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Is Ron Gardenhire safe in Minnesota?

Aug 9, 2013, 9:14 AM EST

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The Twins have had two managers in 27 years and have shown a willingness to stick with their boss whether times are good or times are bad. Could that be changing? Sid Hartman of the Star Tribune spoke to the Twins owner about Ron Gardenhire’s job security and wonders:

Meanwhile, Twins manager Ron Gardenhire is without a contract after this year. Pohlad said Gardenhire’s status will be evaluated after the season. Is there any reason he won’t be back?

“Well, that’s Terry’s decision, but he’ll consult with all of us,” said Pohlad, who added that nothing has been decided.

It was interesting that Pohlad made it clear Ryan will be around in the future but refused to say the same about Gardenhire.

My thoughts about managers don’t change depending on what team it is: if management has confidence in the guy and he hasn’t lost the clubhouse there is little to think that he’s the biggest problem as opposed to the talent level. So, no, I don’t think deciding against giving Ron Gardenhire a contract for next year would be a real difference maker. But you do have to think that a lot of people in Minnesota feel differently about that.

  1. Francisco (FC) - Aug 9, 2013 at 9:20 AM

    Is Ron Gardenhire safe in Minnesota?

    I was unaware that was Minnesota had such severe crime or health issues.

    • proudlycanadian - Aug 9, 2013 at 9:29 AM

      Residents of Minnesota have to be very aware of the dangers posed by mosquitos, blackflies, bears, moose and bird droppings. It can be very scary.

      • DJ MC - Aug 9, 2013 at 5:21 PM

        I don’t even want to know what happens when moose droppings land on your car.

    • nbjays - Aug 9, 2013 at 9:34 AM

      And the cold… never forget the cold.

    • mybrunoblog - Aug 9, 2013 at 10:49 AM

      Well Ron has put a lot of weight on since his playing days and none of us are getting any younger….

  2. unclemosesgreen - Aug 9, 2013 at 9:24 AM

    During the preseason Ryan told Gardy he wouldn’t be getting an extension and Gardy said he didn’t deserve one. That being said, this doesn’t feel like such a hot seat – injuries, underperformance of highly-paid players, lack of pitchers, these are all outside of a manager’s control and Ryan is cleaning up Bill Smith’s mess – which means he won’t feel like ‘his’ guys are underperforming due to managerial snafu.

  3. concussedmorneau - Aug 9, 2013 at 9:27 AM

    Can’t blame Gardy for the last few years. It’s hard to make a gourmet meal out of pop tarts and powdered milk.

    But, when the Twins were good under this regime, the team still couldn’t make it to the second round of the playoffs.

  4. Brandon Warne - Aug 9, 2013 at 9:30 AM

    Sid as a source for this kind of thing is pretty funny.

  5. chacochicken - Aug 9, 2013 at 9:31 AM

    Border crossing beavers, Scandinavian raiders, and the occasional wendigo.

    • unclemosesgreen - Aug 9, 2013 at 9:41 AM

      Bloods, Crips, Gangster Disciples, Vice Lords…

    • paperlions - Aug 9, 2013 at 12:31 PM

      +1 for the wendingo reference

  6. tigersfandan - Aug 9, 2013 at 9:32 AM

    From 1993 to 2000, the Twins had eight straight losing seasons under manager Tom Kelly and still didn’t fire him. Instead, Kelly left via retirement following a winning season in 2001.

  7. kander013 - Aug 9, 2013 at 9:51 AM

    Knowing the Twins and their track record, they’d want to bring someone in internally. Is Paul Molitor really going to be an improvement over Gardy? Like the others said, this isn’t his fault.

    Reusse pointed this out last week (and has for years)-they need to get a coach on the big league staff from Latin America who speaks Spanish. They’d never do it, but it would be great to have Ozzie as a bench coach or a 3rd base coach. He always loved the Twins and Minneapolis…

    • Bryz - Aug 9, 2013 at 10:32 AM

      Ozzie Guillen has a personality that’s a bit too strong for the Twins, unfortunately.

      • tigersfandan - Aug 9, 2013 at 10:51 AM

        The Twins and everyone else.

      • coachbrew - Aug 9, 2013 at 2:23 PM

        Anybody with ANY personality is a bit too strong for the Twins. Which is part of their problem.

    • Cris E - Aug 9, 2013 at 10:43 AM

      When they shook up Gardenhire’s staff last winter they added Bobby Cuellar as bullpen coach. It did three things at once: moved out old-timer Rick Stelmazek, added the Spanish speaker that was so overdue, and put a little heat on pitching coach Rick Anderson. (Cuellar had been pitching coach in Rochester and seen many of the youngsters that are breaking in these days.)

      Ozzie G is an abomination that would not play in MN.

      • kander013 - Aug 9, 2013 at 10:58 AM

        Speaking Spanish is one thing, being able to relate to a new country, new customs, the “been there before” idea is completely different. It’s great that Cuellar speaks Spanish-but he’s from Texas and (most likely) never had to go through the same adjustment process that Arcia, Sano, and Rosario have. Ozzie’s strong personality is the reason why he’d be great for the Twins-because he is different.

      • kirkmack - Aug 9, 2013 at 12:27 PM

        I’d also point out that despite adding Cuellar to the coaching staff, he’s not really helping with the Spanish speaking thing. The other day when Arcia had a big game and the media went to him with questions, his translator was Team Italy star Chris Colabello-

        http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/218294041.html

  8. twonis - Aug 9, 2013 at 10:03 AM

    I could see Gardy taking the fall. And I could also see why that would be ridiculous. You want to get rid of somebody? Get rid of Rick Anderson. How do you justify that the major problem year over year is pitching and stick with the same pitching coach?

    I’d hate to see Gardy go. He’s good for the franchise and I believe the players still believe in him. Don’t make him the goat. Fix the real problem.

  9. ashtongronholz8 - Aug 9, 2013 at 10:16 AM

    If anything our pitching staff should be the ones on the hot seat but I don’t believe it’s Anderson’s fault either. I like the idea of being one of those teams that sticks by their players/ coaches through thick and thin. Things will start to come around next year with our young players. Hold onto him

  10. sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Aug 9, 2013 at 10:18 AM

    Who is in charge of insisting power hitters slap the ball and strikeout pitchers “induce contact” in Minny? That is the person who needs to be fired. Sometimes it pays to be bold. Or at least, it seldom pays to NOT be bold.

    • Cris E - Aug 9, 2013 at 10:46 AM

      Looking for a single name isn’t likely to be fruitful, but if you were to hang this on anyone it would probably be Tom Kelly. He’s still with the organization and his influence runs deep. This is not something that a firing will change.

      On the other hand they seem to be changing their draft strategies and are looking for more power pitching and “ceiling” in prospects, so that’s encouraging.

  11. alldayvikes - Aug 9, 2013 at 10:22 AM

    I have always liked Gardy, but it may be time for a change to just get some new blood pumpin in the Twins organization. I say give Paul Molitor a shot. he’s been a special instructor in our minor league system for years, is familiar with all the players, would be a fan favorite, and the man just knows baseball. Very well respected as well. If we hired Molitor, i’d be fine letting Gardy go. However, anyone who thinks Gardy would have another managing job almost immediately is crazy.

    • alldayvikes - Aug 9, 2013 at 2:10 PM

      wouldn’t* have another managing job. sorry for the typo :)

  12. dlf9 - Aug 9, 2013 at 10:26 AM

    [i]Then you are in a better position decide what is most important to you, competitive integrity or financial revenues.[/i]

    There are a lot of skills necessary to be a good manager. The in-game decisions (bunt, steal, change pitchers) seem to me to be pretty minor. Of the good managers, I think there are very few who excel with broad ranges of types of teams. Some can build a starting rotation, but aren’t good with bullpen management. Some work well with young players, others are strong with veteran-laden teams. Some want a lot of interchangable parts, others work best with a set lineup. Some are strict task-masters, others are “players’ managers.” Some strongly mold a team to their personality, others are more chameleon-like.

    Historically, there have been very few managers (Joe McCarthy, John McGraw, Bobby Cox) who can fit anywhere on all of these axis depending on the needs of the team. Other excellent managers (LaRussa, Weaver, McKechnie, Durocher, Alston, etc.) have a lot of succes, but seem wedded to a more narrow way of doing things. Depending on where the club is in its lifecycle, a very good manager can be a very bad fit.

    I don’t know enough about the Twins to opine on Gardenhire, but I think that this describes Charlie Manuel’s present situation in Philly.

  13. stackers1 - Aug 9, 2013 at 12:54 PM

    I like Gardy too & don’t think he’s really the problem. But I think if the Twinkies brought in a guy like Tony Pena, he just might get more out of when they have.

  14. gunner1970 - Aug 9, 2013 at 3:11 PM

    This is the Twins MO… A majority of Tom Kelly’s contracts were waited out until the last minute.

    I wouldn’t put to much heat on Gardy for the Twins performance. The previous GM depleted the ranks of quality Pitchers and Field Players. Twins have to rebuild their Farm Teams before they can compete.

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