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Michael Weiner: what Selig did with A-Rod was “inappropriate and almost ridiculous”

Aug 6, 2013, 12:31 PM EDT

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The head of the players union called into the Dan Patrick Show and talked about the 211-game suspension of Alex Rodriguez, saying he felt what Bud Selig did was “inappropriate and almost ridiculous.” He went on to say that he had hoped that the two sides would have worked things out.

But that didn’t happen, of course. And this just further underscores the notion that the basis of the appeal is going to be a defense focusing on the proportionality of the discipline, not the culpability of the player. At least not primarily.

 

  1. cur68 - Aug 6, 2013 at 12:36 PM

    What Bud Selig did to his own hair is inappropriate and almost ridiculous. I mean, jeez Bud! You damn near older than dirt, why the bleach job?

    • jfk69 - Aug 6, 2013 at 1:12 PM

      His hand gesticulations look eerily like Bush Jr’s

      • Old Gator - Aug 6, 2013 at 1:17 PM

        Bush Jr. is a friend of his. My grandmother always used to tell me that you judge someone by the kinds of enemies that they make. In this sense, I suppose, Bud Light has been a fortunate man.

      • jfk69 - Aug 6, 2013 at 1:40 PM

        gator..I know that. The 300 million the owners paid for the collusion scandal orchestrated by Selig and Jerry M. Reinsdorf might be considered one of the reasons Bush Jr had to go out and get a real job. Just saying

      • Old Gator - Aug 6, 2013 at 2:14 PM

        jfk69: yeah, but I have to demur a little at the thought that being Dick Cheney’s bitch for eight years amounted to “a real job.”

  2. flamethrower101 - Aug 6, 2013 at 12:37 PM

    There goes the labor peace. No matter which way this goes – whether the suspension is upheld, vacated, or the arbitrator reduces it to a number he thinks is fair (which he is allowed to do because this is based on “non-analytic positives”) – There is going to be lingering tension between MLB, MLBPA, and A-Rod’s camp.

    • fanofevilempire - Aug 6, 2013 at 12:57 PM

      There is going to be lingering tension between MLB, MLBPA, and A-Rod’s camp

      ah. yeah, that boat sailed last week. Alex, blasted those sons of bi-atches last Saturday!

    • bigharold - Aug 6, 2013 at 1:07 PM

      Add to that the talk, leaked through MLB surrogates at the NY Daily News and Post, of owners want to void contracts, .. Selig completely mismanaged this entire episode.

      Had MLB been reasonable inasmuch as sticking to the JDA they could have put this behind them and properly punished A-Rod and the others. And, they likely could have gotten something done along the lines of giving the team the right to opt of of a long term contract for a PED violation. But, no they had go get mid evil, .by pursuing A-Rod the way they did they gave the union no option but to defend A-Rod. And, they’ve harden the unions position.

      And, remember, for all the talk about testing and one strike, two strikes whatever, … these guys didn’t fail a test. Porter Fischer got stiffed be Anthony Bosch on a $4K debt, stole files and gave the to a paper in Miami. MLB’s testing didn’t catch these guys, .. their “investigation” amounted tot hem reading the paper and usurping the civil court system to coerce Bosch to cooperate. MLB needs the unions cooperation, .. and now they’re far less likely top get it.

      MLB, .. once again, ..snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

      • tedwmoore - Aug 6, 2013 at 1:41 PM

        Yesterday I was left wondering if this was not a PR ploy by Selig, a chance to isolate A-Rod as uniquely unlikeable and indefensible, use an outsized suspension to force an appeal backed by the player’s union, and then use the “froth-at-the-mouth we hate A-Rod” sentiment, in both the press and the fan base, as a hammer to pound the player’s union with come next CBA negotiations. This struck me most forcefully when reading Selig’s statement, the part in which he expressed a hope/desire to work with the player’s union to strengthen current testing policy, as well as disciplinary actions.

        But, you make a good point, perhaps Selig has miscalculated the PR gains to be made from isolating A-Rod and forcing the union to back his appeal. Maybe a reduction of the suspension during arbitration will undermine his position rather than strengthen it. And maybe his tactics will hamper his ability to negotiate further concessions from the players.

        I don’t know how to handicap this. I know where my sentiment lies, but I am interested to see how this plays out for Selig and MLB. Procedural high jackings tend to hurt your position, but certainly not always.

      • jfk69 - Aug 6, 2013 at 1:45 PM

        Don’t forget the no leak policy they negotiated. LOL
        The Lords of baseball meant to say, You can’t say anything. That does not apply to us. Please show the reporter our broken paper shredder.Then close the door behind you.

      • flamethrower101 - Aug 6, 2013 at 2:30 PM

        I’ve said all along that I think Selig is taking a “Screw it! I’m retiring after next year. The next guy can clean up my mess.” stance. Of course I was joking but the longer this goes on, the more I start believing that it may actually be true.

        Bug Selig – f-ing up baseball since the 1992.

      • nbjays - Aug 6, 2013 at 7:16 PM

        “… a chance to isolate A-Rod as uniquely unlikeable and indefensible…”

        A-Rod isn’t unique, as Smug Bud has also become very unlikeable and indefensible.

  3. heyblueyoustink - Aug 6, 2013 at 12:48 PM

    Baseball’s gone plaid.

    • cur68 - Aug 6, 2013 at 12:55 PM

      By the way, blue: CBP was excellent. The food was good, the people were lovely, the Phans tolerant and funny. What’s more, the park itself was outstanding. Great sight lines, lovely ambiance, and easy to get around in. I had a phantastic time. I schlepped those batteries and vomit-proofs for nothing.

      The only complaint I have is the name. Citizen’s Bank Park? Really? How completely soulless and uninspiring. It would be better off named “Lenny Dykstra Stadium”.

      • Kevin S. - Aug 6, 2013 at 2:17 PM

        Did you get a chance to sample a porkroll, egg and cheese?

      • cur68 - Aug 6, 2013 at 5:04 PM

        No. I did not. This is because I have SOME regard for my life and continued good health. I did watch in awe as Jonny5 ate a “schnitter” though. He seemed to enjoy it. However, he is more machine than man, so perhaps its ok for him.

      • Kevin S. - Aug 6, 2013 at 5:20 PM

        Cur, if you can’t enjoy life’s greatest pleasures, then that life just may not be worth living.

      • cur68 - Aug 6, 2013 at 5:21 PM

        If I eat like that my dick wont work. Because I’ll be dead. I want my dick to work. That’s why I don’t eat like that.

      • nbjays - Aug 6, 2013 at 7:19 PM

        “It would be better off named “Lenny Dykstra Stadium”.”

        I sort of prefer “John Kruk’s Ball… Park” :-)

  4. fanofevilempire - Aug 6, 2013 at 12:55 PM

    Bud is worried about his Legacy not baseball, Bud is disgusting person and a liar, yes, the behavior by Bud, MLB and the Yankees have been despicable conspiring with a felon to take down a few players is really ridiculous, their behavior is the same as when George Steinbrenner was suspended from baseball for nothing worst then what they have displayed here and I hope the arbitrator reduces the amount of games A-Rod is suspended and make Bud look like a foolish senile old man.

    • flamethrower101 - Aug 6, 2013 at 1:03 PM

      Yes, just like when they “vehemently” disagreed with Shyam Das when he overturned Braun’s suspension. Now maybe they were right to disagree but the way they said it – plus how they fired him afterwards – comes off as them being big babies whenever they don’t get their way.

      Is there any possibility as to how this could end well? I can’t think of anything.

      • nbjays - Aug 6, 2013 at 7:23 PM

        How about this scenario:

        A-Rod appeals.
        Appeal goes to arbitrator.
        Arbitrator rules completely against MLB and overturns the suspension.
        Bud Selig has a coronary.
        Someone not beholden to the owners becomes commissioner, someone smart and good for the game.
        BONUS: The Yankees get to pay A-Rod every cent owed to him and he retires with 659 HR.

        Hey, a guy can dream can’t he?

  5. thebadguyswon - Aug 6, 2013 at 12:58 PM

    If you set aside any bad feelings towards Arod’s many egomaniacal tendencies, anyone can see Selig was way out of line with this joke of a suspension.

  6. rick2248 - Aug 6, 2013 at 1:03 PM

    Bud Selig is a scumbag who should be ban for life did more bad for the game then good looked the other way for what 15 or 16 years while MLB made MILLIONS. You tell Me who the real SCUMBAG is HERE.

    • Old Gator - Aug 6, 2013 at 1:19 PM

      I suspect that if you threw them against the wall, they would both stick to it.

  7. motobus - Aug 6, 2013 at 1:03 PM

    I don’t see how this suspension doesn’t get reduced to 50 games or is thrown out completely as it was filed as a violation of the MLBJDA as opposed to the “best interest of baseball” clause.

    I don’t doubt that there is a preponderance of evidence against him (there is), but the MLB is going to have a huge headache on their hands. They will first have to show that they did not diverge from the process outlined in the MLBJDA (they clearly did), and then they have to demonstrate how this punishment will ostensibly serve as a first and second offense for drug use and then a procedural obstruction offense concurrently.

    I think ultimately the MLB will be able to show their procedural divergence was necessary but they’ll be unable to uphold anything more than a first offense (50 game suspension).

    • scoutsaysweitersisabust - Aug 6, 2013 at 1:13 PM

      Not to mention the fact that they basically pulled the 211 game suspension number out of a hat. I’ve been trying in vein for two days to find a clause which reads “If you hinder an investigation, or lie to the Commissioner, they can suspend you for how the hell long ever they feel like.”

    • chadjones27 - Aug 6, 2013 at 1:26 PM

      I doubt he’ll get only 50 games, since Ryan Braun accepted a 65 game ban. That’ll be the starting point. Anything more than 100 is an atrocity… unless, of course, they really do have all this evidence of evil doings. But, we won’t know that till it’s released.

      • motobus - Aug 6, 2013 at 1:45 PM

        Yeah, good point. The only issue that I see with using the Braun settlement as precedent is that Braun had a previous positive test (albeit dismissed) to use as a basis for a first offense.

      • tedwmoore - Aug 6, 2013 at 1:46 PM

        I doubt Braun’s settlement will affect A-Rod’s case. I also doubt A-Rod gets just 50, only because I expect that the arbitrator will not want to completely give MLB the finger. Selig’s position is not without merit – the length of suspension is almost certainly arbitrary, at least in the sense that it is untethered to the facts of the case – but his argument for a greater-than-50-game suspension is not without support.

    • flamethrower101 - Aug 6, 2013 at 2:40 PM

      Or they can go the bitchy route and say to the arbitrator “You pick anything less than 211 and you can join Shaym Das on the unemployment line.”

      • nbjays - Aug 6, 2013 at 7:26 PM

        If I’m that arbitrator, I issue my decision in a terse 5-word document.

        “Suspension overturned. Screw you Bud.”

  8. mvp43 - Aug 6, 2013 at 1:04 PM

    Oh please. A-Roid should be happy with 211 games…. I would’ve banned the bastard for life. His entire career is fake. I don’t believe the guy has played a roid free game. Plus, all the obstruction of justice?
    That news conference confirmed to me that he thinks we’re all idiots.

  9. mmason0071 - Aug 6, 2013 at 1:07 PM

    Why don’t we step back and take a second look at this whole PED thing? What is wrong with them? Baseball was a lot of fun during the juicing era and if these highly paid professionals want to take the risk, let them. Bonds, Clemons and the rest haven’t dropped dead or grown third arms,so the long term effects are probably much less important than the brain damage every pro football player is suffering.

  10. jfk69 - Aug 6, 2013 at 1:08 PM

    THIS BUDS FOR YOU
    The curse of the Montreal franchise comes back to haunt Selig.
    See what happens Bud when you can’t conspire and collude with your owner buddies. You make really stupid decisions. Of course if you get really upset at some players. Just cancel the World Series; The fans will have your back.

  11. jfk69 - Aug 6, 2013 at 1:09 PM

    MARVIN MILLER WINS AGAIN IN A BLOWOUT

  12. scoutsaysweitersisabust - Aug 6, 2013 at 1:09 PM

    It really makes me nauseous that I’ve been making the union’s point for them the past two days, and often more effectively; if I do say so myself.

    People seem to forget there are four considerations in any decision to be made revolving the sport. What’s good for the Owners? What’s good for the players? What’s good for the sport of Baseball? and, What’s good for the fans? Often the last two go hand in hand, and occasionally, but rarely, 3 or even 4 will all meet up at the same point.

    Bud Selig works for the owners, not the sport, not the fans, and CERTAINLY not the players. This decision was made purely on what’s best for the owners. Curry favor with the fans, vilify an already hated player, and make approximately 30 million dollars all in one fell swoop? Check please!

    Seems to me, the fans need to unionize and properly demand that our needs be addressed. Instant Replay, Umpire Grading and Discipline, All-Star game, Home field advantage, DH rule, Imbalanced Schedule, Drugs/PED/Greenies/Steroids, Player off field behavior (Re: DUI), Homerun Derby, Free Agency rules, competitive imbalance, 8 dollar f@$#ing beers, ticket surcharges, and the list goes on and on. Who’s with me!?

    • jfk69 - Aug 6, 2013 at 1:32 PM

      MLB attendance up. Fans come in droves to boo and vilify Arod. Selig with a Cheshire cat grin licks it up. Secretly hopes Arod Yankees make playoffs as world coverage becomes reality.
      MY SOURCE
      His gardener possibly one of the Brewers groundskeepers. Heard a screaming voice he believed to be Seligs coming from an upper bedroom ranting. Screw Pro football as well. I am the light and all that is good in baseball is from me!

  13. oldskimmy26 - Aug 6, 2013 at 1:12 PM

    Has anyone considered that maybe MLB has evidence of three violations of the JDA by A-Rod?

    If that’s the case, then 211 games would be much better than the lifetime ban A-Rod could get, right?

    I know it seems like MLB is tearing up the JDA and throwing the book at A-Rod, but it’s entirely possible that they’re giving A-Rod a break by not asking for a lifetime ban.

    • jarathen - Aug 6, 2013 at 1:19 PM

      Fans don’t need to unionize so much as they need to vote in the way we can, which is not to stack the All-Star Game but rather not attend or watch games.

    • chadjones27 - Aug 6, 2013 at 1:35 PM

      I believe the JDA, Section 7.K states that a player who tests positive for multiple substances will receive the larger punishment of any of those substances individually. (meaning, if 1 substance is 25 days and another is 50 days, he’ll get 50 days, not 75)
      But, this also relates to actually testing positive for it. And since this is a FIRST offense for anything i don’t see how a life time ban is in order. His actions haven’t affected the outcome of games like gambling, or throwing games, or trading insider info about players injuries, or pitcher’s signs.

    • motobus - Aug 6, 2013 at 1:36 PM

      They will have trouble arguing that use over multiple years is the same as multiple violations. There is no precedent for this.

      For example, lets say Player A has been using steroids for 3 years and has now just tested positive for elevated testosterone levels during a random drug test. He is punished for 50 games regardless of his past use.

      Now I don’t doubt that the MLB has evidence that A-Rod has been using steroids/HGH for a long period of time, I just highly doubt that they’ll be able to successfully argue that this translates to multiple offenses under the MLBJDA.

      • oldskimmy26 - Aug 6, 2013 at 2:31 PM

        That’s because the positive test only indicates that the player used steroids 1 time.

        Now, if I have a video of a player injecting the same substatnce 15 different times, is it really your contention that he should only be punished as if he injected it once?

        Each time he uses PED’s it’s a violation, assuming that there is evidence to support it.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Aug 6, 2013 at 3:14 PM

        Not necessarily. Because the tests involve a range for a substance, to ensure that those with higher levels of testosterone aren’t given false positives, it’d be almost impossible to fail on just one use. One use also makes zero sense considering these substances need to be in your body for a while to achieve any benefit.

    • js20011041 - Aug 6, 2013 at 1:37 PM

      Because the absurdity of giving multiple punishments for being caught once readily becomes apparent when you think about it. What if a player fails a drug test for the first time and admits to using PEDs for the prior six months? They surely will have taken more than one dose of PEDs. Why not ban them the for life at that point?

      • oldskimmy26 - Aug 6, 2013 at 2:44 PM

        It’s not ridiculous at all.

        Imagine I go out and rob 4 liquor stores today. The police catch me at the 4th store but also get evidence that I robbed the other 3.

        Would you charge me with 1 count of robbery or 4?

      • js20011041 - Aug 6, 2013 at 3:57 PM

        If the CBA spelled out punishments for each specific use of PEDs, then you could probably argue that. But it doesn’t. A positive drug test counts as one use, regardless of how many specific doses of that PED the player actually used. This case should be no different.

      • oldskimmy26 - Aug 6, 2013 at 4:29 PM

        A positive test counts as 1 use because it only indicates 1 use. WE can theorize that the player used more than once, but the test only proves 1 violation.

        Also, don’t forget, we’re not dealign with a positive test here. We’re dealing with other types of evidence that CAN show more than 1 use.

        Look, all I’m saying is that MLB’s case before the arbitrator isn’t as ridiculous as everyone here seems to think.

        And if Shyam Das can let Ryan Braun go unpunished for a positive test whose sceintific results were never questioned, then this arbitrator could easily let MLB punish A-Rod for multiple uses.

  14. granadafan - Aug 6, 2013 at 1:14 PM

    MLB should lay out the evidence for everyone to see so they can shut up the ARoid fanboys. MLB should rip up the initial 211 game suspension based on ARod’s continued fight and push for even harsher penalties like a lifetime ban. Give him the Lance Armstrong treatment due to his douchiness.

    • js20011041 - Aug 6, 2013 at 1:27 PM

      The mouthbreathers are out in force again. Please point to the clause in the CBA where the commissioner has free reign to arbitrarily determine a punishment due to “douchiness.” Whether anyone likes A-Rod or not has precisely dick to do with how he is punished under the CBA.

      • nbjays - Aug 6, 2013 at 7:31 PM

        Not to mention the fact that, if douchiness is grounds for a lifetime ban, there will be a huge demand for replacement players all over MLB, starting immediately.

  15. sabatimus - Aug 6, 2013 at 1:28 PM

    Inappropriate and DEFINITELY ridiculous is how I’d describe Arod, so I have no problem with the suspension.

  16. jfk69 - Aug 6, 2013 at 1:53 PM

    Didn’t I catch you speeding last week. I only gave you warning. Hmm..Looks like your speeding again I say 100 miles an hour and obstructing my investigation of this incident with excuses and lies. Also reckless driving for good measure. Hmm. I smell alcohol as well. Now turn around while I cuff you. But officer,,Shhhh..Your Miranda Rights .You will get your day in court.

  17. tcostant - Aug 6, 2013 at 2:01 PM

    He is clearly talking about the MASN deal…

  18. steelcitywhitty - Aug 6, 2013 at 2:17 PM

    What if the punishment is two fold? 50 for PED and 162 for actively impeding the investigation by attempting to buy the evidence? Does that violate the CBA or the MLBJDA?

  19. bgrillz - Aug 6, 2013 at 2:31 PM

    I don’t see an issue with it. But I can see why the MLBPA has to fight it. Let’s wait for the evidence to come out before we start saying it’s ridiculous. The others were first time offenders, and had never had any prior link. Yes, Arod admitted to using before it was illegal (in baseball). The extra time is for the investigation lies, and a he should have known better.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Aug 6, 2013 at 3:16 PM

      Everyone has lied. Braun lied as soon as the reports of Biogenesis came out and he said it was due to payments for services rendered (for his appeal). We’re also most likely not going to see the evidence because neither MLB nor the MLBPA is required to provide it, and the hearings are confidential.

  20. yizudien - Aug 6, 2013 at 4:40 PM

    Hello,

    I agree with voiding of contracts and on top of that signing bonus pay back for the percentage of the contract that you missed. I listed to Mr. Weiner’s statements and they are just… so ridiculously bad. So if a player goes out and kills somebody, or commits any serious crime he would be against voiding the contract if there wasn’t a statement in there covering the team from such an act? How he has a job is beyond me, he certainly isnt representing the majority.

    The Union has to pull their head out of their butts are realize the amount of money and time invested by the owners of this team means something. In the case of A-Rod, the owners could have brought in more natural talent, instead of what they have. Now thanks to the protection of the union, they have a guy with two hip surgeries who has been jucin for quite sometime; his attrition will more than likely be quite significant if he can stay clean.

    When you start getting yourself banned at the professional level for violations like this there is no excuse. We treat these people like they couldn’t have known better, and that simply isnt the case. These are not kids, they are fully grown adults. Each and everyone one of these idiots knew what they were doing, and decided to ignore the rules. They also set a bar that is insanely high for people coming into the league, making using PEDs the only way to move up. There will always be someone smart enough to synthesize a new drug that fools tests for a bit. How is it most sports have figured that out except in the US? No tolerance penalties are the only true way to get rid of PEDs (even then you will have some push the envelope).

    A-rod should be booted from the league, same with the other 15. Instead we slap them on the wrists (some are hurt or teams are having a bad year so a 50 game break is a welcome) and they still get paid for the season after. Also the ends justified the means, their previous performance has gotten them the big contract, they are not making the league minimum.

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