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Comment of the Day: A-Rod would be better off as a drug dealer at this point

Jul 30, 2013, 9:14 AM EDT

Great point from this morning’s A-Rod thread. Perhaps this will give some folks a sense of proportion here. Though I’m not holding my breath.











You can go read the JDA here. This part starts on page 24.

  1. southofheaven81 - Jul 30, 2013 at 9:18 AM

    If he would just learn to praise Jesus more, & maybe do a silly dance when the Yankees win, he could rat his way out of a murder charge & still be a beloved sports figure!

  2. gothapotamus90210 - Jul 30, 2013 at 9:18 AM

    Seems like a no-brainer. He should cop to that.

  3. churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jul 30, 2013 at 9:20 AM

    Craig, do you think, at any point, Arod may go outside baseball and challenge these decisions in a court of law? Moshe and JoePawlikowski were talking about it on twitter last night. Is filing an injunction even a possibility?

    • Craig Calcaterra - Jul 30, 2013 at 10:35 AM

      I think he could file an injunction if baseball did try to scrap his appeal rights like the Daily News is reporting. I think it would be a limited thing, though, and the larger case would still be subject to arbitration.

      It’s really, really hard to get disputes you agreed to arbitrate out of arbitration and into court. Courts are very, very leery of doing that.

      • jfk69 - Jul 30, 2013 at 3:36 PM

        Rose tried that and the court kicked it right back to MLB
        Rose continued to deny all of the accusations against him and refused to appear at a hearing with Giamatti on the matter. He filed a lawsuit in Hamilton County Common Pleas Court alleging that the Commissioner had prejudged the case and could not provide a fair hearing. A Cincinnati judge issued a temporary restraining order to delay the hearing, but Giamatti fought to have the case moved to Federal Court. The Commissioner prevailed in that effort, after which he and Rose entered settlement negotiations.

  4. natslady - Jul 30, 2013 at 9:28 AM

    Good one, Craig–and jwbiii! Wonder if they can do like they do in criminal court and make each player who was supplied into a separate “count” or offense (IF any! Not presuming Rodriguez’ guilt, here, no, not presuming guilt).

  5. chadjones27 - Jul 30, 2013 at 9:29 AM

    Maybe this is why MLB is going so hard core after him. If they have evidence that he went to Biogenesis and used PED’s, then tried to strong arm someone for the evidence to destroy it, then impeded MLB’s investigation into all this, maybe they also have evidence that he distributed to other players.
    We really won’t know until the suspension is announced and whatever appeals process (if any) completes.

  6. tbk201 - Jul 30, 2013 at 9:32 AM

    Or beating the crap out of his wife and/or girlfriend. K-Rod is still playing.

    • themohel - Jul 30, 2013 at 9:43 AM

      Which of course affects the game to a much larger degree than the use of PEDS…. This is baseball addressing whether someone has damaged the game, not whether he should be in jail. Would you feel better if K-Rod (and other wife beaters) were banned from the game?

      • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Jul 30, 2013 at 11:56 AM

        What about Dusty Baker then? He damages the game all the time…

      • themohel - Jul 30, 2013 at 1:06 PM

        He often does, indeed! And he’s been banned by several teams!

    • cur68 - Jul 30, 2013 at 9:47 AM

      That’s girlfriends/>. K-Rod’s a SERIAL abuser of girlfriends. The next time one of the “ARod is a monster” crowd demands that K-Rod be run out of baseball without due process will be the first time.

      • themohel - Jul 30, 2013 at 9:56 AM

        So put K-Rod in jail. Baseball is measuring the damage to the game (argue all you want about whether PEDs have really done damage), not who is a worse person from a societal point-of-view. Tough concept, I know….

      • cur68 - Jul 30, 2013 at 10:03 AM

        Know what’s a tough concept? Reading. Try reading what I wrote agian. I’m not talking about “Baseball” as in “MLB”. I’m refering to “the ARod is a monster” crowd (which is what I wrote, in case you didn’t notice). You know them? The ones calling for the Yankees to commit fraud and collect insurance money? The one’s with the “Think of the children” refrain?
        Sheesh. Reading. A tough concept, I know…

      • themohel - Jul 30, 2013 at 10:09 AM

        The people who believe A-Rod is a monster are doing so in the context of him as an athlete (baseball player). I suspect that almost all of them realize that – from a societal point-of-view – beating one’s wife is worse than cheating a game. Really not a hard concept.

      • cur68 - Jul 30, 2013 at 10:19 AM

        Holy Straw Man. Are you dense or just deliberately obtuse? Who gives a shit what YOU presume they “know”? The point is they’ve gone after Alexander Emmanuel Rodriguez hammer and tongs and largely given Francisco José Rodríguez Sr. a pass.

        Look, spend all day parsing every word to suit yourself if you want. The point is all that press fuelled outrage over ARod abusing himself and the JDA is completely out of proportion to the LACK of press the SAME media members spent on K-Rod.

        This is not hard to grasp. You too can do it. Keep trying. Now I’m done with this, so feel free to have the last word. Jeez.

      • themohel - Jul 30, 2013 at 11:03 AM

        I think someone needs a nap. Obtuse or dense, hmmm, tough choice. What about myopic; no we just saw that from you…

        Anyway, I will summarize again. K-Rod beats women (and old men); A-Rod cheats at baseball. Society cares more about the former; baseball (and people writing on a baseball-themed website) cares more about the latter. I know you don’t agree and it really seems to have made you cranky, but that’s the way it goes. What’s next, OJ got away with murder so the NFL can’t suspend a PED user? C’mon, cur, put down the inhalants.

  7. paulhargis53 - Jul 30, 2013 at 9:33 AM

    You’re continued defense of the PED cheats was tiresome a long time ago.

    Comparing spotters and corked bats to drugs?

    Baseball jumped the shark about 15 years ago, and its because of apologists like you Craig.

    • unclemosesgreen - Jul 30, 2013 at 9:44 AM

      That’s also when the phrase ‘jumping the shark’ went out. If that’s when you stopped enjoying baseball then what the fuck are you doing here dumbass?

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Jul 30, 2013 at 9:55 AM

        No way, man! 90’s cool will always rule!

        And watch the potty mouth – profanity jumped the shark in 2009

      • unclemosesgreen - Jul 30, 2013 at 9:56 AM

        I could give a fuck less – profanity is my God-given right as an Irishman.

      • kcq101 - Jul 30, 2013 at 10:16 AM

        I think you were aiming for “I couldn’t give…”

      • unclemosesgreen - Jul 30, 2013 at 10:21 AM

        Ah but you’re mistaken – I couldn’t give a fuck more. But I might be able to give a tiny slight fuck less.

      • imnotyourbuddyguy - Jul 30, 2013 at 10:32 AM

        Craig showing everyone again that he plays favorites and allows UnclemosesGreen his racist rants against whites, calling others Crackers. Cursing and swearing up and down the comment section, without banning. But call someone a N*gger and watch Craig pull out the ban hammer.

        Right Craig?
        You were made aware of the comments yesterday and did nothing. And here we are again today.

      • unclemosesgreen - Jul 30, 2013 at 10:34 AM

        Thought so.

      • imnotyourbuddyguy - Jul 30, 2013 at 10:42 AM

        Hmmm Let me take choice of the word. Since Craig sees and allows people to call me CRACKER. On these forums, I guess all forms of racist rants are allowed.

        Why don’t you shut the fuck up you low class N1gger loving piece of filth.

        Happy Craig?

      • jwbiii - Jul 30, 2013 at 11:56 AM

        Do you mean to demean these fine men?

      • unclemosesgreen - Jul 30, 2013 at 12:20 PM

        No sir, neither they nor their affiliated team – the Black Crackers.

        Really must credit historio for that precious bit of knowledge.

  8. andreweac - Jul 30, 2013 at 9:36 AM

    Arod is the anti-Tebow.

    • Old Gator - Jul 30, 2013 at 9:55 AM

      I thought Rex Ryan was the anti-Tebow.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jul 30, 2013 at 9:57 AM

      Why, because Arod is actually good at his sport?

    • pixteca - Jul 30, 2013 at 10:04 AM

      Oh, in a few years you will know the truth about Tim Tebow muahahaha

      • asimonetti88 - Jul 30, 2013 at 11:12 AM


  9. DelawarePhilliesFan - Jul 30, 2013 at 9:38 AM

    Straw argument.

    But following that logic – what would be a stiffer penalty from MLB, a 4th DUI or betting on baseball? Which would Pete Rose have been better doing?

    • themohel - Jul 30, 2013 at 9:47 AM

      Yes, people often confuse the societal function of penalizing bad behavior (the DUI) that threatens society as a whole with the intra-baseball discipline that is focused solely on sins against the game itself (betting on baseball, PEDS). Apple, meet Orange….

      • natslady - Jul 30, 2013 at 9:56 AM

        Agree. Unless there is something particular about baseball and its culture (over and above the general pro athlete culture), you have to let the legal process take its course.

        Now, you do wonder, and I think you are allowed to wonder. I heard the other day of a college football coach who is on about his third team, and every team he’s coached has higher-than-average DUIs, barfights and the like–despite claims of policies, procedures, lectures, handouts given to players, etc.

        Just like anything else, I’m sure teams take different approaches, some more effective than others. You have to figure that Davey Johnson learned from his past experience managing that simply treating athletes as “grown men” away from the field is maybe not best, you might want to be more proactive.

      • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Jul 30, 2013 at 12:01 PM

        But the original post quotes the JDA, about players dealing PEDs. This is about baseball policing the game.

      • themohel - Jul 30, 2013 at 1:05 PM

        I was responding to the use of K-Rod as an example of the unfairness of the treatment of A-Rod. My own opinion is that baseball is more concerned with the use of PEDs than it is about domestic abusers. This is because PEDs (from their point of view) are more harmful to the game itself than individual arrests (not including murder, rape, etc.). This is true in football as well – many players that are arrested for assault, battery or DUI are not suspended by the league (or perhaps get a game or two), but one positive result for PEDs costs a player 25% of a season.

      • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Jul 30, 2013 at 1:18 PM

        Perhaps that is true, but it is tough to see this anything other than a witch-hunt for Alex Rodriguez. There are plenty of guys who failed tests, caught red-handed using PEDs, and MLB attempted no extra-ordinary action against them. MLB just finished negotiating a new CBA.JDA with the player’s union and agreed on set penalties for PED use. Now MLB wants to step outside those parameters for one particular offender, who happens to be the highest paid player in the game and someone who is nearly universally disliked (irrationally more than KRod there as well). The only other player to receive anything close to similar treatment was Braun, who infamously defeated MLB on appeal of his drug suspension.

        I think it is valid to question why MLB is going so far outside the bounds to chase these two stars for possible drug violations when there are much greater offenses happening without repercussion. If it is just because they have embarrassed Bud Selig, I think he and the league need to assess their priorities. Remember MLB allowed and even encouraged the PED show in the first place because fans were so disenfranchised by the ’95 strike that it took the McGwire/Sosa HR race to rekindle interest. I think it is in the best interest of Bud, MLB and everyone to prioritize labor peace above an ARod witch hunt

        To your point, the image of the NFL has been harmed by players’ criminal activities, as many people think of the sport as full of immature millionaires playing gangster in their free time. It has not hurt the bottom line, so it persists without consequence from the league. After all, the bottom line is what all of this is ultimately about.

      • themohel - Jul 30, 2013 at 1:50 PM

        Sabathia – you raise some very good points, and state them well. Just a couple points to add, not necessarily to counter anything you said. 1. I think the league’s ability to violate the CBA and JDA are limited, and the union (which is really the other players) will need to be complicit in these violations and is at risk of legal action by the players if they don’t fulfill their obligations to represent the players. 2. The image of the NFL has taken a hit because of the action of players. But most leagues (NHL excluded) have the image of self-entitled millionaires, and MLB believes that PEDs is a bigger threat to its bottom line than K-Rod criminal activities. 3. I would be very happy to have MLB take more action for off-the-field actions against scum like K-Rod. All that is necessary if for the owners to want to and for the players (through their union) to agree.

        Again – nice post.

    • brazcubas - Jul 30, 2013 at 9:54 AM

      Hardly, if MLB had caught A-Rod selling PEDs to his teammates — and had no evidence that he was using — the 80-game suspension would apply, which seems to be significantly less than whatever he’s facing now.

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Jul 30, 2013 at 10:02 AM

        Drug dealing and drug use have different penalties, I don’t disagree. They also are not the same offense – which the corner stone of a straw argument – which by definition is when you refute a proposition with a similar but nonequivalent proposition

        And by the way, what is so perfect about the 80 game penalty for dealing?

      • brazcubas - Jul 30, 2013 at 10:15 AM

        And if MLB were simply following the JDA to punish A-Rod for drug use I would have no problem with that, even if they were “creative” in how they applied the penalties.

        If yesterday’s report is to be believed, though, MLB is seeking to step outside the JDA to punish him more harshly, for seemingly no other reason that he’s high profile and makes lots of money (I could be wrong, there may be other reasons that have yet to be disclosed, but the way leaks keep popping up around this whole situation, I’m surprised they haven’t surfaced already).

        So at this point, it seems A-Rod would have been better off as a PED-distributor than as a PED-user, which is just ridiculous.

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Jul 30, 2013 at 10:28 AM

        He also would have been better off giving accounts and descriptions of a game without the express written consent of Major League Baseball.

        Similar, yet different. And againn, what is so perfect about 80 games for dealing? These comparisons could easily be used to say dealing should be a stiffer penalty

      • brazcubas - Jul 30, 2013 at 10:52 AM

        Except that’s a conversation to have when negotiating the JDA, not to contravene it. Not too long ago, MLB felt that the penalties in the agreement were good enough, they can’t unilaterally change them when it suits them.

        If A-Rod had known that the first-time penalty for a highly-paid, high-profile, unpopular player was the cutting off of both thumbs, he probably would have at least tried a little harder to find a source run by more competent folks. Or he would have decided to supply his teammates instead.

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Jul 30, 2013 at 10:55 AM

        Well – lets wait until something is announced before we talk about contravening the JDA

      • brazcubas - Jul 30, 2013 at 11:52 AM

        I second that, I’m inclined to agree with Craig that most of these reports are intended mainly to encourage plea deals and rehabilitate Selig’s image by showing how tough he is now on PED users.

        Still there’s an unseemliness to the whole process that bugs the hell out of me.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jul 30, 2013 at 9:58 AM

      How is it a strawman? Arod’s being punished for using PEDs himself. Is that a worse transgression than if he was selling/distributing to his teammates? Because if not, he’s being punished far more harshly.

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Jul 30, 2013 at 10:06 AM

        Read above. Or I will cut and paste:

        Drug dealing and drug use are not the same offense. A straw argument is when you refute a proposition with a similar but nonequivalent proposition

      • unclemosesgreen - Jul 30, 2013 at 10:26 AM

        What DPF said. Straw argument.

      • Craig Calcaterra - Jul 30, 2013 at 10:37 AM

        Right: dealing drugs is worse than using.

        You’re not disputing this, are you?

      • imnotyourbuddyguy - Jul 30, 2013 at 10:46 AM

        Craig has time to post on this but ignores when people are attacked and has racial comments thrown at then.

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Jul 30, 2013 at 12:03 PM

        @ craig – no. I also believe dealing drugs should be worse than 80 games – do you believe 80 works for that offense? And if not, then why the comparison?

        And do you really believe Bud wold only apply 80 to A-Rod? Let me say that again: Do you REALLY believe a drug dealing A-Rod (Alex Rodriguez, #13 for the Yankees) would only get 80 games from Bud? Yea, I didn’t think you believed it.

  10. themohel - Jul 30, 2013 at 9:39 AM

    As pointed out by chadjones27, not all the facts are in evidence at this point. As is often the case, Craig is out over his skis a bit here. A lot of things are possible at this point, but IF A-Rod actively tried to obstruct this investigation, that is a different critter than simply using the juice. If this activity is not addressed by the JDA, it seems reasonable to use the pre-existing protocol to address the behavior.

    IF A-Rod did nothing more than use the juice, the union will likely file a grievance if the punishment comes out of other parts of the CBA (if they don’t, A-Rod could have a cause of action against them).

    Again, how about we wait to see what the actual facts are before we begin with the foaming of the mouth?

    • Old Gator - Jul 30, 2013 at 9:57 AM

      Maybe we just have hoof and mouth.

      Hoof and mouth? What’s that?

      See that foam there around your mouth?


      That’s hoof and mouth.

      They gonna kill us for having that?


      So how do we keep that from happening to us?

      Wipe that foam off from around your mouth.

      • themohel - Jul 30, 2013 at 10:02 AM

        Well said.

      • raysfan1 - Jul 30, 2013 at 11:27 AM

        Excellent Bill Cosby reference.

  11. sdelmonte - Jul 30, 2013 at 9:52 AM

    Go JW!

  12. unclemosesgreen - Jul 30, 2013 at 9:55 AM

    It’s time to stop guessing what will be the basis for A-Rod’s suspension and just wait for it to happen. The punishments for sale or distribution of a prohibited substance are harsher than the punishments for taking PED’s, section 7.F.2. is the lifetime ban with no application for readmittance to MLB for 2 full years, just like the punishment for the 3rd P.E.D. offense.

    Until you know the duration of and basis for A-Rod’s suspension all arguments of this kind are wildly speculative.

    • natslady - Jul 30, 2013 at 9:58 AM

      Absolutely. And isn’t that what the interwebz are for–wild speculation?

      • unclemosesgreen - Jul 30, 2013 at 10:25 AM

        I know … your point is taken. I just don’t think there’s any sense – under the rules or in his life – that A-Rod would be better off as any sort of drug dealer. A reading of the JDA doesn’t support it, the facts as they unfold will almost certainly not support it. This post was a cheap attempt to dramatize Craig’s larger point, and it fell flat. Hey – out of a thousand posts a day they can’t all be winners.

    • DelawarePhilliesFan - Jul 30, 2013 at 10:41 AM

      “Until you know the duration of and basis for A-Rod’s suspension all arguments of this kind are wildly speculative.”

      Word to your mother (i’m all about the 90’s, man!)

    • natslady - Jul 30, 2013 at 10:51 AM

      @unclemosesgreen, yeah, I find it hard to believe that if Rodriguez were steering players to PEDs that wouldn’t warrant a stiffer penalty than if here were just using them himself and lying about it (which is what I assume Braun did, since we haven’t heard otherwise). I find it hard to believe MLB wouldn’t find a way to enforce that stiffer penalty.

      Rodriguez collects hero-worshipping young players, and apparently, he really does try to help them improve their game. He admitted to using when he was young, when he was in his prime years (he would have been 27-28 in 2002, right?). If he saw a creme here, a little shot there, as helping his raw talent to become star talent, is it “wild” speculation that he would pass that along to his followers–or is it “reasonable” speculation that should be investigated?

      • unclemosesgreen - Jul 30, 2013 at 10:54 AM

        I can’t indulge your speculation as I’m just not feeling wild enough today.

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Jul 30, 2013 at 11:55 AM

        Thank you! Lets be real folk – if A-Rod were dealing PED out of his trunk, Bud would get Medieval on his Ass!

      • Old Gator - Jul 30, 2013 at 12:54 PM

        I think A-roid will really be suspended for engaging his Jaeger with that Category 4 Kaiju without waiting for permission from the Marshal and reinjuring his calf. We can’t have that kind of thing.

  13. amhendrick - Jul 30, 2013 at 9:56 AM

    Say the evidence shows that ARod (1) used PEDs, (2) participated in the distribution of PEDs by recruiting other players to Biogenesis, and (3) lied to MLB investigators. Is that 3 separate offenses for which 3 separate penalties can be stacked on top of each other? Or does the ‘just cause’ provision in 7.G.2 give Bud the right to make up a penalty?

    • chadjones27 - Jul 30, 2013 at 10:31 AM

      (2) Recruiting other players to biogenesis and calling it “distribution” is a far stretch. That’d be like getting banned for given someone the number to your pot dealer.

      Just cause wouldn’t work either, in my opinion. 7.G.2 refers to things outlined in section 2 (prohibitive substances), which are all types of drugs (rec. drugs, PEDs and stimulants) for anything outside of the the penalties shown in 7.A – 7.F
      A. PED
      B. Stimulants
      C. failure to comply with initial eval or treatment program (which i read as, not taking a test or attending rehab/counseling)
      D. pot
      E. Conviction for use or possession
      F. sale or distribution

      No where in there, that I can find, does it mention anything about impeding an MLB investigation. So, it appears, Bud does a leg to stand on. I can’t find language allowing suspensions for lying to investigators.

      • natslady - Jul 30, 2013 at 10:59 AM

        I think you are missing a “not”? Bud does NOT have a leg to stand on, if I understand what you are saying?

        Gonna disagree here on the word “distribute.” Not a lawyer, and I understand your analogy to the pot dealer… though I’ve never had a pot dealer’s phone number in my life and I’m not sure which of my friends possesses one.

        But words do count. Even if Rodriguez didn’t physically hand over the goods, if he described their beneficial effect, if he encouraged their use, that’s more than giving someone a phone number, that’s offering it.

      • chadjones27 - Jul 30, 2013 at 11:48 AM

        I stand by what I typed. There is nothing that I can find in the JDA that allows Bud the authority to punish players for lying during an investigation. So, it doesn’t seem to me that he’s throwing the JDA out the window. It seems to me that he’s using the CBA for impeding the investigation.
        I will be more than happy to change my mind in I saw in the JDA language contradicting me. In honor of full discloser, I didn’t read every page of it, but it doesn’t seem like there’s anything that give the Bud the right (in the JDA) to penalize a player for this. It outlines punishment for offenses related to taking, distributing, and being caught with drugs (many different forms) and including being caught outside of MLB (ie: something like getting caught smoking weed by the cops).
        I’m not saying I agree with Bud.

  14. 1908wasnextyear - Jul 30, 2013 at 10:12 AM

    The irony is that, given some time and historical perspective down the road, the baseball public might look back and realize how much of a witch hunt A-Rod’s punishment was and start comparing him to Shoeless Joe.
    Well…maybe not. But there’s gonna be a backlash. Someday.

    • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Jul 30, 2013 at 12:08 PM

      The only thing that would make it clearer in the present is if MLB hired Kenneth Starr to handle the case. Bud seems willing to risk decades of labor/management peace in order to stick it to that rascally ARod. And somehow, everyone keeps saying ARod is the bad guy in this and cursing him as the cause of this whole thing.

      If Bud & Co actually have something against him, issue the punishment and start the process. If they don’t, stop the witch-hunt. My guess is that they are dragging this out hoping for ARod to do or say something stupid that gives them the smoking gun they lack.

  15. darthicarus - Jul 30, 2013 at 10:48 AM

    Part of me hopes that Selig will give a press conference about ARod and on his walk up to the podium, with notes in hand, ARod will run by and slap the papers down then continue on like he’s free to play and nothing happened. That would be very ARod-ish, fitting, and somehow not surprising.

  16. spacemaker101 - Jul 30, 2013 at 10:58 AM

    So tired of hearing ab this bs with A-rod if he cheating get him the hell of the field if not let him play.. Just stop making every headline ab it. So annoying

    • raysfan1 - Jul 30, 2013 at 11:28 AM

      If it is so tiresome for you, why are you still reading them and then commenting about them?

    • chadjones27 - Jul 30, 2013 at 2:13 PM

      Apparently typing out the word “about” is also tiresome

  17. bh192012 - Jul 30, 2013 at 11:58 AM

    He may have distributed…. Most people don’t start using drugs because a drug dealer offers to sell them drugs or because they looked one up in the phone book. I would guess that most people start by borrowing from some druggie friend. Likely involving peer pressure. It wouldn’t suprise me at all if Melky or someone admitted to borrowing lozenges from ARod while under his wing.

    ARod likely used, distributed and obstructed. If ARod was ONLY a drug dealer, then sure he would have been better off. But as is, it’s a pointless hypothetical. It’s also intentionally a false equivilance as far as sense of proportion goes since it intentionally misses the other charges.

    I don’t really see the need to be deceptive or protective of ARod.

  18. sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Jul 30, 2013 at 12:15 PM

    If ARod is cleared of charges on appeal, can he sue MLB for irreparable harm to his image? Can he sue Bud personally in the process? Can we then have special investigators sniffing around in Bud’s trash to find any little piece of dirt that will then be leaked to make Bud look like the power-tripping, vendetta-harboring petulant child he is?

  19. jwbiii - Jul 30, 2013 at 12:24 PM

    The point that I was trying to make in my comment is that dealing is worse than using. If a first offense for dealing PEDs has a maximum penalty of 100 games, how can a first offense for using be anything more?

    • unclemosesgreen - Jul 30, 2013 at 12:29 PM

      Your point is well taken.

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