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The Phillies want Xander Bogaerts from the Red Sox in a Cliff Lee deal

Jul 30, 2013, 1:00 PM EDT

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I remain skeptical that the Phillies will actually trade Cliff Lee, but it could happen. If it does, it’s gonna take a lot. One report from Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe is that it will take top infield prospect Xander Bogaerts:


Rosenthal and Heyman both have columns up about Lee. Heyman mentions that the Red Sox are interested. Rosenthal makes the argument that the Sox should trade Bogaerts if it meant getting Lee.

Bogaerts is hitting .298./396/.495 across Double-A and Triple-A this season. And he’s only 20. It would be a big, big price to pay, but Cliff Lee is by far the biggest starting pitcher who could even conceivably be traded.

  1. sabatimus - Jul 30, 2013 at 1:03 PM

    That ain’t gonna happen.

    • magnumforce1973 - Jul 30, 2013 at 1:32 PM

      Why not?? I think the fake Sox should get rid of Xander cuz he bogarts the joint!!

      And in other news the blosox are now 5-5 in their last 10 and are 1/2 game out of first again. Can you say digging a hole? You betcha!!

      • giantsninerswarriors - Jul 30, 2013 at 3:50 PM

        ^ Irrational people are irrational.

      • tiggersarebouncy - Jul 30, 2013 at 3:51 PM

        Now you sound like that homeless-looking guy who coaches the New England Patsies – Mr. It Is What It Is. Must be something in the water over there!!

      • sabatimus - Jul 30, 2013 at 5:13 PM

        Are you really drunk THIS early on a weekday?

      • tiggersarebouncy - Jul 30, 2013 at 6:25 PM

        HAHA – I don’t know what you’re talking about!!

      • dirtyharry1971 - Jul 30, 2013 at 9:44 PM

        Well said Magnumforce1973!! Another great poster on this board, I will look forward to many more. You are a breath of fresh air on this thing let me tell you! Welcome aboard!

  2. gothapotamus90210 - Jul 30, 2013 at 1:03 PM

    Lee, Young and $15M for Boegaerts, Brentz and DeLaRosa

    • scotttheskeptic - Jul 30, 2013 at 1:09 PM

      That sounds like a deal both ways to me.

    • turdfurgerson68 - Jul 30, 2013 at 1:28 PM

      Yo gothapotamus90210, what about sharing some of them drugs you on?

      I wanna go to the place where you think the Red Sox would EVER, even for a milisecond, consider that moronic offer you just proffered.

      You need to stay away from the brown acid man…

      • heyblueyoustink - Jul 30, 2013 at 2:21 PM

        Brown Acid OK.

        Black Buick Acid, really bad.

      • azphilly - Jul 30, 2013 at 3:14 PM

        They have done it before, when they got josh beckett and mike lowell and won the WS.

  3. jcmeyer10 - Jul 30, 2013 at 1:07 PM

    No thank you! I want the Sox to try a few years of actually developing prospects and then trading them at the height of the value.

    In essence, I want to see if the Sox can do what the Rays do.

    • jcmeyer10 - Jul 30, 2013 at 1:14 PM

      John Henry would be printing money by saving 80 million on payroll every year, making the playoffs and taking a little more of the dollars spent on Boston area merchandise.

      I haven’t bought a Red Sox T Shirt Jersey (Love that you can wear them 95% more than a regular jersey) since Mike Lowell.

      • 18thstreet - Jul 30, 2013 at 1:35 PM

        Re: Mike Lowell:

        So you’re saying you liked it when they won. That’s big of you.

      • jcmeyer10 - Jul 30, 2013 at 2:02 PM

        But I have managed to watch most the games since the turn of the century so you can lay off man.

      • jcmeyer10 - Jul 30, 2013 at 2:04 PM

        Plus I thought we were on the same team 18thStreet.

      • jcmeyer10 - Jul 30, 2013 at 2:21 PM


        Can we agree Lowell would make a hell of a manager for the Sox in five-ten years?

      • 18thstreet - Jul 30, 2013 at 2:32 PM

        Hugs all around. The only Red Sox fan I hate around here is TBuck or whatever his name is.

  4. offseasonblues - Jul 30, 2013 at 1:10 PM

    “The Phillies want Xander Bogaerts from the Red Sox in a Cliff Lee deal”

    yeah, well, people in hell want ice water …

    • scotttheskeptic - Jul 30, 2013 at 1:13 PM

      Really, ten starts from Lee could tip the AL East. Yeah, big price, but proven performer.

      • jcmeyer10 - Jul 30, 2013 at 1:15 PM

        That’s why it’s an intriguing option but Bogaerts automatically makes the price too high without the Phlunkies eating any salary.

      • scotttheskeptic - Jul 30, 2013 at 1:16 PM

        OK, I still pull the trigger on this from a Phillies perspective.

      • jcmeyer10 - Jul 30, 2013 at 2:08 PM

        I hear that but the question is, would the Red Sox pay. I just don’t think so.

      • Francisco (FC) - Jul 30, 2013 at 2:34 PM

        Why just 10? Are we assuming Cliff Lee will meet some Tragic demise come October? If the Red Sox DO acquire Lee then he’ll be there for two more seasons as well.

  5. zukny1 - Jul 30, 2013 at 1:11 PM

    PLEASE make this happen! Oh Man! I would love to have that player in the Philly outfield!

    • jcmeyer10 - Jul 30, 2013 at 1:12 PM


    • jcmeyer10 - Jul 30, 2013 at 1:22 PM

      You mean playing a shift against Ortiz in the outfield or that being his regular position. 😀

      • Glenn - Jul 30, 2013 at 1:39 PM

        Bogaerts projects to 3rd base or center field in the majors instead of shortstop.

      • magnumforce1973 - Jul 30, 2013 at 1:51 PM

        Everyone should play the shift against Big Sloppy, he’s not about to beat out a bunt anytime soon!!

      • zukny1 - Jul 30, 2013 at 2:08 PM

        Phillies have a short stop in Jimmy Rollins who is most likely to end his career in Philly. If you take on Bogaerts, you’ll have to adjust positions. We already have two 3rd basemen in the Minors that are looking good. Ashe being 1 of the, who we will see very soon. The other, is Franco.

        So if the dream happens and you get Bogaerts, he will move to the outfield. Below is a nice article describing his versatility.

      • Francisco (FC) - Jul 30, 2013 at 2:45 PM

        OR if you acquire Xander you then trade one or both of your promising 3B prospects for help in other areas. There’s no such thing as too many prospects in one position. In addition there are no guarantees in baseball, it’s not a given any of the prospects you have will pan out so it doesn’t hurt to have options.

    • beefytrout - Jul 30, 2013 at 1:28 PM

      Don’t you know it’s an unwritten rule on HBT that you’re never supposed to want a player on anther team on your team?

    • hotsoxfan - Jul 30, 2013 at 2:45 PM

      DUH Hello the man is a shortstop…you won’t see him in any outfield anytime soon…thus the reason they may not trade him. Drew is 33 and at 20 Bogaerts is the future with Pedroia

  6. garylanglais - Jul 30, 2013 at 1:15 PM

    I don’t think the Red Sox will trade any high-end prospects but remember they may acquire two more first round picks assuming they tender Ellsbury and Napoli and the two go sign contracts elsewhere.

    This may play a factor in the Red Sox believing they can quickly replenish the system

    • jcmeyer10 - Jul 30, 2013 at 1:21 PM

      Please someone correct me if I am wrong but didn’t the new CBA change such that the Sox (age old) strategy of signing a guy, then getting a draft pick back is moot?

      That is to say, they won’t be able to cash in on Napoli but they will be able to receive compensation for Ells.

      • scotttheskeptic - Jul 30, 2013 at 1:25 PM

        I believe the change impacted teams trading for pending FA’s by eliminating the draft-pick compensation. If the player has been on the roster the entire year, a qualifying offer is necessary to gain that comp pick.

      • jcmeyer10 - Jul 30, 2013 at 1:26 PM

        Thank you Scott. That’s what the Sox would do. Trade for an impending FA, if he didn’t work out QO him and then let him walk and grab a pick.

      • garylanglais - Jul 30, 2013 at 1:33 PM

        New CBA requires you to tender an impending free agent to a 1-year contract that averages out to the top 100 MLB salaries (about $14m).

        If the player refuses that offer he submits himself to free agency but the team that signs him gives up its first round pick (so long as outside top 10) and the team that lost said player receives a first round pick at the end of the first round.

        You are not allowed to tender an impending free agent the 1-year contract if that player was not on your team on opening day (i.e., traded for at the deadline).

  7. mungman69 - Jul 30, 2013 at 1:22 PM

    The Phillies make a trade? I don’t think so.

  8. 18thstreet - Jul 30, 2013 at 1:22 PM

    I’m opposed.

    I think Cliff Lee’s awesome. But the Red Sox’ offense is so flawed, and the bullpen — which might have been a strength — is a work in progress. Key pieces are gone, and they’re relying on question marks. (On the other hand: hello, Drake Britton!) When the Red Sox’ offense was cooking, it was thanks to outsized contributions from the likes of Mike Carp, Daniel Nava and Jose Iglesias. Now that the latter of those two have cooled off, the offense seems to come down to Mike Napoli (assuming plus contributions from Ortiz, Pedroia, and Ellsbury).

    If the Red Sox had a great offense and a great bullpen, then I would be — reluctantly — cool with trading the future to bolster the starting rotation. But even with Lee, you still have an offense that can be shutdown (as David Price keeps proving) and a bullpen that’s leaning heavily on the arm of 38-year old Koji Uehara. And next year’s offense figures to be worse, since Ellsbury probably leaves (replaced by Jackie Bradley, Jr.) and Ortiz probably can’t keep this up.

    No deal.

  9. bdawk20 - Jul 30, 2013 at 1:23 PM

    It would be nice if we did this, even if we had to eat some salary.

  10. turdfurgerson68 - Jul 30, 2013 at 1:30 PM

    No…end of story.


  11. stlouis1baseball - Jul 30, 2013 at 1:39 PM

    Puff, puff, give…Bogaerts.

    • jimeejohnson - Jul 30, 2013 at 2:01 PM

      Reefer Madness!

  12. Glenn - Jul 30, 2013 at 1:45 PM

    Why would the Red Sox trade the number one rated prospect in baseball (as rated by some) for a guy with a massive and long contract? I love Cliff Lee, too, and he might be a difference maker this year, but that contract looks potentially scary in the long run. Plus it is implied that it would take more than just Bogaerts to get the deal done.

    • 18thstreet - Jul 30, 2013 at 2:25 PM

      Cliff Lee’s contract was massive and long-term. Now it’s just massive:

      11:$11M, 12:$21.5M, 13:$25M, 14:$25M, 15:$25M, 16:$27.5M club option (or $12.5M buyout)

      Assuming there’s $8 million left for 2013, that’s $62.5 million through 2015 or $85.5 million through 2016. The latter seems more likely. Assuming, for a moment that Cliff Lee were a free agent at the end of the year, three years, $75 million would be considered a very team-friendly contract. (Look what the Tigers paid for Verlander to keep him out of free agency.) And you’d definitely pay $8ish million for the rest of 2013.

      It’s not about the money. And Lee’s worth whatever his salary is. It’s about the prospects.

  13. jb8588 - Jul 30, 2013 at 1:46 PM

    Having personally watched Xander play many times in the minor leagues, Sox would be flat out stupid to do this. If Lee was 3-5 years younger…then maybe you should consider it if you’re Boston…but not for a pitcher who is 34.

    • magnumforce1973 - Jul 30, 2013 at 1:53 PM

      I LOOOVVE the idea of the blosox trading Bogarts for 10 weeks of cliff lee, I really think you should go for it!!

      • chadjones27 - Jul 30, 2013 at 2:08 PM

        How is it only 10 weeks? Lee is signed for a couple of years still.

      • magnumforce1973 - Jul 30, 2013 at 2:23 PM

        HAHA!! I think you should go for it and throw in that Jackie Wilson Jr. kid too!!

      • dirtyharry1971 - Jul 30, 2013 at 9:46 PM

        I wish everyone on here made sense to my like tiggers and magnumforce, these guys know what the HECK they are talking about!! talk about a breath of fresh air!!

    • brooksob53 - Jul 30, 2013 at 2:08 PM

      What if the White Sox’s came calling for Bogaerts with Chris Sale as the carrot? Would you make that trade?

      • knowlegeforyou - Jul 30, 2013 at 2:23 PM

        I would

  14. wheels579 - Jul 30, 2013 at 2:00 PM

    Rosenthal and Cafardo can have these opinions because two years down the road they can always write about how dumb the trade was for the Red Sox and nobody will recall their hypocrisy. Writers always want the trades to happen so they can have it both ways.

    • 18thstreet - Jul 30, 2013 at 2:30 PM

      I plan on being a Red Sox fan in 2019. That’s the difference. Ken Rosenthal has no investment in the 2019 Red Sox. But I’ll care about them as much then as now. Plus, my son will be 10 by then, which is the best age to be a sports fan. So I place a much higher value on the Future Sox than Ken Rosenthal and Nick Cafardo do.

      And given that Cafardo was Bobby Valentine’s biggest advocate, I don’t think he should be allowed to express an opinion ever again.

      • jcmeyer10 - Jul 30, 2013 at 2:44 PM

        I hear ya. I always laugh when you hear where some local sportwriters came from. They covered 5 different teams by the time they get here.

        Same with sports talk radio guys.

      • 18thstreet - Jul 30, 2013 at 2:45 PM

        They root for the story, and big trades make for an interesting story no matter the outcome.

      • jcmeyer10 - Jul 30, 2013 at 2:59 PM

        Yah or else they have to pay attention to the minutia that the real fans pay attention to.

  15. Advanced Strength Training Programs - Jul 30, 2013 at 2:02 PM

    Would really be a sign of desperation on Boston’s part. A great farm system is a rare rare luxury these days

  16. mornelithe - Jul 30, 2013 at 2:13 PM

    Regardless of how the Sox have played this year, it’s a bridge year and they need to be concerned with the future (next year and the years following), rather than sacrificing the future for the ‘possibility’ at a ring this year. There’s no certainty that bringing Lee in, gives you that ring.

    No deal.

    • knowlegeforyou - Jul 30, 2013 at 2:24 PM

      Tell that to the Nationals

      • mornelithe - Jul 30, 2013 at 4:03 PM

        Why would I tell that to the Nationals? I have no interest in that team whatsoever.

  17. yardleyphils - Jul 30, 2013 at 2:33 PM

    If this report is true, it’s little more than RAJ saying he isn’t trading Cliff Lee

  18. twpguy1964 - Jul 30, 2013 at 2:38 PM

    Either Boston gives 2 or 3 top prospects or they can pound sand! If Amaro flops on another big trade, he’s gonna get jumped and pounded in philly

  19. homelanddefense - Jul 30, 2013 at 2:48 PM

    Its ridiculous to even entertain that. They arent giving up their #1 prospect for an old pitcher with a massive contract. NO WAY. You dont take on all that salary AND give up your top blue chip.

  20. kvanhorn87 - Jul 30, 2013 at 4:12 PM

    My sources say the A’s are dark horse, Dodgers willing to give up top 2 prospects. Could get interesting!

  21. hitdog042 - Jul 30, 2013 at 4:45 PM

    Red Sox will not trade Xander. They have made that abundantly clear. Nor should they. That would be repeating past mistakes. Which is insanity. Phillies would be wise to take Workman, Middlebrooks and Brentz. But Amaro as I read and understand isn’t wise. Let him go down paying Lee for a losing team. His call.

  22. bosoxfanpeds - Jul 30, 2013 at 6:53 PM

    The Red Sox need to bring up their prospects and not trade them away……The only way you trade them is to bring in Roger Clemens, Pedro, Eckersley type of players under the age of 25…..

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