 PM

        Yes, it would be nice to find cheap, productive players. Very astute observation, my friend.

    • philsphilsphils - Jul 29, 2013 at 3:20 PM

      BJ Upton: 204:13.45M, 2015:$14.45M, 2016:$15.45M, 2017:$16.45M
      Justin Upton: 2014:$14.25M, 2015:$14.5M
      Dan Uggla 2014:$13M, 2015:$13M

      Good times ahead for the Bravos.

      • El Bravo - Jul 29, 2013 at 4:04 PM

        Oh yeah??? oh yeahhhhhh??????? Ryan. Howard.

      • xmatt0926x - Jul 29, 2013 at 4:06 PM

        I can agree with that. Throw Jason Heyward, who was hyped almost as much as Bryce Harper in there too. Throw in a much smaller operating budget until like the year 2075. Wonderful finishes the last couple seasons as well.

        The Phillies future may be murky as some Braves fans like to keep repeating, but the water for the Braves is getting kind of cloudy too. They are a jack-ass crazy 2 weeks by Justin Upton and Gattis from being right down in the dumps of mediocrity with the Nats and Phillies.

        Yes, all the games count but I don’t think the Cardinals, Pirates, Reds, Dodgers, etc have any fears in facing the Braves this offseason. Let’s just hope the players are as good at dodging bottles this year as they were last year.

  2. aosplayo - Jul 29, 2013 at 2:07 PM

    I go high, you go low, meet in the middle. Amaro is not in a position of power. This team is not good, and seems to have quit. Gut the roster as much as you can and save money while stock piling prospects in your weak farm system. This isn’t rocket science, but I fear Amaro is listening to his heart more than his brain. Phillies are the last team in the city to do a rebuild, which is why their future looks the worst.

    • prionogenic - Jul 29, 2013 at 2:16 PM

      Here’s the thing. If you trade Lee, you might get prospects that pan out, or more likely, the prospects you get back won’t amount to much. Anyone traded for Lee so far even become an average major leaguer?

      What you lose is fan attendance. Cliff Lee sells jerseys and tickets. You might get a good deal on unknowns, but unless they turn out to be Yasiel Puig or Mike Trout, they don’t put butts in seats. If the Phillies want to be like the Yankees with big payrolls, they need to sell tickets and ink that big TV contract in a couple years. You can’t do that with talent in AA, you do that by running out All-Stars

      • DJ MC - Jul 29, 2013 at 2:33 PM

        The Phillies didn’t draw their big attendance numbers the past few years because of Lee and Halladay and Howard and Utley. They drew those numbers because they won. Their attendance is down this year because they didn’t win last season and aren’t winning this season.

        Their goal should be to put themselves in a position to win games long-term, which is pretty much the exact opposite of what they have done over Amaro’s reign. That’s what will sell jerseys and put butts in seats.

  3. number42is1 - Jul 29, 2013 at 2:08 PM

    I am too lazy to look it up but wasn’t that what was given up the first 2 times that Cliff Lee was traded?

    • Caught Looking - Jul 29, 2013 at 2:15 PM

      June 2002: Expos traded Lee and Brandon Phillips, Lee Stevens and Grady Sizemore to the Indians for Bartolo Colón and Tim Drew – ouch!

      July 2009: The Indians traded Lee and Ben Francisco to the Phillies for Carlos Carrasco, Jason Donald, Lou Marson and Jason Knapp.

      December 2009: The Phillies traded Lee to Mariners for J. C. Ramírez, Phillippe Aumont and Tyson Gillies,

      July 2010: Seattle traded Lee and Mark Lowe to the Rangers for Justin Smoak, Blake Beavan, Josh Lueke and Matt Lawson.

      • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Jul 29, 2013 at 2:27 PM

        The moral is, don’t trade Cliff Lee. It never works out.

      • rjostewart - Jul 29, 2013 at 5:32 PM

        Yeah, how many guys besides Lee have been traded this many times and been the best player involved every time? Schilling is the only other one I can think of.

    • felser - Jul 29, 2013 at 2:15 PM

      No, they weren’t the top prospects in either case.

  4. newyorkshets - Jul 29, 2013 at 2:12 PM

    Get off the pipe amaro

  5. kingjoe1 - Jul 29, 2013 at 2:14 PM

    I hope RAJ doesn’t over price Lee and go into next year with the same story line all summer. It is time to get what you can for all teh vets over 32 on this team hope the future gets bright quickly.

  6. northstarsmitty - Jul 29, 2013 at 2:14 PM

    Amaro is a chump. Seriously, he is clueless. He will NEVER get that return for Lee. He is still a great pitcher, has suffered from a lack of run support in the previous few seasons, but age does not go backwards. He is a sure thing to trade for, but that contract sucks. Nobody wants to inherit that contract, nor does anyone want a rental contigent on dumping on someone else next season. He needs to take what he can get if he truly does not want to handcuff his payroll for years to come. Plus, the Phillies have arguably the 2nd worst farm system in baseball. Any kind of life he can infuse to the minors would be worth pursuing

  7. hittfamily - Jul 29, 2013 at 2:14 PM

    Knock Amaro all you want. If I were him, I’d guffaw at other people’s lists too. Have they ever been right about a single Amaro prospect? “Delawarephilliesfan” posted a great list of every player Amaro has ever traded. He acquired all stars Cliff Lee, Roy Halladay and Roy Oswalt to name a few. Please point out the prospects he was wrong about. Maybe Amaro can judge his prospects better than people who make fun of him for not being able to judge his prospects.

    Mike Zagurski
    Jason Knapp
    Carlos Carrasco
    Jason Donald
    Lou Marson
    Jonathan Villar
    Anthony Gose
    J.A. Happ
    Jarred Cosart
    Jonathan Singleton
    Josh Zeid
    Sergio Escalona
    Domingo Santana
    Trevor May
    Vance Worley
    Rich Thompson
    Lisalverto Bonilla
    Greg Golson
    Travis d’Arnaud
    Kyle Drabek
    Michael Taylor
    Michael Schwimmer

    Man. Imagine how good the Phillies would be if they still had some of these guys.

    • phillyupperdecker - Jul 29, 2013 at 2:19 PM

      I would want Jonathan Villar, Anthony Gose, Jonathan Singleton, Josh Zeid, Domingo Santana, Travis D’Arnaud, and Domingo Santana back.

      • hittfamily - Jul 29, 2013 at 2:26 PM

        Gose sucks. D’Arnaud is always hurt. You could offer every team in the league that entire list for their #1, and they’d all hang up the phone and block your number. Amaro got 3 #1 pitchers out of it.

      • stealing3rd - Jul 29, 2013 at 2:36 PM

        Amaro got 3 #1 pitchers out of it? No, he got Cliff Lee and 2 guys who used to be No. 1’s. Big difference….

      • hittfamily - Jul 29, 2013 at 2:40 PM

        Roy Halladay was never an ace while a Phillie? His 2 no hitters says otherwise.

      • proudlycanadian - Jul 29, 2013 at 2:41 PM

        Cosart looked very good for The Astros yesterday. As far as some of the other players, it is much too soon to give up on them.

      • hittfamily - Jul 29, 2013 at 2:51 PM

        I’m not giving up on them, but would they help the Phillies win today? An overwhelming no. If you have a chance to acquire Roy Halladay at his peak, Cliff Lee at his peak, and a year and a half of 7 WAR Roy Oswalt for players who have yet to do anything for anybody, you do it. Even though Halladay is hurt and his career appears likely over, he still posted 14 WAR in 2 years. Oswalt 7, and Lee at 20.

        What is the likelyhood that these prospects combine for 41 WAR?

      • Francisco (FC) - Jul 29, 2013 at 4:31 PM

        Roy Halladay was never an ace while a Phillie? His 2 no hitters says otherwise.

        There are MANY stats to indicate Doc’s greatness while with the Phillies, the no hitters are just icing on the cake but a no hitter by itself does not an ace make. Phillip Humber? Galarraga? (Even if that one didn’t officially count).

      • hittfamily - Jul 29, 2013 at 6:43 PM

        I also pointed out his 14 WAR over 2 season’s. Do I have to fucking repeat myself. I don’t want to have to write a book.

    • aosplayo - Jul 29, 2013 at 2:19 PM

      So what you’re saying is Amaro can’t draft for crap? Got it, so are we, which is why he needs to unload expensive players on a team going nowhere for other people’s prospects whose GMs actually can spot talent.

      • nategearhart - Jul 29, 2013 at 2:23 PM


      • hittfamily - Jul 29, 2013 at 2:32 PM

        Andrew Friedman can’t draft for shit either. That is not the only way to acquire talent. 2 Rays draft picks have played in the MLB since 2007. David Price and Derek Dietrich. Dietrich sucks for the Marlins, and is back in AAA. 6 years – 2 players. Are you saying Friedman can’t spot talent?

        Drafts are crapshoots for teams always at the bottom. To judge a GM on how his draft picks pan out is foolish. Judge him on how he maximizes value. I’d say the value of those scrubs that were listed were more than maximized.

      • Kevin S. - Jul 29, 2013 at 5:40 PM

        That’s fairly misleading. One, Matt Moore was drafted the same year as David Price, not sure why he doesn’t count. Two, it’s funny how you start with Friedman’s second year as GM – is that because the Longoria/Cobb/Jennings draft works against your thesis? Three, the Rays have shown a strong tendency to go young with their early picks – of the 34 picks in the top five rounds between ’08-’12, only eight were born in the 80s. It’s way too soon to judge those draft classes when the majority of the early picks are twenty-three and younger. You can criticize that drafting philosophy, and you can go after decisions like Beckham over the ream of players in the top twenty who have already contributed or not being able to sign their top two picks in ’09, but your standard for “proving” Friedman can’t draft is a little lacking.

      • hittfamily - Jul 29, 2013 at 6:22 PM

        It’s not a little lacking. It’s a fact. I chose 2007 because every draft since then didn’t include a top 4 pick and those subsequent draft picks have produced jack squat. It shows that in Friedman’s recent tenure, the Rays haven’t drafted well. It shows what I wanted it to show.

      • Kevin S. - Jul 29, 2013 at 7:28 PM

        “It shows what I want it to show” – no, it really doesn’t, for the reasons I’ve pointed out. Most of those players are far too young to be considered busts, and if your point was “exclude top four picks,” then you still can’t explain away Cobb, Jennings or Moore.

    • paperlions - Jul 29, 2013 at 4:30 PM

      How many of those guys are even 25 yrs old?

      Way to early to determine how those deals worked out for the other side.

      • hittfamily - Jul 29, 2013 at 6:47 PM

        No, it’s not way too early. There is 1 top 100 prospect in the bunch (who was traded for 8 WAR Halladay), and the one’s who have graduated to the MLB suck. Most of these players were traded 4 years ago.

  8. felser - Jul 29, 2013 at 2:21 PM

    Time will tell on Villar, Cosart, Singleton, D’Arnaud, Santana, and May, but you’re right, none of the names has really done anything much above replacement level in the majors so far. Two good starts by Cosart is too small a sample to draw conclusions on him. That being said, I’d like to have D’Arnaud on my team and maybe a few of the others, but the overwhelming majority are certifiable busts.

    • biasedhomer - Jul 29, 2013 at 2:27 PM

      But that just shows you how poor the Philies are drafting.

      • Francisco (FC) - Jul 29, 2013 at 2:32 PM

        Since Amaro knows that I have to wonder if he gave up all those prospects knowing they wouldn’t amount to much. Notice he was adamant about keeping Brown.

      • hittfamily - Jul 29, 2013 at 2:36 PM

        “But that just shows you how poor the Philies are drafting.”

        What a BS statement. He got something of value for something that had no value.

      • biasedhomer - Jul 29, 2013 at 2:39 PM

        At the same time, he seems to have very little knowledge about other teams prospects. See when he traded Cliff Lee to the M’s. Or Pence for Tommy Joseph (who last I checked got demoted a couple of ranks).

        We are talking about Ruben Amaro Jr. here, the guy who has yet to sit in on a minor league affiliate’s game this season.

      • hittfamily - Jul 29, 2013 at 3:02 PM

        He’s running a billion dollar organization, not taking the kids to the ballpark. $100 bucks says Steve Jobs never went to that Apple plant in China where so many people commit suicide by jumping out of windows, they had to put up catch nets.

        Hire scouts and affiliate mangers you trust, and then trust their judgement. Billy Beane has never threw BP to Cespedes. John Daniels never put on a mask and caught Yu Darvish. Hell, Joe Maddon famously said he had never even met Matt Moore before starting him against the Yankees in September 2011.

        It’s just another narrative.

  9. imnotyourbuddyguy - Jul 29, 2013 at 2:26 PM

    MLB teams should drug test it’s executives if they aren’t already.

  10. losangelesfan - Jul 29, 2013 at 2:28 PM

    Mr. Amaro? There’s a Mr. Coletti on line one.

  11. kyzslew77 - Jul 29, 2013 at 2:34 PM

    CRAG Y U HATE DA PHILS? You are so unfair towards them. First you mock Howard’s contract when HELLO HE GETS PAID TO DRIVE IN RUNS, NOT DRIVE IN WARS OR DRIVE IN ON BASE PERCENTAGES and he certainly has been driving in runs, as recently as 2011. Then you mock them for saying during the ASB that they were going to by buyers rather than sellers at the deadline, even though they were only 6.5 games back with a roster that could reasonably expect to win as many as 81 games this year. Now this is the last straw–you think RAJ doesn’t know what he’s doing when it comes to Cliff Lee? FLAGS FLY FOREVER CRAG. Don’t you forget.

    • imnotyourbuddyguy - Jul 29, 2013 at 2:48 PM

      I’m thumbing this up because I gotta believe it’s all schtick

      • kyzslew77 - Jul 29, 2013 at 3:19 PM

        I thought “he’s been driving in runs as recently as 2011” would be a dead giveaway.

      • unclemosesgreen - Jul 29, 2013 at 9:34 PM

        No, you’re thumbing this up because you’re a fucking idiot and a cracker. Go fuck yourself and don’t forget to kiss your mommy g’night on the way past her bedroom to your bed.

      • imnotyourbuddyguy - Jul 29, 2013 at 11:21 PM

        I’m not your Cracker friend

  12. 18thstreet - Jul 29, 2013 at 2:36 PM

    The 1999 Red Sox went to the playoffs with Pedro, Nomar, and some spare parts — some of whom had a career year. I not a Phillies fan, but I don’t think the Phillies should trade Lee. I think they should keep him and hope they get lucky with the spare parts.

    • xmatt0926x - Jul 29, 2013 at 3:19 PM

      I think that is the actual plan. It likely won’t result in truly serious contention, but that’s not always the plan either. I think there are many teams that understand there is no way that their team can be an elite contender in any given year and they would be just fine with fielding a “pretty competitive” team that will keep the fans interest and with some great breaks, who knows?

      Unless some serious changes come from out of nowhere, I think that’s all the Phillies can hope for next season no matter what they do. If you think you can find a couple bullpen upgrades and throw Lee, Hamels, Cuban defector Miguel Alfredo, and a solid #4 in Kendrick out there every night then maybe they can be a “pretty competitive team”.

  13. DelawarePhilliesFan - Jul 29, 2013 at 2:42 PM

    It is a Mystery to me…what Team would ever give up 4 prospects

  14. stlouis1baseball - Jul 29, 2013 at 2:44 PM

    I saw a similar report last night (on MLB Network I believe).
    All this tells me (if true) is Ruben Amaro isn’t serious about trading Cliff Lee.

    • hittfamily - Jul 29, 2013 at 3:19 PM

      If the Cubs get a top 50 prospect for 10 Garza starts, I think it is a fair starting point for 110 Cliff Lee starts.

      • stlouis1baseball - Jul 29, 2013 at 3:25 PM

        Great point Family. Hahaha! Really great point.
        But let’s forget Garza for a moment.
        Ruben seems to want have his cake and eat it too.

      • paperlions - Jul 29, 2013 at 4:34 PM

        Most teams would prefer to get only 10 Cliff Lee starts, rather than the extra 2 year for $62.5M or 3 years for $77.5M. Teams would already be committed to paying Lee more than he’s likely to be worth…why should teams pay twice?

      • hittfamily - Jul 29, 2013 at 6:52 PM

        If Cliff Lee were a free agent right now, and went to most teams and said he would sign for 2/50 mil, most teams would. That means he has value. The Royals have 13 mil in Santana coming off the books next year, 7 million in Frenchy, 4.5 million for Bruce chen, and 4.5 million for Luke Hochevar. I think even the lowly Royals would sign Cliff Lee if he offered to do that.

      • Kevin S. - Jul 29, 2013 at 7:32 PM

        Yes, it does mean he has value – the value of a first-round pick ten months from now. That’s a far cry from what Rubes is asking, which would require Lee to have significant surplus value over what he’s being paid. He doesn’t – he’s properly compensated, not undercompensated.

      • hittfamily - Jul 29, 2013 at 7:57 PM

        This is deadline deals though. 2 months of Carlos Beltran for Zack Wheeler. 2 months of Zack Greinke for Jean Segura. Teams are desperate. If Amaro tries to make a “fair” deal, he is doing a disservice to the franchise. If Shields can net 3 of the O’s top 5 prospects, when the Royals aren’t even desperate, what would a desperate team pay for Cliff Lee? Amaro wants to find out.

      • Kevin S. - Jul 29, 2013 at 8:31 PM

        You’re again ignoring contract size. James Shields did command a king’s ransom from the Royals (Thank you, thank you! I’ll… show myself out now), but he was signed to a one-year $10.25 million deal with a $12 million team option for the second year, plus a small buyout and some escalators. Cliff Lee is owed either $62.5 million for the next two years or $77.5 million for the next three. Even if we say James Shields is 75% the pitcher Cliff Lee is, he’s owed less than 40% of the money. *That* is why Tampa got such an impressive haul for him. Sure, RAJ should try to get the best deal he possibly can, rather than limiting himself to a fair deal, but he also needs to be realistic with himself regarding what he can reasonably get.

  15. imnotyourbuddyguy - Jul 29, 2013 at 2:50 PM

    Would RAJ take the Angels top 3 or 4 prospects? Because that wouldn’t be giving up much at all.

  16. xmatt0926x - Jul 29, 2013 at 2:51 PM

    I’m all for Amaro bashing even though I’m a Phillies fan, but I think most fans understand that Ruben is really just mocking the whole situation in this instance. It’s just the old case of “I’m not trading this guy but if you’re dumb enough to give me half your farm and pay his salary, sure, we can talk”.

    To the point of “well what have these prospects ever done in the majors?” stuff, I still don’t get that logic. If you have 3 top 100 prospects on any given day and they are seen as top quality with the rest of the league’s scouts, then on that day they hold a certain high value and can be worth a lot in a trade at that time period.

    If you take those good chips and give them all up for a much lesser value then it’s just bad business. If 3 years later, like most prospects, they end up not living up to their potential, I don’t understand why that all of a sudden makes it a good trade. Yeah, I can see why it’s easier to digest the trade when you know those prospects won’t come back to haunt you, but at that point in time it was still giving up too much value in exchange for too little.

    The Pence deal was a steal for the Astros. Those were all highly valued prospects and Pence was a rental for barely more than a half season. It will be easier to swallow if those prospects don’t come back to haunt the Phillies, but it still doesn’t change the fact that the team didn’t get the right value for those prospects at that time. It was a bad trade, end of story.

  17. 13arod - Jul 29, 2013 at 3:12 PM

    Anybody know why he hasnt been fired yet

    • xmatt0926x - Jul 29, 2013 at 3:25 PM

      It’s a hard thing to put in words, but anyone following the Phillies for 30 years or so has seen a certain way of doing things from the Phillies ownership group. I don’t know if it’s a “he’s part of the family” kind of thing where in-house people get more time to fail then others. All I can tell you is that I’ve been a fan since the early 80’s and I’m not shocked at all that a guy like Ruben Amaro will be given much more time than an outsider would. Again, I just can’t put it in words why I feel that way.

      As soon as Ed Wade was let go from the Astros, he was brought right back into the fold. It didn’t shock me one bit.

      • Bob Loblaw - Jul 29, 2013 at 4:26 PM

        The biggest mistake this organization made was when they chose Ruben Amaro jr to replace Gillick instead of Mike Arbuckle. It’s not a second guess when myself and others, like in the below referenced article, were saying it at the time. A lot of people mistakenly give all the credit for drafting to Ed Wade when they try to point out something he did right, but the fact is that Mike Arbuckle was the man behind those great draft choices that provided the core for the 2008 World Series Champions…

        “One of the main cogs behind this championship season, Arbuckle is responsible for drafting Howard, Hamels and Burrell along with Jimmy Rollins, Chase Utley, Ryan Madson, and Brett Myers”

        All Ruben has done is make bad trades, sign horrible free agents, and tear down a team when they had a chance to be so much more. And he did it all riding the coattails of Pat Gillick. Why they decided to hand over the reins to a 46 year old Amaro instead of giving them to a guy who was in baseball since 1979. It was a ludicrous decision then and it looks even more ludicrous now.

    • hittfamily - Jul 29, 2013 at 3:34 PM

      2 World series appearances and an NLCS loss in the last 5 years. You’d have to fire every other GM first if you are looking for more success.

      • xmatt0926x - Jul 29, 2013 at 3:41 PM

        I agree that it’s silly when the usual suspects take such joy in the Phillies problems when many of them would gladly take the Phillies run for their own teams, but Amaro shouldn’t be given too much credit for the Phillies run of success.

        Give him credit for the Lee trade to help make the run to the 2009 World Series, but he certainly didn’t build the core or grab Jayson Werth and Vicotrino from the trash heap. That would be Ed Wade and Pat Gillick.

      • stealing3rd - Jul 29, 2013 at 3:43 PM

        The other GM’s weren’t given the keys to a World Series Champion team, a highly rated farm system, and a massive payroll…..

      • hittfamily - Jul 29, 2013 at 3:49 PM

        It sounds like you are describing Brian Cashman, Jon Daniels and Theo Epstein too. Dan Duquette now for that matter too.

  18. takemytalentstosoutheuclid - Jul 29, 2013 at 5:45 PM

    The Indians will gladly trade you back your trash, Amaro. Carrasco, Donald, Marson, and Knapp, none of whom is contributing at all to the Tribe 4 years after we traded you a reigning Cy Young winner. In fact, we’ll even throw in some of the crap we got the year before that for Sabathia.


    Bitter Indians fans everywhere

    • hittfamily - Jul 29, 2013 at 6:57 PM

      Exactly. The guy has won every trade he’s ever made, and people bash him for trading away prospects, who 4 years later, either flamed out or are still prospects.

  19. tonyz6060chevy - Jul 30, 2013 at 3:48 AM

    boy the Phillies got old quick !

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