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Picking up baseballs

Jul 31, 2013, 6:31 PM EST

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This fascinating interview of Tino Martinez by Kenny Rosenthal reminds me again that I planned years ago to write a book called “Moneyball.” Obviously it was going to be nothing at all like Michael Lewis’ classic. The idea was to write about the late 1990s Kansas City Royals and their, um, rather awkward efforts to win.

The name Moneyball in my title came from a game that George Brett introduced at training camp one year. Players would take batting practice with no fielders. Then, at the end of the session, players would run to the outfield and collect the baseballs. One of the baseballs were specially marked by Brett — and whoever found it would get 100 bucks of Brett’s money.

It was awesome and hilarious to watch those players race to the outfield to find the Moneyball — more so because there in the group, running as hard as anyone, was George Brett himself. “I’m going pay myself!” he yelled as he ran to the outfield.

Of the many traditions and quirks of baseball, I think my favorite is that baseball players — no matter how good or unknown or famous they might be — collect and return baseballs after batting practice. I love this tradition beyond words. I don’t mind baseball players getting hundreds of millions of dollars, not at all. They are fantastic athletes who play more games than anybody in any other sport, and they provide wonderful entertainment — they should get as much as anyone is willing to pay them. I also understand the money will change athletes like it changes everyone and baseball will never be quite as intimate as it used to be.

But I hope that they always pick up their own baseballs. It’s a small thing, I know — we’re not exactly talking about the days when baseball players had to get winter jobs. But it represents something to me. Every time a coach shouts out, “OK, get ‘em up,” and you see Barry Bonds or Derek Jeter or Chipper Jones or Dustin Pedroia or Miguel Cabrera go pick up baseballs and put them back into the bucket, I feel great. It is something that ties them to the game’s history. It is something that says, “No matter what I get paid, I’m a ballplayer — and while I might have yachts and sports cars and five homes, like all the little kids playing, I have to pick up my own baseballs.”

I don’t know if the Tino Martinez saga really comes down to a couple of Marlins players refusing to pick up baseballs like he says now. As you know, Martinez resigned under pressure as Marlins hitting coach because players said he had been verbally and physically abusive. This was surprising because Martinez had a reputation as a pretty decent guy as a player. So Martinez fought back with this Ken Rosenthal interview, and this is where he talked about guys refusing to pick up baseballs. I don’t know if that’s the story.

But it’s all complicated. This question of where the line between severe demanding coaching and abuse continues to baffle America — it wasn’t so long ago that Martinez would have been fired for NOT being verbally (if not physically) abusive for a Marlins team dead last in runs, hits, batting average, on-base percentage and slugging percentage.

In fact, in reliving the Martinez story, my friend Chardon Jimmy remembered a football coach who yelled at him: “If you ever do that again, I will reach down your throat and pull out your heart.” And I remembered a little league coach who would throw baseballs (somewhat lightly) at me in order to teach me to not bail out as a hitter. Both of us sort of laughed about it. I’m pretty sure both qualify as abuse, at least by today’s standards.

And I don’t really know what Martinez did or did not do, how far he went, whether he really grabbed a players throat or his jersey, whether that matters, how over-the-line his comments were. Heck, it’s harder all the time to know where the line is drawn. But what Martinez said about two players refusing to pick up baseballs struck a chord with me. I don’t want a generation of players who think they’re too important to pick up baseballs. I realize that’s a silly and probably dumb thing to worry about. But I worry about it anyway.

  1. proudlycanadian - Jul 31, 2013 at 7:04 PM

    Thumbs Up Joe!

    • moogro - Jul 31, 2013 at 11:30 PM

      This thread escalates quickly.

      • proudlycanadian - Aug 1, 2013 at 6:57 AM

        Weird wasn’t it? A lot of things were written that were best left unwritten.

    • dickclydesdale - Aug 1, 2013 at 12:40 PM

      Tino has a Cuban temper. He admits to being at fault in challenging Casey Kotchman to a fight so that alone makes him unworkable with the hitters. He seems stuck in his glory days always talking about how he played with Jeter. He can stuff a big Cuban papaya in his mouth for being a jerk!

      • proudlycanadian - Aug 1, 2013 at 12:48 PM

        You seem to be an expert on jerks, Dick.

  2. hittfamily - Jul 31, 2013 at 7:12 PM

    He’s a hitting coach. Not their dad. Work on their mechanics. Don’t grab 25 year old men by the throat because your tradition is different than theirs.

    This scumbag is assaulting people below him weeks after he is put in a position of power for the first time in his life. Fuck you Tino, you piece of shit.

    • Reflex - Jul 31, 2013 at 7:25 PM

      So you are simply assuming the claims of the player were 100% correct and allowing no possibility that maybe Tino wasn’t as bad as they said?

      Tino had a great reputation here in Seattle, including for being even tempered. The whole thing surprised me. I don’t know what happened, and I tend to oppose hard ass coaching. That said, I’m not going to assume it was as bad as those who disliked him implied just on their say so.

      • hittfamily - Jul 31, 2013 at 7:30 PM

        It was confirmed by multiple players. Then he resigned even though his boss didn’t want him to. He assaulted people who looked up to him and wanted to learn from him. He is a bully. He is an abuser. He is an asshole.

      • historiophiliac - Jul 31, 2013 at 7:52 PM

        Don’t encourage the trolls!

      • hittfamily - Jul 31, 2013 at 7:56 PM

        Don’t call me a troll. Why? Because I think abusing your employees is wrong? Because I think grabbing subordinates by the neck is inhumane? Because I think Tino is not some living legend who commands respect because of his marvelous career?

        Watch your namecalling Historio. I can do it too.

      • Reflex - Jul 31, 2013 at 8:04 PM

        The details of each instance were confirmed in their entirety by multiple players? Link please. Also, which parts of his statements since then have been outright lies? I ask because there is some contradiction between what he has said and what you are saying players said.

        You don’t think there is any wiggle room for truth here too? Also, Tino is not an employer, he was not abusing his employees. He is a coach, in a specific discipline, and players do not have to utilize him if they do not wish(many have private hitting coaches).

        I’m not excusing his behavior if its all true, and even what he said may have been excessive or handled via other channels better. But I am not going to jump to assume the worst on someone who until now has had a great personal reputation based on the words of a couple people who have yet to make actual statements on the situation themselves. We may or may not ever hear all sides of the story, but I don’t sit around waiting for people to make one slip in life so I can condemn them for all eternity.

      • historiophiliac - Jul 31, 2013 at 8:19 PM

        hittfamily, I am on your side. I was not calling you a troll. I was suggesting to Reflex that he was encouraging some of the other commenters on here. That is all. I’m sorry for the confusion on that. Can we please activate our Wonder Twin powers now?

        Reflex, why are we having these tiffs lately? :(

      • Reflex - Jul 31, 2013 at 8:42 PM

        I haven’t read below this section because I am certain there are a number of morons bashing on ‘sissy players’ or some other out of date insulting term and I really don’t want to read it. I am not defending abusive bosses. I am saying that the knee jerk response to someone who is at least willing to talk publicly about what happened and explain their side of it, without bashing the accusers, is overkill. Furthermore I think there are factual inaccuracies in the accusations of hittfamily, at best Tino is a co-worker, a peer, not their boss and that is a VERY important distinction.

        Basically I am calling for a bit of nuance rather than a lynching, especially given that this is Tino Martinez, *not* Bobby Knight.

        As for tiffs, they are one sided, I’m still starstruck by you, Historio. Also, I tend to look for a partner who isn’t afraid to stand up to me, I am wrong sometimes and I value a partner who is willing to tell me when, its a matter of trust as that is the one person I need to be able to trust that if I’ve gone too far(or am about to) that they be the voice of reason. Or just to put me in my place when necessary. ;)

      • historiophiliac - Jul 31, 2013 at 9:02 PM

        Man, I’d just love to erase this whole thing. If you’d like to see some pathetic attempts at sexism and vagina-hating, feel free to read on. I don’t recommend it though.

        I was really more teasing you about the tiffs. I appreciate your attempt to be fair about the whole thing (even if I do think grabbing a player’s jersey or pushing him cross the line). I also appreciate where hittfamily is coming from too b/c it’s better to be intolerant of bullying and err on the side of caution there.

        Think I’ll make some dinner and turn on the game. (Psst, we won 11-1 :) )

      • Reflex - Jul 31, 2013 at 9:08 PM

        Sadly I went ahead and read it and, uh, yeah. I’d white knight you but honestly you have the idiots well in hand even if they are too dumb to realize it.

        Grats on the final score! I’m not a Tigers fan but I’d love to see that city win a WS. They could use some good news.

      • historiophiliac - Jul 31, 2013 at 9:21 PM

        Oh, wait, I never asked: Are you an NL fan? Yanks? I assumed Mariners, but that’s been getting me in trouble lately.

      • Reflex - Jul 31, 2013 at 9:32 PM

        I don’t have a team, I grew up in an area with only a minor league club(short season single A in Eugene, Oregon) and as a result really never attached to a major league club. I love a good game, I don’t care that much who’s playing. I will say that NL style ball is more appealing to me than AL style, but its marginal really and both can produce compelling games that are fun to watch so I don’t get into the religious war there.

        I’m mostly a fan of seeing well run organizations, so right now I admire the Rays, A’s and what I think JackZ is building in Seattle(if he’s given time to see it through). I can’t say the big money clubs impress me much, but mostly its out of a respect for degree of difficulty and those clubs just have a much lower degree of difficulty.

        It would be fun to see the M’s go all the way, but mostly because I remember how electric it was here in 2001 and it was great to see even if strictly speaking I’m not a M’s fan. Plus the ASG that year was awesome and worth every penny I paid for those tickets for myself and my then gf(huge Dodger fan who loved seeing Lasorda get rolled).

        Are you from Detroit? I was under the impression you were from Indianapolis, I don’t know if most people there tend to go with the Tigers over other not-too-far-away teams or not. I’m not used to the idea of having multiple nearby MLB teams to choose from as a fan, for me it was either Seattle or SanFran, and I didn’t really latch on to either.

      • historiophiliac - Jul 31, 2013 at 9:40 PM

        I grew up in the Frying Pan (and live here again) — the local MiLB teams were for Houston & Texas (now the Rockies) and I was able to see good players come up ranging from Pudge to Tulo. We don’t have an MLB team here but I am a Tigers fan b/c my mom is from Michigan (all her family is there) and my grandpa was an RHP in their system. I am a diehard AL fan accordingly.

      • Reflex - Jul 31, 2013 at 11:14 PM

        Very cool about your grandfather, wish I had some lineage like that.

      • historiophiliac - Jul 31, 2013 at 11:28 PM

        Don’t be too impressed. He blew out his liver before he made it all the way up.

      • Reflex - Aug 1, 2013 at 1:57 PM

        A common problem back then, I hear they make livers to a much higher standard these days..

    • source7769 - Jul 31, 2013 at 7:48 PM

      aww did he choke you too? sorry but if a 25 yr old player cant stand up for himself he better hope baseball pans out cause he will never last out there in the real world

      • hittfamily - Jul 31, 2013 at 7:52 PM

        You have never been abused by someone in a position of power. I have. It hurts. It hurts really bad. It hurts when you wake up and it hurts when you go to bed. People end their life because of bullies. These aren’t rich players. They are borderline at best. What do you suggest? Slug your boss?

        You can go fuck yourself too.

      • Reflex - Jul 31, 2013 at 8:05 PM

        I’ve been abused by people in power too. I think most people have at some point in their life. That said, I tend to be very careful about tossing that accusation around when not all sides of a story have been heard.

      • hittfamily - Jul 31, 2013 at 8:17 PM

        I tend to take the side of the abused, not the abuser.

        Martinez admits physically assaulting Dietrich. Both Ruggiano and Dietrich say he’s a liar regarding the picking up of balls.

      • dondada10 - Jul 31, 2013 at 8:18 PM

        Look, if Tino got physical, he was wrong. But Hitt, chill out. I’m an assistant coach in a basketball program and sometimes I get yelled at by my head coach. It’s not the end of the world: it’s sports.

        Again though, all that is out the window if Tino was physical or threatened physical abuse.

      • hittfamily - Jul 31, 2013 at 8:38 PM

        I really don’t see what you volunteering at the YMCA has to do with any of this. Tino Martinez admits physically assaulting one of his players. He admits to getting in screaming fights with multiple players.

        A hitting instructor does not have the right to assault his students, even if they go so far as to leave baseballs on the ground.

      • Reflex - Jul 31, 2013 at 8:46 PM

        They are not Tino’s students, nor his employees. He’s an option for them and they do not have to go to him for instruction. He is a peer at best.

        And quite frankly I tend to be inclined to believe Tino over a couple of guys who did not build up a 20 year reputation as a nice guy.

      • dondada10 - Jul 31, 2013 at 8:48 PM

        Volunteering at a YMCA? Look, you’re a nobody so I’m not going to tell you who I am or where I coach. It’s not your concern. But you don’t know the first thing about sports.

      • detroitfanatic - Jul 31, 2013 at 9:15 PM

        I think Hitfamily played for FSU, but maybe I misremember. Dondada: Big leagueing us with the “Don’t you know who I am” attitude? Lame! Tino did that just before he tried to fight a guy in his his month in the majors.

    • yankeefan1950 - Aug 1, 2013 at 4:34 PM

      This is one of the things that’s wrong with the internet, it gives wusses like “hittfamily” the courage to say things that they’d never say in person.

  3. drfeelyouup - Jul 31, 2013 at 7:21 PM

    Awww poor wittle pwayers got their wittle feelings hurt by the hitting coach. Man up scrubs. Pick up the balls like other players you will never amount to and shut your face while you do it.

    • historiophiliac - Jul 31, 2013 at 7:48 PM

      The best thing about being female is that we don’t have to take a bunch of crap to somehow prove we are “woman enough.” It’s really lame that you do that to each other.

      • drfeelyouup - Jul 31, 2013 at 7:55 PM

        I don’t expect you to understand. Go paint your nails.

      • historiophiliac - Jul 31, 2013 at 7:58 PM

        Ooops, missed your handle before. Didn’t catch that you were a mouth-breather. Enjoy your grunting, Mr. Pig.

      • ltzep75 - Jul 31, 2013 at 8:04 PM

        Really ‘Phillac?

        Is it your position that women do not judge each other by any gender stereotypes or by odd, perhaps superficial, criteria? Never?

        Please. The next thing I know, you’re going to laud the value of cake over pie, as well as claim that cheesecake is not a pie (even though key lime pie is clearly pie, and nearly identical in form to cheesecake).

      • historiophiliac - Jul 31, 2013 at 8:13 PM

        I did not say that. My point was that we don’t have to take being bullied/put up with screaming and violence to prove we are somehow legitimately feminine.

        Also, pie and cake are nice but clearly inferior to bread pudding.

      • benjisbigumpblockingbutt - Jul 31, 2013 at 8:18 PM

        you want me to come running with my pig spear? /stares menacingly at prolly fake dr

      • historiophiliac - Jul 31, 2013 at 8:21 PM

        Have at it, knight in shining bacon fat.

      • benjisbigumpblockingbutt - Jul 31, 2013 at 8:49 PM

        that’s what makes shiny the moons of my hammies /charges prolly fake dr

      • drfeelyouup - Jul 31, 2013 at 8:24 PM

        Come charge at me historiophiliac, after you make me a sammich.

      • historiophiliac - Jul 31, 2013 at 8:26 PM

        Dude, your attempts to be insulting are laughtastic. No, wait, lame.

      • proudlycanadian - Jul 31, 2013 at 9:23 PM

        Hi historiophiliac. keep fighting the good fight, although I wonder why some people are so heated tonight. Kind of silly. Do not think that there is a full moon. A nice win today for Detroit who were playing without Miggy.

      • proudlycanadian - Jul 31, 2013 at 9:26 PM

        P. S. historio. The Pirates just released Inge. His career might be over.

      • historiophiliac - Jul 31, 2013 at 9:33 PM

        I only hope he never returns to the D.

      • ltzep75 - Jul 31, 2013 at 11:19 PM

        well that got out of hand quickly.

      • historiophiliac - Jul 31, 2013 at 11:26 PM

        Pretty much.

    • pbastille - Jul 31, 2013 at 11:35 PM

      Oh my. PFT is making its way here after all. civility people. First thumbs down will probably come from wife.

  4. frank35sox - Jul 31, 2013 at 7:24 PM

    God–I was actually going to compliment Craig on a nice piece. Don’t worry though- -we all knew he didn’t have that much sense.

    Nice piece, Joe.

    • IdahoMariner - Jul 31, 2013 at 11:26 PM

      Damn, you just sprained my brain.

      I can’t give you a thumbs up because you voiced an opinion about Craig that we don’t “all” share. I think Craig often makes a whole lot of sense.

      But I can’t give you a thumbs up because, yeah, as usual, a nice piece by Joe.

      Once again proving the folly of the thumbs up/down system.

      (but I gotta finish supporting historio in the good fight, so, onward)

  5. kevinleaptrot - Jul 31, 2013 at 7:26 PM

    This is one of those traditions that starts in Little League and carries over to the next level all the way to the big leagues. Better players than these have carried on this tradition at the big league level. Those knuckleheads that refused should all be sent off to the Frontier League and then go grab a job cleaning bathrooms at McDonald’s when the season’s over. They don’t deserve to have a spot on a big league roster.

    • hittfamily - Jul 31, 2013 at 8:02 PM

      If you think Tino got big leagued by guys making their MLB debut, you are an idiot. I think Tino is a liar. Every player in the history of baseball at every level has picked up balls in the batting cage. But the Marlins somehow have multiple players that don’t.

      Tino is a liar.

  6. clemente2 - Jul 31, 2013 at 7:32 PM

    Another example of why Craig is the best baseball blogger.

    • clemente2 - Jul 31, 2013 at 7:33 PM

      Before you say Joe wrote it, I know.

      • historiophiliac - Jul 31, 2013 at 7:48 PM

        Sly.

      • clemente2 - Jul 31, 2013 at 7:57 PM

        Thank you.

  7. nbjays - Jul 31, 2013 at 7:40 PM

    Nice post, Joe! I tend to be in agreement with you that the sense of entitlement that seems to permeate today’s younger generation bodes rather badly for the future. Not just ballplayers, but if anyone thinks they are too important, too entitled to “pick up the baseballs” in life, how much hard work, self-sacrifice, or plain old volunteer work do you think they’ll do to help anything but their own self-serving agendas?

  8. shea801 - Jul 31, 2013 at 7:45 PM

    “hittfamily” please don’t ever refer to any person over the age 18 as “being bullied”. They’re adults. They’re big boys who can handle their own business. They aren’t little kids being berated on a school bus, they’re apparently disobeying their boss, even if he just a hitting coach.

    Honestly, if your an adult and blubbering about being bullied, you’re a failure as an grown up. Instead, be an adult and take care of the issue at hand. Seriously, you’re not a child, so stop complaining like one.

    • historiophiliac - Jul 31, 2013 at 7:50 PM

      WTF is wrong with you? Adults can be bullied. Just because you’re over 18 doesn’t mean you should take being screamed at or pushed around. It doesn’t make you a man or a tough guy. It means you don’t value yourself enough to not put up with that shit.

      • ltzep75 - Jul 31, 2013 at 8:01 PM

        For the record, I believe Shea mentioned that “they’re big boys who can handle their own business.”

        This isn’t some form of machismo or anything, but, as I understood it, taking issue with the phrase “being bullied.” I don’t believe either the article or the players used such phrase.

        Also for the record, when my boss is verbally abusive, I don’t tell him he’s being a bully, I tell him he’s being an asshole (at which point I slink out of his office and pray I don’t get fired). I don’t think that makes me any more or less of a “success” as an adult or a man, but rather someone who doesn’t ex post facto complain about things or take shit during the process.

      • historiophiliac - Jul 31, 2013 at 8:04 PM

        If that’s the level of communication at your workplace, I urge you to get another job.

      • ltzep75 - Jul 31, 2013 at 8:06 PM

        Unfortunately, I practice law currently, and the last I checked, NBC wasn’t hiring any other baseball writers.

      • historiophiliac - Jul 31, 2013 at 8:14 PM

        There are other work environments.

      • hittfamily - Jul 31, 2013 at 8:09 PM

        Your boss ever grabbed you by the throat? Does your boss have an anti monopoly exemption guaranteeing that you will never work in the industry again if you do stand up for yourself?

        What’s up with the protect the abuser attitude around here? Did Florio’s crowd show up just for this story?

        A 23 year old in his first month in the MLB got choked by a has been who still thinks he’s the Yankees cleanup hitter. I feel bad for the abused, not the abuser.

      • dondada10 - Jul 31, 2013 at 8:22 PM

        I want to see the link where multiple players say Tino choke the player. Until then it’s hearsay.

        And the counterargument is that Tino tried to resign. That still doesn’t prove that he physically touched another person. It only suggests that he no longer wanted the position.

  9. hittfamily - Jul 31, 2013 at 8:23 PM

    Good bunch of fucking pricks you’ve attracted. A kid gets choked by his boss, his boss admits assaulting him, but has a reason. There fore the kid had it coming.

    Other things likely to be seen on this site:

    Manny’s bitch wife had it coming too.
    Brian Stowe shouldn’t have run his mouth.
    KRod’s ex GF was a cunt who had it coming.

    Hittfamily will be back in late September. I can’t take this group of shit eaters thas has overrun HBT.

    • yournuts - Jul 31, 2013 at 8:51 PM

      He didn’t grab him by the throat. He grabbed his jersey. CONFIRMED by eyewitnesses. Don’t let the truth stand in your way.

    • dondada10 - Jul 31, 2013 at 8:51 PM

      The 3rd person? Douche.

      • historiophiliac - Aug 1, 2013 at 12:11 AM

        I love that you don’t want to be the grammar police but that it gets the better of you sometimes anyway. he he

    • IdahoMariner - Jul 31, 2013 at 11:50 PM

      i think most of the commenters on this site – and the bloggers as well, while we are at it – are on record as being horrified/disgusted by the events of your three examples (and using your righteousness as an excuse to use that language ….well, I’m not going to resort to similar language just to make my point. but it doesn’t reflect well on your character). add to those examples miguel cabrera, milton bradley, and that sex offender pitcher the Ms traded to Texas who was with the Rays last I heard (i have blocked out his name, apparently), and you would be hard pressed to find among the regulars here anyone who would think what you suggest.

      Your fury was initially directed at someone who just wanted to hear the other side of the story before condemning wholesale a guy with a pretty decent reputation. Those other commenters might be jerks, but might just be reacting to your over the top reaction to someone who said he was reserving judgment. I don’t know them, so I don’t know.

      And I agree that if someone grabbed my shirt and shoved me and yelled at me to f-ing pick up the f-ing file folders in my office, or the f-ing grande coffee cups at a starbucks, or the f-ing fabric at a sweatshop…that’s behavior beyond the pale of what anyone should be expected to tolerate in a workplace. But professional sports is a weird place, man. You have the concept of “assumption of the risk”, that allows a jerk like Clemens to throw a broken bat at Piazza and not be charged with assault/battery, or that mega-jerk Cueto to spike a catcher and end his career. Football players are REQUIRED to slam each other around. There is stuff you can’t do, and there is a line, but it’s fuzzy in places. And Martinez is more like a colleague than a boss – the heart of your objection is the power the other person holds, and it seems pretty clear that Martinez didn’t hold a tremendous amount of power. Frankly, that might be part of what pissed him off. Anyway…what I am saying is this situation is not 100% clear, and in any case, isn’t your situation. I totally understand where you are coming from, because it does pervade your life, the fear and pain and humiliation of being bullied by colleagues or a superior. Bullies suck. I guess I am not yet convinced Martinez did what he is accused of…maybe tomorrow I will feel differently.

  10. yournuts - Jul 31, 2013 at 8:25 PM

    hittfamily, you’re a winer and a pussy. Tino Martinez has accomplished something in his life. The pussies and babies like you can never earn what he has earned. RESPECT.

    Constantino “Tino” Martinez (born December 7, 1967) is an American former professional baseball player. He played in Major League Baseball (MLB) for the Seattle Mariners, New York Yankees, St. Louis Cardinals, and Tampa Bay Devil Rays from 1990 through 2005. He also served as a hitting coach for the Miami Marlins in 2013.
    Formerly a third baseman and first baseman, Martinez was the first round draft pick for the Seattle Mariners in 1988 out of the University of Tampa where he starred during his time on campus. He began his Major League career in 1990 and played for the Mariners, New York Yankees, St. Louis Cardinals, and Tampa Bay Devil Rays, before rejoining the Yankees in the 2005 season. During his 16-year MLB career, he scored 1,008 runs, drove in 1,271 runs, and hit 339 home runs. He had 100 or more RBI in six different seasons and was twice named to the All-Star team.

    Martinez helped lead the New York Yankees to World Series championships in 1996, 1998, 1999, and 2000. He also won the Home Run Derby in 1997

    hittfamily, what did you ever accomplish beside being a pussy?

    • historiophiliac - Jul 31, 2013 at 8:31 PM

      I’m willing to bet Tino does not share in your vagina-hating.

      • benjisbigumpblockingbutt - Jul 31, 2013 at 8:53 PM

        me either /stares

    • eightyraw - Jul 31, 2013 at 8:37 PM

      I think hittfamily is a winner too!

      You know who is not a winner? A person who can’t spell and thinks it is appropriate to use the word “pussy” as a pejorative.

    • detroitfanatic - Jul 31, 2013 at 9:28 PM

      Learn how to spell you damn redneck.

    • IdahoMariner - Jul 31, 2013 at 11:54 PM

      I was going to call out yournuts for embodying the worst stereotypes of his gender and fandom (thereby unfairly tarnishing men and baseball fans, and even fans who think being a baseball player somehow makes you a better person than the rest of us).

      But I see the rest of you have this under control. Carry on.

  11. shea801 - Jul 31, 2013 at 8:40 PM

    To clarify, this isn’t about machismo. My ire is with a grown up ‘complaining’ about being bullied. We’ve ALL had abusive bosses (and calling him an asshole is a success story). And even though I disagree that these two knuckleheads wouldn’t pick up baseballs, they did what one should do with an abusive boss: they reported it, and made sure it ended.

    Alas, this is the internet, so whatever retort I give at this point is either wrong, insufficient, or stupid (more likely, all three). Anyway, lighten up, Francis. And go fuck yourself as well. Nancy.

    • Reflex - Jul 31, 2013 at 9:02 PM

      After being prompted I read the rest of this thread. Yes its idiotic. And so is this post. Adults can and often are bullied. Not everyone is type A, and not everyone is in a position to defend themselves when the consequences are their job and they have people depending on them. Or they just don’t have the personality to stand up to the abuser.

      There are some truly vicious people out there, and often you will find them in among your peers or management at work. Expecting everyone to be equally adept at defending themselves is naïve.

      When I was 16 my constantly yelling, verbally abusive manager finally took a swing at me. I almost fell over backwards getting out of range. Then I stood up and screamed in his face that he better never do that again. Oddly enough he did not fire me, although I did quit two months later(and he sent his wife to ask me to come back, which was sad as I always felt sorry for her). But that’s the thing, I was 16, and if he’d fired me so what. If I had a wife or kids dependent upon my income the equation would have been different. And prior to my yelling back, no one ever stood up to him and huge amounts of abuse were heaped upon them.

      • IdahoMariner - Jul 31, 2013 at 11:57 PM

        what reflex said, times ten.

  12. fearthehoody - Jul 31, 2013 at 8:49 PM

    World has gone soft!

  13. blacksables - Aug 1, 2013 at 4:40 AM

    Back in the day, in the mid-80’s, when I was in basic training at Fort Dix, we had a female drill sergeant who carried a swagger sticker every where she went. When we were low crawling, if someone had their ass too high in the air, she let them know it. Guess how? Taught us to get down low when crawling.

    I had a drill sergeant pick up my rifle and shove into my face so hard he bloodied my nose. It hurt physically, and hurt my pride.

    When I dropped it, sand got into the chamber. He explained to me that sand will prevent the weapon from working properly and doing stupid shit like that would get me killed, or worse yet, one of my buddies. From that day forward, I took excellent care of my equipment, to include any and all weapons. The lesson I was taught that day was one that would come back in real life a few years later.

    When the CO asked what I happened, I told him it was the recoil while firing. He knew differently, and gave me a chance to tell him what happened. I didn’t. I could have been a pussy and gave up the drill sergeant, who would have gotten into serious trouble. But I decided to man up and understand the lesson that was taught to me. The entire incident made me a better soldier, and a better person.

    *** note to histo — this is the way men are and the way we talk to each other. That’s life.

    I realize that not everyone has been in the military. That’s okay. Never everyone wants to, or has the ability to. But the lessons we learn better enable us to deal with life than any amount of time spent in college or as the fry guy (both of which I have done).

    Point is, Tino was the coach, there is an established process, and the players have yet to prove themselves where they are. They shouldn’t had to have been asked to pick up the balls. They should have done it because that’s what the players do. While I disagree with physical violence, I’m here to tell you that grabbing a jersey isn’t. The only thing hurt was the players pride, and if had done what he been asked to do by a person in authority, following a tradition of the game, then there would be no issues.

    I had a young soldier, who grew up rich and privileged, and didn’t feel he needed to do the things that soldiers do. He was lazy, disrespectful, and cheated at every opportunity. As I told him one day, he was a punk. He was born a punk, he was a punk yesterday, he was a punk today, he would be a punk tomorrow, and would continue to be one for the rest of his life. And that no one was going to give him anything in life, so he better start working for it.

    The next day he came down and apologized to me and many others, and became on of the best soldiers I had ever seen. He told me later that no one had ever spoken that way to him before, and sadly, no one had ever taken that much of an interest in his future before (I really didn’t, I was just pissed off). Said he appreciated me being honest and he would try better.

    In today’s world, if Tino grabbed the jersey, he was wrong, but he didn’t do anything but hurt the players pride. Who cares? The players are disrespectful little punks who need to grow up and learn what it’s like to live in the real world, where there is authority, and people are expected to be part of the team, and not privileged individuals.

    No harm, no foul.

  14. sportsfan18 - Aug 1, 2013 at 6:06 AM

    The Wussification of America continues…

    Can’t do this, can’t do that, can’t say this or little Johnny and Suzy will get their feelings hurt…

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