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Michael Young clears waivers, can now be traded

Aug 8, 2013, 11:03 AM EDT

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UPDATE: Oops, as soon as he clears waivers he’s scratched with a bum hamstring.

11:03 AMKen Rosenthal reports that Michael Young has passed through waivers and is now eligible to be traded to any major league team. Well, not any team. He still has his no-trade clause fully intact, so he’s in the same position he was before the trade deadline.

At the time he was reportedly willing to waive his no-trade rights to go to Texas, New York and Boston. It’s not at all clear that the Yankees would be interested anymore now that A-Rod is back. Boston might want him for depth. Texas might want him for leadership. I dunno.  Seems like a long shot that he’d actually get traded. And if he is, it’s hard to see him bringing much if any value back Philly’s way.

  1. geoknows - Aug 8, 2013 at 11:11 AM

    Michael Young does not have a full no-trade clause, but it’s close. He can block trades to 21 teams. The Phillies can trade him to any of the other eight teams without his permission at any time.

    • scotttheskeptic - Aug 8, 2013 at 11:48 AM

      He retained his full no-trade as a condition of agreeing to trade to Philadelphia.

  2. paperlions - Aug 8, 2013 at 11:12 AM

    I admit, I am surprised that no one at all claimed him…they must have been worried that Philly would just let them have him…which would be odd considering Amaro’s history of valuation.

    • DelawarePhilliesFan - Aug 8, 2013 at 11:17 AM

      I am sure the Phillies would have let a claiming team have him – they are committed at this point to looking at Cody Asche at 3rd, and have plenty of guys that can play First (where Young is now), not to mention, Howard will be back at some point. Young will be riding the pine a good deal in September. To save the $2 Mil would be a no brainer.

      I would take whatever they can get at this point – 2015 4th rounder. I also would not have waited until it got to this point

      • paperlions - Aug 8, 2013 at 11:27 AM

        That is the weird thing though…for the Phillies, today isn’t much different than a week ago, so why wasn’t he dealt then if teams were interested…just weird…and you bring up a good point, deals would probably be easier to do if MLB would allow trading of future picks, which is still limited to competitive balance picks, for now.

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Aug 8, 2013 at 11:30 AM

        Well, I can think of one team whose 3rd basemen needs changed dramatically in the last week….so….good timing, Amaro!

      • scotttheskeptic - Aug 8, 2013 at 11:59 AM

        I have previously referred to Amaro as an arrogant ass. This season is merely proving him to be a buffoon.

    • Francisco (FC) - Aug 8, 2013 at 11:30 AM

      I guess this is as close as you’ll ever come to admitting you’re wrong about something. Now you see why Ruben didn’t pull the trigger on that AA wanker the Yankees tried to foist on the Phillies. The man is not a good GM but he has his moments.

      • paperlions - Aug 8, 2013 at 11:36 AM

        I admit I’m wrong all the time, you just don’t care, apparently about those times.

        …still not sure how this is a good moment for Amaro. What do you expect him to get for Young now? If the answer is nothing, that is not better than something.

      • Francisco (FC) - Aug 8, 2013 at 11:50 AM

        I’m biased but feel free to point out examples “about those times”, I’ll adjust my attitude accordingly. For example, above you say “I’m admit I’m surprised”, not “I admit I was wrong about Michael Young clearing waivers”, which you stated wouldn’t happen, that other teams would claim first and the Phillies would be stuck dealing only with a claiming team. You go out of your way to phrase things so they don’t SOUND like you’re saying you’re wrong. But again, correct me by pointing out those instances I don’t care about. I’ll happily say I’m wrong and have treated you unfairly, it’s possible I simply have missed those posts you talk about. OR simply ignore me, you don’t HAVE to answer me, you can tune me out if you wish.

        At the time of the proposed trade, the something being offered for Young was detrimental to the organization. The prospect was a AA pitcher with 6.0/BB9 rate. By adding him the Phillies would have had to dump or demote another AA pitcher. That would likely have made the organization worse not better. So that’s not a trade worth making.

        Of course it is also possible the Phillies will end up with nothing, but that’s better than making your organization worse, which Ruben has already done in spades, no need to pile on.

      • paperlions - Aug 8, 2013 at 11:54 AM

        Sorry if I have to shout so you can hear me, what with you all the way up on that high horse of yours, considering all the times you must type “I was wrong”.

        I was wrong about Young clearing waivers. Happy. Jesus fucking christ, pull the stick out of your ass.

        ….and getting nothing for Young DOES make the organization worse. Because he 2 months he leaves and they will have nothing to show for the fact that they had him. He’s roughly a replacement level player. Having him won’t lead to more wins…and even if it did, those wins won’t matter.

      • Francisco (FC) - Aug 8, 2013 at 12:07 PM

        Hey, I’ll do so right now. I was wrong to treat you unfairly, I’ll never mention it again.

        The way I see it, Ruben bungled by not making trades in late June when he could have extracted value. At this point he’ll be stuck at making unfavorable trades, when the Yankees came calling with an unattractive prospect Amaro had crossed the Rubicon and was no longer in a position of strength. In any case in the grand scheme of things the Youngs are small potatoes, it’s the Howard extension and Papelbon signing that are the real drags (and to some extent the failed Mike Adams experiment).

      • scotttheskeptic - Aug 8, 2013 at 12:16 PM

        Amaro refused to accept that the roster he built was not a contender, until the evidence hit him like a shaving cream pie to the face. By that time, he had all of 2 days to lay the groundwork with all parties to facilitate any reasonable deals.

      • Francisco (FC) - Aug 8, 2013 at 12:23 PM

        Yes I agree with that, though I’m one of the few who clung to the possibility of a second half surge as late as just prior to the all-star break. I was wrong about that and when Revere went down I thought “SELL, SELL, SELL”. But of course it was way too late for that.

      • scotttheskeptic - Aug 8, 2013 at 12:38 PM


        I am curious what you saw as the one piece needed before the Revere injury? And this is not being asked with any sarcasm, as I am trying to determine if my own skepticism clouded my judgment.


      • Francisco (FC) - Aug 8, 2013 at 1:47 PM

        Let’s see, at the time, before the Revere injury the bullpen was the most critical, if you can call that “one piece”. If I were restricted to saying just one player, then I would say a good RHP to go along with Bastardo and Papelbon, and the smarter use of the remaining pieces (for example, Diekman should be strictly a LOOGY) and that might have been enough duct tape for a second wild card.

        To be quite honest the whole thing was mostly wishful thinking, I think your skepticism was warranted.

      • yahmule - Aug 8, 2013 at 5:00 PM

        I’m glad I stuck through this thread long enough to see Ruben Amaro tangentially compared to Julius Caesar.

    • historiophiliac - Aug 8, 2013 at 5:01 PM

      Today at lunch I had a hamburger with mustard and ketchup, and just for you, I put ketchup on my fries too. I was yummy. I know you’re jealous.

      • paperlions - Aug 8, 2013 at 5:21 PM

        I hope you enjoyed it thoroughly….after a week of salads and yogurt and granola for lunch, I went to a sushi buffet and ate until I hurt…no ketchup though.

      • historiophiliac - Aug 8, 2013 at 5:22 PM

        Well, that wasn’t the reaction I was going for.

      • paperlions - Aug 8, 2013 at 5:25 PM

        After gorging on sushi, you can’t help but have a rather relaxed disposition….it’s a food-induced zen-like state

      • historiophiliac - Aug 8, 2013 at 5:27 PM

        Not a big fan. I had to fortify myself for a fight, so no zen food for me. We’re having a bit of a showdown at the City Council meeting tonight. I may be crabby tomorrow, fyi.

      • paperlions - Aug 8, 2013 at 5:30 PM

        Good luck, sounds like you are in for a necessary, but likely unsatisfying evening. City Council’s….a natural attractant for those that love to tell others what to do but lack the ambition or knowledge to actually have anything ideas worth implementing

      • historiophiliac - Aug 8, 2013 at 5:34 PM

        We are trying to get them to rename a street, which is currently named for a city founder and KKK member who participated in the race riot. They have put lots of revitalization dollars in redoing the district and resist changing the name.

      • paperlions - Aug 8, 2013 at 5:35 PM

        Well, that is just embarrassing….who is “resisting”, descendants?

      • historiophiliac - Aug 8, 2013 at 5:38 PM

        The business owners who don’t want to pay to rename the district (signage, etc) and white people who want to continue to sweep the whole thing under the rug (as they have for almost 100 years).

      • paperlions - Aug 8, 2013 at 5:43 PM

        Must be a damned big rug.

      • historiophiliac - Aug 8, 2013 at 5:50 PM

        There was talk of a mass grave of bodies from the riot (as if what we have evidence of so far isn’t bad enough). A few years back, an archaeological team contacted the City about doing a dig on the suspected spot to see if anything really was there. Of course, the City denied the permit.

        They think history just goes away. You see how that’s worked out for us so far.

      • paperlions - Aug 8, 2013 at 6:08 PM

        When I was doing land survey work in west Texas, the guy I worked for grew up there and knew a lot of the local history. We were in La Mesa (I think), on the town square, and you points up and says, “You see that blue building over there? See how the facade has that added piece on the front? That’s because that is where the KKK office in town used to be and you can still see the outline of the letters on the bricks.”

        He also pointed out the old “Black school” that was about the size of a large shed that was outside of town, don’t remember which town, but it wasn’t La Mesa, Brownfield, maybe. When he was a kid, black kids, of which there were few, all went to their own school….which seems like ancient history to us, to him….not so much. Funny that they just left the old building stand, it wasn’t being used for anything, just getting old and surrounded by weeds.

      • historiophiliac - Aug 9, 2013 at 12:52 AM

        Well, that was heartbreaking. The City continues to be the City. Tragically, three of the four councilors who voted against the change were the women on the Council. One of them cried and apologized. I guess that’s supposed to make you feel better because she knows what she’s doing is wrong.

      • paperlions - Aug 9, 2013 at 7:26 AM

        Well, that is disappointing, not surprising of course, but disappointing. Considering the horrible things politicians at all levels do and claim in the name of power and profit, there really isn’t anything they could do that would surprise me at this point…they can piss me off, but I’m never really surprised anymore…it is just too bad they won’t be around in 50 yrs to see the results of their handiwork…of course, the grandchildren might be….but then, they might not.

  3. turdfurgerson68 - Aug 8, 2013 at 11:21 AM

    So long as Boston doesn’t trade for him, unless its solely for ‘cash considerations’

  4. pjm1120 - Aug 8, 2013 at 11:40 AM

    So why is there a trade deadline?

    • dan1111 - Aug 9, 2013 at 9:09 AM

      So the teams going to the playoffs can’t just load up on all of the good impending-free-agent players at the end of the season.

  5. artisan3m - Aug 8, 2013 at 11:49 AM

    I doubt the Rangers are interested now unless Young is a bargain basement acquisition. He still has all the tools but Michael will be 37 next season. He wasn’t happy at 1st and didn’t want to be just a DH when he was with Texas. He can’t outshine Beltre, Andrus, Kinsler, or Profar defensively and after the Berkman fiasco, I doubt Daniels will pay much for just a stick. All that said, I’d like to see him back in Arlington because he still has value and is a helluva leader. Don’t think it will happen, though.

  6. deepstblu - Aug 8, 2013 at 12:07 PM

    “It’s not at all clear that the Yankees would be interested anymore now that” they’re 11 1/2 out in the division, seven back with four teams to pass in the wild card, and one game over .500. Fixed that for you.

  7. scotttheskeptic - Aug 8, 2013 at 12:13 PM

    One of the Young’s is next to be DFAd outta Philly, as soon as a 40-man roster spot is needed.

  8. jfk69 - Aug 8, 2013 at 12:21 PM

    He still wants to come to the Yankees???
    I don’t want him. I think he crazy. No wonder Philly are letting him go

    • Francisco (FC) - Aug 8, 2013 at 12:26 PM

      You have to admit, it would have been fun to see Young traded on July 31st and then see A-Rod come back the following week.

  9. delsj - Aug 8, 2013 at 2:29 PM

    I am no fan of Ruben Amaro in the least, but this is probably the best scenario for the Michael Young saga. Ideally, the Phils would have moved him for a prospect at the deadline. There was no market to get that then, and clearly there is not one now either. However, teams knew that the Phils will not give Young away just to shed payroll so they didn’t bother claiming him. As a result, the Phils have 23 more days to shop him. Realistically the climate probably won’t change considerably by 8/31, but one injury is all it takes for a contender to consider parting with a mid-range A or AA prospect with some upside (if Ruben is looking for more than that – I defer to my first 10 words).

    If the Phils want to save some money, they should DFA Delmon Young immediately before he hits the next escalator in his incentive laden contract which is costing the Phils way more than we were led to believe.

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