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Magglio Ordonez is running for mayor on the socialist ticket

Aug 6, 2013, 2:00 PM EST

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Magglio Ordonez has thrown his helmet in the ring:

Magglio Ordonez, a six-time Major League Baseball All-Star with the Chicago White Sox and Detroit Tigers, will run for mayor of a Venezuelan oil town in the socialist party of the late President Hugo Chavez.

“We invite our major leaguer, Magglio Ordonez, to hit a grand slam in Puerto La Cruz,” Chavez’s successor, President Nicolas Maduro, announced on state television yesterday.

I remember the stuff about Ordonez being a Chavez supporter. I want to say I also remember other Venezuelan ballplayers being irked at him over that, but maybe I’m imagining it.

  1. alang3131982 - Aug 6, 2013 at 2:07 PM

    So if he wins do the citizens get to split the $133,470,746 he made playing baseball?

    • lucimorland - Aug 6, 2013 at 5:14 PM

      Good to see you have no idea what socialism is.

      • alang3131982 - Aug 7, 2013 at 9:14 AM

        good to see you cant understand a joke on the internet.

  2. Old Gator - Aug 6, 2013 at 2:12 PM

    I think it’s wonderful that Ordonez never let his personal wealth blind him to the monstrous inequalities of exploitive economics in his homeland.

    However, I think it’s also unfortunate that his apparent clarity on the economic issues has been clouded by his loyalty to those, like Maduro and his henchmen, who have corrupted and usurped the egalitarian mission of socialism with a fascistic arrogance and paranoid demagoguery of their own.

    • yahmule - Aug 6, 2013 at 2:28 PM

      He should have run for mayor of one of those cities in Michigan that’s under the control of the “emergency financial manager” appointed by Governor Snyder. That would give him all the experience he needs in dealing with fascism and demagoguery. Plus, if he plays his cards right, a soccer stadium paid for almost entirely by state funds.

    • cohnjusack - Aug 6, 2013 at 2:32 PM

      think it’s also unfortunate that his apparent clarity on the economic issues has been clouded by his loyalty to those, like Maduro and his henchmen, who have corrupted and usurped the egalitarian mission of socialism with a fascistic arrogance and paranoid demagoguery of their own.

      Which I feel is inevitable in any socialistic nation. Not that socialism is bad in theory, but any nation that doesn’t diversify it’s power tends to end up with an authoritarian state. Be it power in the hands of the “free market” or a socialistic government. Almost without exception, someone with too much power decides that, dammit, I’m tired of all this dissent.

      In summary, I guess we should all just do whatever Sweden does.

      • heyblueyoustink - Aug 6, 2013 at 2:52 PM

        “Which I feel is inevitable in any socialistic nation. Not that socialism is bad in theory, but any nation that doesn’t diversify it’s power tends to end up with an authoritarian state”

        Exacta, you can’t trust humans in a system where power is exclusive. Ultimately it begins to corrupt.

      • Old Gator - Aug 6, 2013 at 3:55 PM

        It’s worked quite well in mixed market economies like Sweden, Israel, New Zealand, Britain, Canada. It’s failed in places like Argentina, Greece, Crete and Italy where overspending, deficit spending and poor money management has sabotaged it about as badly as the same shortcomings failed capitalism here (see: subprime mortgages), in France, Japan and other bastions of the so-called “free market.” There have been horrific economic collapses – and brutal concentrations of power – in capitalistic societies as well. Democratic socialism, I think, works rather better than undemocratic capitalism (see Russia, South Korea, and the former South African state).

        Genuine socialism simply means control of the major services and resources by the state for the benefit and welfare of all of its citizens, not just for a small percentage of its moneyed elite. It does not necessarily mean micromanagement or command management of the economy.

        And before anyone drags up Obamacare as an example of socialism, compared to Britain and other national health services, that’s an ignorant joke. Obamacare has made two enormous mistakes: depending on the “private sector” to provide primary insurance instead of establishing a UK-like single payer administration, and placing the cost burden of paying for a good chunk of it on small business, which was asinine and will prove hugely counterproductive before it finally gets turned back to individuals to use the system to cover themselves.

      • cohnjusack - Aug 6, 2013 at 4:24 PM

        Due to my high number of thumbs up for commenters on this board, I need to clarify: I am a flaming liberal and think the best example of well run governments are in Scandanavia, which is much more socialistic than the United States. When I said “socialistic government” I think I made it sound like “any government that has universal healthcare” or something. I should have flat out said “socialist countries…actual socialist countries”. Typically, these nation have strong social programs and a well regulated private sector.

        My point is, I don’t think you see many democratically socialist nations (meaning SOCIALIST THE ACTUAL MEANING OF THE WORD, not Socialist because there’s some welfare) because the inherent concentration of executive power eventually corrupts. I think it’s best to use working examples instead of striving for the ideal that has never existed.

        And yes…Obama care. You know, I think it sucks for the exact opposite reason most people criticize it. I think it’s weak kneed, panders to the existing health care industry and is a band aid solution to a severed limb. I don’t understand how we can have literally dozens of examples of nations with better, cheaper healthcare but utilizing a single-payer system and still say “Single payer!! Fuck you Communist!”

      • cohnjusack - Aug 6, 2013 at 4:26 PM

        Typically, these nation have strong social programs and a well regulated private sector

        …and by these nations, I’m referring to Scandanavia, not socialist countries. Me paragraph ordered good yes?

      • indaburg - Aug 6, 2013 at 5:03 PM

        Here, here, Old Gator. “Democratic socialism” is the key. Fascist states–be they capitalist or communist, tend to not work well. (And yes. Anyone who cites Obamacare as an example of socialism does not understand what the word socialism means. If Obamacare was socialist, I would actually like it.)

        I also agree with you, dyslexic john cusack. You can never go wrong by following Sweden’s lead. Instead of asking myself, WWJD, I ask myself, WWSD? (The Snot Sucker is the best parenting invention ever.)

    • motobus - Aug 6, 2013 at 2:37 PM

      Just as an interesting aside, have you ever seen Maduro’s signature? Its worth a look for a good laugh.

      • Old Gator - Aug 6, 2013 at 3:56 PM

        Maduro’s comments and speeches are much funnier than his signature.

        As long as you don’t live in Venezuela and aren’t subject to his incompetence.

    • Arods Other Doctor - Aug 6, 2013 at 3:20 PM

      Lol @ Gator. You just described socialism everywhere, including our own county. Yeah, inequity sucks as do many other unavoidable realities of life. But socialism has nowhere in the world decreased inequity. It has something to do with power being addictive and people generally sucking. In any case, every form of socialism so far practiced on any large (national) scale has failed so miserably that it’s pretty safe to say that the “egalitarian mission of socialism” is nothing more than a Utopian myth pushed on an ignorant public by those in a position to benefit from further concentrations of power through political means.

      • jwbiii - Aug 6, 2013 at 4:00 PM

        The ten countries with the most even distribution of family income are all countries that I think we would call somewhat socialist: Sweden, Slovenia, Montenegro, Hungary, Denmark, Norway, Luxembourg, Slovakia, Austria, and Finland.

        Source: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2172rank.html

      • Arods Other Doctor - Aug 7, 2013 at 6:09 PM

        Fyi “somewhat socialist” != a Socialist country. Every country you listed is founded on a capitalist model with social programs contributing to a limited redistribution of wealth. I’m really amazed how many people are confused by this.

      • Old Gator - Aug 6, 2013 at 4:06 PM

        On the contrary. If I’m a British citizen, for example, I don’t have to live in fear of having my entire world destroyed by usurious medical expenses because I can’t afford the absurdly padded costs of medication or hospitalization. I know that I will be cared for, and properly, and that I will have already paid for it on a day to day basis. I won’t be able to say that here until January 1 when, thanks to Obama, I will be able to say it. That strikes me as a pretty major reduction of inequality, and it’s just one example.

        I’ve been treated in the British system while I lived there – quite well, I might add – and am currently involved in overseeing my mother-in-law’s care in London too. She is also being taken care of quite well, and like many Americans covered by Medicare, she also has supplemental care coverage through private insurers. The point is, of course, that her basic needs have all been met already by the system. All the negative propaganda right wing whores for their pimps in the American pharmaceutical and health care industries have spread about it is just that – lies and misrepresentation. Ask any British politician how far they’d get if they tried to repeal NH and they’ll just avoid the subject. For all the bullshit, even Thatcher wouldn’t dare to try. For a system represented here as so inadequate, the British seem pretty fond of it. Wonder why.

        I would also note that when in Britain I’ve need to fill a prescription, I get charged a fraction of the cost for that prescription that I would have had to pay here. Obviously, pharmaceutical companies in “socialized” European systems make a profit selling the stuff for a lot less than it’s sold for here – and in a business tax environment that’s much less advantageous to them, too. If you haven’t figured out that big pharmaceuticals are ripping your guts out and laughing all the way to the bank, you’re just not paying attention.

      • Arods Other Doctor - Aug 7, 2013 at 6:00 PM

        You know that Britain is not defined by socialism right? They have some socialist programs (which they have begun to de-fund now), but it’s not a socialist country.

        Also, I’m just curious, why do rich citizens of the U.K. come to the U.S. for the most advanced medical treatments? Is that the sort of egalitarianism you and the president you voted for are after? That’s less equality, not more.

      • cohnjusack - Aug 6, 2013 at 4:28 PM

        If you’re referring to say…the Soviet Union, I whole heartedly agree.

        If you’re referring to Norway or Germany as socialist countries, the opposite is true.

      • Arods Other Doctor - Aug 7, 2013 at 6:05 PM

        People confuse countries with social programs with socialist countries. Every country has some degree of “socialism” when defined so loosely. What makes a country truly socialist is when the function of capital markets is subservient to Socialist agenda. Both Norway and Germany are absolutely horrible parallels to the kind of real Socialism found in Venezuela, Cuba, China, etc.

    • Gamera the Brave - Aug 7, 2013 at 12:46 AM

      Gator, your post made me laugh out loud – which startled the hell out of my dog…
      Not because of anything you said specifically, but because of the 42 thumbs-down, which were almost certainly because they had no idea what the f*ck you were saying.

      Rogets’ Thesaurus – learn it, know it, LIVE it!

  3. barrywhererufrom - Aug 6, 2013 at 2:20 PM

    Just what the world needs another socialist..we have are own.here and they fail miserably

    • philsieg - Aug 6, 2013 at 2:27 PM

      Like how you fail miserably at grammar, punctuation and spelling?

      • barrywhererufrom - Aug 6, 2013 at 3:21 PM

        just like you failed at life pal..you like socialism? the morons on here that defend socialism..no wonder we are screwed as a nation..I fear for our present and future. And let me know when you are going to donate 60% of your salary..

      • Old Gator - Aug 6, 2013 at 4:09 PM

        Pulling numbers out of your ass again, poor dimwitted Barry? Well, I guess it can’t be any dumber than what comes out of your mouth.

      • cohnjusack - Aug 6, 2013 at 4:29 PM

        Hey Barry,

        You know what countries was A LOT more socialist than America today?

        America 10 years ago
        America 20 years ago
        America 30 years ago
        etc….

        So, how’s that working out for us?

    • cohnjusack - Aug 6, 2013 at 4:32 PM

      Hey Barry:

      Here’s a fun chart for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2008_Top1percentUSA.png

      I wonder what happened in 1980….

      (my apologies if the img tag doesn’t work in comments. Sadly, there is no preview option)

      • cohnjusack - Aug 6, 2013 at 4:33 PM

        Spoiled alert! It will not allow you to insert images. BUT, it also doesn’t show your HTML tags, so I guess that’s okay. Good to know.

  4. barrywhererufrom - Aug 6, 2013 at 2:21 PM

    I wonder if this is why ozzie guillen hated him…if so ozzie just went up a few notches for me

    • 18thstreet - Aug 6, 2013 at 2:45 PM

      The same Ozzie Guillen who got in trouble for complimenting Fidel Castro, you mean?

      My lord, you’re an idiot.

      • Craig Calcaterra - Aug 6, 2013 at 2:56 PM

        Ozzie was highly critical of Chavez.

      • 18thstreet - Aug 6, 2013 at 3:24 PM

        Dammit, I have to retract my comment.

        Barry’s still an idiot.

      • barrywhererufrom - Aug 6, 2013 at 3:48 PM

        looks like the great echo chamber actually had a moment of clarity. This is why I don’t get offended when people like yourself call me names. Most of the time you are wrong so who really cares what you think..

      • Old Gator - Aug 6, 2013 at 4:11 PM

        About your being an idiot? No, he wasn’t wrong about that. I suspect that even if he agreed with you, he’d still realize that the areas of agreement were merely coincidental without losing sight of what a drooling moron you are.

      • unclemosesgreen - Aug 6, 2013 at 5:47 PM

        Ozzie was highly critical of Chavez and highly complimentary of Dustin Pedroia.

        Then again, he complemented Fidel and OG hates him.

        Guess that’s a wash.

  5. heyblueyoustink - Aug 6, 2013 at 2:25 PM

    Takes the American Money he earns and becomes a Socialist in his own country.

    Seems legit.

    • motobus - Aug 6, 2013 at 2:38 PM

      Emphasis: he earns

  6. aceshigh11 - Aug 6, 2013 at 2:32 PM

    Just call him Magglio Hussein Ordonez.

    • bravojawja - Aug 6, 2013 at 2:37 PM

      Saddam Hussein was a socialist?

      • motobus - Aug 6, 2013 at 2:39 PM

        Always thought he was a Green Party member.

      • aceshigh11 - Aug 6, 2013 at 2:47 PM

        Just taking a dig at the mentally-ill ‘baggers who think the banker-friendly, centrist, corporation-coddling, Clintonian Obama is actually a liberal, let alone a socialist.

      • barrywhererufrom - Aug 6, 2013 at 3:17 PM

        No Barack Hussein Obama is..

      • Old Gator - Aug 6, 2013 at 4:12 PM

        Ah, see? Having just been cleared of being an idiot on one issue, you’ve rejoined the conversation in time to reaffirm your idiocy on another issue. You may not be very bright or articulate, but we cannot gainsay the speed with which you fuck up again.

      • cohnjusack - Aug 6, 2013 at 4:35 PM

        No Barack Hussein Obama is..

        Yeah, that’s not even close. He’s less liberal than Roosevelt, Kennedy, LBJ, Carter….hell, he’s spent faaaar less on social programs than Nixon, Reagan and Bush I.

  7. sandrafluke2012 - Aug 6, 2013 at 2:51 PM

    SOcialism is for the people, not for the socialists.

    • largebill - Aug 6, 2013 at 3:19 PM

      That is how it is sold, not how it operates.

  8. buffal0sportsfan - Aug 6, 2013 at 2:52 PM

    I’m going to march up and down the white house lawn in my magglio jersey if he wins.

    • Old Gator - Aug 6, 2013 at 4:14 PM

      I’m gonna march up and down the county line / take you to the leader of a band….

      Robert Hunter/Jerry Garcia

      • unclemosesgreen - Aug 6, 2013 at 5:01 PM

        goodbye mama & papa – goodbye jack & jill

  9. Francisco (FC) - Aug 6, 2013 at 3:18 PM

    Magglio Ordonez is running for mayor on the socialist ticket

    If there was ever an appropriate time to quote Inigo Montoya in response to Ordonez, Maduro et al it’s now:

    “Socialist. You keep saying that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”

    • Old Gator - Aug 6, 2013 at 3:43 PM

      It certainly doesn’t mean what poor dim semiliterate Barry thinks it means – but then, just about nothing means what Barry thinks it means. That comes from being very, very stupid.

      • indaburg - Aug 6, 2013 at 5:08 PM

        The acoustics in barry’s empty echo chamber of a brain must be excellent.

      • tigersfandan - Aug 6, 2013 at 7:18 PM

        Give it a rest, Gator. Our country would be far less messed-up if people didn’t regard others as mentally ill simply because they hold to a different political philosophy.

      • Reflex - Aug 6, 2013 at 8:40 PM

        I would agree if barry’s political philosophy wasn’t blind hatred and insanity. There is no philosophy there, just a lot of hating. His name says it all, and his statements back it up.

        I respect plenty of people I know who are Greens, Libertarians, ideologically consistent Republicans(they exist, and they are disappointed in the party), etc. I also disagree with the politics of many Democrats. But the Ron Paul and Tea Party crowd are inconsistent conspiracy theorists with some sort of strange hatred of the most classical conservative president we have had in generations.

      • Old Gator - Aug 6, 2013 at 8:41 PM

        Relax. There are functionally intelligent conservatives on here with whom I can hold civil discussions and get along fine. I never said Barry was mentally ill. I said he is stupid. And he would still be stupid if he were right, left, center or an anarchist.

  10. claymatthewshairplugs - Aug 6, 2013 at 3:46 PM

    To quote Ozzie Guillen:

    “Magglio is another one of those Venezuelan pieces of chit! I don’t got no problem wit him but he if he want a problem wit me he gon have some F*^%$n problems!”

  11. yohannbiimu - Aug 6, 2013 at 7:13 PM

    If Ordonez wins, I have no doubts that Puerto La Cruz’s residents will be hunter/gathering in no-time. All hail the Cesar Chavez revolution…whoo-whoo…

    • Old Gator - Aug 6, 2013 at 8:43 PM

      Hugo Chavez, O second coming of John Kenneth Galbraith.

    • jwbiii - Aug 6, 2013 at 8:56 PM

      Puerto La Cruz is the home to one of the largest oil refineries in Venezuela. It is also the exit port to another large refinery, located 50 km/30 mi inland. I don’t think they’ll be hunter/gatherers until the world’s demand for petroleum decreases significantly.

      With the internet, it’s really easy to avoid making idiotic comments. Of course, it’s always easier just to make idiotic comments.

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