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David Ortiz still doesn’t know why he tested positive for PEDs in 2003

Aug 7, 2013, 8:23 AM EDT

David Ortiz AP

David Ortiz was one of the hundred or so ballplayers who tested positive for PEDs during the 2003 survey testing which was designed to determine whether or not baseball’s drug problem was significant enough to warrant full-blown testing the following year.  His and everyone else’s name was supposed to remain confidential, but his, Alex Rodriguez and Sammy Sosa’s names were leaked.

At the time his name was leaked, Ortiz said a lot of things about how surprised he was and how he wanted to get to the bottom of it all. Most took this as a deflection and didn’t buy Ortiz’s confusion as genuine. He got busted, most figured, and now he’s acting surprised. How rich.

Well, he’s still surprised about it and is still wondering. From WEEI:

“No. Nobody. Not MLB. Not the Players Association. Nobody,” said Ortiz when asked if anyone had revealed what he had reportedly tested positive for. “They just threw it out there that I tested positive on this one list and that was it. Nothing. So I have to deal with that, and your mind is all over the place. And I’ve lived with it … It is something that is still in the dark because nobody ever had the [guts] to come to me and say, ‘This is what was happening.’ You damaged my image at the time, and it has always stayed like that. No explanation. No nothing.”

Take that for what it’s worth. But ask yourself why Ortiz — along with Andy Pettitte and many others who have had PED associations — don’t get one-tenth the crap thrown on them that Alex Rodriguez does.

And no, this is not a call to throw crap on Ortiz and Pettitte.

  1. Jack Marshall - Aug 7, 2013 at 8:31 AM

    Because there’s less than one-tenth the evidence, including circumstantial evidence, that Ortiz knowingly used PED’s? Because ten years of watching him suggest that he’s a stand-up guy of integrity and character? Is that supposed to be a difficult question?

    • southofheaven81 - Aug 7, 2013 at 8:42 AM

      Look at him smash that phone. With integritah, with character, with grit n’ guts n’ can-do spirit, not like that phony A-Rod (more like A-FRAUD, amiritebro?!?!).

      • jarathen - Aug 7, 2013 at 8:52 AM

        Don’t forget his incredible Will to Win.

      • Glenn - Aug 7, 2013 at 10:24 AM

        That’s grit breaking up that phone.

      • jimmyd6559 - Aug 7, 2013 at 10:50 AM

        Ortiz tested positive ……..because he was using PEDS . Or does anyone think it was slipped in his oatmeal ? He should just keep his mouth shut , that he isn’t on that list of suspensions ….YET .
        Oh wait ! Maybe Selig’s afraid Ortiz will bust up his office with a baseball bat . Truth is Biogenesis isn’t the only place PEDS can be had , and if everyone were to be tested right now , you’d find over 50% or more of players are taking them . It starts in H.S. and goes right up the ladder , and it’s been going on for well over 15 years . These present suspensions are just a dog and pony show .MLB knows it’s far worse , but there’s too much money involved to get dead serious . LOL…you might not have a 2014 Season if they did .

      • psuorioles - Aug 7, 2013 at 12:04 PM

        This is fabulous… being an O’s fan I attended the O’s/Sox game the day after this news broke and it disgusted me that Ortiz received a standing ovation from the Sox fans… who were the same fans that has signs about A-Roid. The Red Sox fans disgust me…

      • drewzducks - Aug 7, 2013 at 12:45 PM

        Am I right to understand that a PSU fan is disgusted by a probable PED user ? So don’t root for a player who took an illegal, in MLB standards, substance, instead root for a team that basically sanctioned and condoned child rape for decades. Way to get your priorities straight PSUOrioles fan.

      • johndenatale - Aug 7, 2013 at 3:32 PM

        He’s got to be kidding, if he thinks anyone believes he hasn’t been taking steroids. Oh wait, one person does, he’s name is bud selig. What a joke. There isn’t one red sox on the list.

    • cdeangelus - Aug 7, 2013 at 9:02 AM

      If you’ve watched Ortiz for 10 years, you would know he is *not* a man of character and integrity. He’s a selfish, whining, fair weather player. When things aren’t going well, Ortiz is the first to start throwing blame around at his teammates. Remember when he interrupted that press conference because he didn’t get credit for 1 RBI?

      Please, people say he’s a stand up guy ‘cuz he rakes. He’s a prima donna slugger. Always has been and always will be.

      • Glenn - Aug 7, 2013 at 10:28 AM

        To be completely fair to Ortiz on the RBI thing, Pedroia completely pranked him. He told Ortiz that John Henry lobbied the scorer to have the RBI taken away to keep his stats down so that he wouldn’t have to pay him as much the following year. Ortiz was pretty sensitive about having to scramble for his money every year while JD Drew, Carl Crawford, etc. collected much bigger checks on long-term contracts. Perfect prank, really.

    • Craig Calcaterra - Aug 7, 2013 at 9:03 AM

      Jack, I am amazed at how zero-tolerance you are for all PED cheaters that don’t happen to play for your rooting interest.

      • The Common Man - Aug 7, 2013 at 10:39 AM

        Jack’s an ethicist, so I’m sure he can walk you through the finer points of his hypocrisy.

    • imnotyourbuddyguy - Aug 7, 2013 at 9:25 AM

      Nice one Jack

    • krispc - Aug 7, 2013 at 12:39 PM

      1) If PEDs got him that body he needs his money back.
      2) Ortiz has always been big and his head didn’t grow 8 sizes like a certain somebody from the San Francisco.
      3) He isn’t a jerk.

  2. mattjg - Aug 7, 2013 at 8:32 AM

    1) Ortiz doesn’t play in New York and make A-Rod money.

    2) Ortiz was never a threat to break the all-time home run record.

    3) Ortiz’s personality isn’t as prickly as A-Rod’s.

    4) There is no evidence that Ortiz has used since or that he attempted to stonewall an investigation.

    What’s that? You didn’t want an answer, just an excuse to be outraged by the A-Rod outrage? I apologize, carry on then.

    • tartan1 - Aug 7, 2013 at 8:58 AM

      1) Nobody makes ARod money. Only the highest paid player is subject to scorn? Only at Yankees can we spew our vitriol?

      2) Neither was Clemens. Why the all-time home run record? Why not, most hits? Or most consecutive games played? Or most strikeouts?

      3) Personality contest? “Vote Papi for senior class president.” Grow up.

      4) Because a sports league hasn’t drummed up evidence, coerced witnesses and flat out lied recently?
      Exhibit A: [link][/link]

      • mattjg - Aug 7, 2013 at 9:04 AM

        1) I didn’t say this was right. I only said it’s why people target A-Rod.

        2) The home run record is regarded as one of the most sacred records in professional sports (again, I’m not saying this is right, but that’s how it is).

        3) Papi isn’t in school anymore. He can’t run for senior class president.

        4) Yes, probably everything ever is a conspiracy (and even if this is a big MLB conspiracy, people believe it, and that’s what matters as to why people lob so much hate at A-Rod).

      • heyblueyoustink - Aug 7, 2013 at 9:07 AM

        3) And to the
        4) Snoop Doggy Dog and Dr. Dre are at your door.

        ( Sorry, looked like too much fun to pass up on )

      • tfbuckfutter - Aug 7, 2013 at 9:23 AM

        That was capital s so fresh n double o p.

      • commonsenseisnotcmonman - Aug 7, 2013 at 9:27 AM

        I thought told you I’m just like a clock when I tick and I tock (blue started it!)

      • cur68 - Aug 7, 2013 at 10:16 AM

        What are you young people saying? I don’t understand the words. In my day people sang properly, like Andy Williams. Moon River is a proper song. Not this rap crap. And get off my lawn.

      • nbjays - Aug 7, 2013 at 10:37 AM

        Careful, Cur, you are showing your age (which is less than mine).

        And Paul Anka > Andy Williams. :-)

      • heyblueyoustink - Aug 7, 2013 at 10:39 AM

        Sorry Cur, but,

        My style is unbreakable, shatterproof,

        To the young youth, ya wanna get gun? Shoot.

    • apkyletexas - Aug 7, 2013 at 10:23 AM

      1) Ortiz didn’t date Cameron Diaz (that we know of)
      2) Ortiz didn’t dump Cameron Diaz (that we know of)
      3) Ortiz didn’t kiss a mirror (that we know of)
      4) Ortiz didn’t play for the Evil Yankees (yet)

      • indaburg - Aug 7, 2013 at 11:31 AM

        Ortiz also hasn’t…

        Dated Madonna
        Dated female bodybuilders
        Yelled “I got it” when an opposing player was attempting to catch a ball , thereby causing the player to not catch it
        Slapped a ball out of an opposing players hand
        Run across a pitcher’s mound
        Painted a picture of himself as a centaur
        Posed for this picture (to be fair, this is a rare Jeter mistep as well. Could you imagine Puig and Myers posing for a similar pic today?)

        H to the izz-O, V to the izz-A


      • hockeyflow33 - Aug 7, 2013 at 1:22 PM

        3a) Self portrait as a centaur

      • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Aug 7, 2013 at 2:55 PM

        “Yelled “I got it” when an opposing player was attempting to catch a ball , thereby causing the player to not catch it”

        In all fairness, Ortiz has no idea how all that stuff with leather mittens and standing on the grass is supposed to work. But really, that “I got it” or “Ha” or whatever is not half as bush league as a hidden ball trick or any of the other junk players do.

      • Kevin S. - Aug 7, 2013 at 2:55 PM

        Are their actually people who think the mound incident was anything other than Braden being a gigantic tool?

    • stlouis1baseball - Aug 7, 2013 at 10:43 AM

      Matt…your logic is only making things difficult. Knock it off!

  3. chiadam - Aug 7, 2013 at 8:36 AM

    Probably because he took PEDs in 2003. That’s my guess.

  4. stoutfiles - Aug 7, 2013 at 8:37 AM

    “But ask yourself why Ortiz — along with Andy Pettitte and many others who have had PED associations — don’t get one-tenth the crap thrown on them that Alex Rodriguez does.”

    Do we really need to ask that question? It’s obvious to anyone with a brain why overpaid, multi-cheating a-holes are not liked, and fan-friendly clutch players are forgiven.

    • stoutfiles - Aug 7, 2013 at 8:41 AM

      I don’t even know why I respond to Calcaterra’s articles. He continues to play devil’s advocate, and all it does it anger me.

      I don’t even care for Ortiz and this article is stirring up crap for no reason other than to drum up page views.

      • nbjays - Aug 7, 2013 at 8:46 AM

        Or he might be just trying to encourage discussion, which is what a baseball blog should do.

        But don’t let logic sway you from your outrage.

      • indaburg - Aug 7, 2013 at 11:33 AM

        Stoutfiles, I have it on good authority that Craig does this to piss you off personally.

      • stoutfiles - Aug 7, 2013 at 2:28 PM

        I knew it!

  5. trollingforjustice - Aug 7, 2013 at 8:38 AM

    I might be wrong but what i see coming from all this is eventually players will get clean and numbers will come down as the playing field levels. Players salaries wont get so astronomical since the playing field will become somewhat leveled. in turn ticket prices will get more affordable for the fans. it’s a win- win situation for everyone

    • paperlions - Aug 7, 2013 at 8:43 AM

      Ha, that’s cute. Ticket prices coming down. That will only happen when people stop going to games. Ticket prices do not drive player salaries, the market drives ticket prices, which may contribute slightly to player salaries (TV revenue contributes far more to player salaries). Even if players stopped taking PEDs, the level playing field you envision would never result in there not being star players as some guys are just always going to be better than everyone else.

    • thinkfirstthenspeak - Aug 7, 2013 at 8:45 AM

      You’re dreaming if you think ticket prices will ever go down.

    • mattjg - Aug 7, 2013 at 8:47 AM

      Can’t we dispel this myth? Ticket prices, like almost all other prices, are set by supply and demand. Look at leagues like the NFL, NBA and NHL that have salary caps. Are ticket prices in those leagues any lower? Of course not. The only difference is that the owners pocket extra money instead of paying it to the players on the field. Even if every player made $20,000 per year, owners would keep charging what they do now for tickets as long as fans would pay. Really, the only way that eliminating PED’s would drive down ticket prices is if fans decided that maybe baseball isn’t as exciting without the juiced players and decided to stay away from games thus reducing demand for tickets.

      • chiadam - Aug 7, 2013 at 8:58 AM

        Ticket prices are NOT set by supply and demand. If they were, ticket prices would go down because most park are at about 70% capacity most nights. Tickets to every park in MLB are not scarce goods. They’re easy to come by. Owners charge as much as they think they possibly can.

      • mattjg - Aug 7, 2013 at 9:09 AM

        Tickets are by definition scarce goods. There are only about 40,000 tickets available for any given game.

        The idea of supply and demand does not dictate that prices be set at the highest point they can while still selling all the tickets. It dictates that ticket prices be set to maximize the revenue for the owners. In other words it dictates, as you said, that owners charge as much as they possibly can.

        The owners in Pittsburgh, to pick a random team, could sell their outfield bleacher seats for $3 and have those filled every night. They’ll make more money, however, if they sell those for $10 and have them 60% filled. For a variety of reasons, both PR and cost-related, teams set the prices for most tickets before a season starts so you don’t get a true market like you do on a site like Stub Hub, but that doesn’t mean supply and demand don’t dictate the prices teams charge for tickets.

      • chiadam - Aug 7, 2013 at 9:22 AM

        They’re only scarce if people want them. The quantity does not matter. Are Marlins tickets scarce? After-market channels might use supply and demand, but direct sales from teams do not. When supply equals demand, then you have supply and demand. Teams price way over demand, which is obvious since no one ever sells out anymore.

      • Kevin S. - Aug 7, 2013 at 9:33 AM

        Actually, if I’m not mistaken the NFL and the NBA pay out a larger percentage of their revenue to the players than MLB does, because their salary caps come with salary floors and players are guaranteed a certain percentage of revenue. Baseball uses a different system because owners have a very different cost structure, but a salary cap only costs players money on the whole if the PA doesn’t negotiate a sufficient guaranteed slice of the pie.

    • 18thstreet - Aug 7, 2013 at 9:07 AM

      Ticket prices have no relationship to player salaries. College athletes aren’t paid, and never have been. Are the ticket prices unchanged?

      • paperlions - Aug 7, 2013 at 9:48 AM

        You, sir, are an awesome parent.

      • jwbiii - Aug 7, 2013 at 10:12 AM

        College athlete are paid, just not very much. A full ride scholarship at Notre Dame, for example, is worth $59k per year. The Chicago Bears pay their players, on average, about $1.9M. Both play in similarly sized venues. Guess which has lower ticket prices.

      • stlouis1baseball - Aug 7, 2013 at 10:44 AM

        Yes…yes you are an awesome parent.

      • 18thstreet - Aug 7, 2013 at 11:22 AM

        A scholarship — full or partial — has no value whatsoever if the student does not graduate.

      • stlouis1baseball - Aug 7, 2013 at 11:45 AM

        “A scholarship — full or partial — has no value whatsoever if the student does not graduate.”

        I agree. That’s why it’s important they graduate.

      • 18thstreet - Aug 7, 2013 at 11:48 AM

        But the universities they attend prioritize their athletics, not their academics. If they gave a damn about graduation, they’d end weekday games (which make classroom attendance literally impossible). We’re pretty far removed from the topic of this thread, so I’ll drop it. But I think it’s obvious that the colleges don’t care a whit whether their athletes graduate or not.

      • stlouis1baseball - Aug 7, 2013 at 12:00 PM

        “But the universities they attend prioritize their athletics, not their academics.”

        Please know I agree with your overall point. At least your point as I am understanding it.
        But the athletes…er…”students” also have some culpability in this. Specifically, they must take advantage of the tutors, free time, weekends AND summer. It’s tough…especially your point with regards to weekday games. Further, some schools/students do very much prioritize their academics.

        Victor Olidipo graduated in three years.
        Cody Zeller was on track to graduate this January. Which would be 2 1/2 years!

      • 18thstreet - Aug 7, 2013 at 12:44 PM

        Holy crap. We agree with each other?

        Kumbaya, StLouisBaseball1. Kumbaya.

      • stlouis1baseball - Aug 7, 2013 at 1:12 PM

        Lol! Yeah…I know it’s hard to believe. And I am sure it was as hard (or harder) for you. Personally, I am wore out. I am thinking I need to go home and take a nap.

  6. southofheaven81 - Aug 7, 2013 at 8:45 AM

    I’m completely in favor of ballplayers juicing, it makes the game more fun. And if Ortiz isn’t on PEDs right now, I’m the royal fucking baby.

  7. dlf9 - Aug 7, 2013 at 9:06 AM

    The baseline testing in 2003 was supposed to be a multi-tiered process. The tests supposedly were not sufficiently precise to distinguish between legal supplements (think GNC) and illegal steroids. If a player tested positive in the first round, they were told to stop any over-the-counter supplement and would be retested 10-14 days later. The person who revealed Ortiz’s name to the NYT has said he didn’t know what Ortiz tested positive for. The Union strongly came out and said that some of the names on the list were inaccurate and that the list contained many more names than had fully (i.e. after second round) tested positive. As such, I give Ortiz the benefit of the doubt.

    That being said, it would be naive to think that any player active between ~1985 and today definitely wasn’t using. Instead, I just prefer to presume innocence until there is compelling evidence of guilt.

    • Kevin S. - Aug 7, 2013 at 9:36 AM

      Yes, this and the fact that I refuse to give any credence to the government’s wanton violation of the Fourth Amendment. But that means that all players who were leaked off the 2003 list should have gotten the Ortiz treatment, not just Ortiz.

  8. dirtyharry1971 - Aug 7, 2013 at 9:10 AM

    All anyone ever had to do is look at his whole career and see what he did with the twins. People forget the twins released this guy and they had him for a while and he wasn’t a young player when he got released. Then all of the sudden he found those shakes and the rest is history

    • paperlions - Aug 7, 2013 at 9:50 AM

      Yes, this is a fantastic argument. Every player that struggled for a while could only possibly become good by juicing.

    • The Common Man - Aug 7, 2013 at 10:28 AM

      Oh gosh is this dumb. I wouldn’t respond except to correct the historical record. The Twins didn’t release Ortiz; they non-tendered him, choosing instead to pay Doug Mientkiewicz and Matthew Lecroy. At the time, the concern was not that Ortiz wouldn’t hit, it was that he was A) a bad defender, B) hit lefty like most of the Twins’ hitters, and C) was injury prone.

      Obviously, this was a huge miscalculation, but he didn’t struggle as a Twin. His OPS+ in his final year was 120, in spite of the fact that the Twins continued to push him to hit the ball the other way, instead of pulling it, because they were the Twins and were idiots like that. Also, in point of fact, I saw him hit a home run an at bat AFTER he had broken his wrist in 2001 in Kansas City. He always had power and that was always clear.

      • thinkfirstthenspeak - Aug 7, 2013 at 11:17 AM

        Go back and look at some news archives: Ortiz was released, not non-tendered, in order for the Twins to clear a 40 man roster spot for Rule 5 selection Jose Morban.

        That has to be one of the most depressing events in the history of the Twins.

      • sportsfan18 - Aug 7, 2013 at 12:00 PM

        The Common Man

        I don’t have a dog in this fight as I’m not an Ortiz fan, a Red Sox fan or a Twins fan.

        I do like the truth however. You say Ortiz has always had power and cite an HR he hit after breaking his wrist.

        Well, looking at his stats, his total at bats with the Twins and the total HR’s he hit as a Twin, guess what? He hit a home run every 25.47 at bats during his time with the Twins.

        During his time with the Red Sox, Ortiz has hit a home run every 14.88 at bats…

        So, he may have always had power as you said, but he sure wasn’t hit HR’s at such a high rate.

        Oh, his slugging percentage while with the Twins was in the .400 hundreds and he only reached exactly .500% in his last yr with the Twins.

        His first yr with the Red Sox, his slugging percentage was .592% and then over .600% for the next 4 consecutive yrs.

        His slugging percentage has been over .500% each season with the Red Sox except for one yr only.

        So while always having power as you say he did, he just didn’t use or show that power until he became a member of the Red Sox…

      • The Common Man - Aug 7, 2013 at 12:24 PM

        I love stats too, but context matters. And the context is that during Ortiz’s career with the Twins, he broke his wrist twice, which saps power. Moreover, the Twins were incredibly consistent during this era (and most other eras, unfortunately) at encouraging hitters to take the ball the other way, rather than try to pull it for power. Ortiz is not the only hitter on record on this. Keep in mind that the Twins kept him at AAA for almost an entire season in 1999 because they wanted him to rework his swing and because they wanted to play Doug Mientkiewicz instead, in large part because he employed the hitting style they appreciated and because of his defense. If your opportunity to play in the Majors hinged on your cutting down on your natural power and hitting more singles, you would do it too.

    • nbjays - Aug 7, 2013 at 10:41 AM

      TCM, when has harry ever let facts stand in the way of dispensing his vast baseball knowledge to the unwashed masses? He’s actually not an intelligent baseball fan, he just plays one on HBT.

    • cur68 - Aug 7, 2013 at 10:51 AM

      Are you ALWAYS wrong or do just do it on HBT? I won’t reiterate what anyone else has said, but I want to go on record to say that being non-tendered by the Twins back then is like the scene where Andy Dufresne crawls out of The Shawshank Prison sewer and is washed clean by rain. Its not a fault of Dufresne’s the prison couldn’t or wouldn’t keep him in.

  9. icanspeel - Aug 7, 2013 at 9:22 AM

    A-Rod has a far longer (public) history of PED’s than Ortiz and Pettite. If it stopped back then and none of the Biogenesis stuff happened we probably wouldn’t even be talking about it right now.

    • Kevin S. - Aug 7, 2013 at 9:38 AM

      Right, because A-Rod was treated exactly the same way Pettitte and Ortiz were before BioGenesis. Oh, wait.

      • 18thstreet - Aug 7, 2013 at 11:37 AM

        Being the highest paid player in baseball will always make you a target for ire. I mean, duh.

  10. jfk69 - Aug 7, 2013 at 9:26 AM

    When you bat in lineup near Manny who knows what you will catch. Lets call it a contact high

  11. jfk69 - Aug 7, 2013 at 9:31 AM

    Regarding ticket prices going down…lol
    You would need competition from another baseball league and or an appreciable decline in TV/cable monies paid.
    I did lower the bleacher seats by two bucks…Step right up.

  12. anotheryx - Aug 7, 2013 at 9:33 AM

    Craig is like the ex-girlfriend who keeps going
    “Why are you so angry?”
    “I’m not angry, honey.”
    “Why are you so angry all the time”
    “I’m not angry.”
    “But you you are always so angry”
    “See, you are angry!”

  13. Francisco (FC) - Aug 7, 2013 at 9:36 AM

    And no, this is not a call to throw crap on Ortiz and Pettitte.

    Awww. [disappointed, putting the down the poo bucket with the spoon].

    • baseballici0us - Aug 7, 2013 at 10:03 AM

      Actually, “And no, this is not a call to throw crap on Ortiz and Pettitte” is Craig-code for “ready, aim, FIRE!”

  14. bbk1000 - Aug 7, 2013 at 9:37 AM

    Hmmm, why would Ortiz test positive for PED’s. Let’s think about that for a minute, why would he test positive…..why….geez, I honestly don’t know.

    Let’s look at his career stats…a more cynical person would see a line drawn in his career between 2002 and 2003….but I still don’t understand why he would test positive.

    Perhaps his sample was stored in a cooler in some basement for a day or two…

  15. makeham98 - Aug 7, 2013 at 9:48 AM

    I can’t stand ARod. But however his name was leaked from the supposedly confidential list is an absolute disgrace and breach of trust. I can’t stand Clemens either, but he fought his accusers in open court and prevailed.

    I’d lime to see MLB cleaned up, but like the Bonds persecution, this has deteriorated into personal vendettas with the targets being unlikeable players.

    And Mark McGwire, one of the worst liars of all, has a job in MLB. As does his mentor, the godfather of steroids.

    • nbjays - Aug 7, 2013 at 10:44 AM

      In your outrage, don’t forget that the original Ryan Braun failed test leak was also a breach of MLB’s confidentiality rules. Just sayin’…

    • raysfan1 - Aug 7, 2013 at 12:54 PM

      Regardless of what wrong things McGwire did during his career, and there were plenty, lying does not appear to me to be one of them.

      He was known to have used androstenedione in 1998; a reporter mentioned seeing it in his locker. It was a legal “supplement” back then but is in fact a biologically active steroid.

      He was outed by Canseco for using injectable steroids. While other players threatened law suits, etc, McGwire was noticeably silent. Silence is not lying.

      He awkwardly pled the 5th before the Congressional committee with his “I’m not here to speak of the past” line. That is not lying either, and was probably wise based on how dogged the legal pursuit of Bonds and Clemens became.

      Someone is going to have to show me where he ever denied using PEDs before I will call him a liar. (Note also, claiming he still could have hit as many homers without steroids may be delusional, but that isn’t lying either.)

  16. rickdobrydney - Aug 7, 2013 at 10:05 AM

    Eventually it will come out positively that Ortiz has juiced for YEARS. All you have to do is view that PED-induced rage in the dugout with the bat. Pedroia is lucky he didn’t smash HIS head off. If that weren’t a clear indictment of this whiny clown, then I dont know what is. Besides his inflated numbers for a guy very nearly cut a couple years ago. Big Papi indeed.

  17. Tick - Aug 7, 2013 at 10:48 AM

    You do realize that even Bonds and Clemens are more liked and have more defender than ARod, right?

  18. Tick - Aug 7, 2013 at 10:49 AM

    You do realize that even Bonds and Clemens are more liked and have more defenders than ARod, right?

  19. yahmule - Aug 7, 2013 at 11:14 AM

    Ortiz was also shocked to discover overeating makes you fat.

  20. mpops86 - Aug 7, 2013 at 11:25 AM

    Ortiz is one of the game’s most beloved figures. He only takes himself seriously when he’s being hard on himself or others for not doing their jobs (umps, MLBPA, etc.) but other than that he’s exactly what fans want their ball players to be. He keeps the casual fan’s dream of baseball playing deities alive, he’s a larger than life personality, and above all he’s humble.

    There’s also much, much, much less evidence on Ortiz than A-Rod or even Pettitte. His name was rumored to be on a private list that was never supposed to go public that tested players who were taking drugs that didn’t necessarily end up on the banned substances lost.

  21. barrywhererufrom - Aug 7, 2013 at 11:29 AM

    Ortiz is not vilified for his positive test..he was on the list from the and he plays the i.dont know bs..he is a cheater..he is lucky the media likes him..otherwise he another villian

    • 18thstreet - Aug 7, 2013 at 11:52 AM

      He also has a fan base that loves him. Clemens and A-Rod do not.

      Me, I don’t think sports needs individualized villains to be enjoyable. Rooting against teams like the Yankees, Duke basketball, and the Dallas Cowboys is plenty fun without needed an enemy on every team.

  22. barrywhererufrom - Aug 7, 2013 at 11:59 AM

    18th,st i think that is my role on this blog

  23. bmoreravens1012013 - Aug 7, 2013 at 12:03 PM

    Give me a break. Everyone with a conscience knows he was dirty and still is imo. I have very little respect for him and the other lying CHEATERS! He is so phony, from his petulant antics(blowing up a phone with a bat mind you that could have injured his teammates and I could go on and on) to his constant arrogance. His reputation is still damaged in the hearts of most so that was delusional for him to even utter that nonsense. Dude is a joke and the media gives him a pass because they ate infested with red sox apologists and fans. Do your damn job for once so baseball doesn’t have to eventually be behind Hockey . #whatajoke#

  24. wouldabeenthere - Aug 7, 2013 at 1:05 PM

    In a quick few years PED’s will be an integral, overt, fairly regulated component of all sports and the only real “issue” will be preventing middle school kids from gaining access to them.

  25. makeham98 - Aug 7, 2013 at 2:31 PM

    McGwire’s lovers continue to live in a fantasy world, parsing his lies and evasion with the delusion that he “saved baseball”. Mr.Integrity.

    And he never took the 5th. He just tried to help the kids by witholding the truth. What a great man.

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